WEBVTT - 'HANNAH CONDA' TALKS THIS WEEK'S FINALE OF 'RUPAUL'S DOWN UNDER!' 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:05.240 TV Reload the podcast last week. They're by Welcome back 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.159 to TV Reload. My name's Benjamin Norris, and on this 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.039 podcast I go behind the scenes with the biggest players 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.200 in television. Each episode you will get a front row 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:19.159 seat with content makers like executive producers, writers, editors and 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.320 casting agents, plus the talent we see on our screens. 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.080 TV Reload reloads the shows that you are currently watching 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.560 and gives you a better insight into our television industry 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.239 and our streaming services. This week on the podcast, I 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.240 have had the top three queens from RuPaul's Drag Race 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.960 down Under season two, and on today's episode, I will 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:43.360 hopefully give the fans a better insight into Hannah Conder's 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.559 resume and help you answer that question, is Hannah the 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:51.360 winner of the second series of down Under? This Saturday 0:00:51.440 --> 0:00:54.480 is already the finale, and while the series has been 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.480 a wild ride, I think the finale is going to 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:01.080 be an excellent celebration of three very very popular queens 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.760 who truly deserve to be there. Hannah Conda, for a 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.920 very long time was a standout from the Perth drag circuit. However, 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:13.040 She quickly outgrew the Golden State and in twenty fifteen 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:17.399 moved to Sydney, where she cemented her superstar status by 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.840 being the only queen to have ever won both the 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.120 Rising Star and Entertainer of the Year at the Drag 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:28.480 Industry Variety Awards in the same year. Hannah has been 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:32.920 consistent throughout the competition and fantastic to watch. There's just 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:36.760 something very polished and on purpose with everything that she 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:40.160 has done this season. We will talk about why she 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:44.399 nearly didn't apply for the series, her connection with Molly Poppins, 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.680 why she couldn't be bothered with the drama this season, 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.600 and of course, what she will do with her win 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:54.600 if she snatches that crown. Plus for the last time, 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.320 we will play my shady old lady game with a 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:02.040 few surprising answers. Let's get started with today's guest. I'd 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.360 like to welcome Hannah Konda from RuPaul's Drag Race down 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.520 Under season two to TV Reload. 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:12.359 If the universe says it's meant to be, it will happen. Canaconda, 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.720 you came in, you knew exactly what you wanted to do. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:17.280 If I was to take out the crown I just 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.919 want to, you know, make sure that I do people. 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:25.080 Proud Canaconda, Chante Eustaf. I do say that drag has 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:26.160 saved my life many. 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:29.600 Time walking down the runway. We are serving Queen of 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.360 dreams and Queen of nightmares. 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:32.280 Realness. 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:34.600 I'm really glad to come to the other side and 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:38.240 I've got the best support. Which queen will be crowned 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:43.800 down under next Drag Superstar. Or just before I auditioned 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:47.240 for Drag Race, I was in a really really bad space. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.480 Hi there, Hanaconda, how the hell are you? 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.760 Ah, Darlana, I am going so good. Thank you. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.560 I've lost my voice. I was in the Brokenheill Festival 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:00.400 this weekend, so I'm recuperating from that and it was 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.240 a wild time wild. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.680 You're I think you're in a friend of mine snapchats. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.359 Oh no, not snapchats. What is it? Oh my god? 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:11.160 I sound so old. Joe Crazy was there and he 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.680 had a video of you. Yes, there we go. 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.320 There, there's the Instagram Instagram stories. That's what you're looking 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:18.040 for their dalent. 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.440 I sound so old. Anyway, congragulations are making it to 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.760 the top three. You must be so proud. 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:30.000 Oh Dan, I'm so overwhelmed and excited and it is. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.320 I am very very proud of myself and proud of 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.880 the girls, and yeah, we did it. 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:36.080 We made it to the end. 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:38.920 Throughout the series, I have to ask everyone if they 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:40.960 were happy with the way they came across, you know, 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:44.120 but I was watching on the Instagram lives, you know, 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.600 people are referring to it as their edit. Are you 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:47.440 happy with your edit? 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.000 Yeah? Overwhelmingly, You're like really happy with how I've been 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.080 edited and the things that were there. I think my 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.680 one thing that I wish I got a little bit 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.880 more of was just a little bit more story about 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.440 like me. I feel like, you know, they've showcased me 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:06.120 like being like funny and and like, you know, doing 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.080 good at the challenges and drag and stuff like that, 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.720 and I just I wish we just dove a little 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:12.840 bit deeper into who I was, because I shared a 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.400 lot with them, and I just didn't feel like, I 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:17.479 don't know, maybe my cat maybe that's what they just 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.440 needed for me. I don't know how it all comes together, 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:21.960 but that was the one thing I wish I got 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.200 a little bit more story about who I am as 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.119 a person outside of the drag. 