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Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 3: It's easy and it makes sense.
Speaker 1: So, without any further talk, please welcome to the stage.
Speaker 1: The host of You Ain't seen Nothing yet, Peter Holly are.
Speaker 4: Th passus.
Speaker 3: Drink your milk. Chic milk was a bad choice.
Speaker 2: Couldn't need happening right now. Welcome, So you ain't saying
Speaker 2: nothing yet. South Australia, Thank you.
Speaker 5: I really was paranoid that I'd be the one podcast
Speaker 5: where there's like four people in the fifth row.
Speaker 2: So thank you.
Speaker 5: We are at Sevensfield Winery in the beautiful Barossa Valley.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited. I was here yesterday.
Speaker 5: I did another podcast with Current Weekly yesterday, a stand
Speaker 5: up spot. And it's appropriate that I'm hungover today. Who
Speaker 5: has hungover?
Speaker 2: Excellent? Who will be hungover tomorrow? Excellent?
Speaker 5: Okay, we have an appropriate film to discuss that there
Speaker 5: will be spoilers. Who has seen the movie we are
Speaker 5: talking about to the who has seen the movie sideways?
Speaker 2: Okay, about ten percent of you? Excellent. There will be
Speaker 2: spoilers that we've got clips.
Speaker 5: There are some clips that might be there's one I
Speaker 5: think that which is at Night. It might be a
Speaker 5: little dark, but we enjoyed and listen to it. But
Speaker 5: we have a wonderful guest to talk about this movie
Speaker 5: and also some of his favorite movies. He is an
Speaker 5: absolute legend. He is a writer, a comedian.
Speaker 2: And a pusher of avocados. We all love you.
Speaker 5: Please go nuts for to see who's side.
Speaker 6: Hello, Hey everybody, Ah, it's so good to be here.
Speaker 6: One of my usual hangs. You love wineries, don't you
Speaker 6: put my top three wineries. This one, my god, what.
Speaker 2: Are the other two as well?
Speaker 6: I don't know if I can mention them because yeah,
Speaker 6: don't mention it because it says the Tuy's one four
Speaker 6: x winery down the road. There's so good. I love
Speaker 6: coming and looking at the grapes.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite grape?
Speaker 7: There's a dark red one and this and the small
Speaker 7: blue blue ones.
Speaker 6: Yes, the merlow grapes.
Speaker 2: Oh you. What's your favorite wine? What's your variety?
Speaker 6: The sparkling apple one from Woollies from.
Speaker 2: I think cotties do that pretty good? Wild is lovely?
Speaker 5: All Right, we're not going to waste any time, and
Speaker 5: tell us your three favorite films, and tell us also
Speaker 5: the film you're watching today.
Speaker 7: My three favorite films today because they change daily, are
Speaker 7: Four Lions, Hunt for the Wilder People, and Wolf Walker.
Speaker 6: Wolf Walker's I saw it two days ago.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that your most recent films you've watched? It's
Speaker 2: actually I.
Speaker 7: Have a I have a short term memory, by the way,
Speaker 7: So now my my favorite films changed.
Speaker 5: Regular Yeah, yeah, you've told me about three times, but
Speaker 5: there will be different films. And what film haven't you
Speaker 5: watched until this weekend?
Speaker 7: Okay, until this week, I hadn't seen the movie Sideways.
Speaker 8: Just try to be your normal humor self. Okay, the
Speaker 8: guy you were before the tail spin? Do you remember
Speaker 8: that guy? People love that guy. Don't forget your novel
Speaker 8: is coming out in the fall.
Speaker 9: Oh really, how exciting. What's a call.
Speaker 8: Here, Minds, Do not sabotage me. If you want to
Speaker 8: be a fucking lightweight, then that's your call. But do
Speaker 8: not sabotage me. Oh my captain, you got And if
Speaker 8: they want to drink Merlow, we're drinking my love.
Speaker 9: If anybody orders below, I'm leaving. I am not drinking
Speaker 9: any fucking Burlow.
Speaker 8: Okay, okay, relaxed Miles, Jesus, no more low stringers annex.
Speaker 5: Usually i'll do a creating review rotten alf all of
Speaker 5: the film, but it was written on my notes app
Speaker 5: on my phone, which I left in the green room,
Speaker 5: So so i'll add lib something. Sideways in two from
Speaker 5: two thousand and four, based on the novel by Rex Pickett,
Speaker 5: directed by Alexander Payne, the Great Alexander Payne, who also
Speaker 5: has done Citizen Ruth Election about Schmidt The Descendants, also
Speaker 5: co written by Jim Taylor, it was one of the
Speaker 5: first films to be nominated for all five major screenwriting awards,
Speaker 5: the Oscars, the Globes, the Bapts, amongst a couple of others.
Speaker 2: We see Paul G.
Speaker 5: Marty playing Miles, who has a Bucks week is scheduled
Speaker 5: for his mate Jack played by Thomas Hayden Church, and
Speaker 5: that dream week turns into a bit of a nightmare
Speaker 5: for both of them. It's an incredible film, incredible performances
Speaker 5: by GM Marty and Thomas Adan Church and Sandra Oh
Speaker 5: and also Virginia Madsen. The zim husseining will you be
Speaker 5: doing any fucking merlow this week?
Speaker 6: I'll be vampire drinking. If you heard what that is?
Speaker 7: No Mark Watch told me it's what I've been doing
Speaker 7: on my life. It's where you you basically you hold
Speaker 7: something and you pretend you're drinking and you actually are
Speaker 7: just judging everybody else.
Speaker 2: How much did you judge me yesterday?
Speaker 6: Just yesterday?
Speaker 7: I used to Yeah, I used to work at the
Speaker 7: corporate World for a couple of years, a professional serviceman
Speaker 7: price for US cups And basically, if you don't go
Speaker 7: to Friday night drinks, you know you can't really get it.
Speaker 7: You don't get to know your colleagues. So used to
Speaker 7: go there, and if you don't have something in your hand,
Speaker 7: people around you get really anxious. So you used to
Speaker 7: get coke and I'd say to them, can you take
Speaker 7: the straw out and make.
Speaker 6: It a small glass?
Speaker 7: And then as the night would go on, I would
Speaker 7: just start pretending to be I just tell people I
Speaker 7: love them, and.
Speaker 6: So being pretend drunk is something that I practiced for
Speaker 6: a long time.
Speaker 2: Us give us a couple of.
Speaker 7: You are actually pretty funny.
Speaker 5: When you told me that last night, I thought you
Speaker 5: were telling the truth.
Speaker 7: I wasn't vampire drinking then I was, actually so.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that you actually, yeah, thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 5: The scene you you watched this film about a week ago,
Speaker 5: I don't We'll get into whether you liked it or
Speaker 5: not soon. But obviously I decided to do highways. I
Speaker 5: wanted to do sideways here. It's the first one I've
Speaker 5: ever done in the winery, and I wanted to find
Speaker 5: somebody who'll be fun to do it with. Knowing you
Speaker 5: don't drink, obviously did that.
Speaker 7: I am now a full blown drinker. I just never
Speaker 7: I've never heard of it. Also, you told me this
Speaker 7: is your second favorite film ever. So watching this like
Speaker 7: it was, I felt like a lot of pressure, like
Speaker 7: I had to love it straight away, you better love it.
Speaker 7: I watched with my wife and I did really, I
Speaker 7: really really enjoyed it. I don't like normally watching films
Speaker 7: with a lot of hype around it, you know, like
Speaker 7: when people are talking a lot about stuff.
Speaker 2: We had no hype for you so much.
Speaker 6: Oh god.
Speaker 7: But I watched and I really really liked it, especially
Speaker 7: because they're talking about wine the whole film. I thought
Speaker 7: I wouldn't be able to get in, but wine was
Speaker 7: almost like the excuse or just it was like the
Speaker 7: it allows you to talk about.
Speaker 6: The movie was about.
Speaker 7: Relationships and friendship absolutely and like having midlife crises and yeah, just.
Speaker 2: Like I want to get more into it. Very similar.
