1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken. The podcast is not afraid to say 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 2: Our names are. 4 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: Amy Kate and Sophie Torborth. We're identical triplets, but we 5 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: facing women. 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 3: That is so fatch. 9 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, Welcome back to another episode of Outspoken. Now, 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: everyone's had pretty busy weekends. 11 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: Can you feel us in so for what you've been 12 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: up to. 13 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: Well, I've come to the realization I'm turning into Mum 14 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: and dad because we spent the whole weekend looking for houses, 15 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: going to inspections, going on real estate dot Com. Reminded 16 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: me of back in the day because we used to 17 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: just go to house inspections with Mum and we weren't 18 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: even looking for a new home or on holidays, we 19 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: just drive around looking at other people's beach houses. Well, 20 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: Mum got accused of being nosy because she went to 21 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: the next door neighbors open inspection just last year and 22 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: the real estate people completely owned her and called her 23 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: missus nosey. Well, she admitted that she was the next 24 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: door neigh but that's where she went wrong. Yeah, but 25 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: she's allowed to have a nosy look. I love our 26 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: Mum and Dad's response was that they were going to 27 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: turn music loud music on now because the guy was 28 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: so rude to them. 29 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: Well, what about Ukate, What did you get up to 30 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 2: this week? 31 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the week and the weekend really merged together 32 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: so one I think it was during the week we 33 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: actually went and made tie die and we were going 34 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: to share with our listeners how to do it, but 35 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: in fact it was such a big fail that we 36 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:25,919 Speaker 1: are going to have to try and do it again 37 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: next week. 38 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: You can speak for yourself. Mine's the work of art. 39 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we basically thought it'd be fun to have 40 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: a little competition and do some tie die because every 41 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: man and his dog seems to be doing tie die 42 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: at the moment, and we sort of didn't really follow. 43 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: The instructions too well. I actually love mine. 44 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: Mine turned out quite cool, but it was definitely not 45 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: the way it should have turned out. Well. Unfortunately, mine 46 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: was the massive fail of the lot because I decided 47 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: to put it in the washing machine without actually rinsing 48 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: it off, and it turned from looking really cool to 49 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: looking just like a maroon T shirt. 50 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: It was pretty bad. 51 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: Well, Amy, I know part of the weekend for you 52 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: and I were spent shopping for a baby shower gift, 53 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: which I found really funny. 54 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: The process. 55 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I've never been to a baby shower before 56 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: and it was my first baby shower on Saturday night 57 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: and it was actually such a fun night. Not your own, no, 58 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: somebody else says, definitely not my own. But yeah, it 59 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: was so odd because I had to go on Google 60 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: and google what you actually get someone from a baby 61 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: for a baby shower because I wasn't sure if it 62 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: was a present for the mum or the kid. I 63 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: actually loved it because we were looking at cards at 64 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: Big w and Amy like was like, do we really 65 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: have to get a baby shower card because they were 66 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: like seven or eight dollars where there were like two 67 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: dollar ones that had little more ambiguous statements like have 68 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: a great day. I'm like, no, you have to get 69 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: the baby show China. I wasn't trying to be a stinged, 70 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: but I'm saving for a house and I wanted to 71 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: put more money into the actual gift than the card itself. 72 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was so funny though, because I didn't. 73 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: I kind of forgot that at a baby shower, they 74 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: sit everyone down and then the mother to be opens 75 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: the gifts in front of everyone. 76 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: That seemed like all those American movies. 77 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was so awkward because I wasn't even 78 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: sure if what I bought was the correct thing. And 79 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: so anyway, she was opening the gifts and everything was 80 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: baby clothes, like all the gifts of baby clothes, and 81 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: I was like, oh shit, because I went with the 82 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: toy and so then anyway, they it ended up being 83 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: a good present because it was something a little bit different. 84 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: I just loved how it was the blind leading the 85 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: blind because we were we were actually went to the 86 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 1: kid's toy section and we're like, you guess all seem 87 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: too old, and then we discovered there was actually a 88 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: baby section. 89 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: We learned a lot about babies. 90 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: I'd like to toast to Stacy Michael for having the 91 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: Fakers relationship and Australian reality TV history. Now let's get 92 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: into the first topic. On Thursday, YouTuber Sarah's Day and 93 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: now she was pulling her active wear campaign with White 94 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: Fox Boutique after being accused of cultural appropriation. So for 95 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: those who don't know Sarah's Day's real name is Sarah 96 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: Stevenson and she's a health and wellness YouTuber with over 97 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: one point four million subscribers, and Sarah's also huge on Instagram. 