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Speaker 1: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners. Well from the

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Speaker 1: Kezia Puric. Good morning to Eu Keezier, God's own country,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Nari, Morning Katie, morning listeners, and.

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Speaker 1: From the Northern Territory News making his debut this morning,

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Speaker 1: Alex Tracy, Good morning to you, Alex.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, Good morning all.

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Speaker 1: Lovely to have you on the show. Now we are

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Speaker 4: That's right, Katie, and I think that your listeners would

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Speaker 4: I mean later in August, territorians are going to have

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Speaker 1: Monday night, a sequence of criminal events unfolded it across

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Speaker 1: The four alleged defenders, so one of them an eleven

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Speaker 1: Now you know, Martin, there's going to be people listening

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Speaker 7: I don't have that accurately information, but they are youth Katie.

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Speaker 1: So they were bailed. He didn't have the specifics as

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Speaker 6: I heard that interview with the police gentleman, and he

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Speaker 4: You go to Maria, Yeah, and Casier and Katie. I

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Speaker 1: What's it going to take for.

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Speaker 4: The Territory Labor government to actually realize that so many

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Speaker 4: Yeah, these young people, what.

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Speaker 4: Exactly casier? And you know, for all Labour's promises about

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Speaker 1: Well, Narri, I mean, you are the minister that's responsible

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Speaker 1: Because we hear this term really very often. It's something

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Speaker 5: And hearing about this serious incident was absolutely heartbreaking and terrifying.

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Speaker 5: And so with young people, when you're under the age

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Speaker 5: They should be working. They should be dropped home to

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Speaker 5: Don't understand the behavior, Mary Claire, how on earth are

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Speaker 5: So it'll be and I'm not a lawyer, that it

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Speaker 5: So as a Minister for Territory Families, to make sure

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Speaker 5: like Kesey said, working within the Bail Act. The courts

436
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Speaker 5: can also grant bail and so there's different conditions of

437
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Speaker 5: bail at both of those levels. Every child, whether you're

438
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Speaker 5: six years old or sixteen, there are consequences and responsibilities there.

439
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Speaker 5: So my job as a Minister for Territory Families is

440
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Speaker 5: to ensure that all of the parents are supported to

441
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Speaker 5: parent their child properly. And where that does not occur

442
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Speaker 5: and they don't come to the table, there's got to

443
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Speaker 5: be those provisions in place where they're hell to account.

444
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Speaker 5: So Mary Clay has been asking about different support programs.

445
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Speaker 5: There's tail end point and family responsibility agreements. But what

446
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Speaker 5: my department has been focusing on a lot is making

447
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Speaker 5: sure that there are safety plans from the get go,

448
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Speaker 5: and that as part of the process about visiting the

449
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Speaker 5: responsible adult the next day to ensure that there is

450
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Speaker 5: a plan in place, a safety plan so that the

451
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Speaker 5: young person can learn right from wrong, undertaking assessment and

452
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Speaker 5: get the supports they need to avoid that behavior again.

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Speaker 1: So I've got to say, because what very often what

454
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Speaker 1: we hear from the Northern Territory government, like what you've

455
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Speaker 1: just said to me, then you go okay, Well that

456
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Speaker 1: actually sounds quite reasonable. It sounds like different things are

457
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Speaker 1: being done to make sure that that kids are safe

458
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Speaker 1: and that they are not engaging in criminal activity. However,

459
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Speaker 1: it continues to happen, and unfortunately, the level of violence,

460
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Speaker 1: the level of brazenness, the level of absolute non care

461
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Speaker 1: about the consequence to themselves or the danger that they're

462
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Speaker 1: putting themselves in or others, seems to be escalating. I mean,

463
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Speaker 1: the issue with the machete and somebody being carjacked is

464
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Speaker 1: just one thing that's happened this week. It's been widely

465
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Speaker 1: reported in the Australian newspaper over the last week as

466
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Speaker 1: well about the incidents in Alice Springs. You know, there

467
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Speaker 1: are people questioning what is going to have to happen.

468
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Speaker 1: Is a car load of kid's going to die before

469
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Speaker 1: the government takes really serious action here. That's what the

470
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Speaker 1: community is saying right now. Is an innocent victim going

471
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Speaker 1: to have to die? What is going to happen? What's

472
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Speaker 1: the benchmark for the government to go? Do you know what?

