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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers Now.

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Speaker 2: It's the Happy Families Podcast, The podcast for the time

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Speaker 2: poor parent who just wants answers Now? Episode number two

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Speaker 2: for twenty twenty two. This is doctor Justin Coilson, the

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Speaker 2: parenting expert on Channel nine's Parental Guidance and the author

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Speaker 2: of six books about raising happy families. I'm not joined

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Speaker 2: by Kylie today. If you missed yesterday's episode, I introduced

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Speaker 2: you had a great conversation with Kate Mead, soon to

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Speaker 2: be the producer on the breakfast radio show Jonesy and

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Speaker 2: Amanda in the Sydney radio market, but all round fantastic

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Speaker 2: Mum to three and Kate is with me for the

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Speaker 2: rest of the week. Kate, thanks for joining me again

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Speaker 2: on the podcast Happy Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: It's good to be here.

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Speaker 2: We've got a really important topic to talk about today

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Speaker 2: and I don't want to beat around the bush.

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Speaker 4: Let's just get straight to it. Over the last couple.

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Speaker 2: Of weeks, everywhere around Australia, with the exception of Western Australia,

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Speaker 2: who are very much living in their own little bubble,

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Speaker 2: and I make no judgments about that. I'm just I'm

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Speaker 2: just saying Western Australia is really a bit different to

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Speaker 2: everywhere else right now, Hell to all of our friends

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Speaker 2: in Perth, by the way, and w a COVID.

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Speaker 4: It's everywhere.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you say, oh, micron or omicron

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Speaker 2: the variation, but it's it's like crazy contagious and everyone's

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Speaker 2: hopefully everyone's been vaccinated because it's apparently not so bad

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Speaker 2: away you go. But the rules are, if you get COVID,

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Speaker 2: even if you're asymptomatic, you've got to isolate and Kate,

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Speaker 2: you've got a daughter who got COVID, tell us about it.

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Speaker 5: Two big questions, two big questions that happen over the summer.

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Speaker 5: How's your summer?

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Speaker 3: And did you get it right?

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Speaker 5: And currently my answer is well, no, I didn't, so

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Speaker 5: I don't know how, but eighteen year old daughter did.

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Speaker 5: Now you try seriously and put an eighteen year old

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Speaker 2: It's just well, we need to talk about that, but

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Speaker 2: we've also got to talk about it. I mean, how

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Speaker 2: fortunate in some ways that it was your eighteen year

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Speaker 2: some parents are thinking, well, what if what if I

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Speaker 2: So we've got two parents who have to isolate, and

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Speaker 2: Or you've got a child who has got it and

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Speaker 2: to lock them in the room for ten days. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but that seems to me like a

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Speaker 2: a child, for the mom and dad family, yeah, yeahah yeah.

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Speaker 5: And you've got to hope that you've got a network

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Speaker 5: you've still got to do all the isolation part. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: she needed you know, the food thing was a you know,

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Speaker 5: Deal anyway in a family, food, when you have someone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because you can't really play Monopoly deal

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Speaker 4: You could play battleship or guess who through the doorway, yes.

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Speaker 5: And it sounds like tried, well we tried, but she

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Speaker 3: But for her, she just turned eighteen in August. She

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Speaker 2: Everyone else is pretending that there's nothing the matter. My

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Speaker 2: Like that's happening everywhere, right, I mean, it shouldn't be.

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Speaker 5: It's so hard because but just because others are doing

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Speaker 4: You sound so much like a mum. It's the old thing, though.

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Speaker 5: Like I don't care what Docy's doing. I don't care

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Speaker 2: What do you do when you've got an eighteen year

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Speaker 2: I can't hide and pretend to be at the park.

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Speaker 5: Look, if I'm honest, we got lucky, I think in

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Speaker 5: She got the sorry, these are the guidelines and not

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Speaker 2: And that's got to be the framing, because I mean,

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Speaker 5: they I guess you have to hope that, yeah, that

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Speaker 3: I guess that's it. I guess that's what we would hope.

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Speaker 2: You know, just before we talk about what it would

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this idea of boredom.

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Speaker 4: This seems tangential. But you see where I'm going with this, Kate.

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Speaker 2: Over the years, I've watched a whole lot of psychologists

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Speaker 4: Boredom is important.

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Speaker 2: And if kids can learn to be bored and sit

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Speaker 2: And I've written a couple of pieces just saying what

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Speaker 2: But this brand new study shows that people behave more

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Speaker 2: I remember I grew up with kids who if they

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Speaker 2: It's actually it's allowsy for kids to be bored. They

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Speaker 2: need to be in enriching environments and then have choice

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Speaker 2: got COVID, how do you build an enriching environment for them?

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Speaker 2: If you're twelve year old caught it rather than your

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Speaker 2: how will you have managed that?

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Speaker 4: Kate?

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Speaker 5: It seems cut and dry and maybe not that great

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Speaker 2: We need to talk about solutions though, So if you're

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Speaker 2: the first thing that I'd really like to know. But Kate,

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Speaker 5: It, I guess if you've got screen time at home

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Speaker 5: it did for us because the number one, how could

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Speaker 4: Not going to storm in there and take it off her.

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Speaker 5: But also that really is going to be the center

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Speaker 2: I think that we get so obsessive over screens, and

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Speaker 4: I'm with you for ten days. If you want to.

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Speaker 2: Two other things that we could probably talk about. I reckon,

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Speaker 2: if you've got the capacity to do it, get them

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Speaker 3: But in her situation unfortunately, Yeah, that's what she got.

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Speaker 4: And was there anything else that stood out to you

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Speaker 5: Oh, if you were ever think about cutting back subscriptions

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Speaker 4: Not the time. Now is not the time.

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Speaker 3: Now's the time to look at the UK.

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Speaker 4: Once time go down, get a VPN, get everything you can.

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Speaker 2: I would definitely be encouraging that as well. There's been

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Speaker 2: a great chat Kate me thank you so much again

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Speaker 2: joining me on the Happy Families podcast.

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the issue of I mean

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Speaker 2: going to talk about what to do when you just

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Speaker 2: a really fun discussion because, let's face it, Kate, we

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Speaker 2: all love food, but as parents we usually do struggle

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Speaker 2: a bit with meal times, and some of them sometimes

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Speaker 2: so do the kids. So that's tomorrow and on Thursday.

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