1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Lots of talk about tourism, no doubt about that, and 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: then that talk has evolved following the news that we 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: could have a bubble, a travel bubble with New Zealand 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: and that Regional Victoria is going to come back online 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: in four weeks time. Now joining us on the line 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: to talk more about this tourism Top End General Manager 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: Glenn Henley, Good morning to you, Glenn. 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: Katie, Good morning to you. 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: How are you, yeah, really well, Glenn, how are you 10 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: feeling about this potential New Zealand NT travel bubble? 11 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: I would as exciting as it sounds, I think there's 12 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 2: a few things that we need to keep in mind 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 2: around this, because there's a little bit of a way 14 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: to go around that. I think. Firstly, New Zealand hasn't 15 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: traditionally been a big market for us, but that's not 16 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: to say it couldn't be. We offer such a great, 17 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: unique range of different Australian experiences to that which Kiwis 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 2: are are more used to traveling to on the East Coast. 19 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: You know, for a population of four point eight million, 20 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: over three and a half million Kiwis traveled overseas last year, 21 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: so there's certainly a market that's got that ability to travel, 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 2: and not to mention that about half a million Kiwis 23 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: actually reside in Australia, so the visiting friends and relatives 24 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 2: components is a big part of that. Auckland to Darwin, 25 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: you know, is over five thousand kilometers away, but that 26 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: makes it's still a long way for a seven three 27 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: seven too. They can get yet. Yeah, But I think 28 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: there's a couple of things in that announcement, in that excitement, 29 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: and I know that we certainly were very interested in 30 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: that announcement. And there's two things that we've got to remember. 31 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: And one is that still Australians are not permitted to 32 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 2: travel to New Zealand, and that's by New Zealand authorities, 33 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: so it's one way traffic. And for any Kiwis that 34 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: we're thinking about coming to Australia for a holiday, they 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: still have to quarantine when they get back to New 36 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: Zealand at a cost of three thousand New Zealand dollars. 37 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: So there's a few things ahead of us there before 38 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: we get too excited, but that's it. I think it's 39 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: a great step in the right direction, and I know 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: that I know that the team of Tourism and Tee 41 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: have been keeping an eye on New Zealand and doing 42 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: some subtle marketing there and keeping it on. And so 43 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: for those who travel into safe spots, other safe spots 44 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 2: in Australia for example, that's Southeast quean Zlane and extending 45 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: on and coming to the Top End is a great opportunity. 46 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you when we talk about New Zealand 47 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: and again like it's exciting, and it certainly feels exciting. 48 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: But in addition to all of those things that you've 49 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: already spoken about, there's also no direct flight at the 50 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: moment from New Zealand to the Northern Territory is there? 51 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: So for there to be a direct flight and there 52 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 2: hasn't been. It's hundred kilometers so for seven three seven 53 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: to do that, and to do it with one way 54 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: traffic on the basis there isn't the population base here 55 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: in the top end for Territorians to be traveling to 56 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,799 Speaker 2: New yak On make a flight direct viable. It sounds 57 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: great in theory, but when you sit down the stub 58 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 2: doing the numbers on the back of a costa, it 59 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: doesn't work out financially for there to be a direct flight. 60 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 2: So I think in realistically, we sort of temper our 61 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: enthusiasm on the basis that it's about giving Kiwis who 62 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: are renowned travelers, traveled to all parts of the world, 63 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: and we also have to say all of all places 64 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: outside of the Northern Territory. Certainly New Zealand there's been 65 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 2: one of those places that has been on top of 66 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: this from the get go, with a couple of stumbles 67 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: along the way in regard to managing COVID nineteen, but 68 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: certainly the one they're taking it very seriously. They have 69 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: very good regime in place. 70 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: But at the moment, Glenn, it's sounding like we should 71 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: all stand down a little bit, don't get too excited. 72 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 2: I agree, Cody, I think it sounds great in theory. 73 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: It was a nice it was a nice headline, but 74 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 2: in reality lot more to happen. Yeah. 75 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about one of the other markets so 76 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: that is set to open back up in a few 77 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: weeks time, and that is Regional Victoria. Is this a 78 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: positive move from your perspective? 