1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Already and this is the Daily This is the Daily OS. Oh, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: now it makes sense. Good morning and welcome to the 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Daily OS. It's Tuesday, the twenty ninth of April. I'm 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: Billy fitz Simon's. 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: I'm Zara Seidler. 6 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: Happy Election week, Zara. 7 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: Happy election week. Could we be back with you? 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: Very good to be back. We are now less than 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: a week. We're just a couple of days away from 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: the Australian federal election, when more than eighteen million Australians 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: that is how many of us are enrolled in this election, 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: are all due to go vote for who will form 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: the country's next government and who will be the next 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: Prime minister. Now, yesterday, Zara, we took the listeners through 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: the major parties, Labor and the Coalition, and on today's 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: episode we are going to be breaking down the minor 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: parties and independents. 18 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: I don't ever take our listeners for granted. That's a 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: good lesson in podcasting. So, say someone was busy yesterday morning, 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 2: didn't around to listening to the TDA podcast, Can you 21 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: really quickly just explain or recap the political landscape here 22 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 2: in Australia. 23 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so most seats in Parliament are filled by the 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: two major parties, like I just said, the Coalition which 25 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: is made up of the Liberal Party and the Nationals 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: and then also Labor. But then we also have minor 27 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: parties and Independence and they are increasingly popular in Australia. 28 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: And actually historical trends show that voters are more and 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: more putting minor parties and independents as their first preference. 30 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 2: And we also know that it's especially young people. So 31 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 2: we have seen a trend of more and more young 32 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: people turning away from the major parties and towards those 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: minor parties and independence. 34 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, and just to give you an idea of how 35 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: much we have seen this swing kind of away from 36 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: the major parties. So in nineteen forty nine, the Labor, 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: Liberal and National Party secured about ninety six percent of 38 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: the House of Reps first preference vote and then at 39 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: the twenty twin two election that was down to just 40 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: sixty eight percent. Fascinating, Yeah, of Australians who voted for 41 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: one of those three parties as their first preference. 42 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: It's so interesting. But you're right, it has been this 43 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: real long term downward trend away from the major parties. 44 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: So let's talk about where else some of these votes 45 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 2: are going. I want to start with minor parties, the 46 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 2: biggest of which is the Greens. 47 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: Yes, And just to go back a step and to 48 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: explain what minor parties technically are. They are just the 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: parties that have members elected to Parliament, but not enough 50 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: members to form government or opposition. And the most prominent, 51 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: like you just said, is the Greens. Now, at the 52 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two election, they recorded their best ever result, 53 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: going from one to four seats in the House of Representatives. 54 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: What's that like, a four hundred percent increase in your representation. 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: They do have a lot more members though in the 56 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: upper house in the Senate. Yes, so they traditionally haven't 57 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 2: had many seats in the lower house, but they have 58 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 2: got a fair few in the upper House. 59 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. And now, yesterday on the podcast, I explained the 60 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: political spectrum of the left and the right. Yeah, the 61 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: Greens are on the left of that political spectrum. So 62 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: they're considered quite a bit more left than Labor and 63 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: they are known for their socially progressive policies. Now, in 64 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: terms of policies they are taking to this election, they're 65 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: proposing to freeze rent, increases for two years, so that 66 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: means every single person who's paying rent across Australia wouldn't 67 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: see an increase in their rent over the next two years. 68 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: They are also wanting to stop all new coal and 69 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: gas projects, and they're also proposing to wipe all student 70 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: debts and to make university and tay free for all 71 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: students in Australia. 72 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: Those are some fairly wide ranging and diverse policy perspectives 73 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: that the Greens are putting forward. And because they're a 74 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: minor party, they're not the government, they're not the opposition, 75 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: they do have less capacity to pass those bills through Parliament, 76 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: but there are certain situations where those policies become more 77 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 2: significant than they otherwise would have, and that's when the 78 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: Greens hold negotiating power. 