WEBVTT - Annabel Fidler - THE TRAITORS - Reality TV Contestant

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<v Speaker 1>It's in the news today, but it was actually on

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<v Speaker 1>TV Reload, the podcast past leep that line. Welcome back,

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<v Speaker 1>guys to TV Reload. As you may know, my name

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<v Speaker 1>is Benjamin Norris and this is your podcast to get

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<v Speaker 1>On today's podcast, I have my latest favorite reality TV contestant,

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<v Speaker 1>Annabel Fiddler here to talk about her time on The

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<v Speaker 1>Trader season two, which is completely addictive and currently on

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<v Speaker 1>Network ten. Annabel is a producer's dream. She's a super

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<v Speaker 1>fan ready to play hard, brings an entertaining game and

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<v Speaker 1>never takes herself too serious. From the moment she entered

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<v Speaker 1>the mansion, we know she was going to make this

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<v Speaker 1>game her bitch. And while she has exited the competition

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<v Speaker 1>a little earlier that I thought, I do believe people

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<v Speaker 1>will remember her and I think future players will be

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<v Speaker 1>definitely taking some notes. I love that she settled up

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<v Speaker 1>with the familiar faces actors and reality TV stars, wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>afraid of the big personalities, and made the show always

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<v Speaker 1>very entertaining. I will ask Annabelle if The Traders lived

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<v Speaker 1>up to her expectation and what producers could do next

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<v Speaker 1>with the format. We will unpack the first week's twists

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<v Speaker 1>and turns and find out what Annabel really thinks of

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<v Speaker 1>Sam and if the dumb dumbs will ever catch him.

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<v Speaker 1>Annabel will talk alliances with Luke and if she had

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<v Speaker 1>secretly hoped to be picked as a Trader or even

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<v Speaker 1>recruited as a Trader before being eliminated. Plus, we will

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<v Speaker 1>get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes of The

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<v Speaker 1>Traders Season two, which continues this Sunday night at seven

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<v Speaker 1>thirty on Network ten, and you can now catch up

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<v Speaker 1>on ten Play if you've fallen that little bit behind. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>let's bring Annabel into the podcast. Guys, I really hope

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<v Speaker 1>you're enjoyed this very full on, but very insightful episode

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<v Speaker 1>of TV Reload. Hi Anna Belle, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I am absolutely fantastic. Thank you well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you have been the most exciting player

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<v Speaker 1>that we have seen in the two seasons of The Traders,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm very excited to be talking to you this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Benjamin, you're sending my main character, syndrome into overdrive.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to know how much research did you really do,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, sometimes when they put together people's bio videos,

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<v Speaker 1>they can inflate things a little bit. But I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of feel like with you, maybe it was a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit spot on. Did you finish the Internet on the

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<v Speaker 1>Traders before going in?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? I mean I didn't just listen to every podcast

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<v Speaker 2>that mentioned the Traders. I listened to podcasts that could have,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, application to the Traders, ones that were on

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<v Speaker 2>body language and whether it actually means anything. Everything in

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<v Speaker 2>the reddit, every interview, through all of the instagrams. I

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<v Speaker 2>was in nerd overdrive.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you, where was the best pieces of

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<v Speaker 1>information that you found putting together your little research book.

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<v Speaker 1>Was there a hot spot of go to information to

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<v Speaker 1>get on the show?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Absolutely. I think one of the most helpful podcasts

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<v Speaker 2>was the one that is done by three of the

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<v Speaker 2>guys who were on the UK Traders with wilf, Ivan

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<v Speaker 2>and Ryan, and that was really great because they had

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<v Speaker 2>actually played and you know, they would allude to things

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<v Speaker 2>like their being cliques rather than alliances and just little

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<v Speaker 2>things like that that really helped me get into the

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<v Speaker 2>headspace of what it might be like to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>And then another podcast that was great was one by

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<v Speaker 2>that was recommended by David Bloomberg, and that was about

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<v Speaker 2>how little ticks like scratching the neck or rubbing your

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<v Speaker 2>nose mean absolutely nothing. You know, everybody lies in such

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<v Speaker 2>different ways, and that really freed up my headspace to

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<v Speaker 2>look at more important things, like the way people would

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<v Speaker 2>overreact in certain situations, or when people weren't being consistent

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<v Speaker 2>with their personality. I wasn't getting distracted by, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>information that didn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>So in taking that on board, were you right or

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<v Speaker 1>was it just a really good starting off point? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>No, it was. It was correct. When we came in.