Speaker 2: I do want to.
Speaker 5: Circle back and talking about your three favorite films. A
Speaker 5: half of the Willow people got a good reaction. What
Speaker 5: a great film.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's hard to choose one of any of
Speaker 7: Tiger's films, but that was just just's just such a fun,
Speaker 7: fun movie.
Speaker 6: All the characters are hilarious and like that.
Speaker 7: Again, the underneath the cuma is some you know, some
Speaker 7: deep themes and I love films.
Speaker 6: I can do that.
Speaker 2: It's very funny. Restart, He's very funny.
Speaker 5: Neil Sam Neil and the kid who's now doing gellet ads.
Speaker 5: It's a it's weird when you see kids grow up
Speaker 5: and you've got manny for modern families.
Speaker 2: That got weird, didn't the great film? Great selection and
Speaker 2: your other.
Speaker 6: Four lines with the other one.
Speaker 2: Four lines you've seen? Yes, I watched it recently.
Speaker 5: In fact, when this goes out into the world this podcast,
Speaker 5: this episode we would have already spoke about Walid Ali
Speaker 5: has done the Star Wars trilogy and his avised over
Speaker 5: coming back to do Return of the Jedi was that
Speaker 5: I watched four lines, and we actually speak almost as
Speaker 5: much about.
Speaker 6: About spoiling that episode of the podcast. Did you enjoy it?
Speaker 2: I loved it? Okay, great, and I was being embarrassed
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen it. You've seen four lines? Anyone seen
Speaker 2: full lines? One person? Excellen. That's gonna sound the people
Speaker 2: here like movies. Any who looks movies.
Speaker 7: It's I feel like I'm always I was nervous about
Speaker 7: admitting that this is one of my favorite films because
Speaker 7: it's a movie about.
Speaker 6: Four would be suicide bullers. That's really funny.
Speaker 7: But the thing is it was written by a white guy,
Speaker 7: so you know, you guys, like it's kind of your
Speaker 7: fault as well.
Speaker 6: But it was.
Speaker 2: Mars More the day today.
Speaker 7: But if you watch it, like when Muslims watch it,
Speaker 7: like I think everyone's, oh, this is gonna be some
Speaker 7: cliche shit, but yeah, I was watching and oh my god,
Speaker 7: this is written by a Muslim. There's so many in
Speaker 7: jokes about community stuff that we say to each other
Speaker 7: about like white converts to Islam and how they're all
Speaker 7: like quite full on and just the humans really and sociologically,
Speaker 7: like if the the profile of a homegrown terrorist is
Speaker 7: depicted just almost scientifically, it's really it's yeah, it's if
Speaker 7: you want to understand how like homegrown terrorists become homegrown terrorists,
Speaker 7: watch four Lions.
Speaker 6: And then copy that. No, no, don't copy that, and
Speaker 6: then and bomb terrorists.
Speaker 2: I would have loved if somebody just walked into heat
Speaker 2: and there.
Speaker 5: So if you want to become a terrorist, just wow.
Speaker 5: This is a very different podcast and the wolf Walk, which.
Speaker 7: Is a scrolling around I was just on Rotten Tomatoes,
Speaker 7: just trying to search by highest rating and I found
Speaker 7: one with ninety eight percent critical review but also like
Speaker 7: ninety seven percent audience.
Speaker 6: I was like this better good and there was a
Speaker 6: lot of hype and I washed it.
Speaker 7: And it was a cartoon about some wolves that when
Speaker 7: they when some of them go to sleep.
Speaker 6: No, I'll start again. It's a girl. When you go
Speaker 6: to sleep, you become a wolf, and you can be
Speaker 6: a wolf when you're sleeping.
Speaker 7: You gotta watch it, man, do ione else walk? It's
Speaker 7: like based on Irish folklore and like, wait you see it?
Speaker 2: Where?
Speaker 6: Did I say it?
Speaker 7: In the lounge room in Hawthorne East?
Speaker 2: Is it on the streamers or is it the streamers?
Speaker 6: I've got all of them?
Speaker 2: Did you dream? This is a dream that you know?
Speaker 6: It's really good.
Speaker 7: It's a lot of Irish accents, which you know, objectively
Speaker 7: funnier than others, not as funny as the Srilanka or
Speaker 7: Indian acents.
Speaker 6: So that's that's great. You love those. There's like there's
Speaker 6: like English listen, guys, you gotta watch it because I
Speaker 6: can't describe it.
Speaker 2: No you can't.
Speaker 6: We just prove that this is going to be a
Speaker 6: really informative podcast.
Speaker 2: We'll check it out.
Speaker 5: We also have some help because I thought, because it's
Speaker 5: a movie about wine, why not get the man who
Speaker 5: is responsible?
Speaker 6: Did you say why not?
Speaker 3: Anyway, continue, I'm.
Speaker 5: Being funny without knowing it. Sometimes I stumble upon jokes.
Speaker 5: The man behind Grapes of Mirth is my oldest friend,
Speaker 5: like Merrick said, Actually he's probably I had friends before
Speaker 5: I met Merrick.
Speaker 2: It's actually sad that he didn't. Is my great mate.
Speaker 2: Please welcome to the mcmamie. I'm grapes of birth, Merrick,
Speaker 2: what I haven't seen? I'm not going to get it.
Speaker 2: This ketch is really comfortable and it's quite deep.
Speaker 5: You got to roll back into it, so I need
Speaker 5: to kind of I can't get back up, Mez. Thanks
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Speaker 3: It's great to be here. What a wonderful fiscal for them?
Speaker 1: What what a predictable dickhead I am.
Speaker 2: It is amazing. And thanks for putting me on first yesterday,
Speaker 2: because I.
Speaker 3: Should mention this.
Speaker 1: That is for the many years that we've done grape
Speaker 1: Simurtha is one hard and fast rule, which is Peter
Speaker 1: Hell here is always on in the first bracket.
Speaker 3: And the reason why is what Pete.
Speaker 7: I don't know why, but all I can see is
Speaker 7: that for the rest of the day. His face gets
Speaker 7: redder and redder.
Speaker 3: Is that the sun.
Speaker 2: We did? The first one I did, it was in.
Speaker 5: It was in South Australia at the big one. That's
Speaker 5: where we are, one of the other one of the
Speaker 5: claren Vale, McLaren Vale, McLaren Vale, maybe wherever. And I
Speaker 5: said to Marry, I said, mate, the only reason I'm
Speaker 5: here is to hang out with you and drink wine.
Speaker 2: Put me on fucking first. I was supposed to be
Speaker 2: on last, and thought I was. They've thought was supposed
Speaker 2: to be on before me. And he heard about he goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to get on in London as well. I'll
Speaker 2: put me on second. And then we worked out and
Speaker 2: Nats doesn't drink, so you putting Nas on last.
Speaker 6: That's for the last two days. I've been working non stuff.
Speaker 2: You're doing cooking.
Speaker 7: Yesterday I've been serving people food.
Speaker 1: The plan is for Nas to run Grapes of Mirth
Speaker 1: so I can clock on it at about eleven am.
Speaker 5: So in that spirit, let's get this podcast over and
Speaker 5: done with. No you've seen that you've seen sideways? Isn't
Speaker 5: it that you not having seen it before? Did you love it?
Speaker 3: I think it's a terrific film.
Speaker 6: I really do.
Speaker 3: I saw it.
Speaker 1: The first time I saw it, I was actually quite inspired,
Speaker 1: not so much to get into wine. I was like,
Speaker 1: I would say, a casual user of wine and other things.
Speaker 1: And but what I really I took away from sideways
Speaker 1: I loved I loved seeing wineries and wine country. It
Speaker 1: really I was like, I want to be in that region.
Speaker 1: I want to be in that kind of space. And
Speaker 1: that's one real inspiration took away. And that's why I
Speaker 1: like Grapes of Mert, because I like being in wine country.
Speaker 3: So it was the first thing.
Speaker 1: Then I saw it again about maybe a year or
Speaker 1: so ago, maybe two years ago, and I was like, Jesus,
Speaker 1: this is well written. This is such a good film.