79 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: Yes, and they are quite explicit that their aim is 80 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: for there to be a minority government. So to explain 81 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: what that means, if no party wins a majority in 82 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: the House of Representatives where the government is formed, then 83 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: the party with the most votes need to negotiate with 84 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: minor parties or independents to form a minority government. And 85 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: like I said, that is exactly what the Greens want. 86 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: They want there to be a hung parliament and more specifically, 87 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: they want Labor to be the party that is needing 88 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: to negotiate to form a minority government, because history would 89 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: tell us that they are the party more likely to 90 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: work work with the Greens to form government. 91 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: Though Anthony Albanezi, when asked I was going to last debate, 92 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: very explicitly ruled out doing that. 93 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think throughout this entire campaign he has I 94 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: feel like every single day he's been asked if he 95 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: would do a deal with Agreeds, and he has been 96 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: so explicit and very you know, not mincing any words 97 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: when he has no. 98 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: No. 99 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: He has said no time and time again. But I 100 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 1: guess people are asking because it did happen relatively recently 101 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: in our lifetime. In our lifetime, it happened in twenty 102 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: ten under the leadership of Julia Gillard. Now, to just 103 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: go back to the policies I was talking about, it's 104 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: under a minority government that the Greens would be most 105 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: likely to get one of these policies through Parliament, and 106 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: that's because in exchange for their support of the government, 107 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: they could then ask the government to support at least 108 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: one of their policies. 109 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's this kind of horse trading agreement where 110 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 2: the Greens would say will support you if you support 111 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: this for example. And I think, just to be really clear, 112 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: the reason why the Greens would be wanting that sort 113 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: of arrangement is because it is unlikely, if not impossible, 114 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: for them to become the formal opposition right now in 115 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: Australia's two party system. 116 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: This is kind of my Roman Empire because you think, 117 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: yes that like in theory, I'm not just talking about 118 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: the Greens, but any minor party. You know, maybe not 119 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,719 Speaker 1: this election, but in fifty years and one hundred years, 120 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: one of these minor parties then actually become one of 121 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: the major parties and form government. 122 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 2: I mean, that could absolutely happen. We've seen, especially across Europe, 123 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: there is now this like real coalition of completely diverse, 124 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: mismatched minor parties that somehow get across the line to 125 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: form government. What we're saying though, is that at this election, 126 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 2: to go from the four seats that the Greens currently hold, 127 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: who passed seventy sixty sixty sittings that is needed to 128 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 2: form government, seems like a bit of a stretch, but 129 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: there is nothing stopping them in our electoral laws or 130 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: otherwise from forming government or forming the opposition. Yeah, okay, 131 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 2: So the Greens are the biggest minor party in our 132 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: political system here in Australia, but they're not the only 133 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: minor party that exists. Can you really quickly just talk 134 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 2: me through some of the other minor parties. 135 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Another one is One Nation. Now, if you haven't 136 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: heard of One Nation, you probably have heard of their leader, 137 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: who is Pauline Hanson. Yep. Now, One Nation holds two 138 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: seats in the Senate, one of which is held by 139 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: Hanson herself, but she doesn't hold any in the House 140 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: of Representatives. Now. They're kind of the opposite to the 141 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: Greens in terms of where they sit on the political spectrum. 142 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: They sit on the right of that spectrum, and they're 143 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: best known for their anti immigration stance, which includes withdrawing 144 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: Australia from the UN Refugee Convention and they also want 145 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: to pull Australia out of the UN's Paris Agreement. Now, 146 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: in terms of things that would have more of a 147 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: direct or immediate impact on Australians, they also have this 148 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: family tax policy that they want to introduce to allow 149 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: couples with a dependent child to pay less tax. Also, 150 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: just a fun fact while we're here talking about one nation, 151 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: her daughter is running for the Senate. 152 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: Billion hands Electora. 153 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: Yes, so we'll be interesting to what happens there. That 154 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: will be in the Tasmanian Senate. 