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Speaker 1: the transcribers. Wasn't that fun last time? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: John, I don't know if you know this, but last

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Speaker 1: A variety of topics and an email from.

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Speaker 2: A certain car company and there was four or five

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Speaker 1: They didn't like that.

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Speaker 2: I am absolutely toughed that you paid someone to transcribe

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's not liking it is okay, that's allowed.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what of the funniest things about it

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Speaker 3: Was there a threat that went with it? Please tell

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Speaker 3: me there was it? Was injurious falsehood.

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Speaker 2: No, no, it was a veiled threat. It was one

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is awesome, and then that nothing screams validation

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Speaker 3: louder than that. Yep, we care about what you said.

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Speaker 1: then Paul, then you, then Paul, and then it gets

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Speaker 1: Welcome buddy, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: But I am sorry though that the podcast has come

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well let's it.

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Speaker 2: Trevor wasn't available, so we thought, you don't want to

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Speaker 1: He's been back on the piss, he's fallen off the wagon.

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Speaker 1: The guy who doesn't drink has been seen out the

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Speaker 3: I do hate it to see a good man's slip.

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Speaker 1: So I thought we'd kick off this discussion.

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Speaker 2: You went on a trip recently with Mitsubishi to the

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Speaker 3: Most dignified car company tantrum of all time. Dude, Like,

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Speaker 3: Well, they didn't really. I knew Oliver Man, who was

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Speaker 3: Now, It's not one of those high luxes where some

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Speaker 3: Well imagine being or not universally but almost universally detested.

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Speaker 3: assessing critiquing other people's products, and they hate it when

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Speaker 2: It's genuinely just people that they know having a social

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Speaker 2: So that that landscape is changing a lot, and it's

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Speaker 3: And since I burned all the bridges, like since the carnage,

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Speaker 3: It's like you can strafe at will hell, fire missiles,

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Speaker 1: Kind of you've done this set way and everyone's happy,

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Speaker 1: raking experience or is that? But is it also a

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Speaker 3: It's nerve wracking first and because you don't know what's

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Speaker 3: going to happen, right. It's like getting into the ring.

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Speaker 3: When you get into the ring with an opponent for

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Speaker 3: You don't know if they're going to murder you, right,

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Speaker 1: And now how the tides have change. You just walked

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Speaker 3: But he promised it in two years. It took four years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that's where.

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Speaker 3: They're doing ridiculous brownlee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah carwow, shut the ship out of it? Did you

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Speaker 2: So they all have and that to me tells me

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Speaker 3: Like I said, Ford's got as many f one fifty

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Speaker 3: the bottom line there is that the union's got a

437
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 3: couple of seats on the Volkswagen board and they started

438
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 3: to have a look at how many jobs were going

439
00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 3: to be lost and they had basically a tantrum. And

440
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 3: the result of that is they boned mister Dis. And

441
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 3: he's okay because he landed on his wallet. They put

442
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Speaker 3: in a friend of the family from Porsche as the CEO,

443
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 3: and his job is to keep saying yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

444
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: But they're walking back from Trinity and walking back from

445
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:20,199
Speaker 3: the two billion dollar EV factory conversion in Wolfsburg, so

446
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 3: seemingly everyone's walking back from it. And Tesla's in this

447
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 3: position where it's making a high capital cost item with

448
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: relatively low margins and it's just had a major price company.

449
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 3: He can't do that too much before you go out

450
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 3: the back door. With cars, you can't just twenty percent

451
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,239
Speaker 3: off today, twenty percent off tomorrow. You can't have a

452
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 3: fire sale after that. That there's a limit to the

453
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: amount of discounting with cars. But also the nature of.

454
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 2: The business pisses customers oft and customers were okay when

455
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 2: the resale value of EV's on the second hand market

456
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 2: was strong because there were long wait times. That's now gone.

457
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: I have for car sales alert for model threes and

458
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 2: model wise. Every day there's like an extra thirty or

459
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: forty listed and they going down. Old mate, that just

460
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 2: dropped me off here in the Uber Tesla Model three driver.

461
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: He basically bought his at the peak his car lost

462
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 2: about eight thousand dollars over the time he owned it,

463
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: and now is a second hand vehicle.

464
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Speaker 1: It's tanked.

465
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Speaker 2: So I think that the thing that Tesla doesn't understand,

466
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 2: or is starting to realize very quickly, is that in

467
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: a race to the bottom of the Chinese the Chinese

468
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 2: will win.

469
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: They've got under leavers, they can pull.

470
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Speaker 2: On price, and they've already flogged the Europeans and the

471
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 2: US other US brands on the price walk, but China's

472
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 2: going to have them, So.

473
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Speaker 3: He's going to have the mass market too. Right, Tesla

474
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: doesn't have a mass market car like the entry level.

475
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,880
Speaker 2: Tesla is much something thousand dollars.

476
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: An affluent person's car. You don't have to be super wealthy.

477
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 3: But the other interesting thing that I saw in the

478
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Speaker 3: past couple of weeks was a story in Daily Mail

479
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 3: or one of those online newspapers. A woman journalist there

480
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 3: grabs a who's having a Corolla, like a twenty eleven

481
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 3: Corolla as her day driver. Right, she drives to Melbourne

482
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: from Sydney regularly. She gets an Ionic five.

483
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Speaker 1: Right, this is the story I brought up the other day.

484
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, it costs like fifty percent more and takes fifty

485
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Speaker 3: percent longer yep to do that drive. So unless you

486
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Speaker 3: are embracing electrification as if it's a religion, that's intolerable.

487
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 3: And some of the hoops she had to jump through

488
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 3: like she was on Vodaphone and that didn't have network

489
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: coverage at the charger she was at, so she had

490
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Speaker 3: to walk like four, She had to get a kid

491
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Speaker 3: in the car, She had to get a stranger to

492
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Speaker 3: plug the charger into the car while she was four

493
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: hundred meters away of McDonald's where they did have a hotspot.

494
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Speaker 1: Unbelievable.

495
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Speaker 3: So she has to waive at this stranger the kids

496
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,879
Speaker 3: and he has to plug the bloody the charger in

497
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 3: while she's got coverage like this is not robust infrastructure.

498
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: No, Well, in Australia, it's proven to not be the case.

499
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Speaker 2: And we actually just did a drive with two seven

500
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Speaker 2: series because we did this a while ago in a

501
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 2: Q five diesel and an EV six ye and the

502
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 2: drive ended up being slightly cheaper in the EV six

503
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: because one of the chargers a full seventy or seventy

504
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 2: old killer. What our charge was free. Had it have

505
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 2: not been free, would have been more expensive. And people

506
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: complained that the cars weren't the same. So we took

507
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 2: a seven forty, which is internal combustion turbo six, and

508
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 2: then we took the I seven drove them from Melbourne

509
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: to Sydney and we had the exact same experience where

510
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to ruin the story here because the video

511
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: is not live yet, but the petrol car was cheaper.

512
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Speaker 2: And in addition to that, just before we got to Tarkata,

513
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,439
Speaker 2: which is a halfway point, almost ran out of charge,

514
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: and then the Optus network failure happened and all the

515
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 2: EV chargers weren't working. And Tarkata this time a year

516
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: is wonderful. It's about forty eight thousand degrees and there's

517
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Speaker 2: shitloads of flies.

518
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Speaker 1: For some bizarre reason.

519
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Speaker 2: This was the only TV charger they didn't have on

520
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: the Optus network, so it actually worked. But had it

521
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 2: have not worked, the guy said I we should reroute,

522
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 2: and I said I'm not going to reroute because if

523
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: I was an average consumer here and my family was

524
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: in the car, I wouldn't have just assumed that this

525
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: would work because it's electricity and I can plug it

526
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 2: into a car. Electricity is not down. It's the phone network.

527
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: But you need the phone network to activate the thing,

528
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: and they've just actually announced the other day they're putting

529
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: tap and go terminals in. I'm like, all right, well,

530
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: that still doesn't solve the problem. When you tap and

531
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 2: go it needs to authenticate, which it needs phone coverage.

532
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: We're gonna have the same problem.

533
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Speaker 1: Might rock up to this charge. I think we really

534
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: realized when an absolute shit show that thing caused, like

535
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: absolutely people couldn't get ambulances and all sorts of stuff

536
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: like the fact that you're stranded.

537
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: That was an unmitigated disaster. And the way that that lady,

538
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 2: the CEO handled it was fucking comical as well. That

539
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: was the worst thing I've ever seen. But look, I

540
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,239
Speaker 2: mean this all sounds very anti EV, but I've had

541
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: an EV now for four years and predominantly charged it

542
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: at home. Don't have an issue, but that's because my

543
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: second car and any work car I want to take

544
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: typically internal combustion. So on a public holiday or excuse me,

545
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: there's another one public holidays, you.