473
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Speaker 1: Maybe we need to recall Parliament, Maybe we need to

474
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Speaker 1: actually do something really urgently here to intervene because it's

475
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Speaker 1: not working.

476
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Speaker 5: So we're undertaking a whole suite of work that has

477
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Speaker 5: all evidence based to ensure we get the outcomes that

478
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Speaker 5: we all need and the territory, the safe territory that

479
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Speaker 5: we all deserve, and we're looking at the pointy end

480
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Speaker 5: and we continue to work that way. We open the

481
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Speaker 5: redevelopment of the Alice Springs Youth Detention Center. We did

482
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Speaker 5: the walkthrough with a lot of the stakeholders who are

483
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Speaker 5: very engaged in that process. It's making sure, like you said, Katie,

484
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Speaker 5: that these young kids have a safe home to grow

485
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Speaker 5: up in, that they have responsible.

486
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Speaker 2: Parents who are caring for them. Where that does not

487
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Speaker 2: take place.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, I still have I think it's close to a

489
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Speaker 5: thousand kids in care, so where parents are not doing

490
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Speaker 5: their job, And this is the conversation I was really

491
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Speaker 5: had to have with Marion Scrimjoys. But in the last

492
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Speaker 5: two days in our springs, I meet with Marion most

493
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Speaker 5: of the times when I can catch up with her

494
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Speaker 5: and she's in town. And there were two things that

495
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Speaker 5: we spoke about clearly yesterday Katie and others and listeners.

496
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Speaker 5: One of them was where a parent is not doing

497
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Speaker 5: the right thing and they are on supplemented income, can

498
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Speaker 5: they be targeted income managed? And so we So that's

499
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Speaker 5: a very frank and clear conversation that Marian and I

500
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Speaker 5: are on the same page, and I'm going to be

501
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Speaker 5: taking that up to the Feds to say we need

502
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Speaker 5: to look at how we.

503
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Speaker 2: Do things different.

504
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Speaker 5: If a parent is not going to parent despite all

505
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Speaker 5: of the supports in place, then they shouldn't be afforded

506
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Speaker 5: the opportunity for that to continue.

507
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Speaker 1: So how soon can something like that happen? That's the

508
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Speaker 1: question people are asked. So it's the.

509
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Speaker 5: Federal government who's responsible for that. So I will be

510
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Speaker 5: making phone calls after I leave this studio now that

511
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Speaker 5: I know that I've got you know the member for

512
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Speaker 5: Lingiari who works extremely hard for the Central Australian region

513
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Speaker 5: and we're both on the same page. The other thing

514
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Speaker 5: is about royalties, Katie and others, and so looking at

515
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Speaker 5: how Aboriginal royalties are paid and through the system and

516
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Speaker 5: whether or not just federal government it can be deemed

517
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Speaker 5: and included as income and there are textans out there

518
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Speaker 5: that are setting vulnerable people up for further failure. My

519
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 5: job is to come in for the last seventeen weeks,

520
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Speaker 5: have a look at things, operate and fix them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, can I just ask, though Marion has said

522
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Speaker 1: that the government needs to stop pussyfooting around, do you

523
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Speaker 1: think you need to stop pussy footing around? She's talking

524
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Speaker 1: about the NT government.

525
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Speaker 5: We are not pussy footing around. We are looking at

526
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Speaker 5: this very seriously. One of the things that I need

527
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Speaker 5: to do as a Minister for Territory Families is ensure

528
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Speaker 5: that our communication is very clear. We are not just

529
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Speaker 5: hanging around the tail end of the system where our

530
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Speaker 5: young kids are out there with machetes and kajaki.

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Speaker 1: If you're not pussyfooting around, though, why is it taken

532
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Speaker 1: until now seven years in to go all right? We

533
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Speaker 1: need to look at things like royalties. We need to

534
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Speaker 1: look at things like income management and how we change

535
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Speaker 1: this system to stop setting families up for failure, but

536
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Speaker 1: stop allowing kids to go down this path right like

537
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Speaker 1: you're talking about earlier in the week and eleven year

538
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Speaker 1: old kid. You guys have been talking about generational change

539
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Speaker 1: since you were elected. That kid's grown up under your

540
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Speaker 1: generational change and it hasn't worked by the look of USh.