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<v Speaker 2>You saw in episode one everyone was going after Payden.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's this idea that he had, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>done something with his body when we were in the

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<v Speaker 2>banishment room, and you know, I knew that was nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it could be because he was stressed and

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<v Speaker 2>we did see he was an anxious mess. Whereas, for example, Blake,

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<v Speaker 2>who's a pretty steady hand the whole way throughout, is

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden having this over the top reaction

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<v Speaker 2>to Ian's exit when I know they liked each other,

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<v Speaker 2>but they weren't super tight in the game, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was pretty sure I'd heard Blake bring up Ian's

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<v Speaker 2>name in the past. So the way that Blake was

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<v Speaker 2>behaving there was inconsistent with his personality and was actually

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<v Speaker 2>shot similar to the way that Sam would behave when

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<v Speaker 2>I knew Sam was lying.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's funny because we're watching the show and

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<v Speaker 1>we're in on the joke kind of thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we know who the Traders are, so for that reason,

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard for us to not understand how you guys

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<v Speaker 1>can't see it because Blake and Sam, to me, just

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<v Speaker 1>look like they're really iffing obvious to be the Traders

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<v Speaker 1>in order.

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<v Speaker 2>To be the kind of nutter that goes on reality TV.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to be the kind of person who has

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<v Speaker 2>absolute confidence in your own opinions, And there were a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people out there incredibly confident in their incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>wrong takes. And especially you know, when you have a

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<v Speaker 2>lifetime of experience, you know, in the police force or

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<v Speaker 2>in the military, and you know, you think you're this

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<v Speaker 2>expert in reading people. Who is this little twenty nine

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<v Speaker 2>year old sales rep who's never done anything more challenging

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<v Speaker 2>than a zoom conversation got to teach somebody who has

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of experience behind them. But you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I would argue that having a bunch of sketchy ex

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<v Speaker 2>boyfriends sets you up way better to read when men

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<v Speaker 2>are playing you than when you've got an entire institution

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<v Speaker 2>backing you in your pursuit of the bad guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Had you met people like Sam before in your world?

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<v Speaker 1>Like did you peg him and say, I've met this

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<v Speaker 1>character before.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent? I mean, look, I know a million SAMs,

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<v Speaker 2>so many sales bros. I dated Sam's and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I felt so comfortable with him, because I

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<v Speaker 2>knew exactly who I had to be for him in

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<v Speaker 2>order for him to feel comfortable with me, to trust me,

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<v Speaker 2>and in order to not hurt me. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was as soon as we made eye contact,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, all I need to do is tell this

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<v Speaker 2>guy every day how beautiful he is, how smart he is,

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<v Speaker 2>how and just ustily spotted with him. All I care

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<v Speaker 2>about in this game is you, Sam. As long as

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<v Speaker 2>you and I are good, then I'm happy. And most people, Benjamin,

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<v Speaker 2>if someone said that to them, they would go, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>what's this woman's angle? Instead, Sam has the confidence to think,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, I need to get a restraining order

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<v Speaker 2>out on her after this game because she would be

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed with me.

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<v Speaker 1>He leaned into his villainry too well when he was

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<v Speaker 1>being a little bit evil, Like even when you were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about getting rid of Blake, you know, he says

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<v Speaker 1>me too, And the way that he was doing all

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<v Speaker 1>of that just seemed a bit cartoony for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that Sam is as subtle as Sam

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<v Speaker 2>thinks he is. That's coming from my perspective to Luke

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<v Speaker 2>and I and Gloria to an extent as well, bleedingly

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<v Speaker 2>obvious the chokehold that man has on that hotel, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Luke and I could not have spelled out more clearly

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<v Speaker 2>last night. This is the evidence. This is exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>we worked it out. And I'm just speaking facts, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're not subtle facts. They're there in your face. Hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>If I was in that show and a personality type

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<v Speaker 1>like you and a personality type like Luke was driving

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<v Speaker 1>that conversation, I would have followed you all the way.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say two things Ego, as I alluded to earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you could not shape the confidence that some

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<v Speaker 2>of these people had in their own opinion. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you had a lot of people there who'd never watched

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<v Speaker 2>Luke play anything before, who had who Luke was, and

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<v Speaker 2>I would you know, I'm I fill a room, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>super super confident, I'm outspoken. You know, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm quite intelligent. I'm very extra and you know that,

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<v Speaker 2>let's be honest, that can be pretty obnoxious on a map.