546
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 3: Seem to lud proudly brought to you by the Car

547
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 3: Expert Christmas party.

548
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: Poor John is just like I did this podcast. One

549
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: little shit bought his dog the other fucking Pavlay just

550
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: was on the verge of vomiting all over the desk.

551
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: What have I signed up for?

552
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 3: No, it's okay, dude, I got some meth in the bank.

553
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: Everyone's happy.

554
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just think that I'm not ragging on

555
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 2: evs here. It's just Australia sucks. And I read somewhere

556
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: that they're about to put SLAS in so service level

557
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 2: agreements on public charging that is funded by taxpayers, and

558
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: it's about fucking time because the private companies are just

559
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: taking all your taxpayer dollars.

560
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 3: On this issue of Australia's fucked. Okay, when I burned

561
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: all the bridges a few years ago now, but their

562
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: smoke was still in the air pretty thick around the world.

563
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: I used to refer I started referring because every when

564
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 3: you do a show and it's just you, everything's got

565
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: to be a character, right, So I don't call the

566
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: joint Australia. I call it the Shitsville. Yes, And I

567
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 3: used to have people email me all the time and

568
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 3: comment like and hear.

569
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: Why you're just fuck were?

570
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: They mainly from queensa scam country between New Zealand and.

571
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'll tell my mum to stop emailing's annoying.

572
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: Kind of like that. But now I call the giant shitsville.

573
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: Nobody arks up, Nobody says no, no, it's not fucked

574
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 3: because it.

575
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: Is, because it's true.

576
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look on a comparative level between us and

577
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: you know gars are at the moment, obviously Australia is

578
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: significantly better, but I mean still better than Yemen. Yeah,

579
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Speaker 2: there are a lot of places that are significantly worse

580
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: off series as a country.

581
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: Ayria, Ethiopia is probably not great.

582
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: We have become a shithole, yeah, we have, we have,

583
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: and it is depressing.

584
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Speaker 1: I find like when you go overseas you sort of

585
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: have this realization where Australia is not that sort of

586
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: like check out what you can do in Australia. It's

587
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: very much what you can't do, or a country of

588
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: rules of what you can't do. And I sort of

589
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: look at that that that whole debarcle. My family is

590
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: all from Melbourne and during the way like the COVID

591
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: was treated down there with Dan, I couldn't believe it.

592
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: I wanted, wasn't it. I wanted to pack my ship

593
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: and leave the country. And I'm like how is that

594
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: guy allowed? Like, how is this sort of stuff allowed?

595
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: But I think on a world scale, it very much

596
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: is like we are lucky in a lot of ways,

597
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: but we've got a lot of fucking rules we have.

598
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Speaker 3: We have this pedestrian overpass in our suburb between two

599
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: retail precincts, and it was terrible because the it was

600
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: it was very narrow, and that meant that the traffic

601
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 3: going from the massage parlors on one side to the

602
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: massage parlors on the other side it was always a bottleneck, right,

603
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: So they fixed it up and we've got a nice

604
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: wide new pedestrian overpass now over the railway line and

605
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: the and the main sort of street. So traffic between

606
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: massage parlor is very efficient.

607
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: Yes, much less is now punctual to get a much

608
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: less time is wasted betwixt you know, venues.

609
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 3: And I looked up today when I was you know,

610
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: en route, so to speak, and there's this sign that

611
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: details what's prohibited on the freaking overpaths. One too many

612
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 3: prohibitions in most of that. But it's highly competitive. That's

613
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: the best part about competition. But it's just like fucking

614
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: seventeen things that aren't allowed on a pedestrian overpass, like

615
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: and they could have done better because there was no

616
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Speaker 3: AR fifteen symbol with a line through it. You know,

617
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: there was no There was no crystal meth in a

618
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 3: syringe with a line. These were just things like no

619
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Speaker 3: riding a trailbike over the pedestrian.

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Speaker 1: My local park has a sign no ship that says

621
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Speaker 1: and it's like a tiny park in the middle of

622
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Speaker 1: like sort of a town square, and it says it

623
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: literally has a no horses sign the every time, and

624
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: then there's like there's also like a like a marijuana

625
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: leaf symbol and then the no thing and pops is

626
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: all my kids always like pointing at the sign and going, dad,

627
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: what does that mean? I'm like, trust me, by the

628
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: time you're old enough to understand, that'd be scrubbed off.

629
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 3: Horses love merrill.

630
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: Have you ever got hired with a horse? It's also

631
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: the best the horse turns into a unicorn. That's how

632
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: that invented. I did want to talk about just real quick.

633
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,959
Speaker 1: I did see one of your videos which was about

634
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: six dumping Tesla's. I know they've still kept the byds,

635
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: but it's an interesting one. And again I know this

636
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: feels like a real big dump on Tesla, but it does.

637
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: It does feel like an interesting one that the fact

638
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: that they've gone and kept one ev company and dumped

639
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: another one purely for what maintenance reasons or at.

640
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: The end of the day, Rental kind of hurts did

641
00:31:59,640 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: this as well.

642
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: Well.

643
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: It was even funnier when Hurtz did it because because

644
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: when Hertz announced this major acquisition in the United States

645
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: of Tesla's, it was like one hundred thousand Teslas and

646
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: Tesla's share price topped one trillion US dollars. So Elon

647
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: Musk's walking around with a big TP in his trousers

648
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: all day long. The CEO of Hurtz doubtless ditter, you know.

649
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 3: So it's like very aroused at that time. A few

650
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: years later, right, the reality has bitten. Tesla's had the

651
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: big price cut, there's been major depreciation problem. And this

652
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 3: is this is bad for individual owners, but it's a

653
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: disaster for car rental companies because they own, they buy

654
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: the car, and then they get rid of it, and

655
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: the difference in those costs times the number of cars

656
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: is very significant on their bottom line. And the other

657
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 3: thing with rental cars is punters crash them all the time,

658
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 3: and Tesla's are freaking expensive to repair, and both of

659
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: those things in concert it just ruined the deal for Hurtz.

660
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: But they all got their stiffies out of it and

661
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: they got their big valuation and now it's just time

662
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: for reality. You've got to pay up right, And the

663
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: same thing happened as sixth and it's just not a

664
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: viable thing EVA is currently. You look at the lineup

665
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 3: in Australia, there's a couple of affordable ones, right, but

666
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 3: they're really just rich virtuous Twats, Toys, Present Company, etcetera.

667
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, And I mean you just have a look

668
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: at the average Australian who is currently struggling to feed themselves,

669
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: and you want to go tell them to go buy

670
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: seventy thousand dollars EV suv because you're doing the right thing.

671
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 2: Like no, I actually would like to just feed the

672
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: family first.

673
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: And he's just driving around the kids in the back hungry.

674
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: But fuck them, I'm saving the world though, Dad can

675
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: have a snack. No, I'm too busy sorting out my

676
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: carbon footprint.

677
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but net zero right, cars like Arsenal transportation cars,

678
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: they call them quote unquote light vehicles, they're about ten

679
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 3: percent of our national emissions. And therefore, if we waved

680
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 3: Harry Potter's frigging let's call it wand at the whole

681
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: problem and changed every car to a Tesla tomorrow, and

682
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 3: it's like Oprah, You've got a Tesla, and you've got

683
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: a Tesla. All right, everyone's got a Tesla. Emissions improved

684
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: by ten percent. But we're still the world's biggest exporter

685
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 3: of coal and the world's biggest exporter of liquefied natural gas.

686
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: So that's not intensely hypocritical or anything, is it.

687
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: You know?

688
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 3: So if you wanted to divorce yourself from coal, you

689
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 3: could spend twenty grand and get a kick ass solar

690
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: array on the roof of your house and a decent battery,

691
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 3: and it would be a big battery, would be twenty

692
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: killer what hours for home system? You look at that

693
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 3: ridiculous Kia EV nine that's just been launched. It's got

694
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 3: a one hundred kilo what our battery? And this is

695
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 3: a Kia for a hundred thirty thousand dollars air ffes.

696
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: What do you think it looks? How did you how

697
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: did you hide Paul we just in.

698
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 2: The video of it recently, I said the exact same thing.

699
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: I actually like the way it looks.

700
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: I don't mind it visually.

701
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Seriously, it's the biggest hunk of shit.

702
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 3: Weighs two point six tons and it's five and a

703
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 3: half meters long.

704
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have the range. It weighs an enormous amount.

705
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: You're limited on towing capacity, You're limited on anything that

706
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 2: you want to do with it. You could buy a

707
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 2: top spec Carnival plus have an MX five or something

708
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: like two of them will I don't even know what

709
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: the numbers are.

710
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: By a Diesel Carnival, you could put a kick as

711
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: solar array on the roof and a battery on your house,

712
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: and you could live to all those Hireity of twenty

713
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 3: twenty four at the Marriott in a hot tub full

714
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 3: of cheerleaders.

