WEBVTT - BONUS: Ruby Franke & Jodi Hildebrandt 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.840 Ruby Frankie and her husband Kevin began posting on the 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:12.160 website YouTube dot com in twenty and fifteen. They posted 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:16.720 family activities, tips, birthday parties, and cooking together as a family. 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:22.520 They became an online sensation. Over the years, criticism began 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.880 to mount on the way Ruby and Kevin were disciplining 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:30.160 their kids. In twenty twenty four, Ruby, along with her 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:35.080 business part of Jody Hildebrandt, were charged with aggravated child abuse. 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:39.040 Oh God, this g is the rise and fall of 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:43.080 Ruby Frankie and Jody Hildebrandt. I don't know this story. 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:47.560 A hot summer morning in Utah, a young, blondhaired boy 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:53.320 knocks on a door. He's extremely malnourished and needed urgent help. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:54.160 Oh God. 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:56.800 He has duct tape around his wrists and ankles, a 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:02.320 bloodstained shirt, and he is extremely After the door is 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.240 not answered right away, he begins to walk away when 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.200 an old man answers the door and calls out for 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.880 him to come back. The man had mobility issues and 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.520 it took him some time to answer. There weren't a 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.600 lot of kids in the community he lived in, so 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:19.759 he thought it was a surprise to see him there. 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:22.000 For that poor kids. Well, going to get help. 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:26.120 And then the closest house was one hundred yards away, 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:28.920 not right next to each other, and he knew that 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.720 a single woman lived there. Her name was Jodie Hildebrandt. 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.480 The young boy needed the police. The boy said his 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:41.119 name and his age. The man called nine one one. 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:44.280 I just had a twelve year old boy show up 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:48.480 at my front door asking for help, and he is said, 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.200 he just came out from the neighbor's house. He is 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:56.760 emaciated and dehydrated. He's got tape around his legs. He's 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:01.640 hungry and thirsty. He has duckt around his ankles. There's 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:02.880 saws around him. 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:03.720 Oh god. 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:06.880 The man's wife can be heard on the phone too. 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:11.000 She is interjecting, saying they need urgent help. The man 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:15.360 is choking back tears. The man's wife gets some food 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.639 and he eats right away. The boy he's extremely happy 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:22.520 to be getting some food. The police and ambulance arrived 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:26.000 to rescue the young boy. He had severe wounds and 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.320 it didn't look like he had been He would have 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:32.160 lasted lasted much longer if he hadn't escaped and found 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:37.440 this man. The boy had five other siblings and was 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:42.320 the son of famous YouTube personality Ruby Frankie. Her brand 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:46.040 had changed quite a lot since she first started. When 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.160 she began her YouTube channel, it was fun, it was vibrant, 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.679 and it was personal. She updated everyone on the day 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.520 to day lives of their Mormon family. There were eight 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.040 people in the family, and so the channel was called 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:04.000 eight Passengers. They soon had over two million YouTube subscribers. 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.359 It was a simple formula and it worked. But sadly, 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.639 as time went on, Ruby became a very different person 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.760 and believed her youngest son and daughter had been possessed 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:15.440 by the devil. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:16.040 Oh god. 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.960 The online world had seen her demise in real time, 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:21.800 and the online world were worried. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:22.920 What year was this? 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:28.000 Sorry? So this was in twenty fifteen when it all 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:34.359 came crashing down? Really sorry, twenty fifteen. Yeah, they started 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:35.520 in twenty fifteen, so. 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:37.480 Yeah, oh okay, but what year was this that he 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.880 twenty twenty four? Oh shit, right? 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:41.280 Yeah, and when they were charged. 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.880 Really recently yeah wow? Yeah, okay. 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:48.200 So Ruby became a different person, believed her youngest son 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.600 and our daughter had been possessed by the devil. The 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:54.520 online world were really worried about her and the kids, 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.040 and the safety of the kids. Her videos became more 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.280 and more about discipline and how she would treat her children. 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:05.520 This g is the story of Ruby Frankie and Jody 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.040 hildebrand Now a lot of people kind of talk about 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.560 Ruby Frankie. They always s Ruby Frankie, but it's important 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:13.360 for me to mention Jody Hildebrandt in the same story. 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:15.480 I said to you the other day, I want to 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.600 do a story about Jody Hildebrandt, And you thought, I said, 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:19.839 Joe hilder. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:23.480 Brand Is Can you talk about Joel He's an Australian 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.479 writer and kind of political commentation media. He's a journeys Yeah, yeah, 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:29.760 media commentator. 