98 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: She's got one point one million followers, and she's gone 99 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: for being a YouTuber to a businesswoman. So she's got 100 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: deals with White Fox Boutique where she's released different active 101 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: wear sunnglovesses. She's got all of her food items like nuts, 102 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: protein balls, prorobotic drinks, deodorants, so she really does it all. Yeah. 103 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: So Sarah was set to launch her third active wear 104 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: campaign with White Fox Boutique, which was called Reboot, and 105 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 1: she explained on her Instagram story when she actually first 106 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: shot the campaign wearing the controversial hairstyle, that everything was 107 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 1: themed elevated. So she explained in her first active wear 108 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: campaign with the brand that she wore her hair braided, 109 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: and then she said that now she decided to wear 110 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: the color in her hair because it was like an 111 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: elevated theme from her original campaign. Well, it was safe 112 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: to say she was pretty unrecognizable in the shoot because, 113 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: as you say, her normal hair had been woven in 114 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: with thick fluo braids. But she did mention that the 115 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: inspiration behind the braids was actually Coachella and a lot 116 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,119 Speaker 1: of people wearing that similar hairstyle as well. 117 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 118 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: So, basically, when this campaign first came out and was 119 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: shared on her Instagram story in early May, I actually 120 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: was so shocked that she didn't realize that this was 121 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: cultural appropriation at time, and I wrote an article on 122 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: our website Outspoken, saying, Wow, I think this campaign's actually 123 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: going to be canceled. What did you guys think about 124 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: it originally? 125 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 2: Look? 126 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: To be honest, if this was two years ago, I 127 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have seen anything that offensive by it. I 128 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: would have been really confused, And there are a lot 129 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: of people who were in that boat saying, well, what's 130 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: wrong with wearing braids? But because so many different stories 131 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: have come out in recent times of different celebrities who've 132 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: been accused of cultural appropriation, I did when I did 133 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: see those photos and video, I was like, wow, this 134 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: is of her initial shoot with White Fox. Yeah. My 135 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: initial reaction was I can't believe this has been allowed, 136 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: and I can't believe the issue of cultural appropriation hasn't 137 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: come up in some form of discussion with the White 138 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: Fox team in the initial process because it was it 139 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: wasn't just the hair, it was the whole theme of 140 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: the shoe. It looked very ghetto, and it just was, 141 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, it just it was just red flags were. 142 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: Going when I saw that vision. 143 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: So three weeks after her Instagram stories appeared with her 144 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: wearing the controversial hairstyle, a sneak peek of the campaign 145 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: was launched on Sarah and a fiance, Kurt's Instagram pages. 146 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: So Kurt actually filmed and produced this campaign alongside Sarah, 147 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: and what ensued was a huge amount of backlash from 148 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: people of color and also white people, saying that this 149 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: was cultural appropriation. Now, Sarah has gone and actually made 150 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: the decision to pull the campaign because of these comments, 151 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: and she released a very lengthy apology. I think it's 152 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: also worthwhile adding that there was a lot of anger 153 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: because a lot of people were saying that their comments 154 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: that were criticizing the campaign were actually deleted. So Sarah 155 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: basically said that it was her idea to wear the 156 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: braids because she'd always warn them and she wanted to 157 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: incorporate a Coachella and festival vibe into the campaign now, 158 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: which should probably have a listen to her apology. 159 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: If you are offended, what you want to hear from 160 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: me is a genuine apology, and this is it. I'm 161 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 3: so sorry I screwed up. 162 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: I have. 163 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 3: I was misinformed and educated, and I'm doing my best 164 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: now to educate myself and to use my platform because 165 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 3: I don't know what it feels like to be offended 166 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: in that way, you know what I mean, Like, I 167 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: can't say what I did was right, you know, because 168 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: if you're offended, there's a reason for it, and you're 169 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: totally allowed to feel offended. 170 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: Now, just listening to that, what are everyone's opinions on 171 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: her apology? 172 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: Now? 173 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: My initial opinion of the apology was that it felt 174 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: quite heartfelt, and it was quite clear that she was 175 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: not educated on the matter of cultural appropriation and was 176 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: quite surprised by the backlash. 177 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: She was crying throughout. 178 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: The apology, and yeah, I agree, it did seem very genuine, 179 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: but it's actually her behavior following the apology that's angered 180 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people. Yeah. Well, I just want to 181 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: say that it's important to note that the apology wasn't 182 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: directed at us, and it's a people of color to 183 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: take on that apology the way they want to, But 184 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: you know, from a pr perspective, I do think she 185 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: did the right thing. I think the apology ticked all 186 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: the boxes in terms of saying she wasn't educated being 187 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: genuine with her apology. But as you said, I think 188 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: what people now have a problem with is the way 189 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: she acted after the apology, and a lot of the 190 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: validity of that apology seems to have vanished because of 191 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: the way she acted. Now we should probably go into 192 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: what actually happened following the apology, and Sarah did jump 193 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: on her insta story to document I suppose the reshooting 194 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: of this campaign, but there was a lot of backlash 195 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: around it because she did seem to make it all 196 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: about herself and there was a sense that she was 197 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: trying to make people feel sorry for her that she 198 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: had to reshoot it, and it seems that she wasn't 199 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: actually sorry for what she did. Yeah, I found her 200 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: behavior on there quite passive aggressive, And this is coming 201 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: from a person that has watched Sarah for years now 202 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: and have really liked her YouTube channel. I found it 203 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: hard to watch. I think she seems quite childish in 204 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: her approach, and I mean, I understand it would have 205 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: been very tiring and very stressful to redo the campaign. 