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Speaker 1: On today's podcast, I have my latest favorite reality TV contestant,
Speaker 1: Annabel Fiddler here to talk about her time on The
Speaker 1: Trader season two, which is completely addictive and currently on
Speaker 1: Network ten. Annabel is a producer's dream. She's a super
Speaker 1: fan ready to play hard, brings an entertaining game and
Speaker 1: never takes herself too serious. From the moment she entered
Speaker 1: the mansion, we know she was going to make this
Speaker 1: game her bitch. And while she has exited the competition
Speaker 1: a little earlier that I thought, I do believe people
Speaker 1: will remember her and I think future players will be
Speaker 1: definitely taking some notes. I love that she settled up
Speaker 1: with the familiar faces actors and reality TV stars, wasn't
Speaker 1: afraid of the big personalities, and made the show always
Speaker 1: very entertaining. I will ask Annabelle if The Traders lived
Speaker 1: up to her expectation and what producers could do next
Speaker 1: with the format. We will unpack the first week's twists
Speaker 1: and turns and find out what Annabel really thinks of
Speaker 1: Sam and if the dumb dumbs will ever catch him.
Speaker 1: Annabel will talk alliances with Luke and if she had
Speaker 1: secretly hoped to be picked as a Trader or even
Speaker 1: recruited as a Trader before being eliminated. Plus, we will
Speaker 1: get plenty of exclusives from behind the scenes of The
Speaker 1: Traders Season two, which continues this Sunday night at seven
Speaker 1: thirty on Network ten, and you can now catch up
Speaker 1: on ten Play if you've fallen that little bit behind. Anyway,
Speaker 1: let's bring Annabel into the podcast. Guys, I really hope
Speaker 1: you're enjoyed this very full on, but very insightful episode
Speaker 1: of TV Reload. Hi Anna Belle, how are you?
Speaker 2: I am absolutely fantastic. Thank you well.
Speaker 1: I think that you have been the most exciting player
Speaker 1: that we have seen in the two seasons of The Traders,
Speaker 1: So I'm very excited to be talking to you this morning.
Speaker 2: Benjamin, you're sending my main character, syndrome into overdrive.
Speaker 1: I wanted to know how much research did you really do,
Speaker 1: because you know, sometimes when they put together people's bio videos,
Speaker 1: they can inflate things a little bit. But I kind
Speaker 1: of feel like with you, maybe it was a little
Speaker 1: bit spot on. Did you finish the Internet on the
Speaker 1: Traders before going in?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I mean I didn't just listen to every podcast
Speaker 2: that mentioned the Traders. I listened to podcasts that could have,
Speaker 2: you know, application to the Traders, ones that were on
Speaker 2: body language and whether it actually means anything. Everything in
Speaker 2: the reddit, every interview, through all of the instagrams. I
Speaker 2: was in nerd overdrive.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, where was the best pieces of
Speaker 1: information that you found putting together your little research book.
Speaker 1: Was there a hot spot of go to information to
Speaker 1: get on the show?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely. I think one of the most helpful podcasts
Speaker 2: was the one that is done by three of the
Speaker 2: guys who were on the UK Traders with wilf, Ivan
Speaker 2: and Ryan, and that was really great because they had
Speaker 2: actually played and you know, they would allude to things
Speaker 2: like their being cliques rather than alliances and just little
Speaker 2: things like that that really helped me get into the
Speaker 2: headspace of what it might be like to be there.
Speaker 2: And then another podcast that was great was one by
Speaker 2: that was recommended by David Bloomberg, and that was about
Speaker 2: how little ticks like scratching the neck or rubbing your
Speaker 2: nose mean absolutely nothing. You know, everybody lies in such
Speaker 2: different ways, and that really freed up my headspace to
Speaker 2: look at more important things, like the way people would
Speaker 2: overreact in certain situations, or when people weren't being consistent
Speaker 2: with their personality. I wasn't getting distracted by, you know,
Speaker 2: information that didn't matter.
Speaker 1: So in taking that on board, were you right or
Speaker 1: was it just a really good starting off point? Oh?
Speaker 2: No, it was. It was correct. When we came in.
Speaker 2: You saw in episode one everyone was going after Payden.
