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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to the podcast, the BTS podcast.

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Speaker 2: And you know when you have it.

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Speaker 3: So what you just heard that say with the podcast

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Speaker 3: is for sure. Yeah, it's just the podcast where we

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Speaker 3: answer your work questions. Please dms at Will and Woody

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Speaker 3: if you've got a question for.

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Speaker 4: Us here And sometimes this isn't part of the structure,

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Speaker 4: but sometimes who have a quick comment to make at

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Speaker 4: the start of the podcast.

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Speaker 2: I've got one of them.

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Speaker 4: You might have heard me saying like I was ganging

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Speaker 4: on something when the mics went on there, I had

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Speaker 4: one drop of water left in my drink bottle. Question

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Speaker 4: for you, Will, Because I'm allowed to put questions in

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Speaker 4: the box?

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Speaker 1: Have you put questions in the box?

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Speaker 2: Couple?

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Speaker 3: Have you?

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Speaker 1: But here's actually I don't believe that.

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Speaker 2: A lot of things I want to know about you.

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Speaker 4: You know, when you've got one drop of water left

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Speaker 4: in your drink bottle drinking, sometimes that's worse than having

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Speaker 4: no water left.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah right, that was such a tease.

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Speaker 3: Ah, why why worse? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I would have rather not knowing I had any water,

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Speaker 4: accepting the fact that I'm going to be thirsty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I put a drop of water in my mouth

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Speaker 2: and it did nothing. It tastes so good.

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Speaker 1: You might have it's just water. It's not like he's

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Speaker 1: having a delicious cocktail.

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Speaker 5: But when you really and you just want more, and

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Speaker 5: then you get one little bit, it tastes so good

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Speaker 5: that one little bit, and you're like, I had more

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Speaker 5: first year.

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Speaker 3: You pick up your water bottle, you shake it, You go, oh,

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Speaker 3: I've got a couple of drops there.

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Speaker 1: I have that.

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Speaker 3: This is confused columber. You pick up your water bottle.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing there. I need something and you got nothing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'd rather be looking at it than for it.

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Speaker 3: I tend to tend to be in My point is.

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Speaker 3: I shook it and I was like, I've got to

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Speaker 3: drop there. That's good, that's good news. Put the drop

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Speaker 3: in my mouth and I was like, that did not

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Speaker 3: quench me out all. Can I add something to this

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Speaker 3: place dilemma? Which is I think that you also have

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Speaker 3: similar to what I'm when I've got the desk here,

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Speaker 3: which is one of these insulated metal water bottles.

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Speaker 2: They're heavy.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's often deceptive as to how much water

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Speaker 1: is put A lot in there.

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Speaker 3: Well no, but at the end it's really hard to

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Speaker 3: tell how much got left in it because of the

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Speaker 3: weight of the bottle I thought I had because it's

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Speaker 3: obviously an air an air rated insulated gap between the

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Speaker 3: outside metal and the inside metal.

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Speaker 1: It's really hard to know how much of a golp

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Speaker 4: I thought it was a golp. It was like a tipple. Ah,

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Speaker 4: less than a tipple. And now I'm real thirsty. But

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Speaker 4: let's get to the question.

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Speaker 5: It's like if you've got one square of chocolate left

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Speaker 5: you're like, oh, I wish I had more.

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Speaker 3: That is a great, perfect, examply perfect example of one

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Speaker 3: square left.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, unbelievable. I'd rather have nothing.

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Speaker 1: Once it hits your lips.

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Speaker 3: Once it hits your lips, will I like little bits

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Speaker 3: of things, you know, after you've eaten it, I like

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Speaker 3: little bits of these perfect I'm like, great, a little

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Speaker 4: I don't know how you do that. You're one of

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Speaker 4: these people that can go and just have one drink.

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Speaker 2: What is that all about it? Yeah, like, how do

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's a problem for me, but I'm

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Speaker 4: just saying, like you come from You're amazing that you

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Speaker 4: got the bottle of do you have your dream? You

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Speaker 4: go delightful satisfied, and I go no.

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Speaker 3: I never I never say you do you satisfying my

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Speaker 3: lips satisfied?

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Speaker 4: Will another certain? No, I am perfectly satisfied.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how. And you you are. You don't

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Speaker 2: even lying.

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Speaker 1: It's nice.

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Speaker 4: You're actually like, yeah, I've got I've had a comfortable

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I do. I do that.

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Speaker 2: I think that's ever happened in my life.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get to the question.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: You said you've written some of these wood. I'm not

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Speaker 3: sure if you wrote this one. I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: your handwriting, so I was a lot of these are

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Speaker 3: transcribed from our socials, I imagine by digital producer kV,

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Speaker 3: given that.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't do much else with their day. All right,

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Speaker 1: here we go. The question is if you weren't in radio, she's.

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Speaker 2: Going to kill you. She's going to kill you.

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Speaker 1: What rag your finger across their throat? Just if you

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Speaker 1: weren't in radio, what job would you do? Question Mark?

