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Speaker 1: I think it's time for the week that was and

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Speaker 1: joining us today on the show. We have got Matt

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Speaker 1: Cunningham from Sky News. Good morning, Matt, good morning, Good

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Speaker 1: to have you on the show. We've got the Minister

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Speaker 1: for Territory, Families, Business, plenty of different portfolios. Rob and Carl,

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Morning Katie, Good morning to everyone out.

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Speaker 1: There and live from Central Australia. We have got the

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Speaker 1: former Attorney General. He is indeed one of the members

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Speaker 1: of the opposition for the Labour Party, Chancey.

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Speaker 3: Pai, get a Chancy, get a Katie in a shout

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Speaker 3: out here and tuned in.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you on the show this morning. Now, look,

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Speaker 1: there is so much to cover off before we get

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Speaker 1: to the news of the week and the incidents of

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Speaker 1: the week. I do just want to give our listeners

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Speaker 1: a very quick update that the Northern Territory Police have

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Speaker 1: now charged a man in relation to a kidnapping incident

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Speaker 1: in Daily Waters earlier this week. Detectives have charged that

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Speaker 1: twenty six year old with three counts of aggravated assault,

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Speaker 1: one count of kidnapping, one of recklessly endangering life, one

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Speaker 1: of deprive depriving of liberty. Too were possessing firearms without license,

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Speaker 1: amongst other things. He has been remanded to appear in

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Speaker 1: the Darwin Local Court on Monday. So just a bit

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Speaker 1: of an update there for our listeners as it was

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Speaker 1: something that they were pretty concerned about yesterday on the show.

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Speaker 1: Now let's get straight into it because there is an

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Speaker 1: awful lot to cover off on this morning, and we

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Speaker 1: know that the City of Darwin has successfully overturned a

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Speaker 1: provisional heritage listing of the Darwin Esplanade, with the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court of the Northern Territory ruling that the Heritage Council

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Speaker 1: denied the municipality procedural fairness. The council has been in

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Speaker 1: strike well, they've stridently opposed this happening combat scalas the

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Speaker 1: on numerous occasions to talk about why the council was

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Speaker 1: absolutely opposed to this going ahead. I mean it was

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Speaker 1: going to mean that literally nothing was going to be

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Speaker 1: no real reason.

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Speaker 4: It defies logic and it's yet another example of a

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Speaker 4: situation that has seen an absolute waste of money, of

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Speaker 4: taxpayer money in the territory defend something that should never

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Speaker 4: have happened in the first place. I think it's really

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Speaker 4: interesting if you go back in time. Previous Minister Combat

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Speaker 4: Scarlets was the previous Heritage Minister and he absolutely did

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Speaker 4: not believe that was the approach to take. It was

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Speaker 4: a case by case says the application process. We have

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Speaker 4: to do what's best for the territory going forward. We

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Speaker 4: have to look after business, we have to look after environment,

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Speaker 4: we have to look after our important sites. But that

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Speaker 4: doesn't mean blocking everything with absolutely no discussion. And I

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Speaker 4: think that's the other thing that's really astonishing about this.

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Speaker 4: This just came out of nowhere, no opportunity for anybody

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Speaker 1: Chatsy, by the look of things, you'd made that visional

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Speaker 1: on December three, twenty twenty one, and it was decided

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Speaker 1: it was a place of heritage significance. Then on September thirty,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, forwarded that decision. Sorry, that decision was

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Speaker 1: then forwarded to you, I should say, on March sixteen,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, after the Heritage Council accepted a nomination

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Speaker 1: to least the Esperanade. Sorry on December three, Why did

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Speaker 1: you make that provisional heritage listing for the Esperanad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, Katie, I think it's important to acknowledge that

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Speaker 3: it wasn't actually a heritage listing. It's provisional listing.

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Speaker 1: Exacly for all.

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Speaker 3: Intensive purposes, it's provisionally listed, and then the information that

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Speaker 3: taken or be adopted is followed. Now, that's the information

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Speaker 3: that came from the Heritage Council and the Department around

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Speaker 3: provisionally listing it and enabling that process to proceed forward.

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Speaker 1: Even though but like still, I get what you're saying

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Speaker 3: It's important to allow people to then have that conversation,

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Speaker 3: So that was a provisional listing. That's to say that

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Look, I don't know the ins and outs of what

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Speaker 5: chance he's explaining there. What I do know, Katie, is

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Speaker 5: that I mean I was in Townsville a couple of

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Speaker 6: Why haven't we got this year? You know, the place

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Speaker 5: There are cafes, there are restaurants, there are exercise stations.

