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Speaker 1: You may have read in the paper today in the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory News that the controversial ninety nine year lease

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Speaker 1: of Darwin's Port to Chinese owned company Lambridge is going

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Speaker 1: to be scrutinized by a parliamentary inquiry, as senators for

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Speaker 1: both sides of politics call for the deal to be

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Speaker 1: examined under the coalition's new Foreign VSHO power legislation. Now

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Speaker 1: joining me on the line to talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: and what we can expect is Senator for the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory CLP. Senator for the Northern Territory, Sam McMahon.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Katie. How are you yeah? Really well? Sam?

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Speaker 1: We know, as I mentioned this, the lease over the

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Speaker 1: Darwin Port, it's something that we've spoken about on many occasions.

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Speaker 1: It's something that gets raised quite regularly. But the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory News is reporting today that they understand both Liberal

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Speaker 1: and Labor senators plan to raise the issue next week

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Speaker 1: when the Senate's Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee begins an

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Speaker 1: inquiry into a bill that would give the Commonweald It's

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Speaker 1: the power to veto international agreements reached by states and

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Speaker 1: territories with foreign governments. Do you think that the lease

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Speaker 1: is something that we need to be looking back into.

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Speaker 3: Look, I personally think it wouldn't hurt to look into it.

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Speaker 3: We need to make sure that it's still in Australia's

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Speaker 3: national interests and that the terms of the lease are

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Speaker 3: being adhered to. So I definitely think it's worth having

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Speaker 3: a look at it.

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Speaker 2: Why do you reckon that it wouldn't hurt.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it is, as you say, fairly controversial.

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Speaker 3: People tend to have an opinion on it. A lot

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Speaker 3: of people have been critical and said, oh, the government

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Speaker 3: sold the port. Well, they didn't sell the port, they

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Speaker 3: leased it. It's different. It's a commercial arrangement, but it

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Speaker 3: is one that causes a lot of angst in the community,

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Speaker 3: and therefore I think it's worth having a look at

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Speaker 3: it to assure Territorians and Australians that everything is in

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Speaker 3: our best interest or if it's not, that we are

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Speaker 3: taking action to do something about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose the reality is if we find that

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Speaker 1: it's not in Australia's best interest, what steps would then

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Speaker 1: sort of need to be taken.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, that would be a legal process Katie. Obviously

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Speaker 3: we wouldn't just seize it back. There is a commercial

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Speaker 3: lease in place, and you know that would be one

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Speaker 3: for the Attorney General and the Foreign Minister and a

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Speaker 3: few others to have a look at and to see

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Speaker 3: what mechanisms there might be for buying back the lease,

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Speaker 3: for canceling the lease, for you know what. There might

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Speaker 3: be several mechanisms it could be used.

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Speaker 2: Senator, Is it more of.

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Speaker 1: A situation here where it's worth having a look at

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Speaker 1: to sort of reassure territorians that there's nothing untoward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, there we need to be able to assure

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Speaker 3: good value for territorians as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I said, it's something that always gets raised.

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Speaker 1: I you know, I think, look, it's interesting if it

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Speaker 1: if it is going to be looked into, when would

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Speaker 1: that sort of when would that happen?

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Speaker 3: Well, the inquiry is starting. These things generally sort of

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Speaker 3: take it at least six months, sometimes longer depending on

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Speaker 3: So you know we're probably looking at a six to

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, it'll be interesting to see exactly what

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Speaker 1: comes out of that inquiry.

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Speaker 2: And where it all all leads now, Senator.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the federal budget being handed down tomorrow night,

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Speaker 1: we already see that we're going to get a one

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Speaker 2: What will this mean and where will this money be spent?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is a sort of a preliminary release

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Speaker 3: this one hundred and ninety million funding is on a

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Speaker 1: Well, no doubt that that funding is going to be

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Speaker 1: widely welcomed by the community. Some of those road areas

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Speaker 1: the Chief Minister earlier this morning and asked him, you know,

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Speaker 1: He sort of he said that he thinks, you know,

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Speaker 1: Scott Morrison's made some really good announcements in terms of

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Speaker 2: For that period of time.