715
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, hang on, I'm doing the masks on that account.

716
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: Six cheerleaders. Now. You said hot tub, right, okay, so

717
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: carry the too, carry the two Now where was that

718
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: such parlor? Again, that's not part of the I think

719
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: you're looking at a very specific customer with the with

720
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: the EV nine because, like all the things you just mentioned,

721
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, like on all that, and you still want

722
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: to spend one hundred and thirty grand on an ugly

723
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: looking fucking beast. But Seria does look good.

724
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 3: I'll say, how do you save the planet two point

725
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: six tons at a time? Like not possible? Right, What

726
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: Australia needs is an EV with about one hundred and

727
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 3: sixty k's of range that costs about thirty grand. Maybe

728
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty would be enough if it was

729
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: real range, because that'd be a let's see, thirty to

730
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 3: forty kilo what our battery. It'd be fun.

731
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: I think it's coming small amount. It'll be a light calf, it'll.

732
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 3: Be Yeah, you can call it, call it the HITOI

733
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 3: Ka doesn't need an EV nine, it needs a CHTOI yeah.

734
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: I like that.

735
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 3: We designed it in our studio in France.

736
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally.

737
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: I just look and for some people they'll want to

738
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: spend one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty because it's

739
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: the newest thing and it's it's great and all that

740
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. I think if you're buying it for

741
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 2: that reason, you can go buy whatever you want. That

742
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: people buy half a million dollar Porsch that is less

743
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 2: practical than a thirty thousand dollars case around.

744
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: None of these things have to be economically rational. There's

745
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 3: no case for economically economic rationalism of your house or

746
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: fashion items or any of that. Nobody ever says, oh,

747
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 3: my rolls. You know you don't justify that.

748
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: Yep.

749
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just when you try and justify it with

750
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 2: this virtuous stuff that it really all just falls apart.

751
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: So quickly.

752
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: I had some guy tell me about oh, well, you know,

753
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: I pointed out these deficiencies, and one of these geniuses

754
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 3: in the comments says, well, you can't have You can't

755
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 3: make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. And I

756
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: immediately went, well, where's your fucking omelet?

757
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: I want to see this omelet?

758
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you've got the extra cost, and you've got

759
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 3: the charging, like you have to do special ops planning

760
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 3: to charge on a long drive. That's not fun, and

761
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: you get yourself in situations where you're at a choke point.

762
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 3: If the next charger doesn't work, you're screwed. That's not fun.

763
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: It's okay if you're a motoring journalist and you just

764
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: make a call and go.

765
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: Bring the tow truck. Yeah, but if.

766
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 3: You just done to one hundred and thirty grand on

767
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: your new EV and you're in that situation that's very stressful.

768
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I was just going to ask you, then,

769
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: what do you think is the future? Then? Do you

770
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: think just sort of looking at what Toyota is doing

771
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: by delaying EV's I mean, that's a massive company, one

772
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: of the world's biggest car makers. You would think they

773
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: would have some idea of what's going on?

774
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: Do you reckon?

775
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: They've got the right idea about going hold on, We're

776
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 2: going to wait till battery tech improves. Is battery tech improving?

777
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: I mean you look at Tesla's the forty three eighty

778
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: CEL that still hasn't really materialized or brought any advantages.

779
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: But it's not really a tech change because there's still

780
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 3: a lithium based battery. Right. The tech doesn't change. There's

781
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: refinements of the tech, but there's no new battery tech.

782
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 3: New battery tech is a little bit like Elon Musk's

783
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 3: based on Mars that he promised in ten years and

784
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: twenty eleven, still about ten years away. Full autonomy is

785
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: twelve to eighteen months away, right, Fusion powers five to

786
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: ten years away. It's been like that since last twelve

787
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: years old. Right, it's that kind of thing. So you know,

788
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: lithium ion batteries were commercialized in the early nineties, so

789
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 3: we've had them for thirty years. The tech is mature,

790
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 3: that doesn't have a tremendous amount of refinement left. And

791
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: the thing is, you know, one of the reasons why

792
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 3: Porsche take hands burst into flames all the time comparatively,

793
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 3: it's because they're tuned for performance. They're tuned for a

794
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: high discharge rate. So you're in this box. If you're

795
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 3: the designer of a battery to do a particular job,

796
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 3: if you tweak it for discharge to make lots of

797
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 3: power quickly, you compromise other areas such as safety and reliability.

798
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 3: Right battery life, for example, if you tweak a battery

799
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: to accept a charge quickly, you compromise its life. All

800
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: engineering design is compromise based. You're in a box. You know,

801
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: when you.

802
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: Think about it, they're trying to meet every brief They've

803
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 2: got eight hundred volt architecture. They want it to charge

804
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: super fast, they want it to accelerate super fast, they

805
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: want it to do everything, which a battery at the

806
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: moment isn't really designed don't.

807
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: We all we want everything to do everything, and you can't.

808
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: The only problem is you can't have everything where would

809
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: you put it? So, in answer to your question, what's

810
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 3: the future, the future is largely internal combustion based, but

811
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 3: there will be an incremental increase in the number of

812
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: evs subject to the world's resources and the capacity to

813
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 3: produce the batteries, et cetera. Hydrogen's got a long way

814
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: to go because of the infrastructure. The reason we're doing

815
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: evs is because we've got the infrastructure more or less,

816
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 3: like we've got wires and we generate electricity. That's doable. Okay,

817
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: Hydrogen's got no infrastructure, so that's a much bigger challenge.

818
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: You use petrol stations. Yeah, I was going to say

819
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: it's a sham, hasn't You could do anything.

820
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 3: You could have a rays on the roofs of petrol

821
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 3: station with high pressure electrolyzers and you could manufacture it

822
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 3: on site from water. That's pretty easy to do. But

823
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: there's also the question of how green it actually is,

824
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: and there's that There's that European physicist, a chick who's

825
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: really good on YouTube. I forget what her name is,

826
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: but she's done a whole exhaustive thing, like she's she's

827
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: actually got real skin in the game of being a scientific,

828
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 3: full on genius. And the reality is that blue hydrogen,

829
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 3: green hydrogen, gray hydrogen. It's all pretty filthy, right. It's

830
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: just like when you drill down into batteries, they're pretty filthy.

831
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: There's no exhaust emission in the city. And if you

832
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 3: never studied STEM, that's all great, zero emissions, but it's

833
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: really not like that. And the other problem is if

834
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 3: you want to make new vehicles and solve this problem

835
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 3: with new vehicles, you have to make the vehicles, so

836
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 3: you need the steel and the aluminium and the glass

837
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 3: and the plastics and the paint and all that stuff.

838
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 3: And none of that's clean and free either.

839
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: Do you think It's almost like ev the pr of

840
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: ev worldwide got so excited too soon. It's almost like

841
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,240
Speaker 1: we progressed on the evolution of this thing without really

842
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: taking our time, because there are a lot of faults,

843
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: as we've talked about for the last half an hour

844
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: in this thing.

845
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: If the problem is CO two, and it seems to me,

846
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: like I'm not a climate scientist, but it seems to

847
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: me that the problem is CO two and therefore it

848
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 3: seems to me that one of the best things we

849
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 3: can do is be as efficient as possible with our

850
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: use of limited hydrocarbon resources that would reduce the amount

851
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: of CO two being liberated into the atmosphere. For disambiguation,

852
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: hydrocarbons are coal, natural gas, and oil, not just the

853
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: fuel that you put into your car. It's when you

854
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: turn on the lights in Australia, it's all that coal

855
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 3: and burn and it's gas as well. And you need, like,

856
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 3: you need all of this stuff for industry, and we

857
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: have to have an advanced civilization that's not optional. So

858
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: we need concrete, and we need ammonia, and we need steel,

859
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 3: and all of these things are energy intensive mother lovers

860
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: to make. And I don't want to go back to

861
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: a world without steel or concrete because we're all going

862
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 3: to be sitting on the dirt floor.

863
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing that kind of blows my mind

864
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: with all of this. People want this green, carbon zero world,

865
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: but they are not willing to make any of the compromises.

866
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 2: Because if I said to you, okay, you really want

867
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: to be carbon friendly, ride a bus with fifty other people.

868
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: So that is the best way to do it instead

869
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 2: of you driving in a single vehicle, whether it's get

870
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: on train.

871
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: No one's willing to do that.

872
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: Don't buy a phone because it's full of ye they

873
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: need to make, but no one's willing to do that.

874
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: So it's like this selective.

875
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 3: Live closer to work, that's right.

876
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's this selective thing where people want to everything.

877
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 2: It's like that battery situation. They want everything but can't

878
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 2: get everything.

