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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast. It's the podcast for.

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Speaker 2: The time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 1: Now, I dived back into Anna Rivert science book The

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Speaker 1: Making of Men and looked at rights of passage and

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Speaker 1: what it is to be a man child versus a

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Speaker 1: boy child. Sorry, it is to be a man versus

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Speaker 1: a man child.

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Speaker 2: And now here's the stars of our show, my mom

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Speaker 2: and dad.

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Speaker 1: Today on the Happy Families Podcast, we're taking a break

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Speaker 1: from parenting once a month, Kylie and I review the

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Speaker 1: books that we've been perusing peruising, we've been reading. We've

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Speaker 1: been devouring a whole lot of books because we went

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Speaker 1: on that cruise we had time to read. I've got

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Speaker 1: seven books that I could talk about today. Well, clearly,

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Speaker 1: I will ask.

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Speaker 2: Clearly, I was not holidaying well enough because I only

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Speaker 1: You holidayed pretty hard.

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Speaker 2: I was ready to pick up book number four and

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Speaker 2: I had two books left out of my pile of

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Speaker 2: Love Story by Trent Dalton.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I reviewed on our podcast a couple of months ago.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Parenting Revolution by some guy. I don't really know.

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Speaker 1: It, that's right, you took my book with me and

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Speaker 2: You, I'm not sure which book I should read, and

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Speaker 2: you looked at me with absolute just the bewilderment that

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Speaker 2: there was actually a choice in this The.

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Speaker 1: Parenting Revolution by doctor Justin Causon. It has incidentally, I

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Speaker 1: know that it's been on your bedside table. Have you

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Speaker 1: started reading it yet?

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Speaker 2: Well, I told you I read the back cover. It's

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Speaker 2: getting closer.

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Speaker 1: It's literally at the top of the pile. It's the

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Speaker 1: best book I've ever written. I'm so excited about it.

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Speaker 1: I ran it well.

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Speaker 2: I will definitely be reviewing it next time.

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Speaker 1: I've run a couple of workshops on this, the Resilient

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Speaker 1: Kids Conference. We're talking about it because it's about raising

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Speaker 1: resilient kids. I shared it to a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: over in Perth. It's one of the best workshops I've

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Speaker 1: ever done because it's built on one of the best

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Speaker 1: books that I've ever written, probably the best book I've

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Speaker 2: And you read It's not on my list this month,

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Speaker 2: So we'll talk about it next month.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope. So Okay, well, why don't you kick

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Speaker 1: us off with the books that you've read? And obviously

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Speaker 1: you're not going to talk about all of them. You

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Speaker 1: might want to mention them, but you'll only talk about

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Speaker 1: I presume one or two of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got two highlighted.

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Speaker 1: Because we always talked for two about too many books.

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Speaker 2: So the four books that I read, I read Love

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Speaker 2: Story by Trent Dalton. You've obviously already talked about it,

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Speaker 1: I did you agree with me? I said, the highs

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Speaker 1: are brilliant, but overall I just couldn't really love it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't love the book, but the highs make the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I agree. Overall, I think that it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I did want to sit down and talk

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Speaker 2: But what I did love was how he took again,

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Speaker 2: you know, just those tiny moments that if you're not intentional,

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Speaker 1: And he honored everybody's story. Yeah. I love how you're

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Speaker 2: That were just talking about tramp Dalton. So the next

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Speaker 2: book I want to review is called The Wedding Party

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Speaker 1: There was.

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Speaker 2: There was lots and lots of themes in it, and

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Speaker 1: So we're not talking about love stories. We're not talking

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Speaker 2: So the book that I will talk about, Okay, one

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Speaker 2: and it's by Kylie Ladd. This is actually a story

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Speaker 2: about a donor's family.

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Speaker 1: So a family who's got a loved one who's passed

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Speaker 2: It's not a true story, but it is touching on

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Speaker 2: an area that's actually quite gray.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this could be tricky. I'm just thinking, you haven't

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Speaker 1: these organs could have gone to any number of people

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Speaker 2: Actually laws that have been passed to kind of negate

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Speaker 2: For anyone to make contact, it actually has to go

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Speaker 2: But ultimately it's this just this beautiful exploration of life

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Speaker 2: I really really loved it. It was a very different read

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Speaker 1: I can hear it in your voice. How many stars

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I feel like you've almost convinced me

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Speaker 2: Well, I donated that one to some people in Tahiti,

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Speaker 1: So you said there were four. We don't really have

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Speaker 2: The last one's called The One hundred Years of Lenny

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Speaker 2: It's called The One Hundred Years of Lenny and Margo.

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Speaker 2: And I picked it up purely on the cover. I

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Speaker 1: It sounds like the ultimate tear jerker.

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Speaker 2: It really is, but in such a beautiful way. You're

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Speaker 2: a beautiful celebration of life and seeing things differently.

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Speaker 1: I watched you read it and you cried. So I'm

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Speaker 1: going to dive into the books that I have been reading,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to be really brief because unlike you,

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Speaker 1: The ones that I'm not going to talk about include

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Speaker 1: The Making of Men by Anna Rudenstein, because I'm getting

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Speaker 1: dived back into Anna rubert Stein's book at the Making

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