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Speaker 5: So, like I said, Katie, I came in as a

542
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Speaker 5: Minister for Territory, Families and Urban Housing and New Seniors

543
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Speaker 5: and Equality back in late October last year, and so

544
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Speaker 5: I hit the ground running. I have, you know my

545
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Speaker 5: lens that I throw over everything I do. I'm an

546
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Speaker 5: almost forty three year old Aboriginal on torost jot Islander,

547
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Speaker 5: territory and woman. I get to see things very differently.

548
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Speaker 5: I'll walk in both worlds, so I get to understand

549
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Speaker 5: more clearly what's working and what's not working, not unlike

550
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Speaker 5: you know Mulanderry McCarthy and Marian Scrimjaw. And so taking

551
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Speaker 5: those ideas from my own experience around the table with

552
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Speaker 5: my government and making sure that we get the mc

553
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Speaker 5: Guernsey in partnership with others holding people to account the

554
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Speaker 5: right way. There is Aboriginal culture at the forefront of

555
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Speaker 5: everything I do, because most of the kids in attention

556
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Speaker 5: today are Aboriginal. Most of those kids who are committing

557
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Speaker 5: these crimes are Aboriginal. Most of those parents who aren't

558
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Speaker 5: looking after their kids are Aboriginal.

559
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Speaker 2: We know that very well, and.

560
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Speaker 5: So some of those really tough conversations have been occurring

561
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Speaker 5: for a new way of what do you think?

562
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Speaker 1: For that reason, it makes a department, It makes some

563
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Speaker 1: people scared to actually remove a child from what could

564
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Speaker 1: be a dangerous situation because they are fearful that they

565
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Speaker 1: are You know that it's going to be deemed as

566
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Speaker 1: being a racist thing to do.

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Speaker 5: It's a very good question and my answer is no.

568
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Speaker 5: So from day one when I came in this portfolio,

569
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Speaker 5: I made it very clear to my CEO, senior management

570
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Speaker 5: and the entire team who work incredibly hard in territory families,

571
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Speaker 5: you do not see the race or of a child.

572
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Speaker 5: You find out what led to what the situation they're in,

573
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Speaker 5: and you hold people to account, and where it is

574
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Speaker 5: unsafe or dangerous, you remove that child. You don't worry

575
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Speaker 5: about anything else. I have had strong conversations with a

576
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Speaker 5: lot of our leaders and they are on the same page.

577
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Speaker 5: And so I had this unique opportunity as a born

578
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Speaker 5: and bred Aboriginal territory and woman, to do things a

579
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Speaker 5: little bit differently.

580
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Speaker 2: And that's what I'll continue to do.

581
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Speaker 1: And what are the things that hold these people to account? Nari?

582
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm hearing a lot.

583
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Speaker 4: Of things, how you're supporting them, and there's all these

584
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Speaker 4: people to working really hard to make this happen. Said,

585
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Speaker 4: we are no better off in the territory now, are

586
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Speaker 4: actually worse off than we've ever been before.

587
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Speaker 1: And the Deputy Police Commissioner told us the other day

588
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Speaker 1: that we're actually crime is five times higher over the

589
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Speaker 1: last three years, so we have a we.

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Speaker 5: Have more young children who are in that justice space,

591
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Speaker 5: my understanding is than ever before. And so having a

592
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Speaker 5: look at everything that's working and not working.

593
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Speaker 2: Is absolutely at the top of what we've dow.

594
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Speaker 5: So we support families to better support their child because

595
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Speaker 5: if you go worst case scenario, and as a Minister

596
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Speaker 5: for Child Protection, if I was to take every naughty

597
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 5: kid into care today, what would that look like. I

598
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Speaker 5: would not have the careers. I would not have the

599
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Speaker 5: budget and we would have a whole bunch of people

600
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Speaker 5: if created children and don't have to take responsibility for them.

601
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Speaker 5: And so we make sure there are parenting support programs,

602
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Speaker 5: financial counseling, We make sure people are added to the

603
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Speaker 5: Bend drinker register. I will now go to the federal

604
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Speaker 5: level and work closer with my federal counterparts, with Marion

605
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Speaker 5: scrim Dawl support to say, can we look at targeted

606
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Speaker 5: and that happened urgently?

607
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Speaker 1: So can that happened urgently? Because honestly, people are just

608
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Speaker 1: going to be screaming right now, going why are we

609
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Speaker 1: only talking about this now? Catie Cardie. It has been

610
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Speaker 1: talked about it, but it's never happened. Hasn't agreed?

