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Speaker 1: We know the opposition and the Independent member Kesier Puric

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Speaker 1: yesterday pushed for the Select Committee to go ahead looking

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Speaker 1: into the police force. Now, as you heard from the

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Speaker 1: Police Minister Kate Warden on the show yesterday, she reckons

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Speaker 1: the is a review into the financials and also the

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Speaker 1: structure of the police force currently underway, amongst other things.

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Speaker 1: Now she's not ruled out a full restructure of the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police Force. But yesterday inside Parliament, Leaf and

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Speaker 1: Occhierio and Kesier Puric argued why the Select Committee should

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Speaker 1: indeed go ahead. Now joining me on the line right

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Speaker 1: now is Kesier Puric, the Independent member for Goider.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to Eukezier.

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Speaker 3: Oh, good morning Katie. Yes, it was an interesting day

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Speaker 3: yesterday for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how did it all go Kesier?

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Speaker 1: Why in the end or what did the government say?

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Speaker 1: Did they allow you to at least discuss the reasons

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Speaker 1: why you thought this Selection Committee should happen?

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Speaker 3: Well, it was interesting because Leafnocchiero got to speak and

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Speaker 3: then Kate focus. Then I jump because I wanted to

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Speaker 3: say I was started out to happen because as you know,

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Speaker 3: it's got a track record of shutting down debate. Then

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Speaker 3: Mark Turner to them for Blaine spoke and I think

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Speaker 3: Steve Anything, I think was on his feet. But again

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Speaker 3: the government just put asked that the motion be put

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Speaker 3: or moved the motion put, which basically shuts down the debate.

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Speaker 3: So they didn't want to hear from any other members,

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Speaker 3: because once again, if they do that, they might actually

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Speaker 3: find out something that they don't want to know about.

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Speaker 3: And it's interesting the minister says they're doing a review.

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Speaker 3: Who's doing the review? Who's doing this review of police?

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Speaker 3: Is it the police reviewing the police, you know, the

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Speaker 3: executive police or if they contracted an out outside consultants

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Speaker 3: or Public Service Commissioner's office. I mean, it's fine to

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Speaker 3: say we're doing all these things or looking to do

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Speaker 3: who's doing it?

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Speaker 2: It's a good question. It is a good question. I've

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Speaker 1: Yesterday, when the Policeman is to reveal that on the show,

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Speaker 1: I was actually surprised to hear it. I know that

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Speaker 1: the financial reviewing of the police force or that look

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Speaker 1: don't know whether that's going to be looking into, you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of how many police officers we've got. We know

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Speaker 1: that the government continues to say that we've got, you know,

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Speaker 1: greater investment into the Northern Territory Police Force than ever before,

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Speaker 2: But so many people asking well where are they?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's compared to when that's the thing scient to say,

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Speaker 3: we've got all these things now, but what's their benchmark?

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Speaker 3: What are they comparing it to? Which year, which decade?

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Speaker 3: I mean, as time passed, the circumstances do change and

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Speaker 3: new things come along. That's went out and the ruler

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Speaker 3: getting an auxiliary because as you know, the police took

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Speaker 3: police good question? I don't know. I can't answer that.

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Speaker 1: Katie kis here obviously, Like I said, the Police Minister

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Speaker 1: said on the show yesterday, there'll be a review into

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Speaker 1: know the mental health of our police officers. Now she's

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Speaker 1: not ruled out a full restructure of the police force.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that goes far enough?

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Speaker 3: I think a select committee would have been able to

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Speaker 3: look at that matter, plus a whole lot of other matters. Yes,

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Speaker 3: if you look at the structure, are you assuming the

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Speaker 3: So that is that what the governor believes is the

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Speaker 3: problem currently? An empty police force? I don't know, But

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Speaker 3: a select committee could have had the two reference. They

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Speaker 1: Kesia, what do you make of the Police minister's comments

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Speaker 1: that she doesn't think that there should be another that

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Speaker 2: But then also that review is already happening.

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Speaker 3: Well, we didn't know the review was happening because the

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Speaker 3: If the government was going to try and inspire some

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Speaker 3: get that. So again they're only coming out when they're pushed.

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Speaker 3: They were pushed by the colp and their motion they've

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Speaker 3: So if the doublement was so open and transparent, y,

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Speaker 3: You know, we don't agree with this select committee, but

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Speaker 3: So to me, it's a little bit knee a reaction.

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Speaker 3: I think Katie and.

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Speaker 1: Kisi, what are the options now? Like from your perspective,

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Speaker 3: I guess the police and others have to participate in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, Kezia.

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Speaker 1: One of the other things happening today is, of course

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Speaker 3: No, not yet. I did drop someone off out at

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Speaker 3: I'll pop across at some stage after Parliament started to

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Speaker 3: But you know, this should have started, this negotiation about

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Speaker 3: pay Katy, this should have started six months ago.

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Speaker 3: The governments really really dragged their feet on this, you know.

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Speaker 2: They are.

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Speaker 1: It's so it's in Victoria that they're doing that. It's

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Speaker 3: So why can't we look at something like that for teachers.

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Speaker 3: We're in the middle of term three now, so we

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Speaker 3: I've said with police, we're not the desirable destination anymore

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Speaker 2: Well and cas.

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Speaker 1: The difficulty is that, you know, we have a government

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Speaker 3: Well, they find money for other things, Katie. You know,

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Speaker 3: but the other thing, Katie, is that it's not just

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Speaker 3: about the pay. The pay is very important, of course

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Speaker 3: kind of thing when they go into state for school

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Speaker 3: trips or you know they bring them and take them places.

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Speaker 3: That's you in unpaid time. You know, there's the classroom time,

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Speaker 3: going to go back to the school based constables. That

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Speaker 3: support has not been there as I know, And if

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Speaker 3: that's one thing that Kate, Minister Kate's going to be

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Speaker 3: looking at, then perhaps something I should write to about

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Speaker 3: So you know, they say we're into our fourth round

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Speaker 3: and third round to school based counselors. So pay is

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Speaker 3: very important, but there's these other support activities and actions

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Speaker 3: that the government's just not supporting the teaching world.

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Speaker 1: Well, Keseyopuric, we are going to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow for the.

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Speaker 2: Week that was.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, Katie will do.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks Kezy