Speaker 2: You know, there's this idea that he had, I don't know,
Speaker 2: done something with his body when we were in the
Speaker 2: banishment room, and you know, I knew that was nothing.
Speaker 2: I mean, it could be because he was stressed and
Speaker 2: we did see he was an anxious mess. Whereas, for example, Blake,
Speaker 2: who's a pretty steady hand the whole way throughout, is
Speaker 2: all of a sudden having this over the top reaction
Speaker 2: to Ian's exit when I know they liked each other,
Speaker 2: but they weren't super tight in the game, and you know,
Speaker 2: I was pretty sure I'd heard Blake bring up Ian's
Speaker 2: name in the past. So the way that Blake was
Speaker 2: behaving there was inconsistent with his personality and was actually
Speaker 2: shot similar to the way that Sam would behave when
Speaker 2: I knew Sam was lying.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because we're watching the show and
Speaker 1: we're in on the joke kind of thing. You know,
Speaker 1: we know who the Traders are, so for that reason,
Speaker 1: it's hard for us to not understand how you guys
Speaker 1: can't see it because Blake and Sam, to me, just
Speaker 1: look like they're really iffing obvious to be the Traders
Speaker 1: in order.
Speaker 2: To be the kind of nutter that goes on reality TV.
Speaker 2: You've got to be the kind of person who has
Speaker 2: absolute confidence in your own opinions, And there were a
Speaker 2: lot of people out there incredibly confident in their incredibly
Speaker 2: wrong takes. And especially you know, when you have a
Speaker 2: lifetime of experience, you know, in the police force or
Speaker 2: in the military, and you know, you think you're this
Speaker 2: expert in reading people. Who is this little twenty nine
Speaker 2: year old sales rep who's never done anything more challenging
Speaker 2: than a zoom conversation got to teach somebody who has
Speaker 2: that kind of experience behind them. But you know what,
Speaker 2: I would argue that having a bunch of sketchy ex
Speaker 2: boyfriends sets you up way better to read when men
Speaker 2: are playing you than when you've got an entire institution
Speaker 2: backing you in your pursuit of the bad guy.
Speaker 1: Had you met people like Sam before in your world?
Speaker 1: Like did you peg him and say, I've met this
Speaker 1: character before.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? I mean, look, I know a million SAMs,
Speaker 2: so many sales bros. I dated Sam's and I think
Speaker 2: that's why I felt so comfortable with him, because I
Speaker 2: knew exactly who I had to be for him in
Speaker 2: order for him to feel comfortable with me, to trust me,
Speaker 2: and in order to not hurt me. And you know,
Speaker 2: I think it was as soon as we made eye contact,
Speaker 2: I thought, all I need to do is tell this
Speaker 2: guy every day how beautiful he is, how smart he is,
Speaker 2: how and just ustily spotted with him. All I care
Speaker 2: about in this game is you, Sam. As long as
Speaker 2: you and I are good, then I'm happy. And most people, Benjamin,
Speaker 2: if someone said that to them, they would go, all right,
Speaker 2: what's this woman's angle? Instead, Sam has the confidence to think,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I need to get a restraining order
Speaker 2: out on her after this game because she would be
Speaker 2: obsessed with me.
Speaker 1: He leaned into his villainry too well when he was
Speaker 1: being a little bit evil, Like even when you were
Speaker 1: talking about getting rid of Blake, you know, he says
Speaker 1: me too, And the way that he was doing all
Speaker 1: of that just seemed a bit cartoony for me.
Speaker 2: I don't think that Sam is as subtle as Sam
Speaker 2: thinks he is. That's coming from my perspective to Luke
Speaker 2: and I and Gloria to an extent as well, bleedingly
Speaker 2: obvious the chokehold that man has on that hotel, you know,
Speaker 2: Luke and I could not have spelled out more clearly
Speaker 2: last night. This is the evidence. This is exactly how
Speaker 2: we worked it out. And I'm just speaking facts, and
Speaker 2: they're not subtle facts. They're there in your face. Hunt.
Speaker 1: If I was in that show and a personality type
Speaker 1: like you and a personality type like Luke was driving
Speaker 1: that conversation, I would have followed you all the way.