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Speaker 6: And just to raise on one issue that and I

612
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Speaker 6: mentioned is mining rules, mineral rualties, exploration compensation payments, but

613
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Speaker 6: particularly mineral rut It's particularly in Central Australia because they

614
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 6: come from the granite' Goal mine and they have been

615
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Speaker 6: coming over two people in that area in around Dallas

616
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 6: Springs for decades and they are lumped lump sums, you know,

617
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Speaker 6: when it's royalty time, they have their lump some payments

618
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Speaker 6: they go in and they buy cars.

619
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Speaker 1: You know, it's a great it's an ultimate consumer.

620
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Speaker 6: They get the money, they pass it out into the

621
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Speaker 6: community and we're talking tens of millions of dollars over

622
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Speaker 6: the last twenty thirty years that those gold mines have

623
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Speaker 6: been operating in the Tanami. They get cash payments. They're

624
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 6: still also getting their benefits or whatever they get from

625
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 6: the Coomorf government pensions, keras pensions whatever.

626
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Speaker 1: Those royalties are not taxed.

627
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Speaker 6: They are straight cash advances to ambitional people and they

628
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 6: are being squandered, are being squandered, and it's contributed over

629
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Speaker 6: the decades to what we now have as a problem

630
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Speaker 6: in our territory. That comes back to the Aboriginal land

631
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Speaker 6: rights ack. It comes back to the statutory land councils

632
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Speaker 6: and the royalty associations.

633
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Speaker 1: Within that structure.

634
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Speaker 6: And that's why someone I don't know if it's marriage

635
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 6: scrimgeal or Chief Minister Lawler talked about the Kate Warden

636
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 6: talked about what land councils are doing in regards to

637
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Speaker 6: their role and their job, which is basically to be

638
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 6: representing their constituents and managing the land on behalf of constituents,

639
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 6: but you know, we're talking millions, if not billions that

640
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 6: have contributed to this problem and it's not going away.

641
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Speaker 6: So in that package NARI where you talk about the comms,

642
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Speaker 6: that's where there needs to be changed in regards to

643
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Speaker 6: the Aberginal Land Rights Ack and the royalty associations.

644
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Speaker 3: I unfortunately don't really think there's a quick fix to

645
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Speaker 3: this issue. It's it's really been decades in the makking

646
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Speaker 3: and so, you know, I ultimately think when we talk

647
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Speaker 3: about parental responsibility, having a safe home, I think that's

648
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Speaker 3: really at the crux of that. And unfortunately there's not

649
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Speaker 3: something you can there's not a wand you can wave

650
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Speaker 3: to fix that. You know, But when you have a

651
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Speaker 3: secure home where it's a nice place to go to,

652
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Speaker 3: when you're connected with school, where you can see a

653
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Speaker 3: path through employment, when you have the example of parents

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Speaker 3: in secure employment, that's that's the sort of thing that

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Speaker 3: prevents you from roaming the streets at night, from committing crimes.

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Speaker 3: And unfortunately, I don't think there's a wand you can

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Speaker 3: wave to fix that. And I'm not sure that you know,

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Speaker 3: reducing the income of households by you know, prescribing payments

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Speaker 3: or anything like that. You know, I don't think that

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Speaker 3: that is going to contribute to wars. It's making a happy,

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Speaker 3: stable household.

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I think that the way

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Speaker 1: a lot of people around the territory are feeling at

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Speaker 1: the moment is that they're feeling as though the victim's

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Speaker 1: voices are not being heard. And and you know, this

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Speaker 1: is a really complex issue. It absolutely and you know

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Speaker 1: we've heard that time and time again that it's such

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Speaker 1: a complex thing. But the expectation of the community is

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Speaker 1: that they're safe. Fundamentally, that is it that that people

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Speaker 1: are safe? Who was threatened with machine? Well, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the old question, but who scooped him up? Yeah,

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Speaker 6: you know, he's gone home with the fear of God

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Speaker 6: being put into him by these gumbags.

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Speaker 1: But who scooped him up? Why are we talking about that?

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Speaker 1: And I think the question that a lot of like

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are starting to ask around the place,

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Speaker 1: particularly if you're raising kids here in the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 1: is you're starting to think to yourself, there's a set

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Speaker 1: of rules for those that are breaking the law, and

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Speaker 1: there's a set of rules for kids that are adhering

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Speaker 1: to the law. What you're starting to wonder is when's it? When?