879
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 3: I've had people say to me. I say this kind

880
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: of thing routinely on my channel, and people say, oh,

881
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: the problems just the world's overpopulated, And I'm going, so

882
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 3: you're volunteering to be part of the solution exactly, we

883
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 3: can organize it like to remove yourself from the pool.

884
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to be part of the solution because the

885
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 3: solution is unpalatable. You buy a smaller car.

886
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: Nobody wants a smaller Heavens, everyone wants, you.

887
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: Know, if you can afford a Model S, you buy

888
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: a Model S or an EV nine or a cyber urinal.

889
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: It literally it does look like a big, old pissed truck,

890
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: doesn't It.

891
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 3: Was inspired by a railway urinal. I'm sure.

892
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: I look at the way they're doing this and they have,

893
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: you're right with the influencers. It's an interesting tactic show

894
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: everyone the cyber truck with influencers because I think people

895
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: who already hate it have made up their mind. So

896
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: if you get a car journalist in there and going, well,

897
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: fucking look at the gaps here, look at this, look

898
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: at this the video is I'm kicking it. Oh, mate

899
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: who hates it is sitting there going yeah, see, I

900
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: fucking told you so, blah blah blahlah blah. But if

901
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: you get people who are and let's be honest, like

902
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: Matt Watson, for instance, from karwaw, he's actually pretty good.

903
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: He's somewhat balanced, but he's even like jizzing on this thing, right,

904
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: but it's content, right, it's kr waw. So he's not

905
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: doing it on his own thing. He's very much on

906
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: the influencer path of this, and so I think they're

907
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: kind of showing it off to people who already love it,

908
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: like they're controlling the narrative.

909
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 3: How long do you reckon it's going to be until

910
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 3: some influencer in Marraca gets one of his mates with

911
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 3: an aar and it all ends badly.

912
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was thinking, because it was Tesla

913
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: that started marketing the fact that it's bulletproof, and you're

914
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: going to get some idiot who will go they said

915
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 2: it was, so sit inside it and someone will end

916
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: up getting hurt, because it's one of those claims that

917
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 2: even if it wasn't, don't tell people it's bulletproof because

918
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: they're stupid people out there. They say that armored cars

919
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: are bulletproof, but they only sell those to governments and

920
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 2: people that actually need a bulletproof.

921
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: Sitting in the test car and shootout exactly. Here's our

922
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 3: certification for this level of protection.

923
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: So I don't think I wanted to touch it.

924
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 2: And I know this whole episode sounds like hating on

925
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: EV's and I'm sorry if it.

926
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 3: Dies for disambiguation. I don't hate evs either, but I

927
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: freaking hate the way society is a lab for a

928
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 3: whole bunch of unproven things, Like there was a massive

929
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 3: truck fire in your about.

930
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 2: EV fires, I'm curious about that. Yeah, so tell me

931
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: what you know about the truck fire for example.

932
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 3: Well, that truck was a truck owned by Sament Australia.

933
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: It's a relatively modern but not new Kenworth and it's

934
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: been modified by a company at Centerlink by the cup

935
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 3: here to have six hundred killer what hours of swappable

936
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 3: batteries in it. There's three packs. Two of the packs

937
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: go in where the fuel tanks would conventionally be between

938
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: the front wheels and the drive wheels of the prime mover,

939
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: and one battery pack goes under the hood so to speak. Right,

940
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 3: So these batteries are they must be air cooled. I

941
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 3: don't see them being liquid cooled if they're swappable by forklift, right,

942
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 3: and one of them obviously overheated. Okay. The most hilarious

943
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 3: thing about this is the retrofitting of the battery conversion

944
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 3: was funded by the taxpayer, so we all paid for that.

945
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: Lovely.

946
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 3: That was a hugely entertaining spectacle on the Westgate Freeway,

947
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 3: and the most likely explanation for that failure is that

948
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 3: the truck has got a full trailer of cement. It

949
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: climbs the Westgate Bridge and that requires a It's a

950
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 3: pretty high bridge, so it requires a pretty serious discharge

951
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 3: on the battery generates a lot of heat. A few

952
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 3: hundred meters later, near the Todd Road exit, it catches

953
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 3: fire because the battery is in catastrophic therm or runaway,

954
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: and then the road is shut for like twelve hours.

955
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 3: And it's just a hasmat hilarious experience that when these

956
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 3: things burn there are clouds of hydrofluoric acid, hydrochloric acid,

957
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: carbon monoxide, and cobalt compounds, none of which you want

958
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 3: to be near. It's all bad shit to breathe. The

959
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: cobalt is just bad to get on your skin. You

960
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 3: don't even have to breathe it. So I don't think

961
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 3: we should be using society as a laboratory and ambient

962
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 3: motorists and business owners as labrats. That sucks. That would

963
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 3: be like Boeing designing a new plane, building a prototype

964
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 3: and then booking paying passengers from Sydney to London. That's

965
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: unfreaking acceptable. So this is kind of where we're at.

966
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: We don't have appropriate countermeasures for fires right of any

967
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 3: ev in parks and all of that stuff. And you know,

968
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: the religious ev evangelist types will say, oh, but EV's

969
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: don't catch fire nearly as often, and therefore that's okay.

970
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 3: It's not really okay if it's a lower probability event

971
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: and you just happen to be in it with your

972
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: family and the basement of some car park and the

973
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 3: sprinkler systems not cutting it. That sucks.

974
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 2: I'm wondering as well that I hear that used a

975
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: lot where they say that there's a per hundred thousand.

976
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: There's less EV fires when you think about it, though

977
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,479
Speaker 2: they're over the past five or ten years. There are

978
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 2: less old evs than there are less old cars. So

979
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: I wonder if that number of cars that have caught

980
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: fire that are internal combustion are perhaps just old cars

981
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: that have caught fire, whereas we're getting less EV fires

982
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 2: because majority of them are new.

983
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 3: Your vehicles are more reliable. But this will do your

984
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 3: head into what's the number one cause of vehicle fires?

985
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: Don't know?

986
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 3: Awesome?

987
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: Oh really, there you go.

988
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 3: What's the number two cause? Ye crashes? Yeah, okay, that's

989
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: not really powertrain specific.

990
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, stuff that happens.

991
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's that, and then there's do you remember

992
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 3: there was a fire of a battery pack that had

993
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: been removed from an MG.

994
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: The shadow of the car park. Yeah.

995
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, So this was a rental car holding yard and

996
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, it's a couple of geniuses at the

997
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 3: rental car holding yard pulled a battery out of a

998
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 3: damaged battery out of an EVA and just sat it

999
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: on the ground for whatever length of time and it

1000
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 3: got rained on and all those things. Just shouldn't do

1001
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 3: it to a battery. There's and it took out five cars,

1002
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: including the car that donated the battery, but four other

1003
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 3: combustion cars are out. Is that a case of one

1004
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: EV fire and four combustion fis? Come on?

1005
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's that's all. Yeah, it's all very valid.

1006
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: And I saw your stuff with the the Reno in

1007
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: the jeeps that had the exposed battery within the vehicle.

1008
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:00,439
Speaker 1: That that blow my mind.

1009
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 2: It'd be the same as having a fuel tank with

1010
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: a sort of lid that was screwed on under the seat,

1011
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: just leaking gases into the castle. When you lit up

1012
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 2: a fag, the whole thing went up.

1013
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 3: This is what I mean about regulations and using society

1014
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 3: as a lab You shouldn't do that. See, there are

1015
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 3: building regulations about gas. If you've got gas in a building,

1016
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 3: like methane, like natural gas, there are regulations about what

1017
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 3: sort of pipes it has to be in and all

1018
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 3: of that kind of stuff that's taken care of when

1019
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 3: you look at a petrol station, there's all of these

1020
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 3: regulations about how that place has got to be constructed

1021
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 3: to minimize the risk, right, And petrol stations are pretty

1022
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 3: safe places for this reason. It's fucking dangerous stuff, but

1023
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 3: petrol station's pretty safe. What we're doing here is we're

1024
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 3: implementing this technology and allowing manufacturers to write the standards

1025
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 3: as they go. And therefore the Wrangler four ye doesn't

1026
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: have a physical flaw. And the floor of the rear

1027
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 3: seat is the top of the battery case, which freaking sucks, obviously.

1028
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 3: And in a combustion car, they've got this cute thing

1029
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: called a firewall. It's called that for a reason. Right,

1030
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: the Wrangler doesn't have a firefloor. That's a design deficiency.

1031
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 2: Right.

1032
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,720
Speaker 3: You need a fire floor between you and the battery.

1033
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: You can watch this video and just seeing the roof

1034
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: of this car just fly into the air as the

1035
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 2: gases build up, it is.