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Speaker 5: The same thing when you go to Cans You've got

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Speaker 5: Muddy's Cafe, on the esplanade there you've got volleyball courts,

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Speaker 5: you've got basketball courts, You've got all of these things happening.

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Speaker 5: It's a real hub for locals to go to. You

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Speaker 5: see locals going down there and having barbecues and having

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Speaker 6: It really is. In both of those cities, which are.

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Speaker 5: Very similar to ours, their esplanade, their strand is like

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Speaker 5: the center of activity for tourists and for locals who

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Speaker 5: esplanade is the deadest, most ignored, most underutilized piece of

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Speaker 1: Espanage by a small group. And this is I think

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Speaker 1: the thing that I find frustrating is that, you know,

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Speaker 2: Down by people who don't actually live here either. In

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Speaker 4: So as I was running talking to people discussing lots

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Speaker 4: And I think the really critical element in all of

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Speaker 4: we spent two hundred and fifty thousand dollars of taxpayer

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Speaker 4: have been, Okay, we've got it wrong. Let's let's pause it,

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Speaker 4: let's find out exactly what's going on, let's hear what

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Speaker 4: people have got to say. But no previous government went no,

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Speaker 4: we're going to fight this. We're going to fight this

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Speaker 4: to the death, to the tune of two hundred and

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Speaker 1: Why chancey, Like, why did just decide to fight that?

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Speaker 1: Why not sort of you know, do yeah, do the

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Speaker 3: I think again, it's important. It's a provisional or it

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Speaker 3: was a provisional listing. It wasn't a permanent listing.

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Speaker 1: But it's still two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: And Katie, this was the information and the advice that

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Speaker 3: and that's what government listened to the departments and follow

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I just want to what's going to

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Speaker 4: jump in there. Departments are great, the people who work

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Speaker 4: that I have really made sure that I'm doing is

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Speaker 4: I get department advice, which is brilliant, but I then

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Speaker 4: interrogate it because I really want to dig down and

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Speaker 4: find out where did this come from, why we're doing this,

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Speaker 4: is there a better way, what does.

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Speaker 2: The community think? And one of.

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Speaker 4: The focuses that I've been taking in the last few

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Speaker 4: So if this had come to me from the department

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Speaker 2: This is on my desk, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 4: What's your thought? I were have talked to businesses, what

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Speaker 4: And clearly I would have got an overwhelming art no,

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Speaker 4: that's not what we should be doing.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think it's interesting that that we're talking about

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Speaker 5: I think we should have a consultation and even wider

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Speaker 5: what should happen, Because I mean I might be out

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Speaker 5: The only thing I think that has happened there in

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Speaker 1: Absolutely it is. Meanwhile, I actually, you know, we've spoken

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Speaker 1: in the past about whether there could actually be a

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Speaker 1: but also.

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Speaker 2: Those beach that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that whole precinct could be such a vibrant, attractive

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Speaker 4: space to be in.

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Speaker 2: And at the moment, mainly what we.

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Speaker 4: Get is why is there so much anti social behavior there?

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Speaker 4: That's the main complaint I get. And part of the

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Speaker 4: reason for that is says nothing else happening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, look, it was a win for the council,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that on this one. But one

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Speaker 1: area where they certainly are not winning at this point

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Speaker 1: in time is with the Cyclone Tracy monument.

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Speaker 6: Or it's not Cyclone something.

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Speaker 1: Well, I tell you what, people are absolutely furious and

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Speaker 1: and we did catch up with a couple of those

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Speaker 1: Cyclone Tracy survivors throughout the week, but one in particular

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Speaker 1: who's slammed the city of the City of Darwin. And

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Speaker 1: and you know, and it follows basically this group had

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Speaker 1: said that they were keen to go down and protest

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Speaker 1: the event that's due to happen this Friday, as that

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Speaker 1: as the Fallopian Tubes, as many have dubbed it, are unveiled.

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Speaker 1: Now a lot of people are opposed to it right

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Speaker 1: from the get go. But so they've said that they're

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Speaker 1: going to go down and protest the unveiling of the

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Speaker 1: monument that's not a monument. The Council said, no, you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Katie certainly have heard right around the community

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Speaker 3: minister at the August election. She'd been on the backbench.