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:33.120 Conservative as yes. 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:38.840 Very conservative. I thought it was very funny that there 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.479 was some I worked with him on Studio ten for 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:43.839 I thought it was very funny that there was a 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:44.800 new documentary about him. 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.880 He had done anything, so he's very conservative. A friend 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.400 of mine, Declan fe had this podcast called The Sweetest 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.800 Plum with Nick Maxwell, and if I could get it, 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.480 I will play a bit at the end of Nick 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:02.000 Maxwell going on and on about Joe hildebrand Very very funny. 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:04.880 He just kind of it's about how much he doesn't 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.440 like him, and it is one of the funniest rants 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:09.240 I've ever heard. If I can play a bit, I'll 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.480 try and play a bit at the end because it's very, 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.360 very funny. So gee, I didn't know much about Ruby 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.240 Frankie before I started watching a documentary on Disney Plus 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.560 for those in Australia, called The Fall of Ruby Frankie. 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:24.320 Disney Plus I have always had a subscription too, because 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.640 of course that is where Hamilton is. 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.880 There are a few documentaries that have been released on 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:31.960 the dark side of social media and in fact, kind 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:34.600 of the coultish nature of TikTok. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:36.839 Yeah, there was that TikTok Dances one. 0:05:37.000 --> 0:05:39.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was yeah, and that was a 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.000 big thing. I think there were Mormon as well, I'm 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.320 pretty sure. And also people do that. 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.600 As a treat. Don't don't go and watch that listeners, 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:46.719 We'll do it as a story. 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.200 Yeah, if you want to go viral on TikTok is, 0:05:48.480 --> 0:05:48.960 I'm cool with it. 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:51.720 Me. You're happy if I go viral on TikTok. 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:52.599 Do you dance recording? 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:53.920 Well, okay, I get up in a dance. 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.000 Are recording recording? No? 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.400 I mean the oh I can't get up and do it, 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.040 so I'll just do it like a hand dance. 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.479 You look really happy when you did that. Can I 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.839 just say that if you're watching YouTube, you go down 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.640 for because Jesus did a viral dance. We don't know 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:19.720 what we call the viral before it's even. 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.880 Jesus virals bacterial somehow. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.680 So I didn't know about vologo families in particular of 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.920 Mormon faith, which are quite a few in twenty fifteen, 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:34.520 when this story actually starts. Mormons are the principal branch 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.040 of the Latter day Saint Movement, which is a collection 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:43.440 of independent churches, all originating from Christianity. Was started by 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:47.279 Jesus Christer Smith in upstate New York in the eighteen twenties. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.000 I can tell you the whole story about it. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:53.279 And some in the United States alone there are over 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:58.800 six million Mormons. Mormons believe that the christ Church was 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.400 restored through Joseph Smith and is guided by living prophets 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:03.200 and apostles. 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:08.560 And they believe that Joseph Smith found some golden plates 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:12.160 he buried under a tree on a hill in his backyard, 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.880 and that God had written on these plates, and it 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.800 was like a third part of the Bible exactly, and 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.080 he dug up the golden plates and told them, told 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.320 everyone about them, but wouldn't show anyone. 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:27.040 Believe in the Bible and other books of scripture. Joseph 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:28.320 Smith is going, definitely, I don't know. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.720 I'll just copy them onto normal paper and you just 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.200 got to believe me that they were on golden. 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:36.520 Plates, such as the Book of Mormon, the Book of 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:47.160 They have a unique view. They have a unique view 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:51.720 of cosmology and believe that all people are literal spirit 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:56.240 children of God. Mormons believe that returning to God requires 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.680 following the example of Jesus Christ and accepting his atonement 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:05.480 through repentance and ordinances such as baptism. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:09.360 I'm going to baptize her, going to be there in 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.760 God's glory. Do you regret doing this story? 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:11.960 Yes. 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.720 Ruby Griffiths was born on January eighteen, nineteen ninety two. 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:18.880 It's not very old. 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:19.080 Wow. 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.160 Yeah, and born well, I just say that because I 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.040 because anyone. And born and raised in Utah. She was 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:29.080 raised as a conservative Mormon, one of five siblings, and 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.680 this influenced the way she would live her life, Wanting 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.360 to have a large family when she grew older, Ruby 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.920 Griffiths met Kevin Frankie at the age of eighteen at 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:39.080 a hot dog stand. 