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Speaker 1: Well, earlier in the week you would have heard us

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Speaker 1: The Northern Territories Treasurer and also Minister for Transport into Infrastructure,

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, Good morning everyone in the top end.

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Speaker 1: Now, Minister, you were on the show last week on

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Speaker 2: So we started doing some work and requesting information from

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Speaker 1: So, Minister, I mean my understanding is that you know

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Speaker 1: Think the big question is, you know, like the issue

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Speaker 1: It certainly is. Minister in an ideal world. What are

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Speaker 2: So there's stuff that maybe ACPE could do, but certainly

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Speaker 1: But the problem here is, I suppose is that you

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Speaker 1: indeed stay in a senior role. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And look when you compare those two situations, the fact

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Speaker 2: that the colleing win one was it wasn't done by IKAK.

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Speaker 2: It was given to police and police were investigating that.

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Speaker 2: And the difference here is that the IKAK got this one.

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Speaker 2: There's two sorts of I suppose, different sets of rules.

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Speaker 2: The IKAC one is really quite strict in what you

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Speaker 2: can do and what you can't do, what you can say,

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Speaker 2: and what you can and I thought, it's certainly not

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Speaker 2: in the public eye. Unfortunately, the Colleen Gwin incident was

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Speaker 2: it was pushed through channels. I mean, I said, I'm

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Speaker 2: as frustrated as everybody, Katie. This is it's certainly not

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Speaker 2: what have taken place, But it's up to Ika to

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Speaker 2: make those recommendations.

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Speaker 1: What is going to happen though, if this person is

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Speaker 1: named in parliament under parliamentary privilege, will it be damaging?

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Speaker 2: That will be the next question. So yeah, if that

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Speaker 2: takes place, Katie, then of course whoever that public servant is,

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Speaker 2: their name will be out there in the public domain.

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Speaker 2: I said, it's a very good question. What is going

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Speaker 2: to happen next if that If that happens.

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Speaker 1: It could be it could be very damaging for the

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Speaker 2: Happens, well, and especially and for that individual as well,

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Speaker 2: they'll be publicly named and shamed. If Justine Davis decided

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Speaker 2: to do that under parliamentary privilege, and that's the only

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Speaker 2: place that she could do it because she's not allowed

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Speaker 2: to do it in public because she's also been by

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Speaker 2: the Ikach actor as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, look we are going to be catching up

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Speaker 1: with Justine in just a couple of minutes time. Bill.

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Speaker 1: A couple of listener questions or just really one listener questions.

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Speaker 1: Someone text through and said, didn't Bill Yan talk about

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Speaker 1: this on the week that was on Friday? Didn't he

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Speaker 1: start the discussion about the port?

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Speaker 2: I believe that Luke Gosling was on radio a couple

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Speaker 2: of days in the media a few days before. I

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Speaker 2: always spoke about it on Friday. That's why it was

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Speaker 2: raised on the week that was with you on Friday.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, it's an interesting one. I'll be fascinated to

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Speaker 1: see exactly what comes out of the discussions in Canberra. Bill,

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Speaker 1: keep us up to date. Will be very interested in

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Speaker 1: hearing exactly what happens. Thank you, thanks for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: We'll do have a great day, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You two