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.080 But That's the thing that's interesting is that you and 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.280 Molly Poppins. I was really interested about your backstory more 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.159 so than anyone else's. I mean, I did already know 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:39.200 more Aboutquing Kong before I watched the series, but for 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.159 you and Molly, I just was like, I want to know, 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:43.919 I want to know how did you find drag? 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:45.960 Yeah, because it's those things that like, I just don't 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:48.920 feel we got to explore as much in the show. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.039 And like I sort of came to drag, you know, 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.800 about thirteen years ago, back in Perth. I started and 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:58.599 it was one of those things where I was in 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.000 a friendship group with a at drag queen who had 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.320 just started and names Ruby Jules, and I was, you know, 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.800 going to the shows with her and supporting her, and 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:08.200 she's like, you need to give it a go, and 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:10.440 I was like, okay, one night, I'll do it one 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:12.960 night only that's it. So she put me into drag 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.440 and I went to the Court Hotel on an amateur 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:16.880 drag night on a Wednesday night. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.640 I did my first show and I did wear my 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:20.839 kiss by the sugar. 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:23.880 Bags and I was using it to tell a boy 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.400 that I liked him, and like I went up and 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:27.880 I kissed him on the cheek and I thought it 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:32.080 was really great. And anyway, that relationship never went anywhere, 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:36.680 but the drag took on, and. 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:37.800 Yeah, the drag. 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:39.840 Relationship all worked out well, and I was like, oh 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:41.960 my god, I love this more than anyone else. So yeah, 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:43.680 I kind of just fell in love with it and 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.440 I just love being able to perform. And it became 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.080 a therapy for me, to be honest, you know, I've 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:53.359 had a journey with the yielding mental health and for me, 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.840 I just you know, I've always had, you know, to 0:05:56.360 --> 0:06:00.839 live alongside depression and anxiety, so more so pression. Anxiety 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.160 has been a new thing, but depression was one of 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:04.840 those ones. I was like, I just found it was 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.120 a way to channel all of those emotions and those 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:09.839 feelings that I was having into a space where I 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.279 could share that story through music and through performing and 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:17.200 kind of find, you know, relationships with people like I 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.039 feel that like that's how I've been feeling, and it 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:21.720 kind of allowed the feeling to just alleviate my body 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.279 and it was just like it was just helping me 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:28.160 express what I needed to like to have put out 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:28.760 in the world. 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:31.000 When I couldn't find the words for it. 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.839 So that's why I do say that Dragon has saved 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:38.280 my life many times, if I'm honest. Was Yeah, it's 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.960 always been that sort of safe space where I find 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.400 that I can alleviate those emotions. 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.120 I think it's share your story. When we see the 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.800 people that we idolize on television being real, it helps 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.840 us feel seen. It helps us so much. And if 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.960 you're willing to talk to people about your struggles of 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.440 depression and anxiety, I guarantee you that currency with the 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.159 audience is going to be there for you because it 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:04.000 takes a lot of courage to be able to do. 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:08.960 It, absolutely, And that's the thing that like, I talked 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:10.920 about it quite a bit, and there was actually a 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.840 chat when my self Clean and Spank You were talking 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:18.400 about our ads, And just before I auditioned for Drag Race, 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.480 I was in a really, really bad space, and I think, 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:24.960 like a lot of people, like the lockdowns and being 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.560 isolated from people really just took did a number on 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:29.720 me in the last few years. I just and it 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.720 was one of those that usually my depression comes in 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.280 waves and I can kind of write it and I'm like, Okay, 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.200 she's here for a little bit and she'll be constant. 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.440 But this one wasn't budging. This one just did not move. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.760 And I wasn't going to audition for the season. To 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.520 be honest, I had lost love of drag. Even drag 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:47.960 wasn't pulling me out of it. And that's when I 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:51.400 knew I was in like a rotten place. And my partner, 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.720 he said, you know what, you need to just get 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:54.440 yourself together. 