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Speaker 1: We know that we are just days out from the

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Speaker 1: have emerged. With a character reference for Nari ar Kit

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Speaker 1: which was written some time ago by independent candidate for Karama,

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Speaker 1: Justine Glover, being dropped into people's letterboxes. Now we've got

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Speaker 1: a copy of this letter. It was an email printed

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Speaker 1: on yellow paper that Justine sent on the twenty fifth

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Speaker 1: of January this year, before she'd even decided to run

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Speaker 1: in the election. As I understand it now, it outlines

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Speaker 1: their long standing sort of relationship and that Nari is

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Speaker 1: keen to drive positive change in the community and the

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Speaker 1: key issues in the electorate. Now it ends by saying

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Speaker 1: that Nari's in the Nari's the better candidate and has

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Speaker 1: the fire and integrity to represent her communities. Now joining

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Speaker 1: me on the line right now is the independent candidate

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Speaker 1: for Karama, Justine Glover. Good morning to you. I seem

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Speaker 1: to have lost Justine for some reason. That phone line

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Speaker 1: has dropped out. I've lost Justine Glover, so hopefully that's

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Speaker 1: her calling back through or I'm sure that Krystal will

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Speaker 1: we will just be able to line that up in

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Speaker 1: a moment. So yeah, it's Look, it's pretty ordinary stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think when you're when you're playing politics, or it's

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Speaker 1: not really playing, but when you are involved in politics,

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Speaker 1: I always think, if you want to win, win fairly.

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Speaker 1: Now joining us on the line, Justine Glover, good morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, good morning listening.

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Speaker 1: Not sure what happened then, but we'd lost her for

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Speaker 1: some reason. Justine, Now tell me what is the go

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Speaker 1: with this letter that the Labor.

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Speaker 3: Party is dropping in people's letterboxes.

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Speaker 2: I know, it's bizarre, isn't it. I got Center Text

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Speaker 2: on Friday with a copy of the flyer, which is

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Speaker 2: this you know, yellow paper. It's got my logo, my photo,

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Speaker 2: and it is an email that I sent Sinnari in

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Speaker 2: January from the Karama Community Guarden and it was endorsing

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Speaker 2: sponsor member of the garden, known her for years and

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Speaker 2: it was well before I had any thoughts about running myself.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's just when it was sent to me,

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Speaker 2: the comment was how low will Labor go? It was

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Speaker 2: just such a dirty tactic. It was totally unexpected.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's clear for me, based on the letter

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Speaker 1: that you've written about NAI's quite some time ago, so

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Speaker 1: in January and taken totally out of context.

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Speaker 3: It's clear to me that in the.

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Speaker 1: Past you've had quite a good working relationship with her.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what was your reaction on a personal level

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Speaker 1: when then you've seen that her teams resorted to doing this.

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Speaker 2: It was I mean, it was really hurtful because I've

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Speaker 2: always said to MARII I'm not running against you, I'm

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Speaker 2: and I knocked on the bus door and I said, Nri,

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Speaker 2: Guard and I wrote it as someone you know, as

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Speaker 2: knowing you as a person, and I've always said I'm

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Speaker 2: her response to me was I am the party, Justine,

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Speaker 2: and I just looked at her and I just you know,

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Speaker 2: there was nothing more I could say. I just solidified

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Speaker 2: why I'm standing because you know, she's the party. She

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Speaker 2: listens to the party and not the people, and that's

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Speaker 2: what we need. Independents who listen to the people and

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Speaker 3: I mean, look to me, it seems like a low blow.

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Speaker 1: I've got to be honest, I'd be pissed off if

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Speaker 1: it was if somebody had done that to me and

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Speaker 1: you've got red shirts delivering this to people's mailboxes and

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Speaker 1: insinuating basically throughout this letter that you know, you're telling

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Speaker 2: I know, but it's totally backfix Katie. Yes, the community.

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Speaker 2: I have had so many people ring me, stop me

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Speaker 2: that is low So it is just, you know, it

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Speaker 1: Look, it's obvious that that's the case. I think we're

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Speaker 2: And what really blew my mind was Eva Laula coming

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Speaker 2: why not circulate it. But the Electoral Commission has said

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Have you had any update from the Northern Territory

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Speaker 2: Not today, yesterday. I have seen a letter that they

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Speaker 2: I have had discussions with them saying I believe that

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Speaker 2: It is no repercussion.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think you're spot on.