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<v Speaker 2>You a woman. It's unforgivable. And I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>people looked to me as someone who they wanted to follow.

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<v Speaker 2>They looked at me as a threat. And I got

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<v Speaker 2>such a different response to the way that I was

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<v Speaker 2>laying out my game as opposed to Sam, who was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of screaming across the table. No one was looking

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<v Speaker 2>at that and thinking that's untoward, that's suspicious, that's too defensive.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a few key points throughout your gameplay

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<v Speaker 1>that I wanted to ask you about. And Guidon and

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<v Speaker 1>I were talking about this when you were crying after

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<v Speaker 1>you eliminated him. We kind of joked a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about maybe it was a bit sociopathic for you to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Can you tell me why you were crying

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<v Speaker 1>to eliminate him? Is that because you knew there was

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<v Speaker 1>no other way to play that even though he was

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<v Speaker 1>your mate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there were a few things there. I mean, first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, I'm a girlie who wears a heartless sleeve.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a ball of emotion. I feel my feelings

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<v Speaker 2>very intensely. I'm a passionate person. But there were a

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<v Speaker 2>few things there which had me feeling really emotional, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think the main one was the frustration that my

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<v Speaker 2>agency had been taken away. So as a faithful the

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<v Speaker 2>only thing you have control over is who you vote

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<v Speaker 2>for and banishment and the ability to rally votes in banishment.

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<v Speaker 2>And when Sam had come to me and said we're

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<v Speaker 2>making a move on Ash. I had really committed to that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'd rallied my girlies. I was all in

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<v Speaker 2>on it. I had a really good relationship with Geiiton.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt strongly that he was a faithful but that

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<v Speaker 2>also he was somebody who I could work with strategically

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and so as and you could see Sam,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, making his aggressive faces at me across the

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<v Speaker 2>table at banishment as we're walking into banishment. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the votes for Ash anymore. And because Ash really

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<v Speaker 2>is a trader, and because Sam is my Trader protector,

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<v Speaker 2>my Trader daddy, you could say, who's keeping me safe

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<v Speaker 2>from murder? I can't blow up his spot by outing

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<v Speaker 2>Ash if we don't have the votes. So I'm now

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<v Speaker 2>in this really difficult position where I can't rock the vote.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to vote out somebody I know as a

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<v Speaker 2>faithful who I know will work with me down the line,

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<v Speaker 2>and someone I really like. You know, we were a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of crazies in there, ben people like me who

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<v Speaker 2>are supermanic and extra and we're all making little jabs

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<v Speaker 2>at each other. And Guidon was just like this steady

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<v Speaker 2>rock of calming energy and a presence like that is

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<v Speaker 2>just invaluable. So I was crying for myself, I was

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<v Speaker 2>crying for my game. I was crying for him, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was just crying because I'm like that. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting to me is that I'm always looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the detail. And there is quite a few times in

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<v Speaker 1>the show where you've got tears on your cheeks, but

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't show the crying starting if you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, will not to be shown the full reason

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<v Speaker 1>as to why you were crying, or.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so lucky I had the world's most generous storyline.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they really got to They really told my

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<v Speaker 2>full story. And I don't need a reason to cry.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I just cry. I mean, you seem sobbing. After

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<v Speaker 2>the first mission, I was crying because I was profoundly

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<v Speaker 2>unfit and having to winch that horse hurt. You know

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<v Speaker 2>for another time. What's another time I was crying. I

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<v Speaker 2>was constantly crying. So I'm not embarrassed by my emotions.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just part of who I am. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I cry because I care and because I

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<v Speaker 2>love hard and I play hard, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that it's one of my best traits.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you when you turned up. This is what I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking, you know, being a bit of a super fan,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have all of a sudden seen these familiar faces,

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<v Speaker 1>like I loved when you saw Luke for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>That would have been my reaction as well. So fair

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<v Speaker 1>play to that is that when it's sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>penny dropped and you realized that it was more the

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<v Speaker 1>format had changed since the year before and it was

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<v Speaker 1>more like the English version. Did you pick up on that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so I had. There were a few things. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't shocked at all that we had sort of

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<v Speaker 2>familiar faces. They'd done the same thing in the USA.