155 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 2: And Pauline Hansen has been in parliament for ages. Yes, 156 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 2: she is not a new figure on the parliamentary scene. 157 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: She's been there for ages. 158 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: I didn't realize she did hold a seat in the 159 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: House of Reps. 160 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 2: I only learned research and previously ran for the Liberals. Really, yep, 161 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: there you go. 162 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: So interesting. Now that's one nation, but another party you 163 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: may have heard about, or definitely you would have seen 164 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: the ads for this election cycle on TV newspapers. Is 165 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: the Trumpet of Patriots? 166 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, right near our work when we're going home, there 167 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: is a humongous Trumpet of Patriots poster that gets changed 168 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: almost weekly. But it's just different angles of Clive Palmer's face. 169 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: Yes, if you don't know what we're talking about, it's 170 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: the bright yellow one. 171 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: Can't miss it. No, we have actually dedicated a whole 172 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: podcast to talking about the Trumpet of Patriots and the 173 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: very unique way that they go about advertising. And we 174 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: will throw a link to that in today's show notes. 175 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 2: But Billy, can you just give us a brief overview 176 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: on the party. 177 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: Yes, so this is a relatively new minor party, particularly 178 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: when we compare it to One Nation and Pauline Hanson 179 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: and so the Trumpet or Patriots. They are backed by 180 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: mining billionaire Clive Palmer. Now he certainly isn't new to politics. 181 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: His previous party was called the United Australia Party. I'm 182 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: pretty sure they also their coloring was also very bright yellow, right, 183 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: I was, yeah, And they were actually de registered following 184 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty two election when it only secured one 185 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: Senate seat. In terms of their policies, their party, you 186 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: might have guessed by the name of the party, are 187 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: inspired by the politics of US President Donald Trump, and 188 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: they promise very similarly to Donald Trump to make Australia 189 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: great again. And so it wants to do things quite 190 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: similar to the Trump administration. For example, it wants to 191 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: establish a Department of Government Efficiency, which is the exact 192 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: same name as the department that is currently being led 193 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 1: by Elon Musk in the US. 194 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: And so we have the Trumpet of Patriots. We've got 195 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: One Nation. There are also a few other minor parties. 196 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 2: We've got Central Alliance Rebecca Sharky in the lower House, 197 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 2: we've got the Jackie Lamby Network Jackie Lamberinia, as you 198 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: might have guessed, in the Upper House. So there are 199 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: a few different minor parties dotted all across our parliament. 200 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: We have referenced a few times this idea that there 201 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: are a lot of minor party members in the upper 202 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: House in Australia Senate. Can you really quickly run us 203 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: through why that is the case. 204 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right that minor parties are more popular in 205 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: the Senate than they are in the House of Representatives. 206 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: And it's basically because the Senate has a system of 207 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: proportional representation which the House of Representatives doesn't, and that 208 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: system of proportional representation makes it much easier for smaller 209 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: parties to be elected. And that's just because the threshold 210 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: to be elected is much lower in the Senate than 211 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: it is in the House of Reps. So in the 212 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: House of Reps you need fifty percent of the vote 213 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: after preferences accounted to be elected, but in the Senate 214 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: you only need about fourteen to fifteen percent to be elected. 215 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: So basically, it's just like a lower bar to entry. 216 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's super interesting understanding the different ways that people 217 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 2: are elected to the Senate and then comparatively to the 218 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: House of Reps. I do want to just leave the 219 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 2: conversation about minor parties there for a moment, though, in 220 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 2: turn to another feature of our parliamentary system, which is independence. 221 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 2: What is an independent? I mean the name does give 222 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: it away a bit. Minor party and independent both very 223 00:11:58,920 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: self explanatory. 224 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: It's quite simple. It's just any other candidate who is 225 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: not from a registered party. And similar to minor parties 226 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: when it comes to the House of Representatives, independents are 227 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: most important when there is a minority government, which we 228 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: explained before. So it could be that instead of doing 229 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: a deal with a minor party like the Greens, one 230 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: of the major parties might decide to deal with independence instead. 