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.600 We are literally in a lockdown. You'd have nothing else 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:58.800 to do. Film it. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.080 If you like it, send it. If you don't like it, 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.920 don't send it. Just do it because you need to 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.560 like do something about your mind right now. And it 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.480 was great and I did it because it got me 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.600 inspired again. I was having fun and I sent off 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:14.720 the audition tape because I was proud of it by 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:16.600 the end of it, and I was like, ah, I 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.440 got that zest of love back. And I was like, 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.280 you know, if it's if I can really sort of 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.720 hone in on these, like you know, this newfound love 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:26.920 of drag, I could get on the show and do 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.800 something with it. And I said, if the universe says 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:31.480 it's meant to be, it'll happen. 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.760 And with the universe, she said, yes, let's go. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.120 People who are suffering from depression, the commonality is that 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.120 we always feel like this is how it will be forever. 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.600 We can't see out of it. And when we held 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.880 story like yourself, it's the proof and the pudding that 0:08:46.960 --> 0:08:50.000 we have to keep going because things can change. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.280 Like the tunnel that you get suck in just seems 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.320 like it's completely out of darkness. 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:59.160 And I found the light through doing drag Race. 0:08:59.400 --> 0:09:03.080 And then when I got home after filming, I think, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.320 you just you burn yourself out to because you just 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.600 give everything. You give everything to the to the to 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.719 the journey, and I, you know, and I dipped back 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.200 in again to a bit of a depression and I 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:18.480 wasn't a great again and I just I just couldn't 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.520 sort of again got stuck, and I was like, what 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.959 if I I've just done something so magical and wonderful, 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.760 yet I'm here again and I couldn't figure it out, 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:30.520 and I was wondering what's going on and my anxiety 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.160 was through the roof. But I was like, you know what, 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.160 and again it just got me, gave me the courage 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:37.520 myself to pick myself up and go, you know, what 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:39.160 we're going to get through this. So you know, I 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.440 got my mental health plan back on board, you know, 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:43.960 started going back to therapy. You know, I got on 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.720 the right medication and again, I just I pulled myself 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.040 back out and I'm even in a better and stronger 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.040 place now than when I was, even just after the show. 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:56.280 If it's been a rollercoaster, but I'm really really proud 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:58.760 of myself to where I am, and I feel like 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.520 through this, like through watching it all back, it's been 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.440 quite cathartic and I've been able to, you know, to 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.400 actually be proud of myself and you know, go, yes, 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:11.439 I did that. And I really thought that, like watching 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:13.120 it back was going to be really hard and maybe 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.600 trigger something again, but it's done the opposite. It's actually 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.079 just alleviated me, and it's pushed me to a place 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.400 where I've kind of been able to not worry about 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:24.640 what the world thinks about me, not worry about the 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.560 opinions of others, and it's just all the things I 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.959 worry about making sure that I'm happy. My family was happy, 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.960 my heart was happy, and I'm putting out good things 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.040 into the world and that's all I can do. So 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.000 It's been a wild journey and a wild ride, but 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:43.800 I'm so incredibly happy where I'm at now. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.000 And I look back at that moment when. 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:48.160 I got back and I started to slip back into 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:50.280 that sort of depression and anxiety, and I was like, 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:52.640 oh my god, Like I was on the in a 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.400 really again, a really bad place, and I look back 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.440 and I was like, oh my god, You've just got 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.600 to like fight through that forest. You know, that forested 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.680 is dark, scary and awful, but the second you push 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:05.480 through it, you start realizing. 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:06.000 It's not that bad. 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:08.480 It's not that bad, but you have to kind of 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:09.440 lift yourself up. 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.280 And I'm very lucky with my partner. I'm very honest 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:12.560 with him. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.840 When I start feeling that, I'm like, babe, she's having 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:18.880 a moment, like, you know, let me talk, like and 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:19.920 I like to talk about it. 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.480 So I once I start talking about it, I'm like, oh, 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:22.840 so yeah. 