1036
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 3: Just it spends a lot of time airborne and it

1037
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 3: comes down freakin' hard and heavy. The other thing is

1038
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 3: there's a whole bunch of firefighters right there. They spent

1039
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: two minutes irrigating aggressively. Inside. They had two lines running

1040
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: inside the passenger compartment. This vehicle was parked, and the

1041
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 3: battery still exploded in It was a deflagration, not a detonation,

1042
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 3: but it was still explosive enough to propel the roof

1043
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 3: off the vehicle and then down just a few meters away.

1044
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 3: And there was another one in Colorado where Arangler four

1045
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 3: ye was inside a single car garage in a private

1046
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 3: house and the firefighters just standing there. The captain of

1047
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 3: the firefighters are standing there and the rest of them

1048
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: are all around looking into the smoke alarm that they'd

1049
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 3: been called to, and the garage door. You do it,

1050
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 3: frame by frame. The garage door just bulges out. I've

1051
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 3: this and it flies at him and hits him on

1052
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: the head. He's like five or ten meters away, and

1053
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 3: he's luck. He's wearing his helmet because the helmet's got

1054
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 3: a big gouge in it, and the helmet comes off

1055
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 3: and he's okay.

1056
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: So it's crazy watching that door actually just explode off

1057
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: the house because it looks like something supernatural.

1058
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 3: It looks like it looks like VFX in the movies.

1059
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's phenomenal, but that actually happens. Yeah, I

1060
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: wonder where the technology is with with like these fire

1061
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 1: departments being out of smother ev fires.

1062
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 3: You don't smother them, well, you can't smother them becaurse

1063
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 3: when the battery overheats and the electrolyte inside the battery decomposes,

1064
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 3: part of what it decomposes into is oxygen gas. So

1065
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 3: most conventional firefighting, like if you've got an incinerator in

1066
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 3: your backyard and you're burning paper or water or something

1067
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 3: and it gets a little bit hot, you want to

1068
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 3: put it out. You get the garden hose and it deprives.

1069
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 3: It sucks the water, sucks the heat out, and deprives

1070
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: the burning material of access to atmospheric oxygen. You can't

1071
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 3: do that with a battery because often you can't get

1072
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 3: to the battery and even if you could, it's making

1073
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: its own oxygen.

1074
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, there would be obviously, I don't know, fire departments,

1075
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: fire regulators, all that sort of stuff working on this

1076
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: sort of thing, you know what I mean.

1077
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: Internally you all have an intense discussions, but externally they're going, ah,

1078
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 3: she's all good, dude, Yeah, it's a safe.

1079
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: But there's no answer. That's the problem.

1080
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: It's not as if they could change the regulations tomorrow.

1081
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,399
Speaker 2: And it would fix everything because.

1082
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 3: Here's a different kind of foam. Yeah, that's that's it.

1083
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: You're using the wrong one, you idiot.

1084
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 3: Someone said to me, it's really simple. We'll just use

1085
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 3: liquid nitrogen to put them out. Okay, I've got Oh yeah,

1086
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 3: we'll just use liquid.

1087
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: Because you ever.

1088
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 3: Played around with liquid?

1089
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: That's it. Exactly where we're going to go.

1090
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 3: Liquid nitrogen rus that's right.

1091
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: One of those in Gaza.

1092
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 3: Could freaking liquid nitrogen. You can't even store it in

1093
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 3: a sealed containing You've got to leave. You've got to

1094
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 3: they're called duas those containers. It has to keep evaporating

1095
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 3: otherwise the container over pressurizes and explodes. And what are

1096
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: you going to do? Run it hundreds of meters through

1097
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 3: a building in a sprinkler system.

1098
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 2: Luck with that the ev fires out, but the building

1099
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 2: collapse just because of a giant explosion.

1100
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: Because of a giant icicle.

1101
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: Imagine that.

1102
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 2: It is genuinely thing. You can't just tomorrow do it.

1103
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 2: Because people need to park their cars at home. You

1104
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: can't just say, oh, you can't park in a garrete.

1105
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: I live in an apartment building. What do you want

1106
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: me to Where else are you going to park out?

1107
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 2: On the road or something. So there is no easy solution.

1108
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 2: I think that we're going to get to a tipping

1109
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: point soon where someone needs to come up with something

1110
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 2: or to say no, you can't do this or you

1111
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: can do that. And this is an issue globally as well,

1112
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 2: so that's right.

1113
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: I think we're going to start to see this crack

1114
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: down a little bit though, because I mean even little

1115
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: name things like electric e bikes and scooters. You saw

1116
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: that that's the Uber drivers. Actually it was a three

1117
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: was a sharehouse of three blokes and they are all

1118
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: Uber delivery guys. So they had their e bikes charging

1119
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: and one of them's got serious burns. The other two escapes.

1120
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 3: But he's the problem with You've got to say to yourself,

1121
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 3: we've had this technology for thirty years, right, lithium ion batteries,

1122
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: so why hasn't why don't power tools explode all the time?

1123
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 3: And the answer is because they don't have very much

1124
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 3: energy and they don't discharge very fast, so they don't

1125
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 3: get very hot. When you're talking about devices like bikes,

1126
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 3: they're often made on the cheap in China. They're also

1127
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 3: amenable too mechanical damage because they're push bikes and they

1128
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 3: get ridden in the wet so they get wet internally.

1129
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 3: If they're not sealed, like if they're not IPX eight

1130
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 3: rated or something IPX seven or whatever it is, then

1131
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 3: that really is a problem. And it's a similar problem

1132
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 3: for cars because you're talking earlier about cars getting older.

1133
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 3: One of the things about cars getting older is people

1134
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 3: not off and they nudge something underneath, they go over

1135
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 3: the median strip occasionally, or truck loses something and they

1136
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 3: go over whatever the truck loses, and cars still going okay.

1137
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 3: They think it's okay, and then six hours later it's

1138
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 3: parked in the garage and have a thermal runaway.

1139
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's what's probably going to propagate

1140
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: all of this. It's the e bikes and all that stuff,

1141
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 2: because pauses that causes is I guess what I'm trying

1142
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 2: to say is that's more an immediate threat because they're

1143
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: manufactured to a lower standard than.

1144
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: An electric vehicle.

1145
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: Typically some of them obviously have design floors, but for

1146
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: the better part there's a lot of engineers that sit

1147
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: there and go, Okay, how's this going to work?

1148
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 3: Well, what battery management system in a n EE bike? Right,

1149
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 3: what cooling system.

1150
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 2: Like a BMS on a car is highly sophisticated. There'll

1151
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: be a lot of circuit breakers, there'd be a lot

1152
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 2: of mitigation points to stop something going wrong before it does.

1153
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: But on a knee bike.

1154
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 3: There's a freaking liquid cooling system that kicks in. Like

1155
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: you're charging the car and all of a sudden you

1156
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 3: hear a whirring sound. That's the cooling system. The battery's

1157
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 3: just gone. I've reached the threshold.

1158
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: Can we charging cables as well too? I remember when

1159
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: Trevor was coming in, he was telling us about, like

1160
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: a lot of the forums on people who own certain evs,

1161
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, my cable's fucked. I can't afford you know,

1162
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Oh just get this one off eBay,

1163
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: Like literally, what are you doing? Ali, don't do that?

1164
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the manufacturer one that's four hundred bucks, Ali Barble

1165
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 3: will send me, sell me one for twenty five ninety nine.

1166
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 1: It's the same as tires were two weeks later. What's

1167
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: that smell? That's my memories burning up in flame. But

1168
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: it's like tires, people skipping on tires.

1169
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: Like this is the only shit that connects you to

1170
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 2: the road and you want to go get a set

1171
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: of chang Lings or something like that, because they're now.

1172
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: But if you can afford the cable, you don't want

1173
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 3: to buy the cable.

1174
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: You can't can afford it.

1175
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 3: You just paid seventy grand for your EVO whatever.

1176
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, anyway, all right, enough shitting on EV's

1177
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 2: for the moment. I want to just run through a

1178
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: few of the questions that we got from last time

1179
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 2: you were here, And I'll start off with this one

1180
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 2: because it looks like it comes from a blog. He's

1181
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 2: asked if you're married.

1182
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 3: Well, I'm on the record on my channels. I'm very

1183
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 3: good at being married, actually having done it six times

1184
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 3: five XY's one current wife. No plans to upgrade at

1185
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 3: this point.

1186
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: I've always thought of you as a bit like Elizabeth Taylor.

1187
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: I'll give you just multiple partners.

1188
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 3: Well, it's like this my other website, marriage Expert up.

1189
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: Who do you want to get relationship advice from someone

1190
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 3: who's only been married once?

1191
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 1: Like that?

1192
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 3: What do they know?

1193
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: Nothing? What a weird question there, just in the group.

1194
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 3: I'm glad we got the.

1195
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: Anyway, Actually, just on that, I actually no kid.

1196
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 3: We started with the most important question how do you

1197
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 3: know that's from a bloke. It could be from a chick.