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<v Speaker 2>They did that in Australian Survivor as well, only a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of seasons in I think season three or something,

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<v Speaker 2>so that wasn't surprising. The Trojan Horse challenge we had

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<v Speaker 2>seen already in both the UK and the US version.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, a lot of the challenges that had been

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<v Speaker 2>similar ones, so you know, that was really helpful. I

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<v Speaker 2>think what was so shocking to me I cannot fathom

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<v Speaker 2>going in to sit a test and not study for it,

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<v Speaker 2>and so to go in there and realize I was

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<v Speaker 2>one of a tiny handful of people who'd watched a

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<v Speaker 2>full season, let alone all the seasons let alone, and

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<v Speaker 2>to interviews with former contestants. I mean most of the

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<v Speaker 2>people there hadn't even seen Luke play. To go in

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<v Speaker 2>and just be playing on a completely different strategic level

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<v Speaker 2>for everybody else to be picking up on that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>what bonded Luke and I so closely was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>being really two people who saw the game in the

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<v Speaker 2>same way, wanted to play the same kind of strategic game,

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<v Speaker 2>and instead of being able to use that to secure

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<v Speaker 2>the win, it's really just made us threats.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the relationship that you both had. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's as I said a little bit earlier, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>teased that I would have played it the exact same

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<v Speaker 1>way that you did. The only thing I would have

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<v Speaker 1>done a little bit different to your gameplay is I

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<v Speaker 1>may have in the banishment room, I probably would have

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<v Speaker 1>allowed whatever work I'd done before getting in there to

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<v Speaker 1>have been cooked without fully, you know, putting the icing

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<v Speaker 1>on it in that space.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I was set up really, really well in

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<v Speaker 2>the game. You know, I've got the most stubborn voy

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<v Speaker 2>stress traitor in my corner. I've got you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>really strong group of people working with me in the banishments,

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<v Speaker 2>my ultimate flaws, just my entire personality.

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<v Speaker 1>Which makes a good television. Anabelle, I can't I know

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<v Speaker 1>the answer.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't stop myself. I've got to put my hand

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<v Speaker 2>up and give it, and I can't tone it down.

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't, even when I know I should, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't stop myself.

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<v Speaker 1>How much had you thought about that final banishment, that

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<v Speaker 1>when you would be banished, that you would give us

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<v Speaker 1>such a delicious line like the pandas did that just

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<v Speaker 1>come to you in that moment? Horrace? You thought about

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<v Speaker 1>multiple scenarios and quotes that you could use.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the only line that I didn't think up

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<v Speaker 2>on the spot. Everything else I ever said just literally

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<v Speaker 2>spewed out of my mouth with that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was when we were preparing to go into the banishment,

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought, you know, well, Annabelle, this could go

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<v Speaker 2>tits up for you. There's a really good chance that

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<v Speaker 2>this doesn't work out the way that you want it too.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know I come from a family of conservationists,

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought, let's give a shout out to the animals.

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<v Speaker 2>We love the animals.

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<v Speaker 1>I just loved it so much I was like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It was well delivered, it made sense, it

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<v Speaker 1>was perfect. Do you ever get more than one chance

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<v Speaker 1>to say those things? Or was that just how it happened?

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<v Speaker 1>And that is it?

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<v Speaker 2>That is exactly how it happened. You get one go,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the bit's slipped out my honestly, I'm getting

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<v Speaker 2>up there and Sam's already got his pre prepared shot face.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, I couldn't help. I said, Sam, stop pretending

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<v Speaker 2>to be surprised before the moments even happened. Toney, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>This is so good, though, Like you know, just to

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<v Speaker 1>remember to call Sam out exactly, was just that little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more evidence that that's one hundred percent of Trader

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<v Speaker 1>and you got him with that, and then you walked out.

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<v Speaker 2>I swear if this nuclear bomb that we just dropped

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<v Speaker 2>on his lap and exploded all over him isn't the end?