Speaker 2: I'd say two things Ego, as I alluded to earlier,
Speaker 2: you know, you could not shape the confidence that some
Speaker 2: of these people had in their own opinion. You know,
Speaker 2: you had a lot of people there who'd never watched
Speaker 2: Luke play anything before, who had who Luke was, and
Speaker 2: I would you know, I'm I fill a room, I'm
Speaker 2: super super confident, I'm outspoken. You know, I'd like to
Speaker 2: think I'm quite intelligent. I'm very extra and you know that,
Speaker 2: let's be honest, that can be pretty obnoxious on a map.
Speaker 2: You a woman. It's unforgivable. And I don't think that
Speaker 2: people looked to me as someone who they wanted to follow.
Speaker 2: They looked at me as a threat. And I got
Speaker 2: such a different response to the way that I was
Speaker 2: laying out my game as opposed to Sam, who was
Speaker 2: kind of screaming across the table. No one was looking
Speaker 2: at that and thinking that's untoward, that's suspicious, that's too defensive.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a few key points throughout your gameplay
Speaker 1: that I wanted to ask you about. And Guidon and
Speaker 1: I were talking about this when you were crying after
Speaker 1: you eliminated him. We kind of joked a little bit
Speaker 1: about maybe it was a bit sociopathic for you to
Speaker 1: do that. Can you tell me why you were crying
Speaker 1: to eliminate him? Is that because you knew there was
Speaker 1: no other way to play that even though he was
Speaker 1: your mate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there were a few things there. I mean, first
Speaker 2: of all, I'm a girlie who wears a heartless sleeve.
Speaker 2: I am a ball of emotion. I feel my feelings
Speaker 2: very intensely. I'm a passionate person. But there were a
Speaker 2: few things there which had me feeling really emotional, and
Speaker 2: I think the main one was the frustration that my
Speaker 2: agency had been taken away. So as a faithful the
Speaker 2: only thing you have control over is who you vote
Speaker 2: for and banishment and the ability to rally votes in banishment.
Speaker 2: And when Sam had come to me and said we're
Speaker 2: making a move on Ash. I had really committed to that,
Speaker 2: you know, I'd rallied my girlies. I was all in
Speaker 2: on it. I had a really good relationship with Geiiton.
Speaker 2: I felt strongly that he was a faithful but that
Speaker 2: also he was somebody who I could work with strategically
Speaker 2: as well, and so as and you could see Sam,
Speaker 2: you know, making his aggressive faces at me across the
Speaker 2: table at banishment as we're walking into banishment. We don't
Speaker 2: have the votes for Ash anymore. And because Ash really
Speaker 2: is a trader, and because Sam is my Trader protector,
Speaker 2: my Trader daddy, you could say, who's keeping me safe
Speaker 2: from murder? I can't blow up his spot by outing
Speaker 2: Ash if we don't have the votes. So I'm now
Speaker 2: in this really difficult position where I can't rock the vote.
Speaker 2: I have to vote out somebody I know as a
Speaker 2: faithful who I know will work with me down the line,
Speaker 2: and someone I really like. You know, we were a
Speaker 2: bunch of crazies in there, ben people like me who
Speaker 2: are supermanic and extra and we're all making little jabs
Speaker 2: at each other. And Guidon was just like this steady
Speaker 2: rock of calming energy and a presence like that is
Speaker 2: just invaluable. So I was crying for myself, I was
Speaker 2: crying for my game. I was crying for him, and
Speaker 2: I was just crying because I'm like that. You know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me is that I'm always looking at
Speaker 1: the detail. And there is quite a few times in
Speaker 1: the show where you've got tears on your cheeks, but
Speaker 1: they didn't show the crying starting if you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, will not to be shown the full reason
Speaker 1: as to why you were crying, or.
Speaker 2: I was so lucky I had the world's most generous storyline.
Speaker 2: You know, they really got to They really told my
Speaker 2: full story. And I don't need a reason to cry.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I just cry. I mean, you seem sobbing. After
Speaker 2: the first mission, I was crying because I was profoundly
Speaker 2: unfit and having to winch that horse hurt. You know
Speaker 2: for another time. What's another time I was crying. I
Speaker 2: was constantly crying. So I'm not embarrassed by my emotions.
Speaker 2: It's just part of who I am. And I don't
Speaker 2: you know, I cry because I care and because I
Speaker 2: love hard and I play hard, and I think that
Speaker 2: that it's one of my best traits.