1198
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 3: I looked at his profile picture, Trevor, I guarantee exactly.

1199
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: Hey, it could be a reverse catfish where they're actually

1200
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 2: like a supermodel or something.

1201
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: Either. You should look into that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you

1202
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 1: know that's Trevor Long sitting in his fucking cool pra

1203
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: going are you married.

1204
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 2: We had someone ask and I can't remember if we

1205
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: went through this in the episode, they asked whether your

1206
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: studio is real or a green screen? It's real?

1207
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 3: Background is It's just it's just like everyone else's garage.

1208
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 3: But it's a character, so I have to call it

1209
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 3: the fat Cave. And it's only got one additional function

1210
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 3: most people's garages have. I guess they've got three functions,

1211
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 3: which would be to store a car, to do a

1212
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 3: bit of home maintenance, and other sort of workshop type stuff.

1213
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 3: And mine is also a gym, so there's those three.

1214
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 3: But it's a studio as well.

1215
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: So I always like, I always watch those videos and

1216
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: I come out of it thinking, fuck, I wish I

1217
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: had a neighbor like John. It'd be like this grumpy

1218
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: prick that would come out of the garage door would

1219
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: go up, and you'd just be like looking over my backyard, going,

1220
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: what are you fucking doing it like that? For your

1221
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: little shit? You know't do it like that? And then

1222
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: well you have a couple of beers and you give

1223
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: me the right advice and everything's good.

1224
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1225
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be welding and cutting everything up, and because

1226
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 3: I couldn't tolerate the way you were going to do it.

1227
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, you'd be doing it for me. I'd be going, hey,

1228
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: can you put this flat pack together like flap pack?

1229
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 2: Someone else has asked how you make money and whether

1230
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: it's just from YouTube.

1231
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: No, I don't know if that's what you want to

1232
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: answer it.

1233
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 3: No, that's fine. YouTube is part of my income stream,

1234
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 3: but seeing new cars for people is a substantial part

1235
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 3: of it. Nova at least thing is a substantial part

1236
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 3: of it. Sponsored segments or a substantial part of it.

1237
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 3: I've got a gift for you guys too, speaking. Yeah,

1238
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 3: hang on, we'll do this. We'll do the rest of

1239
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:17,920
Speaker 3: these comments first, because this is gripping stuff.

1240
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: I need a new flashlight, so yes, I need.

1241
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 3: To given what enthusiastic I need one.

1242
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 1: For the front of the back.

1243
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: Let me scroll through these you guys talk amongst.

1244
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: Actually, do you know what you did let me down

1245
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: in a recent video? I have to say, like, yeah,

1246
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: big time.

1247
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that happens a lot.

1248
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: No, but it wasn't a Snapchat video, don't worry it was.

1249
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 1: It was, but it was close. I saw like five minutes,

1250
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: what was you going to review the Manscape five point zero?

1251
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: And I got fucking he's gone for five minutes, And

1252
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: I thought, all right, I'll click on this. You're going

1253
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: to have your old fellow like wristwatching over and you're

1254
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: like really going to shave up your dick.

1255
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 3: No, it was the full you obviously didn't watch to

1256
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 3: the end. No, because it was the full O H

1257
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 3: and S tripping as a risk mitigation, sure, yeah, sure,

1258
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 3: over your deck or the cord. Yes, yes, all of

1259
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 3: the above. Manscape is an extremely interesting concept to me

1260
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 3: because when I think Manscape Ambassador, I get a picture

1261
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 3: in my head. It ain't me.

1262
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: They tried to get Trevor Long on board with that,

1263
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: but it just kept getting caught in his nipple head.

1264
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 3: I just love the opportunity with Manscape to do the

1265
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 3: play on.

1266
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: Words thing, right, like ball deodorant, Like.

1267
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 3: These two products are essentially the Batman and Robin for

1268
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 3: your dynamic duo.

1269
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, look, the rest of these I can't

1270
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 2: find the other question. The rest of these were actually

1271
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 2: just really quite positive comments.

1272
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: About a lot of We've got a lot of people

1273
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 1: asking to come for you to come on regularly, actually

1274
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: really yeah, and ditch Trevor, but people.

1275
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 3: With no life.

1276
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: Actually this one is quite good.

1277
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 2: So hi Paul, mate, I don't know you from a bar.

1278
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 2: So I used to watch John Kodogan and think he

1279
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 2: was a funny dude and hung on to every word

1280
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 2: he said. It's going good so far, And I too

1281
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 2: bracket like him.

1282
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: I own a m R. Triton close bracket.

1283
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 3: But mate, there's a butt here.

1284
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:13,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1285
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: But mate, I've come to a recent conclusion that he's

1286
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 2: an absolute wanker. And yes, I've just ordered oh my god.

1287
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 2: Oh this was on the back of the Amorrock thing.

1288
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 2: So the purpose of this message is not to mass

1289
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 2: out your ego, but to confirm any thoughts you may

1290
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: have had about this guy's status as an A grade dickhead.

1291
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 3: Well, I've always aspired to you know, here's the thing

1292
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 3: that's good. He's the thing to people of this nature, right,

1293
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 3: because I'm all for that, that kind of comment, that's

1294
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 3: that's great. And you know what I note about that,

1295
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 3: He's one of my most engaged viewers.

1296
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 3: And my enemy is not I'm not on a better

1298
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 3: way to put this is, I'm not on a mad

1299
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 3: quest to be liked. Come on, dude. My enemy is indifference.

1300
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 3: I hate the thought of somebody being indifferent. If you

1301
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 3: get a reaction out of somebody, and in particular, if

1302
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 3: somebody is offended or confronted by something, I say, then

1303
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 3: that's good because in the olden days before we're all

1304
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 3: total fucking sooks about being offended, when you were offended,

1305
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 3: it was an opportunity. It was like reality knocking on

1306
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 3: the door and saying, hey, you might like to go

1307
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 3: on a voyage of internal discovery about why you're offended, right,

1308
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 3: because either he's a dickhead who's wrong, or you're a

1309
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 3: dickhead who's wrong, or you might just need to recalibrate

1310
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 3: your perception of this or that and not just have

1311
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 3: some emotional reaction to something because you don't like it,

1312
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 3: because the facts don't give a shit whether you like

1313
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 3: them or not. As that with that, I kind of

1314
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 3: dig that. I kind of like it when people go,

1315
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 3: are you fucking wrong? Mate? You know in it ain't

1316
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 3: shit from claim about Like if somebody is saying that

1317
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,959
Speaker 3: to you, they're engaged, so most of the battle is won,

1318
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 3: and then it's just well, how do I It's like

1319
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 3: on radio. I used to work on radio, and very

1320
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 3: click quickly dawned on me that the callers, the purpose

1321
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 3: of responding to a caller wasn't for the caller. It's

1322
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 3: for everyone else.

1323
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's entertainment, right, yeah, it's how.

1324
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 3: Can I make this good in some way? Like I

1325
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 3: remember in the middle of the night, we had some

1326
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,400
Speaker 3: woman who had a problem with a hot water right

1327
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 3: in a unit, and I'm going I kill me now,

1328
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 3: I'm going, well, can't you just get down there's a

1329
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 3: there's a stopcock on a hot water system and you

1330
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 3: just get down you you know, you turn that off

1331
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 3: and then you won't have water.

1332
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: She wanted you to come around to her house, so

1333
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: can you just.

1334
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 3: Can you just see if there's some sort of tap

1335
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 3: looking thing down there? And she said, I've got another problem.

1336
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 3: I go what she goes, I'm blind? I oh fuck man?

1337
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 3: Agree difficulty nine point nine. So we went to a

1338
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 3: break and I got the producer to call the Fieries

1339
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 3: brilliant and they came over and fixed the problem, turned

1340
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 3: the stopcock off and stopped the water. We called her

1341
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 3: back and I felt really good after that. Hilarious, But

1342
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 3: that's like, it's not always just about exploiting someone, It's

1343
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 3: about how can you use this, how can it be

1344
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 3: part of a narrative?

1345
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 2: You know, It's interesting after nine merged with Fairfax, they

1346
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 2: took over Macquarie, the shafted a lot of radio presenters

1347
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 2: that had been there for quite a long time and

1348
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 2: then installed nine cronies in there, and it's interesting to

1349
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 2: see that revolving door at the moment. Basically, all these

1350
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 2: people they put in, they Gordyill from the radio world.

1351
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: They realized that none of them really.

1352
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 2: Worked because they were kind of okay on TV and

1353
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 2: didn't really work out here. But it is interesting in

1354
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 2: that radio world, they really don't want anyone that is

1355
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 2: super polarizing. And then when they mergers and acquisitions happen

1356
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 2: and you get managers coming, they just want to shake

1357
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 2: something up to make it look like they're doing something,

1358
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you have these idiots

1359
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 2: come on and host radio shows they know nothing about,

1360
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 2: and then you end up in the scenario now where

1361
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 2: half of them are no longer doing the radio thing anymore.