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<v Speaker 2>All of my fingers are crossed for Luke tonight when

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<v Speaker 2>I tuned in tonight, and please let him have been recruited.

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<v Speaker 2>If they don't take out Sam next, then frankly, none

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<v Speaker 2>of them deserve their money at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you also think you could have done anything different?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's soundly. Thing is, I'm wondering if there's

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<v Speaker 1>some Sunday morning quarterbacking that we could do about what

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<v Speaker 1>might have kept you in the game longer.

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<v Speaker 2>Aside from having a complete personality transformation, there's actually three

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<v Speaker 2>things that I think I should have done that could

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<v Speaker 2>have kept me in. Number one, I invested so much

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<v Speaker 2>social cachet in keeping Sarah in the game, so in

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<v Speaker 2>the first banishment she would have gone one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>if I hadn't really gone back for her and thrown

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<v Speaker 2>Karin under the bus instead. I did that because I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like Krin, you know, best case scenario, she's a traitor.

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<v Speaker 2>Worst case scenario, she's never going to tell me who

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<v Speaker 2>she's voting to banish. She's never gonna vote with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas I thought with Sarah, if I she's not a traitor,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously she we're both queer women, and if I can

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<v Speaker 2>save her here, then you know, maybe she will stick

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<v Speaker 2>with me moving forward. She was just too chaotic. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it should have been red flag number one when she

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<v Speaker 2>didn't vote with us at banishment the next couple of times.

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<v Speaker 2>I all of that time that I was investing moving

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<v Speaker 2>forward and convincing other people, you know, not to banish

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah in reassuring Sarah that her and I were good

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<v Speaker 2>in emotionally supporting her in the game. If I'd let

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<v Speaker 2>her go out first, then that was all emotional energy

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<v Speaker 2>and time that I could have poured into Mistake Number

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<v Speaker 2>two my relationship with Simone. If I'd been able to

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<v Speaker 2>make Simone feel really secure and like I was much

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<v Speaker 2>closer with her than I was with Luke and Sam,

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<v Speaker 2>then I don't think she would have come for me.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was probably one of the few people who

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<v Speaker 2>could have who was essential to my voting blog and

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<v Speaker 2>had the social prowess to pull in other people to

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of me as well. So if I had

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<v Speaker 2>invested all of that time and energy I spent on

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<v Speaker 2>Sarah in Simone, I think that would have been critical

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<v Speaker 2>to my game. And then number three, I needed Hannah

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<v Speaker 2>out early. I wanted Hannah out early because, again, best

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<v Speaker 2>case scenario, she's a traitor. Worst case scenario, I've got

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<v Speaker 2>rid of someone who like honestly, I owe her thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars in back pay and rent the amount of

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<v Speaker 2>time I was living rent free. In that woman's brain,

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<v Speaker 2>she was just convinced I was a traitor and so

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<v Speaker 2>but once we got rid of Ash, there's no way

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<v Speaker 2>Hannah's also a traitor, right, you know, they're too similar.

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<v Speaker 2>So if I had somehow managed to pull off getting

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<v Speaker 2>rid of Planner instead of guiding, or if I'd somehow

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<v Speaker 2>managed to manipulate Sam into pushing for her murder, I

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<v Speaker 2>really think I needed those three things to come together.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's be honest, I've only got so much time.

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<v Speaker 1>In a day, absolutely, right. I mean I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I can't work out as a viewer if

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<v Speaker 1>Hannah's playing a smart game or she's just winging it,

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't necessarily know whether or not she knows

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<v Speaker 1>what she's doing.

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<v Speaker 2>That yeah, I don't know that she knows particularly what

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<v Speaker 2>she's doing. I mean, love Hannah on below Deck, been

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<v Speaker 2>a huge, huge fan of her for years. My mom

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<v Speaker 2>my Auntie are absolutely obsessed with her. So yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a little bit disappointing that she didn't love me

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<v Speaker 2>as much as I loved her. But I think she's

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<v Speaker 2>really going with her gut. And you know, her and

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of the others, they have a lot of

0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:44.800
<v Speaker 2>experience on television, but perhaps not a lot of experience

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<v Speaker 2>with social strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>Games, Did you actually want to be a trader? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>had you been crossing your fingers to be a trader

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<v Speaker 1>right from the start, and then on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>once you weren't and you were a faithful, had you

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<v Speaker 1>been crossing your fingers and hoping to be recruited?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So, I mean, as a you want to be

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<v Speaker 2>a trader because you get double the agency. I mean,

0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:08.040
<v Speaker 2>if you're a faithful, you only have control over half

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<v Speaker 2>of the game, and even then you're one vote in

0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.280
<v Speaker 2>a pool of what twenty, So if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>maximize your agency, you really do need to be a traitor.