Speaker 1: Did you when you turned up. This is what I
Speaker 1: was thinking, you know, being a bit of a super fan,
Speaker 1: you would have all of a sudden seen these familiar faces,
Speaker 1: like I loved when you saw Luke for the first time.
Speaker 1: That would have been my reaction as well. So fair
Speaker 1: play to that is that when it's sort of the
Speaker 1: penny dropped and you realized that it was more the
Speaker 1: format had changed since the year before and it was
Speaker 1: more like the English version. Did you pick up on that?
Speaker 2: Yes, so I had. There were a few things. I mean,
Speaker 2: I wasn't shocked at all that we had sort of
Speaker 2: familiar faces. They'd done the same thing in the USA.
Speaker 2: They did that in Australian Survivor as well, only a
Speaker 2: couple of seasons in I think season three or something,
Speaker 2: so that wasn't surprising. The Trojan Horse challenge we had
Speaker 2: seen already in both the UK and the US version.
Speaker 2: In fact, a lot of the challenges that had been
Speaker 2: similar ones, so you know, that was really helpful. I
Speaker 2: think what was so shocking to me I cannot fathom
Speaker 2: going in to sit a test and not study for it,
Speaker 2: and so to go in there and realize I was
Speaker 2: one of a tiny handful of people who'd watched a
Speaker 2: full season, let alone all the seasons let alone, and
Speaker 2: to interviews with former contestants. I mean most of the
Speaker 2: people there hadn't even seen Luke play. To go in
Speaker 2: and just be playing on a completely different strategic level
Speaker 2: for everybody else to be picking up on that. That's
Speaker 2: what bonded Luke and I so closely was, you know,
Speaker 2: being really two people who saw the game in the
Speaker 2: same way, wanted to play the same kind of strategic game,
Speaker 2: and instead of being able to use that to secure
Speaker 2: the win, it's really just made us threats.
Speaker 1: I love the relationship that you both had. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's as I said a little bit earlier, kind of
Speaker 1: teased that I would have played it the exact same
Speaker 1: way that you did. The only thing I would have
Speaker 1: done a little bit different to your gameplay is I
Speaker 1: may have in the banishment room, I probably would have
Speaker 1: allowed whatever work I'd done before getting in there to
Speaker 1: have been cooked without fully, you know, putting the icing
Speaker 1: on it in that space.
Speaker 2: I think I was set up really, really well in
Speaker 2: the game. You know, I've got the most stubborn voy
Speaker 2: stress traitor in my corner. I've got you know, a
Speaker 2: really strong group of people working with me in the banishments,
Speaker 2: my ultimate flaws, just my entire personality.
Speaker 1: Which makes a good television. Anabelle, I can't I know
Speaker 1: the answer.
Speaker 2: I can't stop myself. I've got to put my hand
Speaker 2: up and give it, and I can't tone it down.
Speaker 2: I just can't, even when I know I should, I
Speaker 2: can't stop myself.
Speaker 1: How much had you thought about that final banishment, that
Speaker 1: when you would be banished, that you would give us
Speaker 1: such a delicious line like the pandas did that just
Speaker 1: come to you in that moment? Horrace? You thought about
Speaker 1: multiple scenarios and quotes that you could use.
Speaker 2: That was the only line that I didn't think up
Speaker 2: on the spot. Everything else I ever said just literally
Speaker 2: spewed out of my mouth with that.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was when we were preparing to go into the banishment,
Speaker 2: and I thought, you know, well, Annabelle, this could go
Speaker 2: tits up for you. There's a really good chance that
Speaker 2: this doesn't work out the way that you want it too.
Speaker 2: And you know I come from a family of conservationists,
Speaker 2: So I thought, let's give a shout out to the animals.
Speaker 2: We love the animals.
Speaker 1: I just loved it so much I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: it was. It was well delivered, it made sense, it
Speaker 1: was perfect. Do you ever get more than one chance
Speaker 1: to say those things? Or was that just how it happened?
Speaker 1: And that is it?
Speaker 2: That is exactly how it happened. You get one go,
Speaker 2: I mean, the bit's slipped out my honestly, I'm getting
Speaker 2: up there and Sam's already got his pre prepared shot face.