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.760 And with he Mormon as well. Yeah, so Kevin is 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.880 the name of Elder Price, Kevin Price. It's actually really 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.040 good because it runs with heaven. 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:47.640 Ah. 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.880 Yes, it's a really good music. 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.880 All the book woman, it is really good. I know 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.000 every word. I'm genuinely like, I know. It doesn't seem 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.320 like I'm holding back, but I'm holding back so many 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:58.240 quotes when you say that. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.760 So Ruby and Kevin fell in love at this hot 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:02.160 dog stand right away. 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:03.079 It's beautiful. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.520 In December two thousand, not long after they met, they 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:09.200 got married. They were both from large Mormon families in Utah. 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.440 Kevin was hard working. He worked his way up to 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:16.760 become a professor at civil engineering at the BRIDGERD. Young University. 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:18.160 Kevin was also. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:18.960 Brigham Young. 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:22.319 Young Brigham. 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:23.760 Yeah, I know that from the musical. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.600 In twenty fifteen. Ruby Frankie was a stay at home 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:30.679 mum of six kids in Springville, Utah. Sick kids or 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.439 a beautiful young family. Ruby's blonde has a huge smile 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:36.200 and really has a lot of like. She has a 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.320 real charismatic personality. You can see this through watching the YouTube. 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:43.280 Kevin was a handsome but very hands off dad. All 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.760 of the kids themselves could be out of a catalog. 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:48.040 All the photos you see if then they've got these 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.560 big smiles on their face. They are all living this 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:51.559 American dream. 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:55.600 I love that is a handsome but hands off describing 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:02.840 as a parent of a father, I suppose as a 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:04.600 YouTube father, it probably does. 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.160 They all went to church on Sundays, had a golden 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:08.560 retriever and a beautiful home. 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:09.480 Ah. 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:12.480 They had from the outside a perfect life, living the 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:17.720 Mormon American dream. In twenty fifteen, Ruby around thirty three 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.520 at the time, started the She Couldn't have been. In 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.800 twenty fifteen, Ruby started the YouTube channel eight Passengers. It 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.280 was a vlog of their day to day life, all 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.920 being passages of the ride of life. To bring joy 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:37.079 and inspire others. They would film going on trips, attending church, 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.640 or just having fun around the house, plus Ruby's tips 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.199 on parenting. She had a strict structure and people really 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.959 seemed to relate to that, with religion being a huge 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:49.400 part of what they were watching. It was a wholesome 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.360 load of content. Really, it was really wholesome and you 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.679 could you really kind of felt like you knew them 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:58.959 through the screen. The documentary I watched shows the dynamic 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.480 between Ruby and care in a pretty interesting light. As 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.240 time goes on, you can see that he is growing 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.400 pretty tired and uncomfortable with having a camera pointed in 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:09.360 his face as soon as he gets home from work. 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.600 You can see her getting frustrated with him when he 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:16.400 can't when he can't say like a simple line to camera. 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:18.280 She gets really frustrated with him as time goes on, 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.160 but he does persist with it. 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.000 Because for her it's work. Yeah, a full time jobs. 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:24.320 He's coming home from having worked for. 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.480 Work. That's right. Ruby really loved it. She dove right 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.480 into this new lease on life. She could add to 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.439 the family income doing what she loved. She was good 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.560 at it too. In the first year, Ruby posted one 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.440 hundred and twenty videos of her and her family and 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:45.120 it was pretty successful right away. It was fun at first, 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.880 and the kids were loving it. They were showing off 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.959 to the camera, and they were becoming known in their community. 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:55.560 Kevin Ruby's husband remarked in the documentary that she wanted 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.160 to be seen as the perfect mum, and you can 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.000 certainly see this. Kevin was in front of the camera 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.360 as much as Ruby and the kids. But the family 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.800 are all kind of childlike in the early videos. They 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.599 play pranks on each other and genuinely seem to like 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:12.920 kind of have a lot of fun together. Seeing this 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.719 nuclear family, no one would ever guess how dark a 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:18.640 story like this could go. 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.320 God Like, there are a few things in the world 0:12:22.400 --> 0:12:24.840 I would be less interested in watching that family. 