0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.479
<v Speaker 2>That said, I think I would make a shocking traitor,

0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:24.600
<v Speaker 2>no poker face. Everything I'm thinking written right across me,

0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:26.920
<v Speaker 2>can't keep my mouth shut. I think I would have

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<v Speaker 2>been gone even sooner if I was a traitor. But

0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:34.040
<v Speaker 2>I was really counting on being recruited, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>gutted that Sam and Blake didn't recruit Luke earlier in

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<v Speaker 2>the piece, you know, like when they could have, because

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<v Speaker 2>if i'd if I'd had two traded daddies, then maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we could have offed Sam, who was frankly getting on

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<v Speaker 2>my nerves a little bit. By that point, you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Living up to all my expectations of this chat. I

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<v Speaker 1>knew it was going to be good, but I just,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's great. That's exactly what I needed. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing that I have a problem with this show for though,

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<v Speaker 1>is that it is kind of designed in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that when it plays out, the quieter, boring of players

0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.080
<v Speaker 1>get left to the end, Which isn't that great for

0:22:13.160 --> 0:22:15.359
<v Speaker 1>the viewer, I would say, because we want all of

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<v Speaker 1>the big, noisy players to be the ones that stay

0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:21.520
<v Speaker 1>in the show, but the format doesn't lean itself to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that at this stage of the game

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<v Speaker 1>we should be fearful that there's going to be some

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<v Speaker 1>very boring people left to the end?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think that this is only an issue

0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:35.119
<v Speaker 2>as long as faithfuls aren't playing a strategic game. So

0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:39.200
<v Speaker 2>we're actually seeing that in reverse in Survivor, particularly Survive

0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:42.600
<v Speaker 2>a USA, where the more optimally people are playing the game,

0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:48.720
<v Speaker 2>the more you know, quieter characters are staying longer. Where

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<v Speaker 2>I think with this if all Faithful's come into the

0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:57.360
<v Speaker 2>game looking to shore up their traitor daddy and go

0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:02.399
<v Speaker 2>to war essentially on behalf of their trader with their

0:23:02.560 --> 0:23:06.560
<v Speaker 2>little pocket of faithful supporters, and they back their traitor

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.639
<v Speaker 2>against the other traitors, and it becomes more of a

0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:13.240
<v Speaker 2>not just blindly shooting in the dark hoping that you

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:16.280
<v Speaker 2>hit the right target. I think that's when we're going

0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:20.120
<v Speaker 2>to see big gameplay. We're going to see you know more.

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean I came for Korean and was happy to

0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:27.879
<v Speaker 2>boot Ian because again, worst case scenario, you're not moving

0:23:27.880 --> 0:23:30.919
<v Speaker 2>my game forward. You're not voting with me, you're not

0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:34.920
<v Speaker 2>throwing any names out, you're not feeding me information about

0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:37.320
<v Speaker 2>where your vote's going to go. So I think if

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:41.480
<v Speaker 2>everyone is coming in with this strategic mindset, that's when

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're going to start seeing all of the

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<v Speaker 2>big characters lasting longer in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you see really Sam, I mean you kind of

0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:49.680
<v Speaker 1>answered this before, but can you see Sam and Blake

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<v Speaker 1>being there towards the end?

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<v Speaker 2>Surely not. I mean, it's so it was so frustrating

0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:59.880
<v Speaker 2>in the real time at my banishment, and again watch

0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:04.000
<v Speaker 2>it on television last night that again speaking facts and

0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:08.159
<v Speaker 2>no one's seeing it. But surely now that I have

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<v Speaker 2>gone out and I'm faithful in More Universe, even giving

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.360
<v Speaker 2>these people the most minimal amount of credit would they

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<v Speaker 2>not target them.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you please apply for the English version immediately? Like

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<v Speaker 1>aus In, I think I just need to go and

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<v Speaker 1>see you do a different format of the show. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's not something I've ever said to anyone on any

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<v Speaker 1>reality show that I've ever done an exit interview for.