206 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: But I just think it was so bad for her 207 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: her brand. Yeah, put you to be acting like that. 208 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: I just thought, please, Sarah, just stop as you said. 209 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I've always loved Sarah's Day's content. I know 210 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: she can be she has done some controversial things before, 211 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: but I thought, where are her PR teams saying, look, Sarah, 212 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: I know you're upset, but stop doing the Insta story. 213 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: So as well as sort of playing a bit of 214 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: the victim on her Instagram story, she has also been 215 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: accused of as Amy touched on deleting any negative comments 216 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: that were directed at her and just blocking people out 217 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: right now, I saw some of the comments in some 218 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: Facebook groups that people had left, and they were pretty fair. 219 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: They weren't attacking her. They were just trying to explain 220 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: to her what cultural appropriation is. People were also a 221 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: little bit upset because the post that had offended so 222 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: many people was left up by both Kurt and Sarah. Yeah, 223 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: so this was the sneak peak of the campaign which 224 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: Sarah decided to pull. But yet Kurt and Sarah didn't 225 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: actually delete it from their Instagram account. 226 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 2: But I found really. 227 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: Confounded that being said I think the reason they may 228 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: have left the controversial post up is to add contexts 229 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: to the situation. Why did the Beta provide context There 230 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,079 Speaker 1: were news articles with her in the hairstyle, and. 231 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: Also they've now deleted it. 232 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: I think they either deleted it this morning or yesterday 233 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: obviously because of the backlash, But it really should have 234 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: been deleted immediately, if you know, considering everyone said they 235 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: found it so offensive. Yeah, and another issue was the 236 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: fact that someone posted a screenshot of Sarah actually being 237 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: warned that the hairstyle was cultural appropriation when she first 238 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: started showing it on her Instagram stories back in early May. 239 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: So it's sort of it made her apology seem a 240 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: bit fake by her saying, oh, I had no idea 241 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: and I didn't want to offend anyone, But the fact 242 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: that someone in her own Facebook community had warned her 243 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: of the issue and then she decided to delete that 244 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: post in any commentary regarding it, and to make the 245 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: matter worse for Sarah, it's not the first time she's 246 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: been accused of cultural appropriation. So a sunglasses collaboration she 247 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: had also with White Fox Boutique, there were a pair 248 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: of sunglasses called Gypsy in the collection. So it seems 249 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: that there's been a thread of problematic behavior from Sarah, 250 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 1: but not much education being done. Now, there were a 251 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: lot of people who were actually confused by what cultural 252 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: appropriation actually means. So I think it's important we actually 253 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: address this. Yeah, so we really wanted to get a 254 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: person of colour or an academic and cultural studies to 255 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: talk about this, because they are of course the best 256 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: people to explain what cultural appropriation is and also to 257 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: talk about why Sarah's hairstyle was considered offensive. Unfortunately, we've 258 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: reached out to ten different people and because of time constraints, 259 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: they are unavailable to join us. But they have, however 260 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: pointed us into the direction of some great readings to 261 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: educate us further on the topic. So, Amy, you're actually 262 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: going to go through a definition of what cultural appropriation is. 263 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: So this is quite a simple and easy to follow 264 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,599 Speaker 1: definition of what cultural appropriation is. In short, cultural appropriation 265 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 1: is when somebody adopts aspects of cultures that's not their own. 266 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: A deeper understanding of cultural appropriation also refers to a 267 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: particular power dynamic in which members of a dominant culture 268 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: take elements from a culture of people who have been 269 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: systematically oppressed by that dominant group. Yes, I think what 270 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: people have found confusing is the fact they're like, oh, 271 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: so am I not allowed to wear braids? And I 272 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: think it's important to note that, yes, people can wear braids, 273 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: but I think it comes to the point when you're 274 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: actually getting money out of it and using it as 275 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: a fashion trend. You know, we've seen Sarah said the 276 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: whole campaign is about everything being over exaggerated, and I 277 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: think she's almost worn the braids as a bit of 278 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: a costume, and it's like, Oh, I'm going to be 279 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: really ghetto and tough, and I'm going to wear this 280 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: hairstyle that I would never normally wear. And then I'm 281 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: going to go back to my normal life and I'm 282 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: going to be a white, blonde girl and not have 283 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: to face any persecution. But I'm dressing up with this 284 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: hairstyle that other people have been persecuted for. I read 285 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: a really interesting piece and it was called seven reasons 286 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: why White people should not wear black hairstyles, and it 287 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: spoke about that as women, we all face a really 288 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: unrealistic perception of what beauty is. But that becomes even 289 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: harder for people of color because usually