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Speaker 1: Senator, from your perspective, what have you advocated for the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Katie, as the treasure has indicated it is

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Speaker 3: it is all about jobs, keeping the economy moving, providing employment,

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Speaker 3: small to medium businesses are the backbone of the territory economy.

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Speaker 3: Obviously Job Keeper is keeping them supported at the moment,

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Speaker 3: so we want to continue that to see them come through.

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Speaker 3: There's some moves for tourism obviously historically a reasonably important

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Speaker 3: But yes, I'm very keen on big infrastructure projects, road

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Speaker 3: DEPUTYPM tonight about.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So, in terms of water infrastructure, what would you like

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, we've got on the table the arrows project

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Speaker 3: possibility of new dam sites around the top end where

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Speaker 3: we could potentially have in the CSIROS identified about seven

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Speaker 1: And I'm assuming that that would obviously not only be

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Speaker 1: but also when you talk about agriculture and horticulture and

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Speaker 3: Absolutely right, when we not only have to provide water

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Speaker 1: Now, Senator, the Chief Minister mentioned earlier this morning that

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Speaker 1: obviously the federal government has committed to Kakado, he's really

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Speaker 1: hopeful that that money may be brought forward sooner.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's on the cards?

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Speaker 3: Look over the situation with the funding for I could

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Speaker 3: do is it's there and we're trying to bring it

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Speaker 3: be rolled out. It's actually a combination of the Northern

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Speaker 3: of the fact that the money is sitting there ready

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Speaker 1: So in what ways they are they holding that money

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Speaker 3: Okay, there's all sorts of disputes about how the money

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Speaker 3: actually are the traditional owners of the various areas of

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Speaker 3: the park. There's disputes about various developments that have gone

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Speaker 3: Deputy Secretary leaving. So there's been all sorts of you know,

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Speaker 3: all sorts of disputes and arguments that are holding up

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Speaker 3: the rolling out of this funding.

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Speaker 1: But that Parks Australia, the issues of Parks Australia, that's

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Speaker 1: actually that comes down to federal management.

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Speaker 3: Well, no, it's the interaction between Parks Australia and the

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Speaker 3: the interaction between them and all the players in the

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Speaker 3: happy fair enough. That's that's their right to not be

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Speaker 3: happy with South things are going along, but that that

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Speaker 1: So just to be really clear for our listeners at

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Speaker 1: the moment, what you're saying is that the issues in

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Speaker 1: terms of that investment into Kakado right now, it's got

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Speaker 2: Do with the Federal government. It's there.

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Speaker 1: It's that the other various groups aren't able to coordinate

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Correct, the money, the money is there. I speak

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Speaker 3: to the Minister frequently. We're wanting to roll it out

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Speaker 3: and it's you know, all all these other players which

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Speaker 3: all have to agree, which doesn't always happen, and all

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Speaker 3: from the Northern Territory side. The money sitting there, it's

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Speaker 3: ready to go. We want to spend it.

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Speaker 1: And so so what's stopping it right now is not

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Speaker 1: the federal government bringing for that money. It's actually ready

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Speaker 3: Absolutely all right, Well, we might.

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Speaker 1: Try and I'll see if I can get the Tourism

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Speaker 1: Minister on tomorrow morning and see if we can get

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Speaker 1: a bit of their response to that comment, Senator Sam McMahon,

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Speaker 1: always good to.

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Speaker 2: Catch up with you.

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Speaker 1: Any other any other little tidbits that you of info

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Katie, sorry, sorry, no sort of advanced surprises. I'll

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Speaker 3: get a smack over the roost from the PM if

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Speaker 3: I do that. But yet, as I said, the Deputy

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Speaker 3: Prime Minister Michael McCormack has assured me that it will

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Speaker 3: be good news for the Northern Territory, so I'm going

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Speaker 3: to be working really hard to hold into that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I will be waiting to hear and we are due

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Speaker 1: to catch up with Mattias Corman on Wednesday morning, so

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Speaker 1: hopefully there'll be some good news in there for the territory.

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Speaker 1: Senator Sam McMahon, good to catch up with you today, Thank.

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Speaker 3: You, Yeah, thanks, thanks very much, Katie. Thanks to you listeners.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you again soon.

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Speaker 1: That is the COLP Senator there for the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 1: Sam McMahon