79 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Victoria Opera Victorians coming to the territory is one 80 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 2: of our biggest markets, and you know every Victorian that 81 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: if they're coming from a safe place as recognized by 82 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 2: a health officials. They're bringing new and when a tourist 83 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: travels into the territory, they're bringing in new money. And 84 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 2: that's great for the economy. It's great for employment, it's 85 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: great for the small businesses. It's really important for tourism. 86 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: Victoria is our biggest domestic market. But this has to 87 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: be done sustainably. Uh and and and safely was the 88 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 2: other word. Safely and sustainably we we we welcome Victorians 89 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: from safe spots with open arms. And I think it's 90 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 2: also a great time for us to change the way 91 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 2: that we think about and present ourselves to our brothers 92 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: and sisters down south to come up. I think one 93 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: of the one of the real opportunities here is for 94 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: and this is also for this summer on sale campaign 95 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: that no doubt listeners are all aware of going on 96 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: down south, is for Territorians to invite their friends and 97 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: relatives to stay. Instead of us coming down to you 98 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: this year, why not come up to the top end. 99 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: In doing so, take up one of these deals with 100 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: flight Center and Hello World and other travel agents. Get 101 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: you know for every thousand dollars two hundred dollars off 102 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 2: and get up here and have a great time as 103 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: long as you're from a safe spot. And we've got 104 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: to continue to take that really seriously. We can't relax 105 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 2: just because places around Australia are slowly becoming less of 106 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 2: a hot spot. As territorians, we've got to remain vigilant 107 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: and as excited as we are to get more tourists here. 108 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 2: Doing it properly and sustainably is the key. 109 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. We also know that well 110 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: later this week we are expecting that those direct flights 111 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: from Sydney are going to start back up again. No 112 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: doubt that's going to help us in terms of boosting 113 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: those tourism numbers, particularly like you've touched on when you 114 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: talk about that summer on sale as well. 115 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's really important and yet it is exciting 116 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: and it's great news for the tourism industry, but for 117 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 2: the broader economy. Again, when we have tourists coming into 118 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: the territory that's bringing in they're bringing dollars that aren't 119 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: just spent with attractions and tour operators and hotels. They're 120 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: spending at cafes and restaurants and retailers throughout and helping 121 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 2: to keep those cafes and restaurants and places that we 122 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: all love to go and enjoy. That it's helping keeping 123 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: those businesses open and that's important. I also would recognize 124 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: that that the effort that Darwin Airport is doing in 125 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 2: its you know, getting landing into Darwin isn't just an 126 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: easy to get off the plane with your bags, jumping 127 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: a cab and come through. You know. We do hear 128 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: some people who who are a little bit phased by 129 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: the fact that it does take time to process, but 130 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 2: that's a really important process. 131 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: I agree with you. 132 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: Safety of everybody, especially our most vulnerable communities throughout the territory. 133 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 2: So I was at an event last week where Tony Edmondson, 134 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: the CEO of Darwin Airports, was speaking and just talking 135 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: about their commitment to making those arrivals really safe. So 136 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: flights from New South Wales from Sydney is really exciting news. 137 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: What's even better news is that everything's been done properly 138 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: for the well being of all territories. 139 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I think that we've got 140 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: to make sure that all the checks and balances are done, 141 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: whether you're crossing the border by road or whether you're 142 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: coming into the territory by plane and going through the airport. 143 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: It's incredibly important that we continue to go through the 144 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: processes that are currently in place. And I think that 145 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: they're doing a great job on our borders. 