that ideal is 290 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: driven by a eurocentric style, so it's white skin, silky hair. 291 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: So for women of color, it becomes offensive when white 292 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: people are wearing a hairstyle that they became oppressed by. 293 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: So okay, you did some more reading about that. 294 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's. 295 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: Important that you're touching on black women's hair and when 296 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: they are forced to make it look like white hair, 297 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: because a lot of people are arguing, oh, well, it 298 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: goes the other way. Black women have white people hairstyles, 299 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: and it's like, well, that's completely different because when a 300 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: more marginalized culture adopts the stronger cultural hairstyle to fit in, 301 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: that's not the same as someone taking it to then 302 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: make it a fashion trend. They're doing that so they 303 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: don't stand out, and it's actually about conforming to that 304 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: stronger culture. 305 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 2: Can I just make the point. 306 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: Obviously it was offensive, but Sarah has claimed that she 307 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: didn't understand, so she might not have been privy to 308 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: these readings. And a lot of people are saying the 309 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: same thing, Oh, I don't get white's offensive, and they're 310 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: really confused because a lot of people don't want to 311 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: offend anyone. And I honestly think that Sarah's Day didn't 312 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: intend to offend people, she was just ignorant in it. Yeah, 313 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: is it fair to say that because she didn't mean 314 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: to cause offence, that she shouldn't be sort of piled 315 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: on as she's being. Look, I find it hard that 316 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: she doesn't understand that it's offensive because there have been 317 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: so many examples in pop culture about celebrities getting accused 318 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: of cultural appropriation. When I researched this, there's about fifteen 319 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: well known people, so Sarah Hudgson wearing box braids and 320 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: Bindi's Beyonce dresses and Indian in Coldplays music video, Selena 321 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: Gomez wearing Indian dress at the MTV Music Awards, Kylie 322 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: Kloss wearing a Native American headdress at Victoria's Secrets Parade. 323 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: Of course, the Kardashians have often been accused of it. 324 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: I mean, most recently, Kim had to pull her shapewear 325 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: because she called it kimono. I know, I understand what 326 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: you're saying, but I'm saying, because she didn't actually intend 327 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: to cause offense and she's apologized, do you think it's 328 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: fair that people are piling on? I don't think it's 329 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: fair that people are piling on her at all. I 330 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: think the bigger issue at play is White Fox Boutique. So, 331 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: for those who don't know, White Fox Boutique is an 332 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: Australian e commerce fashion label and it's been worn by 333 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: celebrit It is like Chloe kutash In, Cardi b Sophia 334 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: Richie and Emily Radikowski and it's become really popular in 335 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: not only Australia but America, where they've actually opened up 336 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: a store in LA. It was founded by two Sydney 337 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: siders called Daniel Kontos. 338 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: And Georgia Moore. 339 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: And what is really interesting to me is the fact 340 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,239 Speaker 1: that they have not come out with a public apology 341 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: on behalf of White Fox Boutique. Now, Sarah has been 342 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: working with White Fox for a number of years. She's 343 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: launched all three of her active whear campaigns on there, 344 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: and I think it's quite troubling that they're letting one 345 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: twenty seven year old woman cop the blame for all 346 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: of this. She's faced up and apologized, but we've heard 347 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: nothing from them. 348 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 349 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: The thing is, when I saw Sarah's apology and then 350 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: the lack of apology from White Fox, it made me think, well, 351 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: How did this even get through to the stage where 352 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: they were filming this type of thing because there are 353 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: so many people, there would be pr people, campaign managers. 354 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: How did somebody not flag it and say it's offensive. 355 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: We can say maybe Sarah's Day didn't know that it 356 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: was offensive, but how were there so many people who 357 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: were like, oh, no, that's fine. Well, particularly when White 358 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: Fox boutique and known for their festival fashion, and you know, 359 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: for the last two years there's been a lot of 360 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: conversations around why Coachella fashion is offensive because it is 361 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: cultural appropriating. So I find it hard that not one 362 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: person within that brand saw the hairstyle and did not 363 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: think that there was something wrong with it. And it 364 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: does make me think, because Sarah said, hey, the hairstyle 365 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: was my idea, was it a case of people didn't 366 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: want to stand up to her because you know, she's 367 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: Sarah's Day. I din't even stand up to her. But to 368 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: question the talent, I mean, that's what you've got to 369 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: do in this industry if you could, if they could 370 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: foresee something like this happening, they really should have said something. 371 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: But I think they've just left her out to dry. 372 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry even if it was her initial idea to 373 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: wear the braids. They as the brand, have backed that 374 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: and agreed to go ahead with it. It really did 375 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: make me wonder who is managing Sarah's Day from a 376 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: public relations perspective, because it's quite well known that Sarah 377 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: seems to surround herself with people that are her friends 378 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: or her family in regards to her business. So her 379 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: best friend Tanika is I believe, her manager, and Kurt 380 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: is the one that headed up the whole filming and 381 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: creation of the campaign. So it makes me think, well, 382 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: is she living in this Cronulla bubble? Oh my god, 383 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: surely there were people from White Fox that were on 384 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: the ground. They would have had to have meetings about 385 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: everything from clothing to hair, to makeup and even the hairstylists. 