Speaker 2: He's like, I couldn't help. I said, Sam, stop pretending
Speaker 2: to be surprised before the moments even happened. Toney, you've
Speaker 2: got thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: This is so good, though, Like you know, just to
Speaker 1: remember to call Sam out exactly, was just that little
Speaker 1: bit more evidence that that's one hundred percent of Trader
Speaker 1: and you got him with that, and then you walked out.
Speaker 2: I swear if this nuclear bomb that we just dropped
Speaker 2: on his lap and exploded all over him isn't the end?
Speaker 2: All of my fingers are crossed for Luke tonight when
Speaker 2: I tuned in tonight, and please let him have been recruited.
Speaker 2: If they don't take out Sam next, then frankly, none
Speaker 2: of them deserve their money at this point.
Speaker 1: Do you also think you could have done anything different?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's soundly. Thing is, I'm wondering if there's
Speaker 1: some Sunday morning quarterbacking that we could do about what
Speaker 1: might have kept you in the game longer.
Speaker 2: Aside from having a complete personality transformation, there's actually three
Speaker 2: things that I think I should have done that could
Speaker 2: have kept me in. Number one, I invested so much
Speaker 2: social cachet in keeping Sarah in the game, so in
Speaker 2: the first banishment she would have gone one hundred percent
Speaker 2: if I hadn't really gone back for her and thrown
Speaker 2: Karin under the bus instead. I did that because I
Speaker 2: felt like Krin, you know, best case scenario, she's a traitor.
Speaker 2: Worst case scenario, she's never going to tell me who
Speaker 2: she's voting to banish. She's never gonna vote with me.
Speaker 2: Whereas I thought with Sarah, if I she's not a traitor,
Speaker 2: obviously she we're both queer women, and if I can
Speaker 2: save her here, then you know, maybe she will stick
Speaker 2: with me moving forward. She was just too chaotic. I mean,
Speaker 2: it should have been red flag number one when she
Speaker 2: didn't vote with us at banishment the next couple of times.
Speaker 2: I all of that time that I was investing moving
Speaker 2: forward and convincing other people, you know, not to banish
Speaker 2: Sarah in reassuring Sarah that her and I were good
Speaker 2: in emotionally supporting her in the game. If I'd let
Speaker 2: her go out first, then that was all emotional energy
Speaker 2: and time that I could have poured into Mistake Number
Speaker 2: two my relationship with Simone. If I'd been able to
Speaker 2: make Simone feel really secure and like I was much
Speaker 2: closer with her than I was with Luke and Sam,
Speaker 2: then I don't think she would have come for me.
Speaker 2: And she was probably one of the few people who
Speaker 2: could have who was essential to my voting blog and
Speaker 2: had the social prowess to pull in other people to
Speaker 2: get rid of me as well. So if I had
Speaker 2: invested all of that time and energy I spent on
Speaker 2: Sarah in Simone, I think that would have been critical
Speaker 2: to my game. And then number three, I needed Hannah
Speaker 2: out early. I wanted Hannah out early because, again, best
Speaker 2: case scenario, she's a traitor. Worst case scenario, I've got
Speaker 2: rid of someone who like honestly, I owe her thousands
Speaker 2: of dollars in back pay and rent the amount of
Speaker 2: time I was living rent free. In that woman's brain,
Speaker 2: she was just convinced I was a traitor and so
Speaker 2: but once we got rid of Ash, there's no way
Speaker 2: Hannah's also a traitor, right, you know, they're too similar.
Speaker 2: So if I had somehow managed to pull off getting
Speaker 2: rid of Planner instead of guiding, or if I'd somehow
Speaker 2: managed to manipulate Sam into pushing for her murder, I
Speaker 2: really think I needed those three things to come together.
Speaker 2: And let's be honest, I've only got so much time.
Speaker 1: In a day, absolutely, right. I mean I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like I can't work out as a viewer if
Speaker 1: Hannah's playing a smart game or she's just winging it,
Speaker 1: like I don't necessarily know whether or not she knows
Speaker 1: what she's doing.