Speaker 1: It's a great movie. And I saw it through a
Speaker 1: different lens.
Speaker 5: If anybody wants to get in the screenwriting, this is
Speaker 5: one of the plays you read.
Speaker 6: You reckon. This is like a perfect I think it's
Speaker 6: a perfect film, extreme play.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And it's one of these like because the things
Speaker 7: when you watch it, it doesn't strike you as like
Speaker 7: a typical like a Hollywood film or just a film
Speaker 7: that has like obvious peaks and troughs, like it's quite subtle.
Speaker 5: Alexander Payne is very good at casting his movies and
Speaker 5: not necessarily with big stars, and even those outside of
Speaker 5: the main characters are all usually regular people, sometimes even
Speaker 5: non actors, So there's a real realism with Alexander payne movies.
Speaker 5: One of the themes I love about the movie, I'm
Speaker 5: not sure if you picked up, was the amount of lying.
Speaker 5: This this movie is are pretty much about lying. They
Speaker 5: are friends and they are going away for the week
Speaker 5: because my Jack's getting married on the weekend and all
Speaker 5: he wants to do in the end, or Miles to do,
Speaker 5: He's have a glovely weekend, wine, good food, play some golf,
Speaker 5: perfect week and all all Jack wants to do is
Speaker 5: get laid before his wedding.
Speaker 2: He's a nice guy. And the line goes.
Speaker 5: I mean, the opening sequence of this is a masterclass
Speaker 5: as well, So you have it starts to have a
Speaker 5: black screen and knock on the door. Miles gets up.
Speaker 5: He's in his dressing gown. He's been told he has
Speaker 5: to move his car, which has been legally parked outside,
Speaker 5: so he's in his dressing gown. He's got neighbors watching
Speaker 5: him having to move the car, he drives it around
Speaker 5: the corner illegally, parks it around the corner again. And
Speaker 5: this beaten up sad because Miles is pretentious. He wants
Speaker 5: he wants to be a connoisse he wants his status.
Speaker 2: Yes, and he's.
Speaker 5: Got He's got a book, a manuscript that he's waiting
Speaker 5: to hear back whether it's gonna be published.
Speaker 4: Or or not.
Speaker 5: And then he comes in. He rushes back into the apartment.
Speaker 5: He sees on the microwave clock that it's like ten
Speaker 5: fifty four.
Speaker 2: He's laid.
Speaker 5: He goes fuck, jumps into the shower. The next thing
Speaker 5: you see he's having a shit doing the crossword, which.
Speaker 2: Is so like.
Speaker 6: I related that viscerally, because even when I'm late, I'm.
Speaker 7: Just like I just I just get distracted by fun
Speaker 7: literally anything.
Speaker 5: Well, then he stops and gets a New York Times
Speaker 5: and a spinish spinach croissant, and then when he arrives
Speaker 5: at Jackson's waiting for him, he says, sorry, I'm late.
Speaker 5: I it was bumping a bumper the whole way, and
Speaker 5: it just sets the time.
Speaker 2: We know everything about Miles that we need to know,
Speaker 2: and we're off.
Speaker 1: It's funny to say that because like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 3: It's about dishonesty.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, everyone is playing partly dishonestly, except
Speaker 1: for you know, the female characters.
Speaker 6: I've got that honestly.
Speaker 3: And that's the funny thing is.
Speaker 1: You know, there's an ancient saying which is in vino veritask,
Speaker 1: which literally translates is in wine lies of the truth.
Speaker 1: And I think that there's a really clever subtext to
Speaker 1: that that I've just figured out at this moment and
Speaker 1: look pretty.
Speaker 3: Pretty Yeah, I look pretty clever for it.
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna lie stumbled on that.
Speaker 7: They're lying to each other. They lie to all the
Speaker 7: other like they're two best friends going away. But it's
Speaker 7: kind of like I think they're just kind of trying
Speaker 7: to come to terms with who they are. They're putting
Speaker 7: our backs because I don't trust each other. So it's
Speaker 7: like a dishonesty, but I think it's also like being
Speaker 7: able to trust someone else.
Speaker 6: And by the end, you see some I don't know
Speaker 6: how much we're spoiling.
Speaker 5: We don't jump too far, and there are spoilers, but yeah,
Speaker 5: they certainly go on a journey. Yeah, and you've got
Speaker 5: Miles who is the wine kind of curtain and Jack,
Speaker 5: like probably a lot of us, he loves white. Like
Speaker 5: when I drink a wine, I can't tell you I
Speaker 5: can smell grapes, you know, like yeah.
Speaker 3: And you're right, yeah, And that's what's made.
Speaker 2: From my wife. My wife what we.
Speaker 5: Joke about, because I always say we're in company where
Speaker 5: people are being pretentious. This is my thing the whole time.
Speaker 5: I always say this, Oh yeah, there's.
Speaker 2: Big gun on there isn't there.
Speaker 1: Say this is like literally everybody I know in the
Speaker 1: wine world that was a lot going on.
Speaker 3: You'd fucking hope.
Speaker 2: No follow up questions.
Speaker 1: Otherwise you're having, right, bean, a tiger that all falls.
Speaker 6: Apart with a single follow up question.
Speaker 5: What Yeah, that's complexity.
Speaker 2: Structure.
Speaker 6: This is so true.
Speaker 2: Let's have it.
Speaker 5: Let's have a look at the scene where they go
Speaker 5: to their first tasting. I've actually been to some of
Speaker 5: these wineries in the Napa Valley in California studying. These
Speaker 5: are all done real wineries after with real people behind
Speaker 5: the counter. Uh, this is miles of Jack at the
Speaker 5: first wine tasting.
Speaker 9: Let me show you that this is done.
Speaker 10: The first thing, hould the glass up and examine the
Speaker 10: wine against the light.
Speaker 9: You're looking for color and clarity.
Speaker 10: Just get a sense of it. Okay, I'll go thick thin,
Speaker 10: lottery syrup. Okay, okay. Now what you're doing here is
Speaker 10: checking for color density as it finds out towards the rim.
Speaker 10: That's going to tell you how old it is, among
Speaker 10: other things. It's usually more important with reds. O. Stick
Speaker 10: your nose, man, don't be shy. Really, get your nose
Speaker 10: right in it.
Speaker 9: Really, m little citrus.
Speaker 11: Maybe some strawberry, passion fruit m h. And oh there's
Speaker 11: just like the faintest soussal of like asteragus.
Speaker 10: And there's a just a flutter of like a like
Speaker 10: a nutty eating cheese.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 9: M hm.
Speaker 4: Strawberries yeah, good, strawberries. Yeah, got the cheese.
Speaker 10: Put your glass down, get some get some air into it,
Speaker 10: oxygenating it opens it up and unlocks the eramas, the flavors.
Speaker 9: Very important. Smell again, that's what you do with every
Speaker 9: one of them.
Speaker 4: When do we drink? Now, how would you read this one, Miles?
Speaker 9: Well, usually they start you on the wine of learning disabilities.
Speaker 9: But this one is pretty damn good. This is the
Speaker 9: new one, right, Chris, just released about two months ago.
Speaker 9: Nice job, We like it.
Speaker 4: You could work in a wine storm, Miles, that'd be
Speaker 4: a good move.
Speaker 9: Are you chewing gum?
Speaker 6: That's a scene about the two of you.
Speaker 2: It's pretty close.
Speaker 5: It's pretty close, but it sums it up beautifully. I
Speaker 5: mean they he's the one got a serve and somehow
Speaker 5: their friend.
Speaker 2: Is a great line later on in the.
Speaker 5: Movie where it all goes pear shaped and and he
Speaker 5: says the mayor, I'm not Jack. Jack is my freshman
Speaker 5: freshman year roommate from San Diego State, And it just
Speaker 5: kind of sums up who they are. These guys haven't
Speaker 5: really chosen to be friends. They just got stuck together.