1362
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 3: So when I worked at TUE, which is basically defunct now,

1363
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 3: at about this time, maybe three or four weeks earlier,

1364
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,640
Speaker 3: there were all these people they'd have auditioned for the

1365
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 3: summer slots and macause all the regular presenters will be

1366
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,879
Speaker 3: taking time off, and half of them were from TV

1367
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 3: and they were all hopeless. Yeah, absolutely, they were all dead,

1368
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 3: said hopeless. And when you go to TV and you

1369
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 3: see how that works, even if you're doing live TV,

1370
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 3: Like I remember once I was doing a live thing

1371
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:50,400
Speaker 3: on weekend Sunrise and it was just a news report

1372
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 3: about a bad crash that had happened on a holiday weekend,

1373
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 3: and they wanted thirty seconds, and I said, well, I'll

1374
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 3: just write a thirty second script and read it into

1375
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 3: the prompter at the news desk. So I do that.

1376
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 3: They've got a driver for the prompter. Any muppet can

1377
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 3: do that, Like it's thirty seconds, and I just read

1378
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 3: it on the prompter and as I'm reading it, the

1379
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 3: driver in the control room is just scrolling the prompter

1380
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 3: for me. Right, and this is for thirty seconds. When

1381
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 3: I do a segment, I read the prompter for fifteen minutes,

1382
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 3: and I've got to drive it, so I just pause

1383
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 3: it when it needs to pause.

1384
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: I've got a little like a handheld.

1385
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 3: He's a whiless keyboard, you know. I just use the

1386
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 3: space bar to start and stop.

1387
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 2: Actually, there's another question I just came up with. So

1388
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 2: you're reading off for a prompter. Yeah, you come up

1389
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:36,799
Speaker 2: with all your witty stuff.

1390
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 3: When I'm at Darth Vader in the background over my shoulder,

1391
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 3: I'm reading that. I'm generally reading the prompter. And the

1392
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,759
Speaker 3: reason I do that is because, oh there's a couple

1393
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 3: of reasons, like some of these convoluted jokes are hard

1394
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 3: to remember, and they're really that they really require sequencing.

1395
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 3: And it's not like Eddieza does the same show for

1396
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 3: six months. This is like different jokes about a different

1397
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 3: thing every day. Right. So when I did that one

1398
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 3: about Janus Electric because I called him j Anos j

1399
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 3: Anos and a comment I got back to me and said,

1400
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 3: I think the jay is silent. I thought, that's fucking hilarious.

1401
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 3: And one of the one of the ways you can

1402
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 3: you can do humor is you can do yeah, And right,

1403
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 3: I thought, what about yeah? And I actually spoke to

1404
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 3: the founder, right, Hugh, Hugh Janus, And so I did

1405
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 3: this whole riff on Hugh Janus, and part of it

1406
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 3: was part of it was Johnny Cash, boy named Sue,

1407
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 3: but it was boy named Hugh. He learned to fight,

1408
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 3: and his wits got hard, and his fist got hard,

1409
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 3: and his wits got keen, and he moved Rome from

1410
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 3: town to town to hide his fucking shame and all

1411
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 3: this stuff. Then I said, he became a baker, you

1412
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 3: know down at when he's sexy Land at Morphet Vale

1413
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 3: there in South Australia. People come from all over to

1414
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:04,920
Speaker 3: see bakery. Hugeanus has big buns twenty years in a row.

1415
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 3: Now he's got the best chocolate log in all of more.

1416
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: So, if you've got to do that, yeah, it has

1417
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: to be.

1418
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 3: It's going to be the promptery.

1419
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: Is there anything that's.

1420
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 2: Too hot for YouTube that you've got to slap on

1421
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 2: the wrist from YouTube for.

1422
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: I've had a.

1423
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,480
Speaker 3: Few videos demonetized, but that's really.

1424
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: Just okay, So it's Ai that's going.

1425
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just AI doing that. So I haven't had

1426
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 3: a video demonetized for ages now, so I must be

1427
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 3: well within the box there. I hardly ever criticize individuals

1428
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 3: because that opens the door to defamation. But a car

1429
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 3: company can't defame you, so you know, they can send

1430
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 3: you one hundred transcripts, that's fine, But you can't defame

1431
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,919
Speaker 3: a carmaker. You can't defame a vehicle. There's an obscure

1432
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 3: tort called injurious falsehood that they can threaten you with,

1433
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 3: but the standard of proof is very high, Like they've

1434
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 3: got to prove that when you defame somebody, or when

1435
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 3: somebody takes action against you for allegedly defaming them, and

1436
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 3: you want to rely on truth is a defense, the

1437
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 3: burden of proof is on you. You got to prove

1438
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 3: that what you said was true. That was pivotal in

1439
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 3: the Ben Robert Smith case. So the reverse is true

1440
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 3: in injurious falsehood because the burden of proof is on them.

1441
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 3: They have to prove it's false, they have to prove

1442
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 3: that you acted with malice, and they have to prove

1443
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 3: that they suffer damages. So unless they can prove all

1444
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 3: three of those things, it's not going to get up,

1445
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 3: you know. So it's usually just a threat. But carmakers

1446
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 3: are just often hysterical tantrum mongers. They just don't like

1447
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 3: being criticized. They get that. But you shouldn't shoot the

1448
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 3: reporter if what you say is fucking stupid.

1449
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,719
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, man, if something's true and you're talking about

1450
01:12:58,760 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 2: it better.

1451
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 3: Or even if it's just your opinion, because honest opinion

1452
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 3: is a defense. And that's how restaurant critics get away

1453
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 3: with it because was the food good, Well, that's fairly

1454
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,440
Speaker 3: subjective unless it kills one hundred people, then it's objectively

1455
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 3: true that it's bad. But so it's kind of that.

1456
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: It's an interesting one to hear about car companies like

1457
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: just being absolute fucking so thingy about opinions or even

1458
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,559
Speaker 1: content pieces like I guarantee you that clip that went

1459
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: viral with the cyber truck beating the Porsche towing another

1460
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: Porsche that was a Karwow piece, and I guarantee you Now,

1461
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,799
Speaker 1: there would be some pretty heavy letters from the people

1462
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 1: at Porsche to KRWOW, But can I just say one thing.

1463
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: They would have ignored everything in like the last two

1464
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: months of Karwaw just jizzing all over Porsche with like

1465
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,559
Speaker 1: the GT three rs and all that sort of stuff.

1466
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 2: I don't think they would actually care because if you

1467
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 2: look at that, anyone that has half a brain looks

1468
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 2: at that video and realizes it's a base Porsche or

1469
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 2: a Carrera Tea or something, it's it's a real well drive. Yeah,

1470
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 2: nothing up against an all wheel drive flagship. It's like,

1471
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 2: all right, we'll go get a nine to eleven turbo

1472
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 2: and then see if it does the same thing.

1473
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: It is such a.

1474
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 2: That's that's what irritated me with those videos, even the

1475
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 2: sled pulling thing that they did. You're not proving anything here.

1476
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 2: What I need you to prove is how far it'll

1477
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,799
Speaker 2: tow and what it'll actually toe over a certain distance.

1478
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 3: Nobody in the real world gives a shit how quickly

1479
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,000
Speaker 3: it toes something four hundred meters.

1480
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: That's it, right, They've done.

1481
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 3: That shit about the bulletproofing ye aspect of.

1482
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's the problem they're going to have.

1483
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 2: The core thing with the rest of their performance cars

1484
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 2: was yeah, fast in a straight line. It was kind

1485
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 2: of acceptable that that's the thing. You're kind of ticking

1486
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 2: the box on fast in a straight line for a

1487
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 2: big uit is okay, that's half a box tick. But

1488
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 2: the rest of it, it can't actually do. So that's

1489
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 2: where you've got your bigger issue.

1490
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: But I think that's hard. That's the point I'm making.

1491
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,880
Speaker 1: It's like they're putting out all these sparkly, little snackable

1492
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: pieces because I don't think they're necessarily really trying to

1493
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 1: impress the full on car guys. I think they're trying

1494
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: to impress the kind of ignorant. You're repressing the guy

1495
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:10,920
Speaker 1: that ship looks cool. I've got the money for that,

1496
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:13,599
Speaker 1: don't fucking buy that. Yeah, but they're repressing the guy

1497
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: that wants to be seen in that. One of the.

1498
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 3: First owners was a co founder of Reddit, so he

1499
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 3: was obviously hand picked, and his quote was words of

1500
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 3: the effect of there's lots and lots of like so far,

1501
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 3: and I'm going to be the coolest dad dropping my

1502
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 3: daughter at school and that's the main thing. And I've gone,

1503
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 3: you vacuous twap, you know, like, if that's the only

1504
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 3: way you can be a cool dad, harder, if you

1505
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:42,680
Speaker 3: can only do it with a product.