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Speaker 3: She'd made a decision to step down from the cabinet,

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Speaker 3: so she has complied with the current Northern Territory Ministerial

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Speaker 3: Code of Conduct.

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Speaker 1: Well, Andrew and Herberts just text in and he said, Hi, Katie,

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Speaker 1: Nicole taking your job with a gas company is a

444
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Speaker 1: bit of a storm in a teacup. She seems qualified.

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Speaker 1: I don't see an issue that's just from Andrew there

446
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Speaker 1: in her And.

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Speaker 2: If we're honest, we didn't see a lot of progress.

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Speaker 4: Actually we saw zero progress in developing the industry under

449
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Speaker 4: the Labor government her involvement. When she was involved, we

450
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Speaker 4: didn't see any progression. And so I mean, the reality

451
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Speaker 4: is we've got an industry that is totally stalled and

452
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Speaker 4: we've done a lot of work in the last few

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Speaker 4: weeks to get that back on track.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little about that because we know that

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Speaker 1: it was reported in the Northern Territory News a little

456
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Speaker 1: earlier in the week that the territory is actually facing

457
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Speaker 1: ongoing risks of power blackouts and higher energy prices. That's

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Speaker 1: according to Australia's Energy Regulated despite sitting between two of

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Speaker 1: the world's largest gas prospects. We know the latest Australian

460
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Speaker 1: Energy Regulators report was downbeat about the territory's electricity supplies,

461
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Speaker 1: tipping ongoing blackouts caused by an unsecured gas supply. It

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Speaker 1: seems unbelievable that we're in a situation where we are

463
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Speaker 1: potentially staring down the barrel of blackouts and not enough

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Speaker 1: gas given where we are and what we've got around us.

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Speaker 4: And that's a great that's the failure of the previous

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Speaker 4: government to make sure that that didn't happen, and that's

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Speaker 4: the task that's been set to us as a new

468
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Speaker 4: government to actually secure the gas supply, secure our electricity supply.

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Speaker 4: We've put a lot of work into that. We're going

470
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Speaker 4: to be spending around one hundred and fifty million dollars

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Speaker 4: this year by the end of this current financial year

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Speaker 4: to actually make sure that we can maintain our electricity

473
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Speaker 4: supply and that we need to make sure that our

474
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Speaker 4: customers generally are aware that we do need to be

475
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Speaker 4: careful about what we do and how we do it.

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Speaker 4: We're investing as much as we can, as quickly as

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Speaker 4: we can to get that gas supply going.

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Speaker 5: There's a couple of things. One is the Black Tip Field,

479
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Speaker 5: which I mean there was a take or pay deal

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Speaker 5: done I think with the former Henderson government that was

481
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Speaker 5: supposed to run until twenty thirty four. That gas has

482
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Speaker 5: clearly run out sooner than was expected. And it does

483
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Speaker 5: show the importance of these onshore gas resources that we have,

484
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Speaker 5: and it shows why the previous Labor government, under even lawless,

485
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Speaker 5: sign those deals with Empire Energy and Tamborm to get

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Speaker 5: first access to that gas. Now there's been so much

487
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Speaker 5: wailing and gnashing of teeth over those deals. I mean

488
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Speaker 5: the alternative to those deals is to run our electricity

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Speaker 5: system on diesel, right, or to import gas from the

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Speaker 5: East Coast. And you know that Gemina now has now

491
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Speaker 5: reversed the Northern gas pipeline so that we can import

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Speaker 5: gas from the East Cook Coast which has bugger or

493
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Speaker 5: gas anyway, probably import gas from overseas, or we could

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Speaker 5: use the resource that's under our feet. And so I

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Speaker 5: just like there was so much outrage about that deal

496
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Speaker 5: being done with Tambora and an empire, and I would

497
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Speaker 5: just say to those who are outraged about what is

498
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Speaker 5: the alternative? It's not the three solar farms that have

499
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Speaker 5: been built that are still sitting idol of Man, Dan

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Speaker 5: Bachelor and Catherine Chancey.

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Speaker 1: I mean, should you guys have sped this up?

