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Speaker 1: Katie Wolf covering the issues that affect you every day

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Speaker 1: and only on Mix one O four point nine.

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Speaker 2: It's seven minutes away from ten o'clock.

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Speaker 1: And joining me live in the studio right now is

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Speaker 1: the Lord Mayor of Darwin Combat Scarlets.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Cort Monicated. I'm telling you I'm sick and

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Speaker 3: tired talking about crime show. I'm not going to talk

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Speaker 3: about crime today. Let me give you the good news first.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what's the good news?

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Speaker 3: Swimming pool? We had a visit by the Federal Ministry. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I did that pool and she is absolutely thrilled. And

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Speaker 3: the good news is we're in budget and most likely

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Speaker 3: we open in July.

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe give the Northern Territory government some advice on

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Speaker 1: how to deliver projects a little bit more quickly. Con

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Speaker 1: You guys seem to be managing it quite well.

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Speaker 3: I am not elected to in parliament. They've got there

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Speaker 3: about sixteen seventeen people in paiament. They can do it themselves.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't sound like you want that job, Corne at all.

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Speaker 3: I'm happy what I've got at the moment because I

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Speaker 3: can deliver the community. If you've seen the newspaper lately,

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Speaker 3: forty six million dollars go to the community, and the

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Speaker 3: majority of them actually spent here in Darwin. They had

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Speaker 3: done by local people.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think that's the great thing is that you

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Speaker 1: actually see local business winning these jobs as well.

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Speaker 2: And you've got.

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Speaker 1: Local contractors, local tradees, everybody's out there and I've got

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Speaker 1: that work happening.

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Speaker 3: Is I can't get local business became awfully engaged and

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Speaker 3: a lot of things are happening around town. And when

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Speaker 3: I put the tender out, the tender comes through the

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Speaker 3: roof and we have to go back and redo it

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Speaker 3: because and you know what we decide now we all

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Speaker 3: some of them that we're going to do it ourselves.

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Speaker 3: We're going to actually bring it back in the house.

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Speaker 3: Give you example, what work. Give you an example if

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Speaker 3: we found out that the quote we got for planting trees,

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Speaker 3: it was three times what we were planning. So our

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Speaker 3: plan this year is to actually match what we planned

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Speaker 3: last year. Last year we planned all together twenty thousand

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Speaker 3: trees and gave away trees. This year we're going to

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Speaker 3: do the same. We're going to be more targeted. Like

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Speaker 3: instead of planning trees here and they're everywhere, we're going

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Speaker 3: to plan them in the middle medium strips so they

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Speaker 3: can create a canopy. We're going to actually reforest some

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Speaker 3: of the empty spaces around East Point and around But

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Speaker 3: we still continue to give our trees to our residents

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Speaker 3: because they love it. And I know when they turn

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Speaker 3: up seven thirty in the morning, when we actually start

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Speaker 3: giving trees eight thirty, they really like the trees and

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Speaker 3: they take them home and careful.

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Speaker 2: I love them. Con tell us the community gardens.

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Speaker 1: Now, I understand that there's said to be some change

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Speaker 1: with the community gardens.

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Speaker 3: Well, the only change it is is we actually trying

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Speaker 3: to actually streamline the whole pressure is exactly the same

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Speaker 3: like we do with every other person who actually comes

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Speaker 3: and hires a venue from the council. Currently, we go

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Speaker 3: through community council gardens, the Lakeside one, of the Gigii

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Speaker 3: one and the one in Karama. The Karama is the

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Speaker 3: latest one, and councils spend ten thousand dollars from their

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Speaker 3: own money to establish a garden. The other gardens get

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Speaker 3: received in the past grants twenty five thousand dollars for

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Speaker 3: the establishment or fruit trees and thirteen thousand dollars to

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Speaker 3: the lake Side one. What we ask them now is

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Speaker 3: your gardens at the momentary in limbo. There's no arrange

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Speaker 3: between the council and yourself, so technically they still belong

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Speaker 3: there's an accident, council will.

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Speaker 2: Fully lie well because they can garden.