1506
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: Taking soccer once in a while, and unless.

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01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 3: Some dad turns up drops kid off in a Blackhawk,

1508
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 3: we're still win.

1509
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 1: We're fuck you. Watch it'll be on right now, it'll

1510
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,040
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, people just typical dad's trying to

1511
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: make to each other. Well, I hope you all enjoyed that.

1512
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 2: It was a bit of a chat about nothing in particular,

1513
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's kind yeah, becase whenever you try and

1514
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 2: plan these things, it just ends up just being a

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01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 2: bit planned. Whereas we got over an hour worth of

1516
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 2: good chat in there, so for free.

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01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: You're not paying for these people to demand your money

1518
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 1: back if you yes.

1519
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 2: But I would highly recommend going to John's YouTube channel

1520
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 2: and just having look at some of those videos that

1521
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 2: we spoke about. Not so for work, Some of those

1522
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,400
Speaker 2: are not safe for work. I do like the dustings

1523
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 2: of bikini clad women in the videos.

1524
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: Like you got to express VPN and you've used this

1525
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 1: like like stock footage of this chicken a bra with

1526
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: some of the best hits I've ever seen, and I'm like,

1527
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,639
Speaker 1: hang on, what am I buying here? Is this internet

1528
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 1: protection of them? Whatever it is?

1529
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just demographic data. That's a decision based on

1530
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 3: demographic data. My audience is ninety five percent male, ninety

1531
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 3: five percent almost as old as me.

1532
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 1: But it is it is good. You just sometimes I

1533
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 1: just want to commentate it because it's like, okay, we're

1534
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: talking about express VPN. Here's a chick with a big rack.

1535
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 1: There's another one like drinking wine in her panties, and

1536
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: it's all about like internet protection. I love it.

1537
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 3: Now I've got this present.

1538
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 1: Here we go. I wonder if it vibrates.

1539
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 3: It's very difficult to find presents for dudes such as you, right,

1540
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:24,800
Speaker 3: because you've already.

1541
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 1: Got everything correct, like you want to get cyber trusting.

1542
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 3: No inflatable cyber truck. The thing is, it's really easy

1543
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 3: to find presents for a winer. You just give them

1544
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 3: a hundred bucks or a blanket they right. But for

1545
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:43,719
Speaker 3: guys like you've got everything now, this is obviously to share.

1546
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 3: I gotta put my glasses on, so just this is

1547
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:49,600
Speaker 3: I got to get it.

1548
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 1: I'm hoping this is a gun for next time Trev

1549
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:52,919
Speaker 1: comes in the studio.

1550
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 3: Well, it could be a gun of sorts, but I've

1551
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 3: got oh, look at this. SAPI got some manscaped crop

1552
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:07,799
Speaker 3: reviv ball tona and some crop preserver ball the odorant.

1553
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 3: I'm not insinuating.

1554
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: And listen, you, being the Croatian that you are, you're

1555
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 1: going to need the ball the odorant.

1556
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 3: But look, it's just like chicken soup and you've got

1557
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 3: a cold, it can't hurt, right, that's right. Like nobody's

1558
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 3: ever been criticized for too liberally applying the ball the.

1559
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: Owner I'll put it on now.

1560
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,480
Speaker 3: Now this is this is to share obviously.

1561
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 1: Oh okay, you know.

1562
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,599
Speaker 3: And I've got the you've got the scrotum shaving kit

1563
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 3: as well.

1564
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: This is actually called ball tona you pop down to

1565
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: the institute.

1566
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 3: It's called crop revival or crop preserves.

1567
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 1: And the other one is this one.

1568
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 3: Jesus, I've got the little, I've got the well, it's Christmas,

1569
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 3: and I thought, who doesn't want a nice, a nice

1570
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 3: smooth sack for Christmas? I've got the this. Have you

1571
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 3: got a jugonomically designed scroton raiser with very little residual?

1572
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 3: You're going to need.

1573
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: A smaller one for Paul's Yeah, that's yeah. What do

1574
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 1: I do with that?

1575
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 2: It?

1576
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,720
Speaker 3: No prompter? Now all right, this is what's hard as

1577
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 3: a convoluted joke. I've got some extra raises to I

1578
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 3: expect we'll all be having a shower after this as

1579
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 3: we did last time, just to share. There's four different

1580
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 3: raises there that should be this should be good for

1581
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 3: at least a week. I've got crop exfoliator, so this

1582
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 3: is a scrotal exfoliator. And this one is crop gel,

1583
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,839
Speaker 3: which is a clear groin shaving gel.

1584
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 2: Unquote fantastic, And this is from our friends at Manscaped.

1585
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 3: It is.

1586
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:49,679
Speaker 1: Look at that.

1587
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,400
Speaker 2: That is sensational. I wonder if he's getting right in.

1588
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 2: That smells wonderful.

1589
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:58,320
Speaker 1: That's wonderful. Smell my balls, Paul. Yeah, fresh right.

1590
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 3: If I just handed out a couple hundred buck notes,

1591
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 3: you guys would have just gone out. I'll throw that

1592
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 3: the cash and never see it again.

1593
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: You know this is going to be my wife's, your

1594
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: favorite food.

1595
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 3: Socks, socks and freaking undies. Like you know, this is

1596
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 3: just socks and undies. One step.

1597
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:17,759
Speaker 1: This is thank you, mate, genuinely appreciate already.

1598
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 3: If you don't already, man skirt like just you'll be

1599
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 3: walking through the office and you'll have let's just say less.

1600
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: Drage gliding balls.

1601
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:27,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, you won't rustle anymore.

1602
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:31,560
Speaker 1: Just make my workers falling to the floor, just fainting. Yeah,

1603
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:33,719
Speaker 1: I think it is. I think this is the season.

1604
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 1: This is the time where I'm gonna shave the sideburns.

1605
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: Off my dick.

1606
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, good rocking that scrobble mohawk. That's still okay. But

1607
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 3: the sideburns after go.

1608
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 1: I'll still leave the whispery mo. But whatever that is.

1609
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 3: Like horns on the hood are okay, gas hogs intwn.

1610
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: This is bloodyal this is that's for your nuts. It's

1611
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: incredible for.

1612
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 3: The ergonomic design. Right. You don't want a long handle

1613
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:03,719
Speaker 3: on a razor.

1614
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 1: Nobody wants that, absolutely not.

1615
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 3: Just remember to share.

1616
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, bloody, I got it first week. You can

1617
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 1: have a second. Yeah, you can have the joys of

1618
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: picking the hair out. Yeah, mate, thank you very much.

1619
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: That's very kind. We'll have to bring a gift in

1620
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:24,759
Speaker 1: next time. I think last time.

1621
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:27,120
Speaker 3: You gave me a gift. I've got that beautiful mug.

1622
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've I've been looking for that in the backdrop

1623
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: of your videos. Mate. You need to throw it at someone.

1624
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, the next comment of that pisses you off.

1625
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 1: Just fucking love it at them. Perfect.

1626
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 3: I'm disappointed that I didn't get a transcript.

1627
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:40,639
Speaker 1: You'll probably arranged one after.

1628
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 3: I was going to say, I'll let you know in

1629
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 3: this one savaged anyone in particular.

1630
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 1: Enough, it was more later, Yes, if you do have

1631
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 1: any right questions. Have you ever seen that movie The

1632
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 1: hurt Locker? Yeah, yeah, so our lawyer right now is

1633
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: like Jeremy Renner. He's putting on like a big bomb

1634
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: disposal outfit on he's currently working.

1635
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 3: He's not like the first like the guy who Guy Richie.

1636
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 1: Yeah right yeah. Now he's calmly walking to the that's right,

1637
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: there was two. He's calmly walking to the truth bombs

1638
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: that you've dropped this episode, so appreciate that, mate. Thank

1639
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 1: you for coming in my pleasure.

1640
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 2: Contact at the Drivers Show dot com today you shoot

1641
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 2: us an email. We're going to have John on again

1642
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,360
Speaker 2: at some point in the future when we can finally

1643
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 2: organize ourselves.

1644
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe when you sober up. That'd be nice.

1645
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 2: I do apologize for that, but I did wear the

1646
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 2: shirt yeah, I know, around in public. Yeah, to Christmas

1647
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 2: party too. That's a big f you to the Sydney office. Ye.

1648
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 2: Contact at the Drivershow dot com today, you let us

1649
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 2: know if you have any questions, leave us a rating.

1650
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 2: Check out John's channel as well for all the great

1651
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 2: stuff that he does. And thank you mate for coming on.

1652
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,080
Speaker 1: And for the presents. I mean, this is fantastic.

1653
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 3: My pleasure. Merry freaking Christmas,