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<v Speaker 1>I just would love that so much. So that's a

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<v Speaker 1>little project for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you. I'll make sure I renew my

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<v Speaker 2>passport asap.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a pee girl friend. You know. I also

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<v Speaker 1>was going to say I'm finding Liam a little bit sexy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know whether or not. I guess you guys

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<v Speaker 1>get locked up at nighttime, so there's no chance for

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<v Speaker 1>any romances. But you know, if you weren't locked up

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<v Speaker 1>at night and they probably did give you guys some

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<v Speaker 1>more booze, would there have been any relationships happening like that?

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<v Speaker 2>We stand a short king, what can I say? And

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, a lot of my male friends also

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<v Speaker 2>eyeing up a slice of Liam. I gotta say he's

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<v Speaker 2>been a real hit. Yeah. Liam is absolutely adorable and

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<v Speaker 2>obviously love a snack I can eat alive. Liam was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty intimidated by me. I think might have weed his

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<v Speaker 2>pants a little bit every time I hit on him

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<v Speaker 2>for gags, but yes, he was probably grateful he had

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<v Speaker 2>security outside his room. Let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why the same thing happened to last

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<v Speaker 1>year with the same show. I can't remember his name now,

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<v Speaker 1>so it obviously goes to show that I'm very fickle.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was someone who looked very similar to him

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<v Speaker 1>last year that did quite well.

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<v Speaker 2>It was it the other Sparky? Was it like basically

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<v Speaker 2>his same ark type again.

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<v Speaker 1>One per thank you for coming with me on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>It is just the same person again, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>the same weird crush on him, and I think this

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 1>the one from last year was small as well. Anyway, hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering, after playing this game, you know, and spending

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<v Speaker 1>so much time of pre planning how you would play

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<v Speaker 1>the game, has it affected your life because I know

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<v Speaker 1>that for myself and for people who have done reality shows,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of changes the dynamics and social situations and

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<v Speaker 1>you can't help but start evaluating people and looking at

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<v Speaker 1>people differently. How has the aftermath been?

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<v Speaker 2>It was nowhere near as stressful as I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>would be. So I'm a massive nerd. I've done like

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<v Speaker 2>the online versions of Survivor I done in real life,

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.679
<v Speaker 2>amateur versions, and all of those the where you're playing

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<v Speaker 2>with other unhinged super fans, so they were really really

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<v Speaker 2>full on. I think the online one I did went

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<v Speaker 2>for something like two and a half months. That really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of messed with my head and took a while

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<v Speaker 2>to come out of afterwards. So comparatively, this was pretty

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<v Speaker 2>low key, and I have come out not super paranoid,

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<v Speaker 2>and the way I went out couldn't have been more

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<v Speaker 2>perfect as well. I think if I'd been murdered, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd have going through your head, what did I do wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>What happened? Having to sort of wait for the show

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<v Speaker 2>to come out, whereas you know, with this, I know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what happened. It was the dumb dums, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I had that closure. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it well. I'm always going to be in

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<v Speaker 1>your audience. But the last question I'll ask you is

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<v Speaker 1>something that I ask everyone who joins the podcast. What

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<v Speaker 1>is something from behind the scenes, from your experience, something

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<v Speaker 1>that we won't see this an audience from filming The

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<v Speaker 1>Trader season two.

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<v Speaker 2>So every night when I went back to my hotel room,

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<v Speaker 2>I would lie in bed and I would spend hours

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<v Speaker 2>committing to memory who was in what challenge car that day,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what order did people come into breakfast, and

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<v Speaker 2>they'd have had more time to talk to each other,

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<v Speaker 2>who voted for who banishment and sort of letting all

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<v Speaker 2>of this marinade in my mind and connect it back

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<v Speaker 2>to the sort of previous days to really try and say, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well that person's probably not a traitor or there was

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of consistency here and that helped piece together.

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<v Speaker 1>Blake, I think you are television gold and I'd love

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<v Speaker 1>your insights.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you so much, and thank you. This has

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<v Speaker 2>been so much fun. I'm so excited to finally meet you,

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<v Speaker 2>and this has just been the best