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Speaker 1: When is my child going to be in a situation

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Speaker 1: where a knife's pulled on them? Or when is my

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Speaker 1: child going to be in a situation where their bikes

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Speaker 1: stolen from them and they've got no recourse for any

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Speaker 1: kind of action even though they've been muh and lawns

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Speaker 1: every weekend to earn the money to buy that bike.

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Speaker 1: Or when is there going to be you know, when

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Speaker 1: is my child going to be punched in the face

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Speaker 1: when they're at the shops? Or when's my grandmother? When's yeah?

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Speaker 1: And these are the start These are the kinds of

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Speaker 1: questions that a lot of people are asking right now,

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Speaker 1: and they're feeling like that can happen and there's not

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Speaker 1: going to be a consequence to that happening. And again,

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Speaker 1: I'll go back to I understand, and I do fundamentally

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Speaker 1: understand how complex this situation is with kids not growing

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Speaker 1: up in a safe home. And I tell my kids

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Speaker 1: every day, you are so lucky. You know that you

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Speaker 1: might not realize now, but you're so lucky to be

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Speaker 1: growing up in a home where you're loved, you looked after,

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Speaker 1: you're safe. You don't have to or about being you know,

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Speaker 1: screamed at nothing dangerous happening in your home, but it

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Speaker 1: doesn't give anybody the right to go and do that

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Speaker 1: to other people.

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Speaker 5: You are completely correct, Katie, and every single one of

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Speaker 5: those incidents that you raised, you know we're all sitting

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Speaker 5: here shaking our heads, very frustrated, sad and disappointed, and

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Speaker 5: you summed it up wonderfully. My job as a Minister

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Speaker 5: for Territory Families Youth defending Youth justices to ensure every

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Speaker 5: young Territorian who commits a crime and those under twelve

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Speaker 5: where it would be deemed a crime if it wasn't

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Speaker 5: for their young age, are held to account. That is

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Speaker 5: my responsibility as a Minister for Territory Families. So we

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Speaker 5: make sure that we have the provisions in place to

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Speaker 5: identify who the youth defenders are and that we can

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Speaker 5: go around and meet with their families support them on

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Speaker 5: a better path to the future. Now, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 5: the families are unable to or choose not to play

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Speaker 5: by the rules and get better, then there are severe

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Speaker 5: consequences and some of those include removing the care and

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Speaker 5: protection of that child and being placed into the care

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Speaker 5: under my CEO and Territory Families.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one oh four nine three sixty.

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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. If you've just joined

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Speaker 1: us this morning in the studio from the NT News

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Speaker 1: Alex Tracy, we've got Nari Kit who is indeed the

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Speaker 1: Minister for Territory Families. We've got Keyes here Puric and

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Speaker 1: we've got Mariy Claire Boothby. It has been a very

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Speaker 1: busy morning and well this week we know the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Police their new case management system. It's maybe not

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Speaker 1: gone down quite as well as had been hoped, with

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Speaker 1: frontline officers saying that it's put them at risk and

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Speaker 1: resulted in unlawful arrests. That is what we were told

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Speaker 1: earlier in the week by Nathan Finn, who is indeed

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Speaker 1: the president of the Northern Territory Police Association. He'd also

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Speaker 1: spoken to us about potential unlawful arrests and some concerns

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Speaker 1: when it comes to prosecution briefs and being able to

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Speaker 1: process things. There is no doubt that it's not going down.

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Speaker 1: It's not going down without teething issues, right like and

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Speaker 1: I think that when you are at effectively changing over

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Speaker 1: from a system that you've been using for eons to

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Speaker 1: then going across to something brand new that is very different,

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Speaker 1: there's always going to be concerns, but you want to

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Speaker 1: make sure that they're able to be fixed, they're able

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Speaker 1: to be worked through, and that it's not a burden

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Speaker 1: to those frontline offices.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Katie, and I think. I mean Nathan Finn was

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Speaker 4: on your show earlier this week talking at this very

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Speaker 4: issue of this new system and it's you know, millions

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Speaker 4: and millions of dollars and a lot of years to build,

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Speaker 4: and three months on from it being implemented, they're actually

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Speaker 4: worse off and have more to do now than they've

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Speaker 4: ever had to do before. And of course our police

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Speaker 4: are already absolutely stretched. They will tell you that every

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Speaker 4: day of the week. So the last thing they need

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Speaker 4: is to have this system which creates more work for them,

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Speaker 4: of course, and we're also hearing that the training hasn't

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Speaker 4: been sufficient either. The ways I see it is the

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Speaker 4: Minister for Police came out and said how wonderful it was,

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Speaker 4: and it was they couldn't they couldn't actually go back

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Speaker 4: and get historical data from the new system, so they

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Speaker 4: couldn't compare results. And yet the Police Association president said

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Speaker 4: that that's actually not true. They can.