Speaker 7: I feel like that that friendship is like a lot
Speaker 7: of friendships. You know, I'm late thirties, but I feel
Speaker 7: like at this age, when I look around at my
Speaker 7: friends that I've had for a long time, I'm like,
Speaker 7: if I met you now, I probably wouldn't be your friend.
Speaker 6: I don't know what I mean, Like, you don't have
Speaker 6: common interest.
Speaker 7: You know, they're just friends because they've stuck around for
Speaker 7: a long time. Just because of the passage of time,
Speaker 7: I am now your friend for life.
Speaker 3: I think you're talking about wives or husbands.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't have a husband, and you know
Speaker 1: it works both ways that a conversation, I'm all.
Speaker 3: Right, ladies, there's probably more so for women. Actually, you're just.
Speaker 1: Going, yeah, it's going to take more effort to get
Speaker 1: rid of him.
Speaker 5: Some people say about this film that the characters are unlikable.
Speaker 5: I think they're complicated.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 5: I think Thomas Hayden Church's character is Jack because we
Speaker 5: know what he's doing about to get married on the weekend,
Speaker 5: and he's basically trying to get laid all week skirts.
Speaker 5: To be I'm like, it's a really don't underestimate the
Speaker 5: acting job at Thomas Hayden Church to make this character.
Speaker 2: It's likable, but more vaguely likable. To be honest, Actually,
Speaker 2: I think it's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I reckon there's a difference between the character
Speaker 1: and the actions.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: So Jack's character is likable but his actions are detestable,
Speaker 1: whereas Paul Jimmarty's character is utterly unlikable, but his heart
Speaker 1: is in the right place, so he's likable.
Speaker 3: His actions are more likable. Once again, I have named it.
Speaker 1: I'm just having this small epiphany of just how good
Speaker 1: I am in the head.
Speaker 6: Of you two.
Speaker 7: Who would be the Paul Jim Marty, who would be
Speaker 7: the really unlikable.
Speaker 2: Thomas Hayden Church.
Speaker 1: I mean there is a third option here in the
Speaker 1: zim I'm the wine now.
Speaker 5: I think what makes Paul Giamardi's carried a likable and
Speaker 5: any kind of character in any movie that you want
Speaker 5: to make likable, you need to make him good at something.
Speaker 5: And he's he's a slob, but he fucking knows his wine.
Speaker 5: And it's really impressive how much you know that. So
Speaker 5: anything in any movie, you need to have your protagonist
Speaker 5: to be good at something, whether it's good at robbing
Speaker 5: banks or good at caring for their family, whatever, you
Speaker 5: need to make them likable. And also he needs to
Speaker 5: have agency, which which will show a scene where they
Speaker 5: get to their the the windmill and we meet Maya
Speaker 5: who served them at the table, and then they they
Speaker 5: she joins him at the bar, and it's something important
Speaker 5: that happens that that Miles does.
Speaker 7: Kind of up until that point, he's this sort of
Speaker 7: guy who's just been pushed around, like he's come out
Speaker 7: of a divorce. It doesn't seem like it was his choosing.
Speaker 7: He can't talk to women, he's been pretty passive, pretty
Speaker 7: passive sort of yeah, you and see him driving.
Speaker 5: And one of the good things about this movie when
Speaker 5: you watch the scenes, when you go back and watch
Speaker 5: it is the eyework that the actors are doing often
Speaker 5: in scenes, and Thomas Aden Church does some great eye
Speaker 5: acting at this point. So this is my Porgiabardi knows her,
Speaker 5: he has he has a crush on her. Miles is
Speaker 5: trying to Jack's trying to set them up, and let's
Speaker 5: enjoy this scene.
Speaker 12: Hey, Gary highlighting this.
Speaker 4: You got it? That's all it knows. Guys, do you
Speaker 4: mind sure?
Speaker 9: Please let up? In fact, would you like to join us? Sure?
Speaker 4: So how's that book coming?
Speaker 3: Miles?
Speaker 12: I think you were almost finished with it the last
Speaker 12: time we talked.
Speaker 9: I finished it.
Speaker 12: Good for you.
Speaker 8: Wow, it's getting published. That's uh, that's actually where we're
Speaker 8: up for celebrating.
Speaker 12: Well, congratulations, that's fantastic.
Speaker 4: Cheers than Are you a writer too, No, Maya, I'm
Speaker 4: an actor.
Speaker 13: Really, what kind of stuff?
Speaker 4: There's a lot of TV.
Speaker 8: You know, used to be a regular in a couple
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Speaker 12: So what are you guys up to today?
Speaker 9: Oh, we're pretty wived, you know.
Speaker 10: I think we're just gonna go back to the motel
Speaker 10: and crash.
Speaker 12: Yeah. I guess it's kind of a long drive up here.
Speaker 9: What are you saying?
Speaker 2: The windmill?
Speaker 4: Windmill?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the important thing is that poor g Marty Miles
Speaker 2: asks her over. So that's what I mean.
Speaker 5: You need to have agency, You need to have the
Speaker 5: character actually take be active and not just fall into
Speaker 5: a romance if you want.
Speaker 6: But then he doesn't kind of close.
Speaker 5: He doesn't doesn't he doesn't close it because it's too
Speaker 5: early in the movie.
Speaker 6: So why is it?
Speaker 10: So?
Speaker 6: Why is that perfect?
Speaker 7: I don't get why it's a perfect movie because at
Speaker 7: that point, can you explain why this is a perfect movie?
Speaker 2: Because I fucking love it?
Speaker 12: Well?
Speaker 5: There, I mean, there are a whole bunch of elements
Speaker 5: that makes I think Sideways a perfect movie.
Speaker 2: The choices all choice here now.
Speaker 7: By the way, sorry to try to tell the audience
Speaker 7: at home that you're standing up and raged.
Speaker 5: I'm standing over in the scene with my fists clenched.
Speaker 5: If you're listening now, I any movie is a series
Speaker 5: of choices made by a director who has a large
Speaker 5: team working under them, and everything is every scene, nothing
Speaker 5: is wasted, Everything is there for a reason, and that's
Speaker 5: what makes it I think of perfect sat And also
Speaker 5: the little changes are kind of unique.
Speaker 2: Usually there's a scene where they're.
Speaker 5: At Loggerheads and and they're having a fight Jack and Miles,
Speaker 5: and the thing that puts them back on the same
Speaker 5: page as a golf ball. They're playing golf and somebody
Speaker 5: hits a golf ball into them. You know, it doesn't
Speaker 5: hit them, but close enough to and that changes a little.
Speaker 5: There's a scene where Thomas Hayden Churchill which I was
Speaker 5: seeing Assume, where we meet Stephanie and Thomas Hayden church
Speaker 5: has gone off and basically having sex with Stephanie and
Speaker 5: spending all this time with Stephanie and Paul G. Marty's
Speaker 5: by himself, and he goes into a service station and
Speaker 5: he orders some chips or something and a copy of
Speaker 5: Barely Legal It's magazine.
Speaker 2: And then the.
Speaker 5: Person be on the kund of goes over and gets
Speaker 5: the magazine and then he goes, no, no, the latest one.
Speaker 5: He's so he's a connoisseur, even porn. He goes back
Speaker 5: and he reads, he reads me. He's reading glasses Barely
Speaker 5: Legal over a glass of wine. And then he falls
Speaker 5: asleep and there's a shot of him and the Barely
Speaker 5: Legal magazine just slides off his chest and he go
Speaker 5: and he wakes up and he decides, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 5: gonna get you go go see Maya.
Speaker 2: And it's just it's all those subtle it's subtle.
Speaker 6: They're not big motivating its events.
Speaker 5: Usually most movies have a big, a big event that
Speaker 5: will change your carriage motivation. But Sideways does it in
Speaker 5: subtle shifts. Because that looks out of pain. I think
Speaker 5: understands life really well. That we know that sometimes you
Speaker 5: just have a nap and you wake up refreshed, and.
Speaker 7: You feel like guilty and dirty after a nap, So suddle.
Speaker 3: No, you don't dare That depends on what sort of
Speaker 3: nap you heavy, ma?
Speaker 2: Do you have a subscription for barely legal?