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Speaker 3: Look, Katie, I think firstly, I think, just going to

503
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Speaker 3: Matt's point, absolutely, the former Chief Minister, Evia Lailer did

504
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Speaker 3: do a range of things to look at securing gas

505
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Speaker 3: supply in the chair. There was those obviously ongoing conversations,

506
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Speaker 3: and you know the Power and Water Company considering the

507
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Speaker 3: legal action over e and I not meaning its legal

508
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Speaker 3: obligations as part of those deals to supply gas to

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Speaker 3: the Northern Territory. But Katie, I think you know, when

510
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Speaker 3: you look at the work that has been done in

511
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Speaker 3: this pace, you know we did had to undertake the CEREBA,

512
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Speaker 3: the Pepper Inquiry, the Chief Minister at the time, even

513
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Speaker 3: LAWLA working to secure that tambor and deal. There was

514
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Speaker 3: a lot of work in this space, and certainly making

515
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Speaker 3: sure that territorians can keep the lights on is an

516
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Speaker 3: important role. Is the government work that is happening that

517
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Speaker 3: should have.

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Speaker 2: Been sooner and if it had been sooner, we'd have.

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Speaker 3: That well sooner, probably under the CLP because they don't

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Speaker 3: subscribe to the environmental regulation.

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Speaker 2: Well you know that's not true. Chance, we absolutely subscribe

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Speaker 2: to the.

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Speaker 3: Work there, the Pepper and made it clear that these

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Speaker 3: were all of the things that needed to be done,

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Speaker 3: no doubt, though like.

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Speaker 1: No doubt we've dragged out heels right, Like I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: I do think that we need to make sure you're

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Speaker 1: doing everything correctly. You need to make sure that you

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Speaker 1: know that you're not that you're not ruining the environment.

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Speaker 1: But there is no doubt that labor did really take

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Speaker 1: a long time on this chancey I mean, and from

532
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Speaker 1: my understanding, you know, like you guys didn't all agree

533
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Speaker 1: on it either. You and I have spoken about this

534
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Speaker 1: on numerous occasions.

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Speaker 4: There's meeting regulations and then there's using those regulations to

536
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Speaker 4: delay projects unnecessarily, which is absolutely what we're seen. Look,

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Speaker 4: the good news for Territorians is we have resolved that

538
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Speaker 4: and we will see blu gas in the second half

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Speaker 4: of twenty twenty five. Not as soon as it should

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Speaker 4: have been, but it will be coming as soon as

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Speaker 4: we can actually get it accessed.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely as soon as it should have been because

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Speaker 3: honoring and protecting the environment and the water is well.

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Speaker 2: You might want to tell that to Territorians when their.

545
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Speaker 3: Lights go out. Chances see, what will continue to do

546
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Speaker 3: is to make sure that those regulations are here too.

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Speaker 1: Well. Look, we are going to take a very quick break.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.

549
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Speaker 1: It is the week that was. Well, you are listening

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Speaker 1: to the week that was if you've just joined us

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Speaker 1: down in Central Australia. Joining us on the line is

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Speaker 1: Chancy Paike. We've also got Matt Cunningham and Robin Carl

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Speaker 1: in the studio with us. Now, Chancey, I know you

554
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Speaker 1: do need to leave a little early because you are

555
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: going to be going to an event with the Tanganjier

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Speaker 1: Women's group. I understand that it is actually in relation

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Speaker 1: to domestic violence. Correct me if I'm wrong. And we

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Speaker 1: have had another terrible week when it comes to domestic violence.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've learned that a sixty one year old

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Speaker 1: woman who was seriously injured allegedly by her partner in Catherine,

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Speaker 1: died in Royal Darwin Hospital about five weeks after the incident. Now,

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Speaker 1: as I understand it, that now means that eight Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory women have died at the hands of domestic violence

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Speaker 1: over the last last few months.

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Speaker 4: It's appalling that it's heartbreaking. We have this situation in

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Speaker 4: our community where, for some reason, everywhere else in the

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Speaker 4: country they don't pay attention to what's happening here. And

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Speaker 4: it takes the death of yet another amazing, wonderful Territorian mum, grandma, daughter,

569
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Speaker 4: sister before we actually have people stand up and take notice.