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:24.680 I find like you always got to have that one 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:27.640 person in your life that you can just say I'm 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:30.760 not okay, because naturally I'm very happy and bubbly, and 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.400 everybody sort of expects that all the time from me, 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:37.360 and the reality is it's not the case. Behind the scenes, 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.920 and I'm very very good at putting it on when 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.800 I need to. And that's the scary part. Like I 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:45.040 think the second I stop doing that and like, oh, 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:46.400 you know what, I'm having a bad day. 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:47.880 I'm having a tough time at the moment. 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:49.680 You know, I found a lot of comfort with a 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.360 lot of other people and then very understanding, And I 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.000 think you're just going to have trust in the people 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:56.560 you love that they will be understanding and they're not 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:57.600 going to run away from you. 0:11:58.000 --> 0:11:59.480 Coming off the back of a show like this is 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:02.120 what people don't realize. When you tell yourself not to 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:05.520 feel a certain way, that's a breeding ground for more 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.120 turbulence in your own mind because you've come off through 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:10.920 poles and you're saying to yourself, oh my god, I've 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.559 just done the most amazing thing. I should be happy, 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:15.800 you know what I mean? Telling yourself not to feel 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.040 a certain way is a breeding ground for more depression. 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.520 I think two things can be true at once, and 0:12:21.800 --> 0:12:24.439 you can be incredibly grateful, Like I was very very 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.640 grateful for the opportunity, and I loved it at the 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.120 best time, and I was on an absolute high while 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.840 I was there, and I was loving it, but you know, 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.320 I also still had that feeling, and I had to 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:38.040 allow myself to be okay with those two things. You know, 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.679 it wasn't me being ungrateful, or it wasn't me being 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.960 unhappy with how everything went. I was very very happy 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.880 about that. But it's just you know, and for those 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.600 of people that do have this as a part of 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:53.160 their experience, they will understand that you can be so 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.719 proud and so excited about one thing, but then that 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.200 darkness can just wash over everything and it's really hard 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.760 to budge sometimes. Tis But I'm really glad I've come 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:03.720 to the other side and I've got the best support. 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.679 Honestly, I couldn't ask for better support, to be fair. 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.320 I'm so happy to hear that. You know, what do 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:11.440 you think this will mean to you? Though? You know, 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:15.120 to win RuPaul's Drag Race if you take this competition out, well. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:17.240 I already feel like I've won. 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.000 If I'm honest, I've got Queen and Spanky as best 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.320 friends for life, and that means more than any other prize, 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:25.600 Like that was one of those things like and even 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:27.880 and you know what, even the whole cast like they 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.600 were friends for life. They're just brilliant, So I already 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.520 feel like a winner, but if I was to take 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:35.000 out the crown, I just want to keep, you know, 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:38.480 make sure that I do people proud, lead with the 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:39.760 love and kindness. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.280 I think we need more of that, and I want. 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.319 To start to sort of be a bit of a 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.800 champion to unite our community a little bit more. I 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.319 feel over the last few years we've become quite divided, 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.040 and you know, while we have a lot of acceptance 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:55.520 and there's a lot of growth in our community outside 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:58.080 of our own bubbles, there's still a lot of work 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.320 to be done. There are still people around the world 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.080 that are being persecuted for who they love or what 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.080 gender they are, and I feel we can't help them 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:10.760 if we can't be united together and stand together. And 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.000 that was the one thing that when I first started 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.520 going out, you know, didn't matter what political views you had, 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:18.840 didn't matter what gender you were, didn't matter where you 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.600 came from, all these things, nothing really mattered apart from 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.160 the fact that we were together in these clubs and bars, 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:25.720 and that was community. 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.280 You know, you might not like someone, but if. 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.600 They got hurt or they got you know, like attacked 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.920 or whatever, we're all there, we rally behind them, and 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:34.760 I don't see that as much anymore. 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.560 I see that we are very divided, and I want to. 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:40.440 Be able to sort of be that, you know, I said, 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:42.760 I want to be the Tazan Grip to start helping 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.960 to glue those holes back together and bring us back together, 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:50.040 because we can do a lot more positive work and 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.560 create a lot more positive change together. 