386 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: Surely there was someone that could have said, wait a 387 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: sec is there something wrong with what we're doing here. 388 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: This whole issue with Sarah's Day has come in a 389 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: week where tensions are very high. Of course, there was 390 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: the horrific murder of George Floyd that has resulted in 391 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: the riots in America, and of course people are then 392 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,919 Speaker 1: going to channel their fury into Sarah if she's not 393 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: taking this issue seriously, and in doing so, people have 394 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: now gone and sort of dug up a lot of 395 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: different problematic behavior that she has been accused of. But 396 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: we're not going to go into these controversies because they 397 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: actually have nothing to do with the issue at hand, 398 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: and they're actually detracting from the conversation about cultural appropriation. Yeah, 399 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 1: that's right, And some of the comments that have been 400 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: thrown her way have been absolutely vicious, and as Sophie mentioned, 401 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: she announced on her inst story that she's been receiving 402 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: death threats and also death threats towards her child Fox, 403 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: which is absolutely disgusting, which sort of segues our chat 404 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: into cancel culture, which I think is really important. 405 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 2: To talk about. 406 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: I feel like the term cancel culture has been thrown 407 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: around now for a number of years, and it's really 408 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: interesting to look at what it actually is. So, I mean, 409 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: obviously it's when someone has been canceled, but in other words, 410 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: it's culturally blocking someone from having a prominent public platform 411 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,239 Speaker 1: or career. And there actually has been a number of 412 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: people who have been contacting brands saying they want Sarah's 413 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: Day canceled, saying they're not going to buy their products 414 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: if Sarah works for them. Do you guys think it's 415 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: fair to cancel somebody after a controversy like this. It's 416 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: hard for me because I do like Sarah's day and 417 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: her content. There has been a string of controversies and 418 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 1: problematic behavior that has followed her, so I can understand 419 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: why some people are doing that, particularly, as we said 420 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: in this week, when it is a very tense topic 421 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: of debate, and as it should be. I think it's 422 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: important that we're talking about this. It is crossing a 423 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: line when people are obviously sending her death threats and 424 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: then also sending and a message to a brand saying 425 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: we don't want to hear from Sarah anymore, is fundamentally 426 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: taking her wage away from her. So I don't agree 427 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: with that. I do think people can talk with their 428 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: wallets and don't buy her active wear if you don't 429 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: believe that she has apologized and you don't think that 430 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: she is taking cultural appropriation. 431 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 2: Seriously, Can I butt in? 432 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: When you see people canceling a celebrity, it's really a 433 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: collective way of saying, we've elevated your social status, your 434 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: economic prowess, and we're not going to pay attention to 435 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: you in the way that we once did. So it's 436 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: basically taking away that person's influence, which I feel like 437 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people are trying to do to Sarah's day. 438 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: I feel like it's fair. 439 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: Enough if you don't want to watch her anymore, unsubscribe, unfollow, 440 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: but I don't think we should be trying to destroy her. 441 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 1: We're talking about unfollowing her. Sarah was unfollowed by eighty 442 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: four people on Thursday, so this is when all this 443 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: controversy came out. 444 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: Well, she put that. 445 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: Into context from looking at Social Blade, her average daily 446 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: follow is seven hundred and forty nine followers, so there 447 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: really would have been a large number of more unfollows 448 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: than just eighty nine because it's combated by the number 449 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: of people following her that day. Can I have to say, 450 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: I think it's too far to say that's it, Sarah's Day, 451 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: You're canceled now, because we also have to take into 452 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: account she has apologized. Whether people think it's legitimate or not, 453 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: they have pulled the whole campaign, and from someone who 454 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: has I must say, Sophie and I have actually met 455 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: Sarah through a work thing. 456 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: Briefly. 457 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: She was a lovely, lovely person, and I just think 458 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: it's absolutely disgusting the fact she's receiving death threats. Yes, 459 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: her actions weren't good, but she as a person is 460 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: not a horrible person. It really falls into the question 461 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: of do you think cancel culture is an important tool 462 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: of social justice or is it just a new form 463 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: of merciless mob mentality. I think it's more mentality. I 464 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: mean a lot of the people who are saying this 465 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: stuff about Sarah, all the nasty stuff, and taking a 466 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: lot of things potentially out of context, they're people who 467 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: don't know her at all. I mean, I've followed her 468 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: for years, and I can tell you Sarah would not 469 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: have meant offense by this look. It has been a 470 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: contentious issue amongst us because we've had debates off Mike 471 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: about this, and we've got sort of varying opinions. I 472 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: think it's sort of about playing the action, not the person. 473 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: So I don't think she personally should be canceled and 474 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 1: people should be attacking her as a person. But it 475 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: does get to a point where she has done so 476 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: many controversial things and she doesn't seem to actually understand 477 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: how they are offensed. 