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Speaker 4: And I have been really digging deep into what we're

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Speaker 4: doing in the territory. I've so far been able to

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Speaker 4: visit regional areas around the Berkley and Alice Springs. I'm

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Speaker 4: heading out to Nulamboy before the end of the year

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Speaker 4: and Catherine talking to people on the ground about what's happening,

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Speaker 4: what they're doing, and there is such devastation caused by

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Speaker 4: this scourge in our community. And the reality is we

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Speaker 4: have a system. It's not just broken, it's shattered. We've

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Speaker 4: had an increase in DV across the territor in the

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Speaker 4: last eight years eighty two percent of domestic violence assault

580
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Speaker 4: increase eighty two percent, and in areas like Palmerston it's

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Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty percent. I can't even wrap my

582
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Speaker 4: head around that. So we very very clearly have to

583
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Speaker 4: change how we're approaching this. We have to acknowledge that

584
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Speaker 4: the things that we're doing are not having the impact

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Speaker 4: that we need them to have, and we really have

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Speaker 4: to start working on the ground and dealing with our communities,

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Speaker 4: working with them, equipping them and helping them to do

588
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Speaker 4: what they believe will work rather than what we think

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Speaker 4: should be done.

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Speaker 1: Chancey, I mean this has been an issue here in

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory for really quite some time. I mean,

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Speaker 1: as an Aboriginal man living in Central Australia, what do

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Speaker 1: you think realistically needs to change here? How can things

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Speaker 1: be dealt with where we actually start to see some change.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Katie, I think it's it's such an important

596
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Speaker 3: topic in the North Territory and particularly nationwide, Australia has

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Speaker 3: a problem when it comes to domestic, family and sexual

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Speaker 3: violence that we all need to work together to overcome. Particularly,

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Speaker 3: I think it's important to acknowledge there are things that

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Speaker 3: are in place that are working. They're working at a

601
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Speaker 3: small level and that's largely due to obviously issues around funding.

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Speaker 3: So certainly I want to acknowledge that one hundred and

603
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Speaker 3: eighty million dollar commitment that was made by both major

604
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Speaker 3: parties at the territory election. But I think the way

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Speaker 3: that we do overcome this is by not continuing to

606
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Speaker 3: invest heavily in the national organizations around domestic and family violence.

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Speaker 3: We need to be funding the frontline, the door to

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Speaker 3: door that the women shelters, the domestic and family violence

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Speaker 3: networks that really help people on the ground, as well

610
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Speaker 3: as those education campaigns around talking to people so that

611
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Speaker 3: they understand what is not normal behavior and what is

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Speaker 3: not healthy. Because when you look at Katie, Aboriginal people

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Speaker 3: in the Northern Territory are eighteen times higher to experience

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Speaker 3: domestic and family and sexual violence than non Aboriginal people,

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Speaker 3: so there's certainly a lot of work to do. I

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Speaker 3: have absolutely reached out to the new Chief and said

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Speaker 3: that I'm more than happy to go with the Chief

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Speaker 3: to Canberra to lobby for needs based funding because that's

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Speaker 3: what we need in the Northern Territory and for some

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Speaker 3: part Katie needs based funding. We will see an increase

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Speaker 3: in domestic, family and sexual violence being reported because people

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Speaker 3: will start to feel a lot more comfortable about coming

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Speaker 3: forward and identifying and recognizing that level of abuse that

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Speaker 3: is happening. So, you know, the best way we can

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Speaker 3: do this is by coming together as a parliament going

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Speaker 3: to Canberra and knocking on the doors of both major

627
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Speaker 3: saying that we need needs based funding here in.

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Speaker 5: The chancey, can I just just ask you about the

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Speaker 5: point you made about that some of the funding being

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Speaker 5: directed to those national organizations. I mean, is your concern

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Speaker 5: at the moment that that federal government funding is sort

632
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Speaker 5: of going out and I'm not sure if you can

633
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Speaker 5: sort of articulate who some of those organizations are, but

634
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Speaker 5: they're going out to a national organization that might give

635
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Speaker 5: the Northern Territory three percent of its attention because we're

636
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Speaker 5: three percent of the Australian population.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Matt, Absolutely, I think you know, there are national

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Speaker 3: organizations and they all do a fantastic job, and I'm

639
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Speaker 3: sure Robin's met a number of them as well. They

640
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Speaker 3: do a great job. But when it comes to how

641
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 3: the pie is distributed and the funding and the work

642
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Speaker 3: that is put into the Northern Territory, we are such

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Speaker 3: a small population and.

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Speaker 4: I think the challenge, Chancey is that people who haven't

645
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Speaker 4: been here, who haven't lived here, who haven't seen the

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Speaker 4: depth of what we're dealing with, and the challenge of

647
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: disudents and remoteness and different communities having different approaches and

648
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 4: different needs, They go, well, why do you need this,

649
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Speaker 4: Why do you need needs based funding? Why can't we

650
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Speaker 4: just do the same thing that we do in Sydney

651
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Speaker 4: and Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the big.