Speaker 2: That yeah, I don't know that she knows particularly what
Speaker 2: she's doing. I mean, love Hannah on below Deck, been
Speaker 2: a huge, huge fan of her for years. My mom
Speaker 2: my Auntie are absolutely obsessed with her. So yeah, it
Speaker 2: was a little bit disappointing that she didn't love me
Speaker 2: as much as I loved her. But I think she's
Speaker 2: really going with her gut. And you know, her and
Speaker 2: a couple of the others, they have a lot of
Speaker 2: experience on television, but perhaps not a lot of experience
Speaker 2: with social strategy.
Speaker 1: Games, Did you actually want to be a trader? Like,
Speaker 1: had you been crossing your fingers to be a trader
Speaker 1: right from the start, and then on top of that,
Speaker 1: once you weren't and you were a faithful, had you
Speaker 1: been crossing your fingers and hoping to be recruited?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So, I mean, as a you want to be
Speaker 2: a trader because you get double the agency. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you're a faithful, you only have control over half
Speaker 2: of the game, and even then you're one vote in
Speaker 2: a pool of what twenty, So if you want to
Speaker 2: maximize your agency, you really do need to be a traitor.
Speaker 2: That said, I think I would make a shocking traitor,
Speaker 2: no poker face. Everything I'm thinking written right across me,
Speaker 2: can't keep my mouth shut. I think I would have
Speaker 2: been gone even sooner if I was a traitor. But
Speaker 2: I was really counting on being recruited, and you know,
Speaker 2: gutted that Sam and Blake didn't recruit Luke earlier in
Speaker 2: the piece, you know, like when they could have, because
Speaker 2: if i'd if I'd had two traded daddies, then maybe
Speaker 2: we could have offed Sam, who was frankly getting on
Speaker 2: my nerves a little bit. By that point, you're.
Speaker 1: Living up to all my expectations of this chat. I
Speaker 1: knew it was going to be good, but I just,
Speaker 1: you know, it's great. That's exactly what I needed. The
Speaker 1: thing that I have a problem with this show for though,
Speaker 1: is that it is kind of designed in a way
Speaker 1: that when it plays out, the quieter, boring of players
Speaker 1: get left to the end, Which isn't that great for
Speaker 1: the viewer, I would say, because we want all of
Speaker 1: the big, noisy players to be the ones that stay
Speaker 1: in the show, but the format doesn't lean itself to that.
Speaker 1: Do you think that at this stage of the game
Speaker 1: we should be fearful that there's going to be some
Speaker 1: very boring people left to the end?
Speaker 2: You know, I think that this is only an issue
Speaker 2: as long as faithfuls aren't playing a strategic game. So
Speaker 2: we're actually seeing that in reverse in Survivor, particularly Survive
Speaker 2: a USA, where the more optimally people are playing the game,
Speaker 2: the more you know, quieter characters are staying longer. Where
Speaker 2: I think with this if all Faithful's come into the
Speaker 2: game looking to shore up their traitor daddy and go
Speaker 2: to war essentially on behalf of their trader with their
Speaker 2: little pocket of faithful supporters, and they back their traitor
Speaker 2: against the other traitors, and it becomes more of a
Speaker 2: not just blindly shooting in the dark hoping that you
Speaker 2: hit the right target. I think that's when we're going
Speaker 2: to see big gameplay. We're going to see you know more.
Speaker 2: I mean I came for Korean and was happy to
Speaker 2: boot Ian because again, worst case scenario, you're not moving
Speaker 2: my game forward. You're not voting with me, you're not
Speaker 2: throwing any names out, you're not feeding me information about
Speaker 2: where your vote's going to go. So I think if
Speaker 2: everyone is coming in with this strategic mindset, that's when
Speaker 2: I think we're going to start seeing all of the
Speaker 2: big characters lasting longer in the game.
Speaker 1: Can you see really Sam, I mean you kind of
Speaker 1: answered this before, but can you see Sam and Blake
Speaker 1: being there towards the end?
Speaker 2: Surely not. I mean, it's so it was so frustrating
Speaker 2: in the real time at my banishment, and again watch
Speaker 2: it on television last night that again speaking facts and
Speaker 2: no one's seeing it. But surely now that I have
Speaker 2: gone out and I'm faithful in More Universe, even giving
Speaker 2: these people the most minimal amount of credit would they
Speaker 2: not target them.
Speaker 1: Can you please apply for the English version immediately? Like
Speaker 1: aus In, I think I just need to go and
Speaker 1: see you do a different format of the show. And
Speaker 1: it's not something I've ever said to anyone on any
Speaker 1: reality show that I've ever done an exit interview for.