478 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 4: She's a health and wellness influencer. Yes, that she has 479 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 4: one point one million followers. So what is the stage 480 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 4: when you go from being someone that can sort of, 481 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 4: you know, say what they want to someone that actually. 482 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: Has a lot of interface. And it's exactly like footy players, 483 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: people go, oh, they did this wrong. They've got all 484 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 1: this money, they've got all this influence, you know, it's 485 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 1: just like the new people. It's influencers who have all 486 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: these young people listening and watching, and then it seems 487 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: like we're expecting so much from them when she's just 488 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: some young girl and cronology and how many mistakes do 489 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: we allow her to make without her educating herself on anything. 490 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: I think a lot of these mistakes that you're talking about, 491 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: I think a lot of them are unfounded. 492 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: I'm simply saying. 493 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: That what does all of this hate achieve. I'm sure 494 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: we all agree that Sarah's Day and many other people 495 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: in society need to be further educated on this topic, 496 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: But sending her hate and vicious message doesn't achieve it 497 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: at all. Having a clear and productive discussion on what 498 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: we can do to make sure people become better educated 499 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: on this topic is a much more productive discussion. Yes, 500 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: but when she has a history of deleting anyone that 501 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: tries to educate her on the topic, it does say 502 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: that she is not going to educate herself. And it's 503 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: at a point where it's like, there's so so many 504 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: times when people have said, you need to educate yourself 505 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: on this. You can't say this, you can't say that. 506 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: But she just sweeps up under the car. But just 507 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: because she's deleting it, it doesn't mean she hasn't read the 508 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 1: message and taken it on. 509 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: Why I delete it then, because she probably doesn't want 510 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: people sending her more. 511 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: Look, can I just say I agree with Kate that 512 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: she needs a take on board what people are saying 513 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: and the censorship isn't great. But my concern is we 514 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: could see another Caroline Flack situation. I just don't like 515 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: this culture of people piling on other people and sending 516 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: hate because we don't know what states some people are 517 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: with their mental health. So I just think, yes, the 518 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: actions what she did was wrong, and she said sorry, 519 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: she's admitted her faults, and maybe it would be great. 520 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: Maybe when she's thought about it for a few weeks, 521 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: she actually might reach out to somebody who can educate 522 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: her further, or she might try and educate herself. But 523 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: we need to think about how we're talking to people 524 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: online and be a lot nicer, And I think we 525 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: need to understand that throwing accusations has a huge impact 526 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: on someone's reputation, and we also need to give someone 527 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: the opportunity to answer these allegations that are now being 528 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: thrown at her. So before we all jump on board 529 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: and believe everything that someone says on a forum or 530 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: chat site, I think we all need to do a 531 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: little bit more research into the topic and give someone 532 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: the opportunity to explain. Now, just to wrap up this topic, 533 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: it is unfortunate that we've had to delve into mental 534 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,959 Speaker 1: health and cancel culture because of this pylon that's been 535 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 1: happening with Sarah. So we just wanted to end it 536 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: on the positive note that this discussion and this incident 537 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: has brought up a really important point that we all 538 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: do need to educate ourselves on cultural appropriation because it's 539 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: obvious that there has been a lot of confusion about 540 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: it and it's now at a point where we need 541 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: to educate ourselves. We can't just say, oh, I'm sorry, 542 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: I'm not educated on that topic. And then go about 543 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: our daily lives. So we are going to link some 544 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: really great resources about cultural appropriation in our show notes 545 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: if people want to have a lookover, she's. 546 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 4: The least exciting to look at. 547 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 1: Now, moving on to our real rap of the week, Now, Kate, 548 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: can you explain what's happened with Reynold from Master Chef? 549 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: So this was really shocking. It has emerged that Reynold 550 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: back in twenty fourteen has been making some homophobic slurs online. 551 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: So he was part of a body building forum in 552 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen when he was twenty so I think it 553 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: was just a year before he made his first appearance 554 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: on Master Chef. Now he was quoted as saying, I 555 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: wish the world made a united decision where they will 556 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: capture all gay people and put them on a remote 557 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: island of gays. That way, straight people will be happy 558 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: and the freaks can go and fuck themselves. Now, this 559 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: is totally different from the persona we get on Master 560 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: Chef because lots of people love Reynald. He is of 561 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,439 Speaker 1: course famous for his amazing desserts, and he's really softly 562 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: spoken show. I've never really heard him speak. It's more 563 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: his desserts that speak for himself. Yeah, so it's important 564 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: to note that this was of course six years ago, 565 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: and he has issued an apology saying that this is 566 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: definitely not how he thinks anymore, and he has grown 567 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: as a person since then. What's interesting though, is a 568 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: lot of the people on the show that he is 569 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: obviously competing against and friendly with our homosexual So it 570 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: was obviously another big blow for the show because Ben, 571 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: who is known as the ice cream Guy, he was 572 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: arrested after being accused of sexually assaulting a sixteen year old. 573 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: I think he's actually been charged on that now. This 574 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: was meant to be the family friendly show of Lockdown. Well, 575 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: I did find it really interesting that obviously we've gone 576 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: into Sarah's day and her being accused of cultural appropriation. 