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Speaker 4: Pushes we have to have is to get those people

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Speaker 4: who are making those funding decisions to get out of camera,

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Speaker 4: to come here, to travel around, to see what's happening

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Speaker 4: on the ground and understand that we need more funding

657
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Speaker 4: because the degree of the damage and the degree of

658
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Speaker 4: the problem is so much higher here in.

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Speaker 3: The Northern tortoh absolutely. It's also you know, we've got

660
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Speaker 3: so many remote communities across the Northern Territory and they're

661
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Speaker 3: wonderful places, but when someone experiences domestic, family or sexual

662
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Speaker 3: violence in those communities, if there's not a safe house,

663
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Speaker 3: the next place for them is a regional town, and

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Speaker 3: people often don't understand the distance that.

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Speaker 2: People they can't get there yeah to a.

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Speaker 3: Gate family violence, or when someone's being released from prison

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Speaker 3: and they haven't been sentenced to undertake a men's behavior

668
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Speaker 3: change program, sometimes you're putting the victim and the perpetrator

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Speaker 3: back in the same community without addressing any of the behavior.

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Speaker 3: And that's why men's behavior change programs are incredibly important.

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Speaker 3: The crisis accommodation, the women's legal services, these are all

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Speaker 3: important pieces of the puzzle. And this is why I've

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Speaker 3: said to the Chief Minister, I am more than happy

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Speaker 3: as an opposition member from the Labor Party to go

675
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Speaker 3: to Canberra with a COLP Chief Minister and knock on

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Speaker 3: doors and say this is something that needs bipartisan.

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Speaker 4: Support and we do really need to put all those

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Speaker 4: programs on the table and have a really good look

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Speaker 4: at them and the things that aren't working. We have

680
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Speaker 4: to stop trying to make them work and put the

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Speaker 4: effort into the areas that aren't working.

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Speaker 1: Now, I know, Chancey, that you are going to have

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Speaker 1: to leave us in just a moment's time. So I

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Speaker 1: do just want to very quickly discuss the fact that

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Speaker 1: one of Australia's top Aboriginal legal services, NAJA, has publicly

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Speaker 1: apologized for the unlawful sacking of its former chief executive officer.

687
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Speaker 1: The North Australian Aboriginal Justice Agency is the main legal

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Speaker 1: aid service for Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory, who

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Speaker 1: make up the vast majority of inmates, it's reported inside

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Speaker 1: the territory's overcrowded prisons now. According to the ABC, the

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Speaker 1: organization has been rocked by a significant period of instability

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Speaker 1: in recent years, seeing a revolving door of six chief

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Speaker 1: executives since late twenty twenty two. I mean, it is

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Speaker 1: a situation that continues to dominate the news headlines, Chancey,

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Speaker 1: what do you make of this most recent situation and

696
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Speaker 1: is NAJA in a situation here where the federal government

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Speaker 1: really needs to intervene?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie, I think certainly acknowledging NAJA has had it

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Speaker 3: tough recently, and I want to acknowledge the NAJA staff

700
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Speaker 3: because obviously what's experienced been happening in NAJA hasn't been

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Speaker 3: driven by the staff. It's been done on obviously at

702
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Speaker 3: a board and an executive level. So you know, I

703
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Speaker 3: think NAJA has been losing lawyers and has had difficulty

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Speaker 3: in retracting and attaining people. But I think it's important

705
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Speaker 3: to acknowledge that, you know, the Northern Territory government when

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Speaker 3: I was the Attorney General and no doubt the new

707
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Speaker 3: Attorney General and the Commonwealth have been working tirelessly in

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Speaker 3: this space. The way that NAJA was set up under

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Speaker 3: the National Legal Assistance Partnership is an asset listed company, Katie,

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Speaker 3: So the Northern Territory government at the time and still

711
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Speaker 3: to this moment, couldn't put in an administrator because we

712
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Speaker 3: had no legal jurisdiction over it.

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Speaker 5: So a lot of people are saying Chancey that the

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Speaker 5: board needs to go after this apology that was issued

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Speaker 5: to Priscilla Atkins this week. I mean, do you agree

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Speaker 5: that there needs to be clean out of the board

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Speaker 5: at NAGA now.

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Speaker 3: I think in the best interests for NAJA, a complete

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Speaker 3: restart would absolutely be one of the most beneficial ways

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Speaker 3: for everyone to do that. I think if you cleared

721
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Speaker 3: those positions and now the membership to determine who they

722
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Speaker 3: nominate and vote for as directors to be on the

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Speaker 3: board is an important step in allowing the nag.