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Speaker 1: They can apparently, and I'd also ask Martin Dole about

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Speaker 1: this earlier in the week and they will be able

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Speaker 1: to compare that data year on year, I believe, will

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Speaker 1: be able to go back and get it, which is

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Speaker 1: actually it is really quite important in terms of being

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Speaker 1: able to work out with your crime stats are going up,

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Speaker 1: going down, where the more resources are required in certain areas,

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Speaker 1: all that kind of thing, right.

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Speaker 3: There's I think there's an interesting parallel between what's going

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Speaker 3: on with sir pro and also Acacia, the NTE Health

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Speaker 3: sort of big flagship IT system which has recently been

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Speaker 3: suspended temporarily from use in the Palmerston and Royal Darwin hospitals.

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Speaker 3: Similar similar words about that about it being sort of clunky,

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Speaker 3: difficult to use. Katie, I think you're right when you

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Speaker 3: say these big new IT programs and never quite never

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Speaker 3: go that smoothly. Obviously shows there's a bit of work

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Speaker 3: for the government to do in this space to make

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Speaker 3: sure these really critical frontline you know, department's workforces are

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Speaker 3: getting the back end support they need. The other point

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Speaker 3: to be made is I think there's been a bit

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Speaker 3: of sort of lack of clarity about exactly how much

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Speaker 3: pro has cost the taxpayer. I've seen quite a few

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Speaker 3: different figures floated around. I think, well fifty eight million

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Speaker 3: was reported in the ABC today or yesterday, but I

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Speaker 3: know Nathan Finn on ABC has cited the sixty five

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Speaker 3: million dollar figure. I think originally we were talking thirty

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Speaker 3: million dollars. So I think there's just we want to

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Speaker 3: make sure that taxpayers getting banged for buck, and I

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Speaker 3: think there's been a bit of lack of clarity about

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Speaker 3: exactly how much this has cost as well.

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Speaker 1: I will say that I have been told it's it's

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Speaker 1: the same system that's being used throughout a number of

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Speaker 1: other jurisdictions in Australia, or it's certainly being rolled out

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Speaker 1: in other jurisdictions around Australia. So it is obviously a

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Speaker 1: system that will hopefully become easier and better to use.

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Speaker 1: I reckon one of the things that I hope and

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know whether I'm speaking on behalf

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Speaker 1: of frontline offices here, but you sort of you want

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Speaker 1: it to be something that you're able to use in

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Speaker 1: a mobile fashion as well, so that if you're out

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Speaker 1: on a job, you can tick things off and do

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Speaker 1: things as quickly as possible, so you're not going back

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Speaker 1: to the office then with so much paperwork to get

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Speaker 1: to get done. That's in taking you away from your

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Speaker 1: actual job, which is policing.

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Speaker 5: I believe that was the whole premise of it, Katie,

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Speaker 5: and that's everything that we need to see. So, like

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Speaker 5: you said, mobile police need to be out as much

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Speaker 5: as possible and being able to do their jobs out,

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Speaker 5: you know, not stuck behind the office.

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Speaker 2: And so I don't have the figure for SURPRA. I've

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Speaker 2: asked for it.

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Speaker 5: I'll see if I can get that before today's session

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Speaker 5: is over. But as the former Minister for Corporate and

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Speaker 5: Digital Development, that is the department that has looked at

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Speaker 5: all of the government systems. We have looked at the

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Speaker 5: needs of all of the different areas and how to

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Speaker 5: better match what are the up to date systems and

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Speaker 5: for the use and so I take on board what

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Speaker 5: Alex was saying. There are always going to be teething

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Speaker 5: issues when people are changing over from a system that

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Speaker 5: they know and my perhaps feel more comfortable with to

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Speaker 5: a new one, so they are teething issues. There will

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Speaker 5: be ongoing training and support and what's been really great

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Speaker 5: for all of our government systems we've rolled out over

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Speaker 5: seven and a half years is we've seen a lot

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Speaker 5: of early adopters, people who are very tech savty savvy

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Speaker 5: and pro change and so for those who need extra support,

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Speaker 5: DCDD will be working with police to make sure that

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Speaker 5: every single one of those officers get the support they

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Speaker 5: need to be able to use a serpro system.