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Speaker 3: No, there's no written agreement between them and us. So

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Speaker 3: what do we have asked them now to do?

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Speaker 2: Is community? Right? Well, you're building it for the community.

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Speaker 2: That's the whole reason.

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Speaker 3: That actually give them a piece of land and they

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Speaker 2: Give who give who the piece of land?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a long, long story. We gave it to

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Speaker 3: and really who is we have to find out who

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Speaker 3: is the real who answers? So, but what we say

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Speaker 3: is we will want to charge you the great amount

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Speaker 3: then what we want you to do, want you to

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Speaker 3: actually give us evidence. You've got a public liability insurance

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Speaker 3: and what we want you.

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Speaker 2: To do that costs quite a bit of money.

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing again is if you don't have it,

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Speaker 3: you're in big trouble because there you become a personal

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Speaker 1: Full like under the council's public liability insurance. If it's

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Speaker 1: a community garden that you guys.

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't.

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Speaker 3: We don't run it.

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Speaker 2: We have no you own the land and everything.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, we don't run it. We have no say what's

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Speaker 3: we have no say how they use it. It's all

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Speaker 3: run by the council. So if something goes wrong, the

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Speaker 3: council will be liable because you know what happened. You

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Speaker 3: show the one who's got the most money. That means

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Speaker 3: the great payers here to forecast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose I'm just trying to wrap around in

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Speaker 1: my head. Who then is the person that you're essentially

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Speaker 1: doing a lease.

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Speaker 3: There are committees and otherre are committees attacually round the

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Speaker 3: community gardens. Okay, so we said to the committee, well

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Speaker 3: you're the committee. We're very happy to rent you you

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Speaker 3: that area for one dollar you get Approluate Buildings insurance

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Speaker 3: and for NGOs is actually much much less than what

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Speaker 3: this is for companies won the five year agreement, and

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Speaker 3: you pay five hundred dollars for a lakeside drive, two

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Speaker 3: hundred for jiggily and two hundred for Karama and that

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Speaker 3: will cover your electricity and your water and so.

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Speaker 1: But I guess it's essentially you're entering into a lace

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Speaker 3: Pass that one through the National body. NAGA body says

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Speaker 3: this is the arrangements that exists down south, and I

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Speaker 3: believe the national bodies spoke to them. But of course

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Speaker 3: what they say, oh no, we don't want to.

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Speaker 2: So they're not happy about it now.

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Speaker 3: They don't want to enter the agreement and they don't

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Speaker 3: want to pay the fee. They want actually the great

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Speaker 3: and everything else.

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Speaker 1: And it's any right parallel to access those community gardens.

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Speaker 2: And because I suppose that's the question something that's generally

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Speaker 3: If you want to become part of one of these gardens,

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Speaker 3: you have to pay a hundred dollars?

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. You have to tell me that. The

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Speaker 3: I've seen Facebook. They're selling their produce and actually for

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Speaker 3: a good reason, because they want they want to do

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Speaker 3: education fantastic, So obviously there's a way of raising money.

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Speaker 3: But again, what my point is if you come to

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Speaker 3: I want to have a party for my children.

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Speaker 2: You've got to fee.

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Speaker 3: You pay for cleaning, you pay for power. You know

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Speaker 3: what the community happened. I know there's emotional People says, oh,

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Speaker 3: terrible council. Bad council wants to destroy the well. We

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Speaker 3: don't want to destroy. As a matter of fact, we

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Speaker 3: pay for for it. We pay for the water, we

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Speaker 3: pay for the electricity, we have paid for the establishment,

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Speaker 3: we have paid for the running well.

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Speaker 1: And presumably you do that because it is for the community,

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Speaker 1: right like it's for everybody to access, but the sense.

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Speaker 3: That everybody dollars to get to become.

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Speaker 2: But that's my question.

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Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, then your question, I mean, how does

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Speaker 3: it work. But again, if it's for the community, you

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Speaker 3: can argue that one is for every every every activity

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Speaker 3: is for the community. But I can't. You can't. Country

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Speaker 3: does not photocopy money and pay money. It's a limited resource.