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Speaker 4: The reality is NA if it was a business, just

725
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Speaker 4: a normal everyday business out in the community, its brand

726
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Speaker 4: is totally ruined. Federal government has to step in. Federal

727
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Speaker 4: government do have the opportunity I mean us as the

728
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Speaker 4: NT government, if we have serious concerns, we may not

729
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Speaker 4: have the oversighting of them as a register not for profit,

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Speaker 4: but we do have the ability to look at avenues

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Speaker 4: to raise our concern through assets through the federal government.

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Speaker 4: And the federal government absolutely cannot stand by any longer

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Speaker 4: and allow this to continue, because you're right, there are

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Speaker 4: people who are working there who are trying very hard

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Speaker 4: to do right by the people they're representing. But if

736
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Speaker 4: you've got a broken structure, there's nothing they can do

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Speaker 4: well take it.

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Speaker 3: Look. I think that Katie, that's important. Just picking up

739
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Speaker 3: from Robin's point. You know, we did send in auditors

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Speaker 3: and compliance reviews and so forth to do that work.

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Speaker 3: I think it's also important to acknowledge, particularly down here

742
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Speaker 3: in Central Australia, we used to have a second We

743
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Speaker 3: had the Central Australian aborig Legal Service, fantastic service down here.

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Speaker 3: Part of the National Legal Assistance Partnership that was rolled

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Speaker 3: out nationally required each jurisdiction to have one service. So

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Speaker 3: we lost that service in Central Australia.

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Speaker 5: And it was taken over by taken over by NAJIE,

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Speaker 5: which subsequently hasn't been able to keep up with the

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Speaker 5: workload speedily.

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Speaker 3: So one of the conversations that I had had with

751
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Speaker 3: the Commonwealth was I think we should go back to

752
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Speaker 3: having two Aboriginal legal services here in the Northern Territory

753
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Speaker 3: because if we were to see future events where one

754
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Speaker 3: legal Aboriginal legal service cannot deliver on its requirements, then

755
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Speaker 3: the other service can intrimely be stood up to help

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Speaker 3: in that process. So I think that certainly something that

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Speaker 3: needs to be looked at.

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Speaker 1: It'd be a hard sell to Territorians at this point,

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Speaker 1: given the fact that NAJERIE is in the turmoil that

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Speaker 1: they're in, and while it may be a practical thing

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Speaker 1: to do, I think that a lot of people would

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Speaker 1: be you know, sort of questioning whetherment to step in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've seen repeated examples of failures of this organization.

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Speaker 4: We've seen steps forward, step back. They're really in Devasa

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Speaker 4: right now. In terms of the stepping back this is sometimes.

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Speaker 3: I think let's also just acknowledge that prior to the

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Speaker 3: turbulent time that NAJA has been through, they have been

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Speaker 3: a very strong organization in our local community delivering justice

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Speaker 3: for many Aboriginal territorians. So acknowledging that, yes, the last

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Speaker 3: couple of years have been quite turbulent, but prior to that,

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Speaker 3: Nijer was a well respected legal service.

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Speaker 1: Chancey will let you go. I know you've got to

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Speaker 1: get across to that event. Really appreciate you joining us

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Speaker 1: this morning from Central aust No.

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Speaker 3: Worries, Thanks Katie, and good to be with you all.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Chancey Paik just just leaving us here to

777
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Speaker 1: go to that memorial event. But look, we'll take a

778
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Speaker 1: really quick break before we get ready to wrap up

779
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Speaker 1: the week that was well, you are listening to the

780
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Speaker 1: week that wasn't and in the studio with us, we

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Speaker 1: have still got Robin Carl and Matt Cunningham. Now before

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Speaker 1: we wrap up, just very briefly. I mean, Matt, I

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Speaker 1: know that you're more of an AFL man, but what

784
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Speaker 1: did you make of the Yeals contracts coming to an end?

785
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Speaker 1: I mean, I was happy. I'm hoping for the Dolphins

786
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Speaker 1: to step in to that role.

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Speaker 5: Well, so long as we get someone, and someone decent

788
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Speaker 5: will I mean, that's what I know that. I know

789
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Speaker 5: that the government's going on a cost cutting mission at

790
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Speaker 5: the moment, and I know it's going to mandate to

791
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Speaker 5: do so, and it needs to do so because you know,

792
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Speaker 5: we're staring at a whopping eleven million dollar ye eleven

793
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Speaker 5: billion dollar, twelve million dollar that's going to blooon out

794
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Speaker 5: the fifteen.

