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Speaker 1: This is jam Nation with Jones.

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Speaker 2: When I think of David Gray, I think of White Ladder.

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Speaker 2: This was the most extraordinary record that has a remarkable history.

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Speaker 3: It was twenty years ago, twenty.

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Speaker 2: Years and it changed the world. It really did, and

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Speaker 2: it's just as a life for people now as it

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Speaker 2: was back then. Babylon, Please forgive me sail away to

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Speaker 2: celebrate the twenty year milestone. David's hitting the road on

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Speaker 2: tour in Australia on November November and he joins us now,

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Speaker 2: David Gray, Hi, here is hello there. I did Dancing

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Speaker 2: with the Stars many years ago with a young actor

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Speaker 2: called Chris Hemsworth who's gone on to do nothing, but

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Speaker 2: he's I've never heard of him since. But he danced

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Speaker 2: to Babylon on Dancing with the Stars because he said

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Speaker 2: it was his favorite song. And he wasn't a great dancer,

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Speaker 2: but that song got him through till very close to

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Speaker 2: the finals. It was your song that did all the work.

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Speaker 1: I'm digesting that.

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Speaker 2: Information should be the soundtrack to thor.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to say.

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Speaker 4: Congratulations the vanished actor that perhaps that's.

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Speaker 1: What did it for him.

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Speaker 3: It must have been effect.

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Speaker 1: He's now disappeared without a trace.

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Speaker 2: Well, like she's in all the light of thor movies,

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Speaker 2: So I wish I could say he'd disappeared without a trace.

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Speaker 2: So tell us about how you feel about when you

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Speaker 2: sit down to play these songs again. Is it just

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Speaker 2: muscle memory to the memories flow through you? How do

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Speaker 2: you feel?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite a powerful thing.

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Speaker 4: I think when we first toured White Ladder at the time,

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Speaker 4: we didn't have the tech or to start with the

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Speaker 4: money to try and create the album exactly as it was,

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Speaker 4: Whereas coming back to it now, we've kind of honored

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Speaker 4: the whole thing by meticulously creating all the sounds, so

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Speaker 4: we're actually playing it in sequence and as it sounds

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Speaker 4: on the record. It's obviously got a little bit more

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Speaker 4: to it because it's a live thing. But I think

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Speaker 4: when you lock into the soundscape and all the original

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Speaker 4: people around me doing it in that way, it is

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Speaker 4: like time travel. I kind of find myself often drifting

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Speaker 4: back into the room where we recorded it first of all,

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Speaker 4: and so it has a powerful effect.

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Speaker 5: And the last time you were here was in those

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Speaker 5: simple times of twenty nineteen when there was no pandemic

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Speaker 5: and things were great.

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Speaker 1: What have we learned for you.

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Speaker 5: What's been happening in the world of David Gray since

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Speaker 5: twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's been a bit of a an I hope no,

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Speaker 4: hasn't it. I mean, having so much taken away from us.

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Speaker 4: I mean I was very lucky. I mean, I'm wealthy

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Speaker 4: enough and I've got enough space that we're not all

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Speaker 4: sort of punching each other with.

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Speaker 1: Frustration in our house. I've spent so much.

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Speaker 4: In my life sort of away from my kids and

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Speaker 4: away from my family. I think, particularly the first six

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Speaker 4: months or so, it was quite a profound thing because

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Speaker 4: we were all together and we knew we weren't going anywhere, so.

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Speaker 1: We had to kind of. It was quite scary at

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Speaker 1: the beginning.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I took it very seriously, as

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Speaker 4: did most people outside of government.

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Speaker 5: Away from Boris and everyone else.

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Speaker 4: But it's it's, you know, we've come a long way

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Speaker 4: since then that that era seems like quite a long time.

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Speaker 1: I think we'll all reflect.

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Speaker 4: On it for many years as being a kind of

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Speaker 4: extraordinary time. You don't often get a chance. I'm always

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Speaker 4: moaning about, you know, being on tour, being dragged here,

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Speaker 4: there and everywhere, and not having much time to myself

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Speaker 4: or time, and this was the opposite. You couldn't go anywhere,

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Speaker 4: so then you had to go right, Okay, this is

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Speaker 4: what it feels like.

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Speaker 1: But it was. It was fascinating. So for me and

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Speaker 1: my family, it was a it was it was more

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Speaker 1: positive thing. Really.

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Speaker 5: As an artist.

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Speaker 3: You'd be geed up to play are you'd be ready

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Speaker 3: to go, and you've got all that energy ready to

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Speaker 3: get out on the stage, and then all of a

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Speaker 3: sudden you're just at home with the family and you go, Hey,

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Speaker 3: who wants to hear White Ladder.

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Speaker 5: I'll do the whole album for you guys.

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Speaker 1: I would never make that mistake.

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Speaker 4: To say that they've they've come along to the show

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Speaker 4: is my Girls, and you know, I think they've seen

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Speaker 4: sort of what it was all about, and it's been

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Speaker 4: very moving to see how much they got behind me.

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Speaker 1: They've been to several of the big gigs.

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Speaker 5: Well, if you see a giant Nordic looking guy with

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Speaker 5: a giant hammer sitting up front and said it with

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Speaker 5: tears streaming down his face, you know that Chris Hemsworth

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Speaker 5: has held onto his tickets for your show in November.

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Speaker 1: The new name on me, I mean I don't watch

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Speaker 1: those kind of movies.

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Speaker 2: Well, Chris Hemsworth, you're actually your daughters will know Chris Hemsworth.

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Speaker 5: Run that past.

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Speaker 2: You tell your daughters that Chris Hemsworth dance to your

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Speaker 2: song on Dancing with the Stars.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they will know it, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna run it past.

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Speaker 5: Just run there by. Just google him, just google him.

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Speaker 1: He'll be.

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Speaker 5: Kind of a big.

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Speaker 1: We're going to thaw out thought.

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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, David. It's great to talk to you. David

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Speaker 5: Grave Live on tour in Australia this November. Tickets on

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Speaker 5: sale now via Frontier Touring dot com. David Gray, thank you, sir.

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Speaker 2: See you in November.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely you will, so we're very much looking forward to it.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be It'll be huge, darling

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Speaker 5: Huge, See you then bye,