Speaker 3: And if you're having a nap with your hand, maybe, but.
Speaker 1: If you're just having the old hand naps old hand us,
Speaker 1: you have a nap on the hand and then a
Speaker 1: nap with that hand.
Speaker 6: So subtle, subtle.
Speaker 7: Little things that change the character and push them in
Speaker 7: different directions.
Speaker 5: Subtle like that, that's one of them. That's one of them.
Speaker 5: And then he goes again. He has agency. He goes
Speaker 5: to meet Maya and he's really confident he's had a shower,
Speaker 5: but she's not there.
Speaker 2: He gets drunk, and you could get rid of that scene,
Speaker 2: to be honest.
Speaker 5: But it does show the reason it's there is because
Speaker 5: we want to see Miles try.
Speaker 7: The characters have to be trying. They be like a
Speaker 7: scene where he's just body me out. We just want
Speaker 7: to see him.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing.
Speaker 5: We have to put our characters at rock bottom and
Speaker 5: we'll get to a scene where.
Speaker 6: Do you like do you relate to this?
Speaker 7: Because I really liked it and I really want it
Speaker 7: to be my top three.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be, mate.
Speaker 6: I'm really trying. That's what I'm trying to I mean it.
Speaker 2: Sounds better than Wolfwalkers, to be honest.
Speaker 6: Okay, you need to watch it. Just imagine you go
Speaker 6: to sleep and then you become a wolf.
Speaker 5: I mean, okay, let's not go back to it the
Speaker 5: cann of Worms.
Speaker 3: I was hoping to avoid that one.
Speaker 6: But do you relate to this viscerally because you're a
Speaker 6: bit older than me.
Speaker 2: But it is about by six months.
Speaker 6: But it's kind of about like, don't you make two people.
Speaker 7: Best for it's their last chance to have this kind
Speaker 7: of boys trip. A guy who's about to get married,
Speaker 7: he feels he just wants to leave his It's kind
Speaker 7: of about a midlife crist Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Glenn Robbins was on the podcast.
Speaker 5: He did one flu over cook his nest and but
Speaker 5: one of his three favorite films of Sideways, and he
Speaker 5: said he loves it because he thinks Jack and Miles
Speaker 5: represent both sides of himself. Yeah, which which I thought
Speaker 5: was interesting. So maybe there's something. It's about choices.
Speaker 1: It all comes down to choices and the character development
Speaker 1: and the way the characters developed, like they actually do.
Speaker 1: Paul gim Marty's character develops your own peat very slowly.
Speaker 1: There's no massive shift, but it's not reliant on any
Speaker 1: trickery or outside influences. It's just down to the characters
Speaker 1: and where they are, and the setting is that you know,
Speaker 1: there's no like, you know, special effects of any type required.
Speaker 2: This movie doesn't spoonfeed you either.
Speaker 5: There's details and he like, you could almost miss a
Speaker 5: detail when they go out for dinner with the Maya
Speaker 5: and Stephanie as a double date, and Borgia's character he
Speaker 5: goes and drunk dials his ex wife, and there's a
Speaker 5: detail when he comes back that it's easy to miss
Speaker 5: where he says Jack saying to him, don't forget how
Speaker 5: shit your marriage was, how small she made you feel.
Speaker 5: That's why you cheated on her, and he says, fuck off,
Speaker 5: don't go there.
Speaker 2: But it's it's a detail that I mean.
Speaker 5: Chris Columbus, the director, said that this movie feels like
Speaker 5: a seventies movie made in contemporary times. And I think
Speaker 5: what he means is this movie they don't they're not
Speaker 5: they're not trying to make the characters so lovable.
Speaker 2: They're complex, they're quite rare, they're very real.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it almost like doesn't tonally like, it doesn't.
Speaker 7: It doesn't feel like other movies you watch where there's
Speaker 7: even like music, like the music was very stiled. Everything
Speaker 7: about it was very It was almost like an exploration
Speaker 7: of the individually just figuring out themselves. And yeah there again,
Speaker 7: it's nothing huge that turns them to sort of come
Speaker 7: to that self actualization.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's all very subtle.
Speaker 7: And you know, I feel like I'm probably walking towards
Speaker 7: a midlife crisis.
Speaker 6: And it's almost like I feel like something that I need.
Speaker 3: Get on board one day now, Like this is I'm
Speaker 3: having one on the stage.
Speaker 6: So this is your Mercedes.
Speaker 1: If I say this all the time, if I get worried,
Speaker 1: if I'm not in a midlife crisis, something is going wrong.
Speaker 6: If I'm not at a current crisis. Is that what
Speaker 6: you did?
Speaker 1: Essays strong Mate is like that is like in terms
Speaker 1: of my midlife crisis, that's just one of many to
Speaker 1: come and it's inspired me to have more, if anything,
Speaker 1: So get on board, don't avoid them, embrace the midlife crisis.
Speaker 5: Let's have a look at when the women are fantastic,
Speaker 5: Sandra and Virginia mads. This is a scene where they
Speaker 5: meet Stephanie who works at one of the wineries, and
Speaker 5: she plays it perfectly she's flirting with Thomas Haden Church's
Speaker 5: floating back but keeping Miles happy as well.
Speaker 4: Sorry, now there's a girl that knows how to pour.
Speaker 11: What's your name, Stephanie, Stephanie nice?
Speaker 2: So what do you think?
Speaker 9: Possible? But far from transcendent? I like it.
Speaker 4: It's great, open gaberdine, Frank.
Speaker 9: This is only the fifth year we've made this variety.
Speaker 8: Very few wineries around here do a straight cab from
Speaker 8: It's from.
Speaker 4: Our vineyards up in Santa Maria and it was a
Speaker 4: silver medal winner at pastle Robles last year.
Speaker 9: Well, I will tell you something.
Speaker 10: I come never to expect greatness from a cad, Frank,
Speaker 10: and this one is no different. It's kind of all flabby, overripe.
Speaker 4: It tastes pretty good to me. So do you live
Speaker 4: around here, Stephanie, Yeah, up around Los Almas.
Speaker 9: I agree with you.
Speaker 4: Buck out, Frank. We're just over and vieweled.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, do you have any know a gown named Maya?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 9: Sure, yeah, I know Maya?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah. We had a drink with her last night,
Speaker 4: Miles knows.
Speaker 9: Can we move on to the Sarah place?
Speaker 4: Jumping at the ben huh? Sure?
Speaker 9: This is our estate?
Speaker 4: Surah? You are a bad, bad girl, Stephanie.
Speaker 2: I know I need to be spanked, So it's great.
Speaker 2: So that starts a relationship.
Speaker 5: Between Stephanie and and and Maya, and he just goes off.
Speaker 5: He basically spends the whole week with Maya. He he
Speaker 5: gets boy excited about wine. He thinks Stephanie's actually teaching
Speaker 5: him about wine, which kind of rubs salt into the
Speaker 5: wounds of Jack.
Speaker 6: I don't know where he thinks. That whole relationship is going.
Speaker 6: Like the whole time I'm watching that, I'm like.
Speaker 7: So this guy's so. I just wanted to yell at
Speaker 7: the screen, like why this is why.
Speaker 6: Of a friend.
Speaker 7: I had a friend who converted Islam, and I think
Speaker 7: you converted because he was like, you can have as
Speaker 7: many wives as you are anyway, So he went to
Speaker 7: Indonesia and he had his wife. He brought his wife there,
Speaker 7: and then he started teaching English to Indonesian students over there,
Speaker 7: and so he married one of his students who was
Speaker 7: an adult. But then he convinced this new student that
Speaker 7: his first wife knew about him being the second wife.
Speaker 7: And so we got the second wife to call his
Speaker 7: first wife saying, oh yeah, she's cool.
Speaker 6: With a caller, and he.
Speaker 7: Told his first wife, Oh, this this new girl wants
Speaker 7: to practice English with you, and so I just want
Speaker 7: you to She's just a student of mine. And so
Speaker 7: they call each other and I was like, mate, how
Speaker 7: did you not know this was going to go tits up?