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Speaker 1: I know that you said that you'd sort of raised

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Speaker 1: Have you said anything else to her?

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Speaker 2: I've seen her once in the distance, but she kept

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Speaker 2: her distance. But the other thing is I have had

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Speaker 2: out for someone to listen and act for them and

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Speaker 1: Look, I don't think it does a lot in terms

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Speaker 2: No, I was totally surprised, and I think it just

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Speaker 1: Now, tell me in terms of you know, like you

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Speaker 2: I think it's turned on them. It's had major backlash.

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Speaker 2: So it wasn't a positive for Labor at all, and

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Speaker 2: people are just seeing that it's a party machine that

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Speaker 2: their goal, just to win, not to do the right

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Speaker 1: Hey, Justine, did you receive one of those text messages

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Speaker 3: People are really fired up about this too.

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Speaker 2: No, I haven't got a text message.

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Speaker 1: Oh so they've So they're sending out text messages as well,

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Speaker 1: now in different electorates or in different areas. Out in

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Speaker 1: people saying LABEL will build twenty seven hundred bush homes,

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Speaker 1: but if the CLP get in, all of that will

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Speaker 1: But I also received on myself, and it basically says

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to find the exact words. The COLP

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Speaker 3: You know, it's saying that they're going to what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that, you know, what do you make

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Speaker 2: It's just such a negative campaign. It's scared tactics and

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Speaker 2: what I would hope to see and what Independent talk

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Speaker 2: about is a positive campaign. What we can do working collaboratively,

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Speaker 2: working positively, you know, working for long term goals, not

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Speaker 2: scaring people into changing how they're going to vote. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's just such a short term dirty trick and we

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Speaker 1: Justine, when you look at and when you know, when

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Speaker 1: there is this discussion about whether the Independence will hold

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Speaker 1: the balance of power, how you go with that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, who would you side with?

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Speaker 1: Are there any sort of absolute, you know, absolute sort

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Speaker 2: That is just such a huge question and we're getting

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Speaker 2: it all the time, and it's really like Independents working

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Speaker 2: collaboratively with either side to make sure we get the

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Speaker 2: best interest for the people. But what we need is

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Speaker 2: money invested back in the community, the people and stop

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Speaker 2: letting the corporation, you know, monopolizing and capturing our parliament

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Speaker 2: and our parliamentarians and focusing on what's best for our

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Speaker 2: so they can actually change our community, make it safe,

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Speaker 2: make it a place to thrive, and that our children

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Speaker 3: Hey, justin one quick, last one.

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Speaker 1: I know that a lot of our independents have been saying, look,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to those preferences, we're not telling territorians

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Speaker 1: how to preference. We are just saying to them, you know,

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Speaker 1: vote for me. Basically, did you have how to vote cards?

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Speaker 1: And where did they play?

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Speaker 3: Snari?

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Speaker 2: No, I've got how to vote cards, but it's just

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Speaker 2: me number one. And then you say, you know, what

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Speaker 2: does your principle say? What does your heart say? Is

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Speaker 2: the next best person to lead our community? And it's

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Speaker 2: over to them?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough.

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Speaker 1: No, I was more thinking, goodness, me, has what's happened

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Speaker 1: in the last sort of you know, a couple of

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Speaker 1: days changed your mind about where those preferences may have been,

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't sound as though you had a preference

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just concerned about both parties because it is

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Speaker 2: a party and they're both looking after their party rather

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Speaker 2: than the people, and that's why we need more independence

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Speaker 2: to hold them to account and really challenge some of

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Speaker 2: those decisions that they're making.

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Speaker 1: Well, justin Glover, the independent candidate for Karama, I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time this morning, and and yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: keep your head held high. I think when those dirty

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Speaker 1: tricks are involved, you've just got to keep working hard.

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Speaker 2: Right, That's what we're doing. And thanks for your time, Katie,

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Speaker 2: No worries, thank you,