231 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. And so in the last election we saw the 232 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: rise of a very specific cohort of community independence. They 233 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: were labeled the Teals. What do we need to know 234 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 2: about the Teals? 235 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: Yes, So they were a group of independent candidates and 236 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: they won several seats. I think they won six exactly. 237 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: And they were independents who ran in traditionally safe for 238 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: liberal electorates, and they received funding from the group called 239 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: Climate two hundred. And they got their name because they 240 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: typically represent economically right policies, with blue being the color 241 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: of the center right liberal party, and then they tend 242 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: to have more green use on climate and so blue 243 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: and green together equals TILL Although I only recently just 244 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: learned that they actually don't like being called till Independence. 245 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: I think because they don't like being seen as this 246 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: party as a party, and calling them teal independence makes 247 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: it seem like they all think the same and they're 248 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: kind of part of this party, which they don't. 249 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: They don't have a set of policies that they all 250 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: agree on. I mean, they do tend to have overlapping interests, 251 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: but not this kind of uniform approach. They don't have 252 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 2: to all vote the same way. It is interesting though, 253 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: at the last election they won all their seats off 254 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: moderate liberals. Yes, this time around, I understand that some 255 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 2: of the community independents are running against labor members, so 256 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: there does seem to be a bit of a change there. 257 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: Yes, at the moment, we are obviously doing so much 258 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: coverage on this, and I was surprised to see how 259 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,439 Speaker 1: many teal independents there are in traditionally safe Labour Sea. 260 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. And another feature of them, at least that the 261 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: last election was that the vast majority were women who 262 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 2: ran in those seats. Again, I think now there's a 263 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: bit more of a gender split because that was of 264 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: the moment at that time. There were some concerns in 265 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 2: the community about the representation of women. But this time 266 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: we will see more men running as those community independents. 267 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: And one of the most high profile races last selection 268 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 1: was in the Melbourne seat of Kuyong, when TiAl independent 269 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: doctor Monique Ryan beat then Treasurer Josh Fredenberg. Now Friedenburg 270 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: was widely expected to be the next leader of the 271 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: Liberal Party, so that defeat received a lot of attention. 272 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if you'd call it a shock defeat. 273 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: But it was I think, yeah, I think that's fair. 274 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: It was a massive Yeah. 275 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 2: I mean it was clear that a lot of money 276 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: and a lot of attention was on that seat. But 277 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: I don't know that anyone expected Freedenburg to lose, and 278 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: then certainly as many moderate Liberals to lose as they 279 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: did last time. 280 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were particularly successful in the House of 281 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: Representatives again, like I just said, they won six seats there, 282 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: but they also did have success in the Senate with 283 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: till Independent David Pocock getting in. However, has since declared 284 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: that he won't receive any financial backing from that group 285 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: Climate two hundred for this election. 286 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, really really interesting. Last election was defined I think 287 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: by two main factors. It was that it was the 288 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: climate election and that there was this Teal wave. What 289 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 2: we will see happen this election, no one really knows 290 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: whether that can be repeated again for the Teals or 291 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: if that was kind of a one time thing that 292 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 2: was a response to the moment and the time that 293 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: we were in. 294 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: We'll be fascinating to see what happens, and we'll all 295 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: go down on Saturday. 296 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: We'll be here. We can't wait anyway. Billy, thank you 297 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: so much for taking us through the minor parties and 298 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: the independence of course of specific interest to young people 299 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: as we see more and more young people turning away 300 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 2: from the major parties. That wraps up another episode of 301 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: Politics One I one with the Daily Os. If you 302 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: have any more questions that you want us to answer 303 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: this week on the podcast, feel free to leave a 304 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 2: comment on Spotify and we'll be sure to answer it 305 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: as the week goes on. See you later. 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