577 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: But it was interesting because this one seemed to be 578 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: swept under the carpital. I did not see many people 579 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: talking about this. It is an interesting concept though, because 580 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: so much of our life consists online, and stuff that 581 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: we published or thought was okay to publish years and 582 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: years ago, we can still be held into account for 583 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: those things. It is a really interesting topic to discuss 584 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: because he might rightly so have evolved and changed very 585 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: much through those experiences in this past six years. In 586 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: saying that, I think it was a very disgusting and 587 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: vile comment to leave on a public form. 588 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: How did they know it was him? 589 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: I'm not too sure because the username wasn't obviously his name. Yeah, 590 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: so I suppose they probably linked. He probably has been 591 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: very active on this forum and they linked it. It 592 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: is very disappointing to hear. Now let's move on to 593 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: a pretty heartbreaking announcement. Colton from America's Bachelor has announced 594 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: he and Cassie have split. Sophy, can you talk us 595 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: through this heartbreaking? You used to love him? Yeah, well, 596 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: to see him I have a boyfriend, I know. I 597 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: think it was just so nice to see him happy. 598 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: I mean, we've spoken about him on the podcast before 599 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: and it was made into a huge deal because he 600 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: was he was a virgin, so he's lost his virginity 601 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,239 Speaker 1: to cass So I feel like, I don't know, it 602 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: make me sad because I feel like this was his 603 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: first proper love. So he announced the split on Instagram 604 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: and said it's been a crazy few months to say 605 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: the least. That's in reference to the fact that he 606 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: had coronavirus. Cass and I have been doing a lot 607 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: of self reflecting. Sometimes people are just meant to be friends, 608 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: and that's okay. We both have grown immensely been through 609 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: so much together. So this isn't the end of our story. 610 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: It's the start of a whole new chapter for us. Now, 611 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, how is this the start of. 612 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 2: A new chapter? 613 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: Oh? Look, I think that's a pretty classy breakup. It 614 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: is a classy one, but I kind of think it's 615 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: not real. Like if I was going through a breakup 616 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: and I saw that, I'd be like bullshit. But so 617 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: if you were in the public eye and had fallen 618 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: in love on a television show, you would have to 619 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: put something fake up there too. 620 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 2: Well, I didn't really like Cali can be. 621 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,479 Speaker 1: Like, oh my heart's broken and I'm so upset. 622 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think you have. 623 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: To say it's a new chapter for you and your 624 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 1: chapter is old. I think it was quite nice and 625 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: you never know. I mean, Colton's such a lovely guy 626 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 1: and she seems like a lovely person. Maybe they have 627 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: just realized they are friends. I found something missing. I 628 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: found her announcement quite odd. Did you guys see it? It 629 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: was filled with all these photos of obviously their time 630 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: together on the show. 631 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. 632 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: For me, I feel like her post was evident that 633 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: she did the breaking up because she seemed okay to me. 634 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: Just for some background for those who haven't seen The Bachelor. 635 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: So she actually left the show I think when there 636 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: was just three of them left, and Coleton had to 637 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: chase her and beg her to come back on the 638 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: show because he wanted to end up with her. Yah, 639 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: So he broke up with the two other women that 640 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: were still in love with him just for a chance 641 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: at being with Cassie. So it always seemed a bit uneven. 642 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: It seemed like he was very much into her. 643 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: Now what, Maybe it's the isolation happening. May breakup. 644 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: He was isolating with her family and they were looking 645 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: after him while he had coronavirus. 646 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 2: Damn coronavirus. You're insignificant. 647 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: Ask care Now, moving on to the pit and peak 648 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: of the social media week, and the peak definitely has 649 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: to be uk vloggers Saffron Barker's video with her eighteen 650 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: year old brother Jed. She asked him some pretty crazy 651 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: questions for a sister to be asking. 