Speaker 1: I just would love that so much. So that's a
Speaker 1: little project for you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. I'll make sure I renew my
Speaker 2: passport asap.
Speaker 1: I am a pee girl friend. You know. I also
Speaker 1: was going to say I'm finding Liam a little bit sexy.
Speaker 1: I don't know whether or not. I guess you guys
Speaker 1: get locked up at nighttime, so there's no chance for
Speaker 1: any romances. But you know, if you weren't locked up
Speaker 1: at night and they probably did give you guys some
Speaker 1: more booze, would there have been any relationships happening like that?
Speaker 2: We stand a short king, what can I say? And
Speaker 2: you know what, a lot of my male friends also
Speaker 2: eyeing up a slice of Liam. I gotta say he's
Speaker 2: been a real hit. Yeah. Liam is absolutely adorable and
Speaker 2: obviously love a snack I can eat alive. Liam was
Speaker 2: pretty intimidated by me. I think might have weed his
Speaker 2: pants a little bit every time I hit on him
Speaker 2: for gags, but yes, he was probably grateful he had
Speaker 2: security outside his room. Let's be honest.
Speaker 1: I don't know why the same thing happened to last
Speaker 1: year with the same show. I can't remember his name now,
Speaker 1: so it obviously goes to show that I'm very fickle.
Speaker 1: But there was someone who looked very similar to him
Speaker 1: last year that did quite well.
Speaker 2: It was it the other Sparky? Was it like basically
Speaker 2: his same ark type again.
Speaker 1: One per thank you for coming with me on that one.
Speaker 1: It is just the same person again, and I have
Speaker 1: the same weird crush on him, and I think this
Speaker 1: the one from last year was small as well. Anyway, hilarious.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering, after playing this game, you know, and spending
Speaker 1: so much time of pre planning how you would play
Speaker 1: the game, has it affected your life because I know
Speaker 1: that for myself and for people who have done reality shows,
Speaker 1: it kind of changes the dynamics and social situations and
Speaker 1: you can't help but start evaluating people and looking at
Speaker 1: people differently. How has the aftermath been?
Speaker 2: It was nowhere near as stressful as I thought it
Speaker 2: would be. So I'm a massive nerd. I've done like
Speaker 2: the online versions of Survivor I done in real life,
Speaker 2: amateur versions, and all of those the where you're playing
Speaker 2: with other unhinged super fans, so they were really really
Speaker 2: full on. I think the online one I did went
Speaker 2: for something like two and a half months. That really
Speaker 2: kind of messed with my head and took a while
Speaker 2: to come out of afterwards. So comparatively, this was pretty
Speaker 2: low key, and I have come out not super paranoid,
Speaker 2: and the way I went out couldn't have been more
Speaker 2: perfect as well. I think if I'd been murdered, you know,
Speaker 2: you'd have going through your head, what did I do wrong?
Speaker 2: What happened? Having to sort of wait for the show
Speaker 2: to come out, whereas you know, with this, I know
Speaker 2: exactly what happened. It was the dumb dums, and so
Speaker 2: I had that closure. I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it well. I'm always going to be in
Speaker 1: your audience. But the last question I'll ask you is
Speaker 1: something that I ask everyone who joins the podcast. What
Speaker 1: is something from behind the scenes, from your experience, something
Speaker 1: that we won't see this an audience from filming The
Speaker 1: Trader season two.
Speaker 2: So every night when I went back to my hotel room,
Speaker 2: I would lie in bed and I would spend hours
Speaker 2: committing to memory who was in what challenge car that day,
Speaker 2: you know, what order did people come into breakfast, and
Speaker 2: they'd have had more time to talk to each other,
Speaker 2: who voted for who banishment and sort of letting all
Speaker 2: of this marinade in my mind and connect it back
Speaker 2: to the sort of previous days to really try and say, Okay,
Speaker 2: well that person's probably not a traitor or there was
Speaker 2: a little bit of consistency here and that helped piece together.
Speaker 1: Blake, I think you are television gold and I'd love
Speaker 1: your insights.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much, and thank you. This has
Speaker 2: been so much fun. I'm so excited to finally meet you,
Speaker 2: and this has just been the best