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Speaker 2: O four nine dot com dot Au. Now, as you've

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Speaker 2: just heard, fishows are going to have to register to

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Speaker 2: fish along more than three thousand kilometers of the Northern

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Speaker 2: Territory coast. The move has been announced by the Northern

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Speaker 2: Land Council and joining me in the studio is the

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Speaker 2: CEO of the Northern Land Council, Marion Scrimjaw.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 2: Now, Marian, can you talk me through what exactly has

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Speaker 2: been decided?

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Speaker 1: Katie.

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Speaker 3: Look, we've, after long consultation and communication with traditional owners,

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Speaker 3: looked at what is the best process moving forward so

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Speaker 3: that we can put a balance between the needs and

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Speaker 3: give fishermen access to some of those areas a registration

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Speaker 3: system and I've heard a fan saying that it's not

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Speaker 3: a legal document, it is part of our system. And

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Speaker 3: if the Northern Lane council chooses to put in place

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Speaker 3: a registration process rather than a permit system, well, then

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Speaker 3: that is a progress that can be done through the

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Speaker 3: Northern Lane Council's framework. We don't and we have never

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Speaker 3: said at any time that we would put a permit

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Speaker 3: that will enable a fisherman to have two years permit

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Speaker 3: free access to over three thousand square kilometers of sea

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Speaker 2: Marion. Why has it been decided to do this registration

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Speaker 2: process rather than the permit.

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Speaker 3: Because if people go in via you know, travel into

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Speaker 3: it or don't require a permit, Katie. So to try

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Speaker 3: registration process that could you know, allow traditional owners some

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Speaker 3: that we can we can all work together to make

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Speaker 3: people are just not happy with that. So with the registration,

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Speaker 3: the right thing and everyone will have access to that water,

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Speaker 3: which is a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Now, is that system ready to go? Is that website

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Speaker 1: Yes they can.

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Speaker 3: And I got a text to say that David Kerravolof

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Speaker 3: Gone online and registered and got himself registered. So at

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Speaker 3: the moment, I think we've had about fifty people.

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Speaker 1: That have gone on. I will get confirmation.

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Speaker 3: From you know, from our staff, but I think we've

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Speaker 3: Ready today, Look, I urge everybody too. It's a it's

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Speaker 2: Marion. How will people know where they can and cannot.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So just to clarify that, because I know that

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Speaker 1: But that's not exactly the case.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing stopping and the river is free. Noah.

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Speaker 3: Anyone has access into the Finnis River can go. There

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Speaker 3: At the moment, you can't go right up the river,

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Speaker 2: Okay, Marion, how is this all going to be managed?

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Speaker 2: Are there going to be people on the water checking

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Speaker 3: Not on the water, Katie, But we're having we are

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Speaker 3: It's common sense needs to be applied here. But if

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Speaker 1: But I know that most people do the right thing.

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Speaker 2: It says, good morning, Katie. Can you please ask the

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Speaker 3: Do not know? So we've signed so these there were

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Speaker 3: they will submit on block a registration so through their process,

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Speaker 1: But people don't have to do individual ones.

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Speaker 3: It's only individual fish shows that are going into that

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Speaker 1: It is one off.

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Speaker 3: People don't have to go on all the time. Once

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Speaker 2: Marion, what's the well, why has this decision been made?

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Speaker 2: You know, why was it deemed that this is the

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Speaker 3: I think we've had a look at all of these.

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Speaker 3: Kie, There's been long consultation and discussion with traditional owners

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Speaker 3: This has been lost in this whole process that Aboriginal

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Speaker 1: This has come after much negotiation.

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Speaker 3: Oh, look, it has and I think for the Northern

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Speaker 3: We just all need to work together to try and

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Speaker 2: Are you concerned about the impact that it might have

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Speaker 1: Now, look, I think this will be the right approach.

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Speaker 3: Of course, people are going to growl and people are

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Speaker 3: we can help people to work through that.

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Speaker 1: I keep saying.

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Speaker 3: The registration is simple, it's free, and it gives everybody

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Speaker 2: So this agreement's in place, by the sounds of it,

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Speaker 2: for the next two years. I guess some will be

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Speaker 2: wondering in the community right now whether this means that

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Speaker 2: sort of start all from scratch again. What do your

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Speaker 3: Look, I think that Cardian, I'm not going to crystal

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Speaker 3: that data and look at some of those hotspot areas.

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Speaker 3: Do we need to get better infrastructure. Do we need

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Just on those areas that we've spoken about a little

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Speaker 2: where parts of it, you know, there's still negotiation underway

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Speaker 2: How far off do you reckon you are in terms

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Speaker 3: Look, we're continuing those consultations and communications, Katie. Look, I

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Speaker 3: the consultations have turned out to be quite positive and

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Speaker 3: the traditional owners have given the tick to the roper

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Speaker 1: And I'll leave this map for you, Katie.

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Speaker 3: It clearly shows that the river is free, so people

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Speaker 3: Trust boundary, and those communications are happening over the next

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks to try and clarify some of those areas.

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Speaker 1: Marion.

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Speaker 2: Some people listening right now might be thinking to themselves, well,

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Speaker 2: if it is you know, if it is free, if

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Speaker 2: you don't require a permit, and if there's sort of

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Speaker 2: these changes. Why do we now have to register to

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Speaker 2: fish in those areas?

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Speaker 3: The registration process allows us to put in place rather

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Speaker 3: than a permit process, because that's what would have happened

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Speaker 3: to Katie. We would have anyone going into the intertitle

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Speaker 3: zone would have required a permit under the Aboriginal Land

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Speaker 3: Act and under the Averagin Land Rights Act. Traditional owners

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Speaker 3: could have and would have enforced a permit system. We've

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Speaker 3: had a lot of consultation to say, look, let's look

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Speaker 3: at another way in which we can accommodate both your

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Speaker 3: looked at and we've gone around and around with our

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Speaker 3: We can enforce it.

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Speaker 1: So reckon, do you reckon?

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Speaker 2: This is you know, realistic, This is traditional owners actually

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Speaker 2: saying to territories, we want you to still be able

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Speaker 2: that you're doing the right thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And look, I think absolutely, Katie, and I think

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Speaker 3: you know everybody, and I'm not saying you know everyone

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Speaker 3: does the wrong thing. There's a lot of fishermen who

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Speaker 3: do the right thing, and the law of the land

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Speaker 3: still applies regardless of where you're fishing. And I think

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Speaker 3: most fishers will do the right thing, and traditional owners

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Speaker 3: want people to do the right thing.

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Speaker 1: So I think together all of.

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Speaker 3: Us have just got to work together to get the

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Speaker 3: best outcome, traditional owners, fishermen, everybody. And look, I think

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Speaker 3: that at the end of the day, storm in a

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Speaker 3: teacup let's all just work together and make sure that

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Speaker 3: people can continue to go to their favorite fishing spot

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Speaker 3: and fish well.

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Speaker 2: CEO of the Northern Land Council, Marion Scrimjaw, always appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time.

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Speaker 1: Thanks very much for coming in. Thank you, thank you,