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.560 No, I know, I know, but that's a thing, Like 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.080 it's not I'm not the target audience. No, but I 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.320 think now you look at like there are people that 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.080 I've seen recently sell out the Palais Theater, the huge 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:40.320 three thousand seater theater in Melbourne, that I go, Holy hell, 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.000 I've never heard of that person. You look at their Instagram, 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.040 you go, it's twenty million followers. You know, they've got 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:46.840 their audience. And I think this is what this was. 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.240 Oh absolutely, Like I'm not a family, I'm not. 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.440 A parent, normal man, you know, nor American. 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:55.400 Yeah, I know, you know. Of well, Ruby was the star. 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.640 The viewers love the kids, and they all had their favorites. 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:00.200 It's kind of like the Brady Bunch, I guess in 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.440 that way. 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.839 It's like watching a TV show, but absolutely. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:08.520 It's YouTube's never been the thing that I go to watch, 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.320 but so many people do love it. 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:12.560 I suppose like this is not that all that different 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.800 to like the concept behind their Kardashians. The only difference 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.360 is that was a TV show, this YouTube. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.440 I don't forget to make it pass on YouTube as well. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.920 Don't forget to subscribe to us on YouTube and you 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:24.840 can see the beautiful dance I did before. 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.640 Not everyone loved them, of course, the comments started asking 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:32.040 about consent of the kids being in the film. Should 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:34.680 they be posting their kids on social media? They're not 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:38.040 old enough to be making these kinds of decisions. Now, 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.240 the kids do feature in the documentary I mentioned earlier, 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.760 so well, we use kind of a few of their names, 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.360 but not all of them, the only the ones. 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.640 If they speak in their interviewed. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.240 But one. But we'll try not to use all of 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.200 their names because some of them didn't consent and it 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.480 wasn't their choice to be part of the story. Yeah, 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.320 and I find that really interesting. I always find it 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.320 interesting when your family will choose whether or not to 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.040 post their children's face on social media. And that's different 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.200 in every you know, Diggs did not have a choice 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:08.480 to not just post his face NonStop. 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:12.240 You use an abuse his shay. 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.719 We're talking about Ruby Frankie's story on the use and 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:15.520 abuse of digs. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.760 You use and abuse Diggs's image for your personal and 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:20.800 financial gain. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.120 Financial let me tell you make some money. Of fact. 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:28.240 What's interesting about this too is Ruby is filming her 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:32.800 kids doing absolutely everything. She's filming them like brass shopping, 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.280 just absolutely everything. So every every part of their lives 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:40.200 was on display. Every single thing is content and there 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.880 are favorites too with videos with one of her kids. Chad, 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.600 who was fourteen, did really really well. 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:49.360 Chad is the most American nemage, it really is, and 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:52.960 Chad Hunter is another like Hunter and Chad. 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.360 If Chad was in a video, it would do a 0:14:57.360 --> 0:15:00.440 lot better than others. Why he kind of liked his 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.240 newfound fame too. He's a very handsome young boy with 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.440 blonde hair and everything, looks like an American kid. He's 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.080 getting lots of attention from girls and he's lapping it up. 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.960 But that only lasts so long. There is some more 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.400 questionable content, like Chad texting a girl and his parents 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.160 reading out the text for everyone, embarrassing him. In front 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:19.920 of the whole family. 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:20.920 Oh my god. 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.400 You kind of understand a little more if this was 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.040 contained to the house, But to put this out there 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:30.240 two millions of describers is very different. In twenty nineteen, 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:35.240 YouTube removed personalized ads on kid content, so instead creators 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:39.200 did more sponsored content. Eight Passengers did all kinds of 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:43.520 deals with companies selling vacuum cleaners, rugs, nappies, anything. In 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:45.400 one year, they were said to have made over two 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:46.280 million dollars from you. 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:47.840 Yeah. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.520 As time went on, we are doing this podcast wrong. Hey, 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:55.400 we're not yet, not with your dancing. As time went on, 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:59.160 Ruby spoke out more and more about her discipline. When 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:01.520 one of her kids left a sock in the garden, 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.440 Ruby shouted at him on camera, making him do press ups. 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:07.920 She threatened another child that she's going to rip the 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:08.920 head off her teddy bear. 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:10.000 Oh my god. 