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Speaker 6: So I know they need to make it.

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Speaker 4: We're still going to have the footy though, Yeah, don't

797
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 4: don't get the wrong message. We're definitely going to have

798
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Speaker 4: the footy. It's just we're in negotiations with a new team.

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Speaker 6: We can't team is it.

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Speaker 2: We can't tell you.

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Speaker 6: Who, you know, because if it's the canbur Raiders, well

802
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Speaker 6: you know.

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Speaker 2: I have no say, but i'd be reading for the

804
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Speaker 2: Newcastle Knights. That's my name team. They don't do very

805
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Speaker 2: well now they came here, they'd be probably amazing you

806
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: know what.

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Speaker 5: What happened with the Paramatta deal though, Was it Paramatta

808
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 5: that fell out of love with us all the other

809
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Speaker 5: way around?

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't have the details of that, but it

811
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Speaker 4: was a mutual separation, as my understanding out, like.

812
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Speaker 1: I'm going to call it, I think what's actually happened,

813
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Speaker 1: and I could be very wrong, but reading between the lines,

814
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Speaker 1: based on the conversation that I'd had with Trevor Cox

815
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Speaker 1: from Major Events earlier in the week, he said that

816
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: some of the factors are like the broadcasting rights making

817
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Speaker 1: sure that we've got a game that's televised. Now, no

818
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: disrespect to the poor old Eels, but they've been, you know,

819
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Speaker 1: seller around the bottom of the table for quite some time.

820
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Speaker 1: So getting a game on a Friday night that's televised

821
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Speaker 1: becomes a little bit less, you know, it happens a

822
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Speaker 1: little bit less then when you're maybe not performing quite

823
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: so well. So I could be very wrong, but I

824
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Speaker 1: wonder whether that has sort of somehow come into play

825
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: as well. I like, I know I'm going to get

826
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Speaker 1: called out by my listeners here, but I do think

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Speaker 1: that going with the Queensland team is a good option

828
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Speaker 1: in the sense that, you know, a lot of people

829
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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory do really barrack for their Queenslne

830
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: teams when it comes to NRL football. And then you've

831
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Speaker 1: also got a lot of these, you know, across a

832
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Speaker 1: lot of the different plays, a lot of the different teams,

833
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Speaker 1: a lot of really sensational young indigenous players, particularly out

834
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Speaker 1: of the likes of North Queensland, you know, the Broncos

835
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Speaker 1: and even the Dolphins, and I think that that's a

836
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Speaker 1: wonderful thing. Then to see coming across the Cowboys.

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Speaker 6: The Cowboys would be the natural fit.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't they They would be the natural fit.

839
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Speaker 4: But not mine at this well, we are each allowed

840
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Speaker 4: to have our biases, Matt.

841
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Speaker 2: But it's an exciting time.

842
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 4: It's a time to actually revitalize their discussion and to

843
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 4: get some new blood into the mix and some new

844
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 4: fans into football because historically AFL is the footy game

845
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 4: that people follow here, but rugby league is my same

846
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 4: here growing up. Yes, football game AFL. Even though my

847
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 4: son was heavily involved in AFL, I still don't get it.

848
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Speaker 4: Apologies to all the AFL fans out there. Rugby league,

849
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Speaker 4: on the other hand, bring it on, Lavish.

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Speaker 6: We haven't got time for this.

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Speaker 1: To We've better not but look, it will be interesting.

852
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: But Bill the Treasurer did say earlier in the week

853
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: that no, this is treasure But Robin, can we get

854
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: you on the record too, saying this is not the

855
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Speaker 1: end of.

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Speaker 4: NRA hasn't been advised by the team. This is absolutely

857
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 4: not the end. There is something exciting in the wind

858
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Speaker 4: and watch this space.

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Speaker 1: All right, go the Darwin Dolphins. Yeah, Matt Cunningham, Robin Carl,

860
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Speaker 1: thank you both so very much for your time this morning,

861
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Speaker 1: and of course Chancey who did have to leave us

862
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier today. But but yes, thank you

863
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Speaker 1: both so very much for joining us on the show.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Katie, you are listening to mix Swallow for Nite

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Speaker 1: three sixteen