652 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 2: Didn't she Yeah. 653 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: The whole basis of the video was that teenage girls 654 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: sent in question the questions that they wanted boys to 655 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: answer a teenage boy, teenage boys. I loved it because 656 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: it was so awkward. She asked her brother how many 657 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: people he slept with. She asked if he'd taken nude photos, 658 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: for which he set. 659 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 2: To admit he first lied. 660 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: Anyone wanting to check it out, we'll link it in 661 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: our show notes because it's super awkward but kind of just, 662 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, super entertaining. I feel like as a teenager, 663 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: I would have loved to have these questions answered. Now 664 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: moving on to the pit and it's a little bit 665 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: of a different one. I wanted to mention the lack 666 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: of YouTube uploads by some of Australia's biggest YouTubers. So 667 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 1: we've of course been in isolation. I can't even remember 668 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: how many weeks it is now in a number of months, 669 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: an hour and I'm not going to name them, but 670 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: it's a particular YouTuber has uploaded two videos and I 671 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: think it comes after the promise that oh, we're an eye, 672 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: so we're going to reveal so much content, and I 673 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: am wondering whether it has to do with the fact 674 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: that a lot of brand deals aren't happening at the moment, 675 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: so maybe they don't see it financially viable to spend 676 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: their time doing it. The crazy thing is, though, there 677 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: have been YouTubers, and particularly ones in America and the UK, 678 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,239 Speaker 1: who have gone great, I've got nothing else to do. 679 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm just going to YouTube my whole day and I'm 680 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: going to benefit and they have seen their followings go 681 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: up in the thousands each week. Well, I took a 682 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: look at social Blade last night and it was really 683 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: intriguing to search some of the influencers who have been 684 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: lacking on social. 685 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: Media and ia. 686 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and their followings have dropped substantially during this time. 687 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about in the thousands of followers. So 688 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: it should be really interesting to see if that continues 689 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 1: once we get out of this isolation stage. 690 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 2: You don't walk out of my room. 691 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: Came you left in me for Allen? Hello, Now it's 692 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: time for awkward turtle and so you have some pretty 693 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: awkward stories to share with us. But we need to 694 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: preface apparently this story. 695 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 2: Is not from you. 696 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, So this isn't me. This is actually a friend 697 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: of mine who requested to be anonymous. So my friend 698 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: works in a very corporate, high up business and he 699 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: was feeling quite unwell that day, like I don't know 700 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: if you guys have experienced, but when you have a bit. 701 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 2: Of trapped gas. 702 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: So he needed to fart, but he couldn't because he's 703 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: at work basically, so he saw his opportunity to go 704 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: to the toilet. Now, this toilet is kind of in 705 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: a locked off area. 706 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 2: Where there's glass doors. 707 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: That you have to go through to get into the 708 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: toilet area, So he thought it was quite safe to 709 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: fart in there. And he thought he was in the toilet, 710 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: he's at the trough. Yeah, So he thought it would 711 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: just be a kind of silent and nobody else was 712 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: in there. 713 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 2: No one was in it. 714 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: He thought it would be like just a soft far anyway, 715 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: So he let rip and it was a massive, massive fart, 716 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: a very loud, audible fart, And as soon as he fighted, 717 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: he then hurt people walk past the door. Was there 718 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: any sniggering or he couldn't hear any So he quickly 719 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: hid in the cubicle anyway, So his plan of attack 720 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: was to remain in the cubicle for a number of 721 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: minutes for the people to leave and then to secure 722 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: and exit. So he exited, went the long way around 723 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: the building so it didn't look like he came from 724 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: the toilet. This has actually happened to me before when 725 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: I was at Channel seven. So I was walking into 726 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: the toilets. I was literally punched in the face with 727 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: the odor that was coming from those toilets. It was 728 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: so foul. I actually walked in and then I thought, 729 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: oh my god, I do not want to be framed 730 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: for this smell. So I quickly exited the toilets, and 731 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, walking towards me was one of 732 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: the editors, and I was like, oh gosh, it's going 733 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: to look like I've done it. So I said to her, 734 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my goodness, I wouldn't go in there. 735 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: It absolutely stinks. I'm just walking upstairs. But I had 736 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: to make the point of walking past her because I 737 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to look like I was just going to 738 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: walk back to my desk, because if I'd just been 739 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: to the toilet, that's the worst. When you're framed in 740 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,479 Speaker 1: those situations, it makes you say because when you say, oh, 741 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: don't you know it wasn't me it makes it seem 742 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: like you're lying. Yeah, there have been countless times I've 743 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: gone to public shopping center toilets and there has been 744 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: no toilet brush and people have just left the remnants 745 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: in there, and you, whoever comes in after you, it 746 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: looks like it's you, even though it's not. Well. If 747 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: anyone has had an awkward turtle situation, now it doesn't 748 00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: now now the term. 749 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: Awkward turtles out. 750 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: It's really gross in context of what we're talking about. 751 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 2: But please share them with us. 752 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: And you can share them in our community discussion. Our community, 753 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: you can find us at Outspoken the podcast community, and 754 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,280 Speaker 1: we're having some fun discussions in there. Yeah, so definitely 755 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: come and join us in there. Well, thank you so 756 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: much for joining us for another episode of Outspoken. If 757 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: you have enjoyed today's episode, we would absolutely love if 758 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: you could share it on your Insta story and tag 759 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: us out Outspoken, Underscore the Underscored Podcast and as so, 760 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: if you mentioned, we do have our community page, so 761 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: if you do want to come in and continue the conversation, 762 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,920 Speaker 1: we will be discussing all things mentioned in today's episode.