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.760 As time went on, more people started commenting about discipline, 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:18.400 making people many people like kind of making their own 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.320 videos like other people like commenters making their own videos 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:22.720 about it and going what the hell's going on with 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.080 his family? Another one of the punishments with withholding food, 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.440 kids would lose the privilege to eat. Oh god, when 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.720 her youngest daughter forgot to pack lunch one day, she 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.680 didn't take the lunch to her. She made a video instead, 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.560 staying that she needed to learn a lesson and next 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:38.720 time she won't forget to pack it. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:39.520 Oh dear. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:41.920 So the school actually called her like, you've got to 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.520 bring a child. I'm not doing it. The video went 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.600 viral and more speculation began to build online. 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.200 Yeah, I feel like that one didn't go viral for 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:49.760 a good reason. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:52.320 Was she being too harsh with her kids? 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:53.560 Not like my dance? 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.800 Is anyone checking in on her kids? Is there a 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:00.000 welfare check? Chad is soon referred to as the trouble 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.720 maker in the household. Chad isn't in the videos after 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:06.960 a while, and Ruby explains openly that that's because he's 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.360 being punished. He is sent to wilderness camp for wayward 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:14.720 teens to be disciplined for an accumulation of bad behavior 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:18.800 the next video. In the next year, in a video, 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.240 Chad is back in one of the videos, and the 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:24.280 fifteen year old mentions that he has only recently been 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.840 given his bedroom back and for the past seven months 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.400 had been sleeping on a bean bag in the living room. 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:34.040 As punished. Once seven months because he had pranked his 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.880 little brother by pretending they were going to Disneyland. 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:40.840 So wait, the parents are allowed to do pranks for 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:43.520 content for YouTube, but if the kid tries to feel 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.880 prank o lucky. 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.040 A week after the video was posted, a change dot 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:55.639 org petition was filed, which gained almost twenty thousand signatures. 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.320 It demanded that there should be an investigation into Ruby, Frankie, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.320 and eight passengers, but even though the police were aware 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.640 of the channel, there was no actual evidence of abuse. 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.720 There was a big drop off in subscribers during this 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:11.800 time because people started. 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:16.560 Going he was taking his room was taken away, I'm 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.640 not supporting it anymore, and a lot of the supporters 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:20.600 started to pull away because they didn't want to be 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.120 associated with the allegations. 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.920 So the sponsors and everything soarted to pull away. Then 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.960 Ruby started disabling comments and all of the videos, and 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.760 even got her lawyer to send cease and assist letters 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.199 to any of the people negatively vlogging about her and 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:38.720 her family. Ruby and Kevin did an interview with Insider. 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.280 In the interview, Kevin stated that the video was for 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.879 all to see as an inspirational message of how Chad 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:51.240 had overcome the challenges that he'd faced. In twenty twenty one, 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.040 Ruby and Kevin posted a video saying that their children 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.159 are eight and ten years old, had been selfish for 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.719 a long time, and that year wouldn't not be receiving 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.800 any Christmas presents. They had to watch their siblings open 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:08.080 presence on Christmas mornings forgot nothing themselves. 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:09.320 Oh my god, that's awful. 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.240 Ruby stated that she had tried a lot of things 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:14.880 before this and had to go through with this as 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:16.200 a last resort. 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:18.160 No, you didn't have to do that at all. 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:24.159 Despite the escalation in punishments, they were posting less and less. 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:29.720 Then the channel went quiet. Four months later, Ruby started 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:35.240 a new channel called Connecting Connections Classroom. Ruby had had 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:39.560 a makeover and she was now calling herself a mental 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:44.240 fitness coach. She was preaching and talking about living in truth. 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.959 Oh my, this isn't even a poor drupee. This is 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.240 just something I hate say. 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.640 It's my truth speaking truth. 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.760 I'm like, there is the truth and there is falsity. 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:58.520 There's no my truth. 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.879 Ruby wouldn't now give strict parenting advice to Mormon mothers. 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:08.760 Here we meet Jody Hildebrandt. Jody was a licensed clinical 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:13.040 mental health counselor in Utah. She got her license to 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.000 practice in two thousand and three and then became a 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:20.280 clinical counselor in two thousand and five. Her credentials alone 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.160 lent to her ability to be able to understand humans 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:27.040 and their triggers. She was doing really well professionally when 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:31.399 she started earning around thirty thousand dollars per month and 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:35.879