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.840 Thinking about, you know, relationships with Queen Kong and you 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.120 know Molly Poppins, you know, I wanted to ask you 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.560 about your relationship with Molly Hoppens because what I thought 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.400 was interesting was the two of you kind of put 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:06.040 yourselves together as like the Hobbits in a way, and 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.760 there were some similarities. But I wonder whether or not 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:10.520 it was a strength or a weakness for the two 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:14.040 of you, because as we did as an audience compare 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:17.000 the both of you, you kind of got stronger and 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:18.760 Molly got a little bit into her head a little 0:15:18.800 --> 0:15:21.680 bit more so it was more noticeable the slip. I 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.320 wondered how you saw that, Yeah, that's very interesting. 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:26.680 When I was because we did the challenge together and 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:28.760 that was where the Hobbits sort of sisters were born. 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:32.800 And but then you know, as the competition kept going, 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.160 I like, Molly and I are the best of friends 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:38.280 and I love it a bit. But I feel like 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.840 once that kind of was done, I never really like 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.920 kind of tied myself to it. And I don't want 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.120 to say I'm disrespectful to Molly or anything, but I 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:48.360 was like, we're all here doing our own thing, and 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.760 I just kept on going with it, and you know, 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:52.320 when I could throw in the Hobbit thing and would 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:54.120 be together and whatever, and if I could use it 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.440 to help Molly or you know, whenever, I would do that. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:59.120 But for me, it was kind of like, oh, I'm 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.160 going to still continue to show case in myself. And I 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:05.160 don't think Molly necessarily tied herself into that. I just 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.440 feel like, because we set that up so early, I 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:10.880 think it just kind of was sort of thrown in 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:13.840 there in their editing and with and with the way 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.240 that the show's unfolded that you know, there was that 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.400 sort of comparison always. It didn't feel like that while 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.800 was there, though. That was the interesting thing. When I 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:26.080 was there, we still felt very much individual into who 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.920 we were, and you know, well, you know, our friendship 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.800 was allowed to thrive. But it never felt like something 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:33.880 that was like whoa, well, they're the Hobbits and they're 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:34.720 versing each other. 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:38.240 You know. It was it was very casual, like do 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:38.920 you know what I mean? 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.800 I felt like, maybe this is a terrible thing to 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.360 admit to, but I sort of put the two of 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.320 you together as if you were and I'm not speaking 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:50.400 saying this is how everyone felt. It was for me, 0:16:51.040 --> 0:16:53.000 I kind of put you two together, and then that 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:59.280 naturally makes you sort of compare people's. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.920 That's the goal. That's the goal of television, really, is it. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.440 Yeah, So then I was kind of unfairly, I guess, 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:05.639 comparing the two of you and holding you both to 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.240 the same standard, only just because your standard rose that 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.360 I then sort of was like, oh, this seems more 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:14.320 noticeable that Molly's not doing as well anymore, I think, 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.879 especially after the tourism type challenge that you did. You know, 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:22.080 yours was just so polished and amazing, was so well done. 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:24.359 It was that was for me, is like I was 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.040 very proud of that. To be honest, I thought I 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.159 was gone, but I. 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.120 Made sure because they said because they mentioned about using 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.520 the editors and the people that put their commercials together 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:37.480 to give them all the notes. So I gave them 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.639 everything I was. It was such a detailed rundown of 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:42.960 what I wanted and I kind of didn't give them 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:44.600 an option but to do it. 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:47.000 The black swan. 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:51.920 Do that? Just do that? Now we do that. 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.399 But yeah, the black swan I thought was just going 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:57.640 to be a stock image of a swan. But when 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.720 they like that was the one thing that I was like, 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.359 thank you so much, and it is they made this 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.080 swan move, and I was like, I didn't know the possibilities. 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:06.960 I thought it was going to be a stock image, 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.440 and I would have still I still thought it would 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.480 have been funny for me to try and be hitting 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.040 a stock image of a giant like swan behind me. 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.080 I think that would have still been hysterical. 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.320 But I think what I noticed is that, like, you 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.880 know the difference between mine and like Spanky's, for instance, 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.760 like everybody loves Spanky's because it was you know, it's 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.399