146 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, they are doing a great job. And I think 147 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: we look at how we're also managing that we're getting 148 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: a real name for ourselves nationally. And if we look 149 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: at Howard Springs and you saw you might have seen 150 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: the national coverage of people who are doing their time, 151 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: who have got other places down south and are doing 152 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: their quarantining at Howard Springs, it's starting to look like 153 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 2: the top ed club met in terms of people socially 154 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: distanced and enjoying themselves. But you look and you listen 155 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 2: to their words and the smiles and their faces and 156 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: how great it is to be in the top end. 157 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 2: We're working closely with the Northern Territory government to be 158 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: able to give them once they have done their time 159 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: and have and our safe to travel, hoping that they 160 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: can stay on and spend some more time here with 161 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 2: us in the territory and not just shoot through to 162 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: the footy Grand Final or whatever other reason they're they're 163 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: here for that take that opportunity to come up they've 164 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: done their team and then to spend some time exploring, 165 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: exploring the territory, exploring the top end. Yeap for sure. 166 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: Now, Gleen, just a little while ago, we caught up 167 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: with the Chief Minister a bit after nine o'clock. We 168 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: caught up with the Chief Minister, as we do on 169 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: a Monday morning, and he'd said that in Tuesday's budget, 170 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: the federal budget, which is being handed down as we 171 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: all know, he is hoping that we may be in 172 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: a situation where the federal federal government announces that funding 173 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: for Kackadoo is brought forward. How how positive would this 174 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: be if that funding was brought forward for Kackadoo. 175 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 2: I think it's really important on a number of levels, Codie. 176 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:45,359 Speaker 2: It's important for jobs in the territory, in the construction, 177 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 2: in the in the the infrastructure investment. So number one, tourism. 178 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: You know, ultimately we're doing this for tourism, but it 179 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 2: creates jobs for locals, It creates great infrastructure for locals, 180 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: and and Kakado see wis we've we've been We've had 181 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: a long struggle with the infrastructure and the lack of 182 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 2: money that is necessary to maintain the infrastructure in Kakadu. 183 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 2: It's it's all well and good to be announcing new 184 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: this and new that, where the money that needs to 185 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: be spent first is on maintaining the infrastructure within seasonally. 186 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: The Minister of the Environment was up here recently. We 187 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: sat down with her for about an hour and a 188 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 2: half and she certainly recognized that it's not necessarily about 189 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 2: the new announcements that the most important. It's about the 190 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 2: money to keep the infrastructure there working, working for all. 191 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: We'd be that for traditional owners, for and for territories, 192 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: not just for tourists. Really important. And I think one 193 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 2: of the other things is we know that in this 194 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 2: recession that investment and infrastructure is going to be one 195 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 2: of those things that helped us nationally is an economy 196 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 2: and it would definitely help the territory and the top 197 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: end and help tourism. Is some great new initiatives on 198 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 2: investing in infrastructure, but first that needs to be done 199 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 2: really carefully, also with traditional owners, so that so that 200 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,719 Speaker 2: that which has been done is being done at a 201 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: pace which which which is which is in their agreement. 202 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 2: And I think that's the other part of it too. 203 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: I think often we hear these tourism announcements and a 204 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 2: lot of that is needs to be carefully considered that 205 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: we sit down and we do consult carefully because with 206 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: traditional owners custodians to make sure that that which has 207 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 2: been done is to their wishes, the ambition, the dream 208 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: of the ambitions for the future of Cacad and for 209 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: that matter, any other any other of the lands around 210 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: top Ends and the territory. 211 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: Well blame him Ley, Tourism top End General Manager. We 212 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: always appreciate your time. Thanks so much for having a chat. 213 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: With us this morning, Katie, Thank you very much. 214 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: Thank you. We'll talk to you again soon. That is 215 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: Glenn Hindley there and he is Tourism top Ends General Manager. 216 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: And it is sounding as though, you know, with the 217 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: federal budget being handed down tomorrow, I think that everybody 218 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: is wondering exactly where money is going to be invested 219 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: in those different areas, ie job creation and infrastructure and 220 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: ensuring that money that is spent. And it's certainly the 221 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: rhetoric that we're hearing out of Josh Friedenberg, the Federal 222 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 1: Treasurer's mouth, is that he wants it to be a 223 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: job creating budget and he wants that, you know, he 224 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: wants as many Aussies in jobs as possible, so hopefully 225 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: for us here in the territory, that does mean that 226 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: there will be some investment in areas like tourism in 227 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: order to try and really get things moving for when 228 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: those borders do reopen, or when the international borders do reopen, 229 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: which is still some time away, but making sure that 230 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: we're at the top of our game for when that happens.