Speaker 6: Two calls in she was like, I marry your husband.
Speaker 6: I am wife number two. And you know, point is
Speaker 6: that's how I felt watching this. So I was like,
Speaker 6: as if it's not going to come out that he's
Speaker 6: engaged in getting married in a week.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like watching a car accident in Sloman, which
Speaker 5: is great.
Speaker 2: And do you are we not in real life? That's
Speaker 2: why we have.
Speaker 5: Movies, so we can watch other people's paying and tragedy.
Speaker 6: That's a really weird hobby of yours, doy YouTube.
Speaker 5: I'd just set up a camera, wait for the accident,
Speaker 5: and then watch it in slow motion.
Speaker 2: It's good fun. No, the yeah really through. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: wanted you to go back the Woolfwalkers for a second. There.
Speaker 2: We're going to wrap up reason me soon, but I.
Speaker 5: Wanted this is one of my favorite scenes in movies ever.
Speaker 2: There's two parts to it. Okay, and this is if.
Speaker 5: You're writing screenplays, subtext is a very powerful thing. We
Speaker 5: don't want to tell the audience what to think or
Speaker 5: what to expect.
Speaker 2: So this is this is poor g Marty and Mayer.
Speaker 5: They've gone back Stephanie and Jack having sex in another
Speaker 5: room and they're actually connecting. And Maya asked the question
Speaker 5: of Miles, why do you love Pinot so much?
Speaker 2: And he gives a really fascinating response.
Speaker 9: Why are you so into Pino? I mean, it's like
Speaker 9: a thing with you. I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 10: It's a hard grape to grow, as you know, right,
Speaker 10: so it's thin skin, temperamental, ripens early. It's you know,
Speaker 10: it's not a survivor like cabernet, which can just grow
Speaker 10: anywhere and thrive even when it's neglected. The pino needs
Speaker 10: constant care and attention, you know. And in fact, it
Speaker 10: can only grow in these really specific, little tucked away
Speaker 10: corners of the world, and only the most patient and
Speaker 10: nurturing of growers can do it. Really, only somebody really
Speaker 10: takes the time to understand Pino's potential can then coax
Speaker 10: it into its fullest expression. It then, I mean, oh,
Speaker 10: it's flavors, they're just the most haunting and brilliant and
Speaker 10: thrilling and subtle on.
Speaker 9: Ancient on the planet.
Speaker 5: So the beautiful thing about that scene is most people think,
Speaker 5: and I tend to agree, he's actually talking about himself,
Speaker 5: that he needs somebody who has the patience to see him.
Speaker 5: But I also think, watching it again this week, and
Speaker 5: I would have seen this movie probably thirty times, that
Speaker 5: he's actually also potentially talking about marriage. That for a
Speaker 5: marriage to work, because both these characters have been divorced,
Speaker 5: and for a marriage to work, it needs all these
Speaker 5: things to go into it to make it work. So
Speaker 5: it's a beautiful scene. And then Maya responds, and I
Speaker 5: think she's potentially talking more about life, but her response
Speaker 5: is starting with a great poor g Mardi tag.
Speaker 2: At the end, I like to.
Speaker 12: Think about what was going on the year the grapes
Speaker 12: were growing, how the sun was shining, if it rained.
Speaker 12: I like to think about all the people who tended
Speaker 12: and picked the grapes, and if it's an old wine,
Speaker 12: how many of them must be dead by now. I
Speaker 12: like how wine continues to evolve, Like if I opened
Speaker 12: a bottle of wine today, it would taste different than
Speaker 12: if I'd opened it on any other day, because a
Speaker 12: bottle of wine is actually alive, and it's constantly evolving
Speaker 12: and gaining complexity. That is, until it peaks like you're
Speaker 12: sixty one, and then it begins its steady, inevitable decline,
Speaker 12: and it tastes.
Speaker 3: So fucking good.
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, I I like other ones besides peanuts too.
Speaker 9: I don't know, I mean, really the reaslings, you like
Speaker 9: raaslings reaslings.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 6: In the back, yes, to the kitchen.
Speaker 2: I remember at a school formal in year ten.
Speaker 5: I was in a school gym at that and they
Speaker 5: bring a sister kind of school, and there was a
Speaker 5: girl there and I fell in love with her that night,
Speaker 5: and she was wearing a Cue T shirt and I thought, so,
Speaker 5: I thought that made her cool and and all my
Speaker 5: friends were like getting on with you know, girls against
Speaker 5: the wall like all around here, and I'm just kind
Speaker 5: of there and she comes up to me and she goes,
Speaker 5: so you want to, like, you know, you want to
Speaker 5: pick up tonight? And I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 5: guess that'd be cool. And she grabbed me by the
Speaker 5: lapels and she looked at me in the eyes, said
Speaker 5: we should help each other out.
Speaker 2: And I went, yeah, we should totally help each other out.
Speaker 5: And I went to the bathroom and I splashed water
Speaker 5: on my face. Is the only time I've ever done this,
Speaker 5: and I was, come on, I gave myself the g
Speaker 5: Marty speech that he gives himself, and I go, fucking
Speaker 5: grow up, go back there, finish this deal. And I
Speaker 5: went back out there and she was pashing, Dean prying. Ah,
Speaker 5: So this one burnt a little deep.
Speaker 1: That scene, Like that scene is hard to watch because
Speaker 1: you see the she's talking about life, right, She's talking
Speaker 1: about the growth and the evolution and how you know
Speaker 1: when you get older, you become wiser and richer and
Speaker 1: you have more to offer.
Speaker 3: And it's a beautiful story.
Speaker 1: And then he and he's already shared so much and
Speaker 1: then he finds a way to cock block himself.
Speaker 3: That's what he's done, Like he doesn't need anybody. This
Speaker 3: stupidy is now, I'll do this. I've got this one.
Speaker 3: Oh cock block myself out of this occasion.
Speaker 6: And it's like it's it's this.
Speaker 7: There's a book called The Silent Close, Like you're basically
Speaker 7: you're going if you're negotiating for a car or anyth
Speaker 7: I'm not saying women are property. But you know, basically,
Speaker 7: once you've done your spiel, you're then supposed to just
Speaker 7: shut up and not say anything, and then the deal
Speaker 7: is done. He could have just not said anything and
Speaker 7: the movie would have been over.
Speaker 2: Just repeating them there does not believe women are property.
Speaker 5: This podcast also reaffirms that belief.
Speaker 2: What's really nice about this scene as well.
Speaker 5: They do kiss, but May thinks that he's drunk, so
Speaker 5: they they go. There's not drunk driving in this this movie.
Speaker 5: They go their separate ways, but before they got to
Speaker 5: she drives off.
Speaker 2: He asks, do you still want to read my book?
Speaker 5: Because he's an artist and we're all ego egotistical, and
Speaker 5: so he gets out a box about this big it's
Speaker 5: a manuscript, and he gives her one, and then she
Speaker 5: thanks him and he goes, oh, there's one more, gives
Speaker 5: him another box. It plays as a really good gag,
Speaker 5: but it's a good I love a joke in the
Speaker 5: movie that then actually is there for a reason they play.
Speaker 2: It pays off later in the film. We do have
Speaker 2: to kind of get through. We won't be able.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to do the ending because I feel
Speaker 5: like there's a lot of people here tonight today who
Speaker 5: have not seen the movie, And I don't want to
Speaker 5: spoiler because it is a beautiful experience. He refers to
Speaker 5: a bottle, a sixty one Chevelle or something like that.
Speaker 3: It's a burgundy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's a blend of grape. Funnily enough, if
Speaker 5: a cab Frank and a Merlow, which is almost it's
Speaker 5: always an in joke because he bags Merlow and cap
Speaker 5: Frank about the movie. But when you have a special bottle,
Speaker 5: what should you eat? We your special bottle? Mez it depends.
Speaker 1: It depends on the wine like something like that.
Speaker 2: But you have like a fancy so you wait for
Speaker 2: a fancy meal.