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Speaker 1: With your hat on as Minister for Corporate and Digital Affairs,

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Speaker 1: how things going now with a Kasha? Is it going

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Speaker 1: to be re implemented or where is it? Ash?

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Speaker 5: So I was a former Minister for Corporate moment now

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Speaker 5: and so that changed in late October and so Akasha,

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Speaker 5: my understanding is in the emergency departments of Royal Darwin

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Speaker 5: and Palmeerson Hospital that's on pause.

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Speaker 2: At the moment.

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Speaker 5: They're using the old system, which is sufficient to get

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Speaker 5: them through all of the entering of data and making

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Speaker 5: sure that patient care.

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Speaker 2: Is all covered.

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Speaker 5: But what we found is after we implemented it and

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Speaker 5: you give them a trial in the actual setting, and

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Speaker 5: so there's a lot of training that goes on in

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Speaker 5: the background. Of course, our emergency departments are very busy,

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Speaker 5: so pulling people off their desk and undertaking the training

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Speaker 5: is very very hard to do. But it's been done

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Speaker 5: quite well. So we're making sure that when the staff

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Speaker 5: members say, oh, this isn't helpful, this screen needs to

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Speaker 5: be here, we need to click on it from there.

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Speaker 5: That's the work that can be updated with the system

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Speaker 5: right now, Well, look.

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Speaker 1: We are did you want to say something Marica one

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Speaker 1: more again?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just going back to that cur pro I just

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Speaker 4: find it quite tricky of Labor. The Police Minister is

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Speaker 4: saying that they can't extract the historical data when we

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Speaker 4: know that crime is the biggest issue on or territorians'

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Speaker 4: minds and police do need to be able to deploy

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Speaker 4: their resources quickly and if they don't have quick access

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Speaker 4: to that then that's not good enough. But also with

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Speaker 4: the Police Association actually saying that they can extract that data,

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Speaker 4: it just shows that Labor have been caught out trying

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Speaker 4: to be all tricky with how this is all working.

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Speaker 4: And Nathan Finn even said that he believed it was

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I do want to say, I accidentally said

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Speaker 1: the wrong figure. Speaking of figures, a couple of minutes ago,

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Speaker 1: when we're talking crime stats with Martin Dole, he said

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Speaker 1: that crime had tripled in five years. I think I said,

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Speaker 1: we've gone up five times in three so I've got

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Speaker 1: the number's mistake. Yes, massive figure. We're going to take

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Speaker 1: a bit of a break before we do wrap up

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Speaker 1: for the morning. You are listening to Mix one O

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Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty. It is the week that was well,

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Speaker 1: that is just about it for us this morning. Of

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Speaker 1: course I'm still on till midday, but that's it for

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Speaker 1: our panel guests this morning. Alex Tracy, good to have

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Speaker 1: you in the studio this morning. Mate. From the end,

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Speaker 1: it's been really fun.

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Speaker 3: I hope i've myself hope I owned myself a second invitation.

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Speaker 1: To wrangle with Matt Cunningham, Georgie or Cat from Channel nine.

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Speaker 1: It's good to have a good panel of Thank you

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Speaker 1: Nria kids so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Katie, thanks panel, thanks listeners.

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Speaker 1: And keezyer Puric has always great to have you in

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Speaker 1: the studio. Can I do a shout out to someone?

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Speaker 1: Why not? Because they love your show?

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Speaker 6: Oh, who's that the people at empty Link at bearrmar Link,

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Speaker 6: you know, thanks Katie showing good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Marie Claire Boothby, thank you for your time this morning.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. And I also want to give a shout

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Speaker 4: out to the Parmesan Game Fishing Club because on the

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Speaker 4: last Friday of every month they do a little club

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Speaker 4: night and they have meals down there. It's a wonderful atmosphere.

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Speaker 1: Head on down wonderful check them out. Marlow's the going

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Speaker 1: wonderful stuff. Well, I'm also being told good news. There's

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Speaker 1: tourists everywhere and all the tourists bussive Fuller down Kavanaugh

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Speaker 1: Street and Smith Street, so that is wonderful to hear.

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Speaker 1: With that cruise ship in town. Good to have you

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Speaker 1: all in the studio. That was the week that was

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Speaker 1: right here on Mix one O four nine