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Speaker 3: The end of the day. The money have to come

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Speaker 3: out of your age. And my rage and everybody else

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Speaker 3: is rage. And people says, hold on, I don't access

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Speaker 3: this garden. I have no say whos the garden and

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Speaker 3: they use water and everything else, why should I pay

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm very keen to hear if there is

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Speaker 1: anybody listening this morning that does access that community gardener,

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Speaker 1: if you are part of the community gardens, feel free

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Speaker 3: One thing I would tell you. It's an emotional debate

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Speaker 3: and it's it's there are some of the same people

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Speaker 3: that are run in Facebook run really motion campaign is

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Speaker 3: that was not my decision. That was a decision by council.

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Speaker 3: When we took the decision, only a council ricard opposed it.

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Speaker 3: I know there's a council now who runs as I'll

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Speaker 3: support the guards, support the gardeners. Well, that the council

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Speaker 3: voted to impose the fees and everything else, but now

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Speaker 3: my point is we love the community gardens, we want

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Speaker 3: very concerned about public ability and the council. And the

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Speaker 3: other thing again is if we going to do it,

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Speaker 3: do it properly, do it right. We pay for your water,

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Speaker 3: we pay for your electricity. We ask you how much

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Speaker 3: what do you spend in your small house every year?

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Speaker 3: We asked people to pay five hundred or two hundred,

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Speaker 3: so it's not much.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I suppose for me, the real sticking point

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Speaker 1: is if it's a community garden that is absolutely accessible

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Speaker 1: to everybody in the community, then you know, then I

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Speaker 1: don't see this bad thing as a bad thing if

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Speaker 1: the council is able to provide that service. But if

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Speaker 1: you've got a situation where with these community gardens. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a garden for the whole community. So

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Speaker 1: if it is for the whole community, I can understand that.

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Speaker 1: But if but if we've got a situation, well that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm asking. If we've got a situation.

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Speaker 3: Where it responsible a group that's.

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Speaker 1: Running it, that's only letting some people then access that garden,

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Speaker 1: then it's a very different scenario.

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Speaker 3: My question is who aren's it? Yeah, what process are

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Speaker 3: in place? What happens if something goes wrong? Yep, who's liable?

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Speaker 3: If something goes wrong? We're not there. We don't run

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Speaker 3: it because if.

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Speaker 1: We understand and look, I'm gonna have to go to

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Speaker 1: the news, but you can sort of understand how people

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Speaker 1: then get to the point where you go, well, I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to do anything nice for the community because

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Speaker 1: you know when you put on an event or when

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Speaker 1: you run a community garden, it then costs you a

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Speaker 1: thousand bucks to do that.

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Speaker 3: You don't we live in a players where people says

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Speaker 3: you have to have public ability insurance. Yeah, if you

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Speaker 3: want to have a cricket test, you have to have

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Speaker 3: a public liability insurance and you have to pay the

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Speaker 3: feed because you're going to use a facility that time

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Speaker 3: for your group nobody else can access. And that's why

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Speaker 3: we've got the registration because we had in the past

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Speaker 3: anything for free. And you've got two events colliding because

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Speaker 3: play crick in the same vein. Oh.

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Speaker 1: Look, con unfortunately we are going to have to wrap

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Speaker 1: up in these news time. Well, I'm interested to hear

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Speaker 1: whether we hear from anybody about these community gardens.

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Speaker 3: Or the people actually think they are greeted by it,

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Speaker 3: because my question is this is a community space you occupy,

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Speaker 3: who runs it, how you run it, what prosurcutive place,

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Speaker 3: who is responsible for something goes wrong? What's your level

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Speaker 3: of insurance? And you don't pay anything Country will cover it.

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Speaker 3: You only have to pay a dollar a year for

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Speaker 3: five years, and two hundred dollars to have free water

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Speaker 3: and free electricity, or five hundred dollars in Lake Side Drive,

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Speaker 3: which is eight thousand square meters. I think it's a

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Speaker 3: good deal, a dollar for eight thousand squameters.

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Speaker 1: Contact Scarlets good to speak with you this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. It is just after ten o'clock