Speaker 5: Mayo makes the great point the special occasion because he's
Speaker 5: waiting for the special occasion especial where he's ten year
Speaker 5: anniversary wedding annivers who's going to open it? So naw,
Speaker 5: he's waiting for another special occasion. And she says, the
Speaker 5: special occasion is when you open that bottle.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent.
Speaker 1: It is like, I mean, that is a really good call,
Speaker 1: and that's actually how I live by it.
Speaker 3: I actually will often look.
Speaker 1: At getting the wine first and then matching the food
Speaker 1: at home, right but also too, I like to do
Speaker 1: this thing, which is I find the best bottles that
Speaker 1: I've put away over the last twenty odd years that
Speaker 1: I've been putting wine away, and I make the occasion
Speaker 1: with the wine. I'll go and get a twenty year
Speaker 1: old wine and something ballsy, like something big, usually from
Speaker 1: the Brasso, because it will carry that long. And I'll
Speaker 1: go and get a wine that is now worth a
Speaker 1: lot of money, and I will sit down with one
Speaker 1: of the biggest fuckheads I can find one of my mates,
Speaker 1: and just open it up.
Speaker 3: And watch the footy. That's I'm not even joking.
Speaker 1: Some of the biggest lines I've ever drunk has just
Speaker 1: been watching Colin.
Speaker 3: Would play football haha and smashing it. Well, I live Graine,
Speaker 3: and everyone goes, are you insane?
Speaker 1: And I go, I am now, But I was barracking
Speaker 1: for Colinwood before that, so I think it does. I
Speaker 1: think the wine makes the occasion. And you know, particularly
Speaker 1: if you've got a sentimental wine, you put a wine
Speaker 1: away because you know it meant something to you and
Speaker 1: your partner just pull it out unexpectedly and open it
Speaker 1: and will make it better than the expectation that you
Speaker 1: build that you're matching it to the food, the expectation
Speaker 1: that you're matching it to the occasion, make the occasion
Speaker 1: by just opening it randomly, get it and surprise people.
Speaker 1: It blows people's minds and it makes for a great day.
Speaker 5: Because there are some people who watched the scene where
Speaker 5: he does finally open the wine and feel like it's
Speaker 5: a sad scene. Yeah, but I actually, to be honest,
Speaker 5: I think he's actually enjoying it. He's actually doing it
Speaker 5: of his own, on his own wind.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, it's it's an interesting things.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty old one, but it's it's the I
Speaker 1: think the expectation. It's about the expectation of whether or
Speaker 1: not it will be met.
Speaker 7: And like goodluck life philosophy, you just don't know if
Speaker 7: you're going to die in a couple of.
Speaker 1: It's it do I say to people, don't you know,
Speaker 1: don't build it up, Just drink it, just like with
Speaker 1: everything with wine, just get it in your face and
Speaker 1: if you like, if you like it, put more in
Speaker 1: your face.
Speaker 6: As simple as that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, But.
Speaker 1: I think I'm playing to a safe crowd when I
Speaker 1: say that.
Speaker 5: One more thing, and this is we talk about pretty
Speaker 5: our characters of rock Bottom. So Miles gets pummeled twice
Speaker 5: in this movie. One that his ex wife is now
Speaker 5: seeing somebody and he's bringing that date to the wedding,
Speaker 5: and two that his publisher calls him and his novel
Speaker 5: is not getting published. He goes back into the tasting
Speaker 5: the cellar door and something that we hope doesn't happen
Speaker 5: this week at Grapes of Mirth.
Speaker 6: Excuse me, there's a special in the surah by the case.
Speaker 9: Hit me again? Excuse me? Could you just pour me
Speaker 9: a full glass? I'll pay for it? Okay, sir, this
Speaker 9: is a winery bar. Oh just give me a full
Speaker 9: goddamn poor.
Speaker 4: Excuse me?
Speaker 11: Howlet you buy a bottle and go on?
Speaker 1: Sorry?
Speaker 9: What are you doing? Told you I need a drink,
Speaker 9: So I'm gonna help myself. Okay, I help you.
Speaker 13: The Okay, okay, Wow.
Speaker 5: If any comedian was to do that this weekend, Merrick
Speaker 5: would be me or Judith Lucy.
Speaker 1: Very there is the.
Speaker 3: Third option again, though.
Speaker 1: Look, I can honestly tell you, like when I've done
Speaker 1: some wine judge. I was fortunate enough that I was
Speaker 1: a judge here for the Brass of Wine Show just recently,
Speaker 1: and I can tell you that a spittoon is not transparent.
Speaker 6: For a reason.
Speaker 1: It is thirty times grosser than that would look. It
Speaker 1: is just the worst food and corn there. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: there's teeth. Sometimes the pension has come along.
Speaker 3: And they don't know what they're doing. There we go,
Speaker 3: it's in.
Speaker 6: The pot nutritious.
Speaker 1: It's not a healthy scene. So when I when I
Speaker 1: said that, I take full cringe. Have you said that
Speaker 1: I would drink it?
Speaker 2: There is so much more we could discuss it. I said,
Speaker 2: I don't want to get to the.
Speaker 5: End because I want you guys to go away and
Speaker 5: watch Sideways with great fresh well at least the ending
Speaker 5: with fresh eyes. It's a beautiful ending, I think, and
Speaker 5: I think you really enjoy I got some fun facts
Speaker 5: before we go.
Speaker 2: There's a scene where there's.
Speaker 5: A Jack has had sex with his waitress, just when
Speaker 5: you think he's spoken up his step and she's found
Speaker 5: out the truth.
Speaker 2: Everything's pair of shape. He sees a waitress at a.
Speaker 5: Like a Thank God It's Friday kind of restaurant and
Speaker 5: he ends up going home and sleeping with her, but
Speaker 5: he leaves his wallet behind, so g Mantey has to
Speaker 5: go back and it ends with this massive nude guy
Speaker 5: is running a fully all fronted nude running after GM
Speaker 5: Marty at the window of his penis.
Speaker 2: His flaccid penis is right, there's horror.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a horror film then, and and they had
Speaker 5: to close off that street and they paid neighbors to
Speaker 5: stay inside. Well, they shot that seat and that house
Speaker 5: was a crack then that had been shut down by
Speaker 5: the police, and that it was available for like a week,
Speaker 5: so they shot it in that house.
Speaker 2: There's a sequel called Vertical.
Speaker 5: Which Alexander Paint has no interest in doing a sequel,
Speaker 5: where Miles actually writes a best seller. There's a scene
Speaker 5: where he go to go to his mother's house and
Speaker 5: he only goes to his house, Miles house, to steal
Speaker 5: some money, and he looks at some photos of his
Speaker 5: wedding and then him with his dad. That's Paul gim
Speaker 5: Marty's real dad in that. And George Clooney wanted the
Speaker 5: campaign to play Miles and Alexander Paine said no, but
Speaker 5: then cast him in his next film, The Descendants. So
Speaker 5: there are some fun facts to end on this. This
Speaker 5: podcast comes with homework and Zee, who's saying thank you
Speaker 5: so much.
Speaker 6: It's brilliant. It's definitely my top five favorite films.
Speaker 2: Yep is it number four? Like a wolf Walker is
Speaker 2: still not He's still there? You know.
Speaker 7: It's after the response I got today pretty shaky actually
Speaker 7: at number three.
Speaker 5: So for those who haven't checked out of the podcast, I
Speaker 5: hope you do check it out.
Speaker 2: We've done one hundred episodes.
Speaker 5: Todd Sampson watched the Shawshaking re entry for the first time.
Speaker 5: Recently Lit McGregor has done on all the Godfather films,
Speaker 5: Tony Martin.
Speaker 2: What's top Gun?
Speaker 5: For the very first time for this podcast, Silly Pacola,
Speaker 5: Jaws Robe, They're gone with the wind. There's a whole
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Speaker 5: our guests. My guest today but you ain't seen nothing
Speaker 5: again the zem who's saying?