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Speaker 4: Do you know I've actually got a comment on that

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Speaker 4: which you might find interesting. Previously, up until very recently

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Speaker 4: brain that's always like, if you get sacked tomorrow, what's

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Speaker 4: the plan? And you've got like really have a good

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Speaker 4: thing about what your plan.

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Speaker 3: Is, which is just savvy media brain, media brains, Like

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Speaker 3: it's like a Hunger Games brain.

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Speaker 2: Because you could get sacked at any moment.

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Speaker 3: You just kind of know that absolutely somebody could come

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Speaker 3: up with you, behind you and just give you those

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Speaker 3: poison blueberries just gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But I've realized that that was actually when I was,

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Speaker 4: I think at my most insecure. I realized that was

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Speaker 4: taking away from my enjoyment of what I really love doing,

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Speaker 4: which is radio with you five days a week, and

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Speaker 4: for the time that that exists, which currently is ongoing. Now, boy,

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Speaker 4: I got it tonight and I'm pretty sure we're on

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Speaker 2: Enjoyment out of that. I actually can't be thinking about.

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Speaker 1: How if it all falls apart, what might happen?

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Speaker 2: Well, what might happen?

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Speaker 4: And also like have a think about what you would

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Speaker 4: what your life looks like if you get sacked tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: That was really taking away from like, oh God, I

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Speaker 4: I brought that up is because, to answer that question,

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Speaker 4: Oh that's great, Yeah, trying not to.

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Speaker 1: Man, you've been.

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Speaker 3: Lulled into a false sense of security.

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Speaker 1: You're in the Hunger Games arena, my friend, they're coming

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Speaker 3: Backup. Very funny if I weren't. I agree. I think

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Speaker 3: that's a really different question from when we probably started

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Speaker 3: doing radio ten years ago to now.

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Speaker 1: I think that I mean, this is going to get

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Speaker 3: But like cards on the table, if we got sacked

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Speaker 3: now for no reason which could happen, which could happen,

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Speaker 3: for the for the rest of our contracts three year deal.

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Speaker 3: So we're walking away and going I've got time up

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Speaker 3: anyone that gets a golden handshake doesn't matter. What if

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Speaker 3: you've got a contract for a fixed term. If they

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Speaker 1: It, you've got money. Ye.

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Speaker 3: So I probably wouldn't think about doing anything for a

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Speaker 1: I could be a dad like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and how rare to have the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: Time to time time because I remember actually spoke to

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Speaker 3: Jules Lund after he was sacked from Sydney Breakfast. They

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Speaker 3: signed him for four years billion dollars a year of

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Speaker 3: four years classic Sydney Breakfast.

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Speaker 1: They sacked him. He was literally on Sidy.

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Speaker 3: The Breakfast radio money for three years, and he was

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be a dad for a while. Like,

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Speaker 1: how good is that?

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Speaker 2: We should get sacked?

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Speaker 1: We should try? The problem is he is the catch.

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Speaker 1: If you try and they point out that you've tried.

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Speaker 3: Then then I have to pay because you've repudiated delete

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Speaker 3: this audio, have to delete this. Yeah, no, we're not trying,

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Speaker 3: so it doesn't matter. But I think you actually brought

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm going I'm definitely sort of stealing from

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Speaker 1: Ben Crow style thought here. But who's the who's the guru?

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Speaker 3: Generally guru you might hear him on the Imperfect podcast

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Speaker 3: can be quite that's totally unsustainable, and you will burn

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Speaker 1: And your purpose should be.

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Speaker 3: Really the thing that you enjoy within getting through those

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Speaker 3: ten lessons. So if you got into being teaching because

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Speaker 3: when I say, backing boxes because you're you have the

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Speaker 3: you've packed boxes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that wasn't my Maybe you enjoy the process.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, whatever, whatever the thing is that you're doing,

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Speaker 3: if you have some level of job satisfaction around that thing,

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Speaker 3: that will probably be because there's a part of it

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Speaker 3: which you really connect with. And I feel like that

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Speaker 3: can manifest in many different ways. So right now, when

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Speaker 3: I love I love being creative, I love I love that,

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Speaker 3: and I feel radio is amazing for that He's coming

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Speaker 3: here and get to a new show.

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Speaker 1: Everything good.

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Speaker 3: But if I wasn't doing radio, I would probably have

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Speaker 3: to go, which might be a really interesting process. There

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Speaker 3: are ways to the drawing board and go fundamentally, what

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Speaker 3: how can I still tick that box? Which I think

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Speaker 3: is a really interesting conversation in general, because I think

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Speaker 3: you and I were loving doing things creatively together before all.

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Speaker 1: Of this started.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And it could.

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Speaker 1: Have gone in any number of ways.

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Speaker 3: You know, we might have started up an advertising firm.

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Speaker 4: This you might have be able to answer this, which

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Speaker 4: is Simon Sinek. He's an American, very similar thing, but

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