Speaker 2: And Merrick Watts. Thank you to sabus Field. Now let's
Speaker 2: get pissed.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, classy stuff, helly you, classy stuff right to
Speaker 5: the end. A big thank you to everyone at Grapes
Speaker 5: of Mirth. What a fantastic two days that was. Follow
Speaker 5: them at Grapes of Mirth on Instagram and they may
Speaker 5: be coming to a winery in your state or territory
Speaker 5: that you can get to. They are fantastic days. Merrick
Speaker 5: Watts is doing an incredible job at creating something really
Speaker 5: fun and fresh and original, combining wine and comedy and
Speaker 5: now movies. I guess with you see nothing yet appearing
Speaker 5: there such a fun experience thanks to the zine Hussein
Speaker 5: another grape made of mine. Thank you for watching Sideways, mate,
Speaker 5: and yeah, I love you and thank you so much.
Speaker 5: I just want to kind of continue on a little
Speaker 5: bit from Sideways because it dawned on me as I
Speaker 5: looked out to the crowd and I asked how many
Speaker 5: people had seen Sideways.
Speaker 2: There weren't as many hands.
Speaker 5: As I had perhaps anticipated, because obviously it's your choice
Speaker 5: when you listen to these episodes, and some people like
Speaker 5: to watch the movie and then watch the episode.
Speaker 2: I've had a surprisingly amount of people.
Speaker 5: Say to me they listened to the Pocket cast first
Speaker 5: and then decide whether they watch the movie or not
Speaker 5: if they haven't seen that particular movie, which, yeah, I
Speaker 5: don't know. I'm not sure that if I should be
Speaker 5: shocked by that or just take it as a compliment,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But you do what you want to do. But in
Speaker 2: the life.
Speaker 5: Scenario when there's people in front of you, like three
Speaker 5: hundred people in front of you. I didn't want to
Speaker 5: ruin the ending for one of my all time favorite films.
Speaker 5: And I could see there were people who maybe hadn't
Speaker 5: seen Sideways based on the clips that we had shown
Speaker 5: and the discussions that we had that were like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm definitely going to check this out. A few people
Speaker 5: got in touch and said they watched Sideways as soon
Speaker 5: as they got home from this festival.
Speaker 2: So I just want to do a touch.
Speaker 5: On one of the things I really love about the
Speaker 5: ending of Sideways. First of all, Paul Gmarty's performance at
Speaker 5: the church when he is introduced to his ex wife's
Speaker 5: husband and he is gallant, He puts on a brave face,
Speaker 5: he keeps up appearances, and then he barely holds it
Speaker 5: together when they say they are expecting a child. And
Speaker 5: it is a little acting master class from Paul Gmmarti.
Speaker 5: It is just it's so brilliant. And he goes and
Speaker 5: then he goes, he goes home. We don't know why
Speaker 5: he's going home, and he gets that bottle of wine
Speaker 5: bottle from sixty one the tryout, and he goes just
Speaker 5: to a restaurant and he drinks it in a styrophone
Speaker 5: cup with I think some klamari and some fries. Now
Speaker 5: I've heard different you know this discussions with people. But
Speaker 5: some people think it's really sad. I don't think it's
Speaker 5: sad because I think the point is, as Maya said
Speaker 5: to him, when you open the bottle of sixty one,
Speaker 5: that's the special moment. So he doesn't need to wait
Speaker 5: for a ten year anniversary. He's having it by himself.
Speaker 5: He's enjoying it with some klamari, And yeah, I don't
Speaker 5: find that sad at all. And one of the things
Speaker 5: I love about Alexander Payne is everything is there for
Speaker 5: a reason, even though it might just seem like a
Speaker 5: joke or you know, a set piece. Everything. There's no wastage.
Speaker 5: It's so economical. And we go back to that speech
Speaker 5: they make about Pino and why they love wine, and
Speaker 5: there's a great moment.
Speaker 2: Obviously they kiss.
Speaker 5: Mayo thinks, okay, this is probably the moment's gone and
Speaker 5: they leave and they stop in the driveway and Paul
Speaker 5: g Marti get Miles gets out. He says, do you
Speaker 5: still want to read my manuscript? Which I find inherently
Speaker 5: funny anyway, and then he produces this box, which is
Speaker 5: kind of funny because there's a big box. It's not
Speaker 5: just you know, a bulldog clipped manuscript, it's a box
Speaker 5: of papers. And then she's a bit surprised, and then
Speaker 5: he gets at another box out and she accepts it.
Speaker 5: She's lovely, and why that's important. One, it's funny, it's
Speaker 5: really funny. But then later on, when that message is
Speaker 5: left on the answering machine and she's actually read it,
Speaker 5: even though Miles put her through all this other stuff,
Speaker 5: she read that monster of a manuscript. And then we
Speaker 5: think back to that beautiful speech about Pino and when
Speaker 5: he says Pino takes patience. You need somebody who truly
Speaker 5: takes the time to see its potential. And that's what
Speaker 5: Maya has done. And that's why Alexander Payne is a genius.
Speaker 5: And that's why Sideways is one of my three favorite films.
Speaker 2: Derek Minds, what do you think about you've seen Sideways?
Speaker 2: You love Sideways?
Speaker 14: I saw it years and years ago and I did
Speaker 14: love it. I really loved that. I didn't expect too
Speaker 14: because not a whiny guy. Yeah, yeah, my wife might disagree,
Speaker 14: but it did frighten me even more. Right about wine
Speaker 14: wine people already scared of him, and that whole concept
Speaker 14: of being not allowed to have Merlow just stuck with me.
Speaker 2: What was funny? I love showing the scenes to the people.
Speaker 5: In the in the in the winery and then then
Speaker 5: then laughing out loud at some of those scenes that
Speaker 5: I've loved so much.
Speaker 2: Was really was really lovely. Mate.
Speaker 5: We are sadly today I do need to head off,
Speaker 5: so we were going to play for you speak past. We
Speaker 5: are running a bit behind on them. I've been shooting
Speaker 5: some things recently, so it's been a bit of a
Speaker 5: jigsaw puzzle. Derek has done a great job with stitchings
Speaker 5: shows together.
Speaker 2: But we'll keep your speak pipes coming. We love hearing
Speaker 2: your voices. We've got some really lovely and great ones
Speaker 2: that I really do want to play and get to.
Speaker 2: Just run out of time to do it this week.
Speaker 2: So again, thanks Mark, thanks to Zeem, Thanks Derek.
Speaker 5: Next week on the show this I'm looking forward to
Speaker 5: the one and the only Josh Lawson. Yes, writer, actor, director,
Speaker 5: just all around funny bloke, lovely bloke.
Speaker 2: Josh Lawson is joining me.
Speaker 5: He's been largely based in the States of late He's
Speaker 5: back home for a bit, so I cannot wait the
Speaker 5: chapter and catch up. Just hang out with Josh. I
Speaker 5: really love any time we get the hang out together,
Speaker 5: and he will be watching a film that I'm not
Speaker 5: sure how many of our audience would have seen. I
Speaker 5: certainly know not all of you would have seen it.
Speaker 5: I hadn't seen it. From nineteen seventy two, directed by
Speaker 5: Peter Bogdanovich, with one of the great casts of all time,
Speaker 5: Young Jeff Bridges, Timothy Bottoms, Sybil Shepherd, Alan Burston, Eileen Brennan,
Speaker 5: Cloris Leachman wins the Oscar Best Supporting Actress. Ben Johnson
Speaker 5: wins the Best Supporting Actor in it. He's got Randy
Speaker 5: Quaid in his film debut. It is a Big Slice
Speaker 5: of Americana from nineteen seventy two, The Last Picture Show.
Speaker 5: If you haven't seen it, check it out.
Speaker 2: It is. It's a slow burns.
Speaker 5: I don't want to say too much, so watch it
Speaker 5: when you are feeling patient. But I think it's a
Speaker 5: journey worth taking. I think it's a cracker. The Last
Speaker 5: Picture Show next week with my mate Josh Lawson. Until then,
Speaker 5: Bye and so we leave old Pete Steve Vans, and
Speaker 5: to our friends of the radio audience we had been
Speaker 5: a present.
Speaker 2: Good Night,