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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, TV reporters

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Speaker 1: are told to forget about ratings and concentrate on TikTok videos,

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Speaker 1: Bella Verrella's docks as a follower following a violent remark,

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Speaker 1: the CPA Bride TikTok drama, and the viral hook tarh Girl.

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Speaker 1: But first, Olivia Rodgers has gone viral with her new

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Speaker 1: boyfriend at the Beauty and the Beast premiere, and it

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Speaker 1: is clear that the former Miss Universe has a type,

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Speaker 1: with followers noticing her new man bears a striking resemblance

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Speaker 1: to her ex husband Justin mckehan now Sophie. Olivia first

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Speaker 1: broke the news of her new romance on her podcast

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Speaker 1: Yeah And This was a bit of a slipper because

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Speaker 1: in the episode, she was being interviewed by her friend

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Speaker 1: Hugo Tovey and he is a mental health advocate who's

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Speaker 1: beaten cancer twice and during the segment, Hugo asked Olivia

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Speaker 1: to take part in a connection exercise, so he asked

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Speaker 1: her to close her eyes and think about someone in

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Speaker 1: her life that she loves doors and could not be

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Speaker 1: doing life without. Hugo then asked her to open her

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Speaker 1: phone and send a message to that person saying I

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Speaker 1: love you, I miss you, See you soon. Kiss hug,

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Speaker 1: Kiss hug. And he proceeded to ask Olivia on Mike

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Speaker 1: who's the person that she sent the message to.

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Speaker 2: This was her reply, It's just funny because I joked

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Speaker 2: about mentioning him on the podcast My boyfriend.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there you go. First time you've said that on

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Speaker 3: the podcast. We've got a scoop.

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Speaker 1: Now. I don't think Hugo was anticipating that response. It

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Speaker 1: shows off the bat, though, that this relationship is pretty

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Speaker 1: serious if they've already exchanged I love yous. I wonder

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Speaker 1: how long it's been going on for, because she broke

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Speaker 1: up with her most recent ex, Morgan Waterhouse, in November

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Speaker 1: last year, if you can believe it, so wow, really yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's been about seven months that she's been single.

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Speaker 1: I like this new guy already, and I don't even

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Speaker 1: know anything about him. Yeah, I mean yeah. Because following

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Speaker 1: the segment, Olivia must have thought enough people had heard it,

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Speaker 1: so she thought I may as well post him so

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Speaker 1: she put up a black and white photo with this

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Speaker 1: mystery man. It was amongst a photo dump from her

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Speaker 1: trip to Perth, and I hadn't actually heard this podcast interview,

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Speaker 1: so I wasn't aware that she confirmed that she had

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Speaker 1: a new boyfriend. So I put it in our Facebook

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Speaker 1: group saying to listeners, do you think this is some

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Speaker 1: sort of hard launch? Because I noticed one of her

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Speaker 1: friends put a little rocket ship emoji in the comments,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people in our Facebook group thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: maybe this guy's a family member because the photo didn't

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Speaker 1: look overly affectionate. Did you see it? Yeah, I can

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Speaker 1: see where they're coming from. It didn't instantly shout this

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Speaker 1: is my new boyfriend. He was sitting on a chair

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Speaker 1: and she had an arm sort of around him. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it looked like a very family sort of posed. And

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Speaker 1: the caption didn't really point to it being a hard

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Speaker 1: launch either, because it just said Perth featuring Pasta puppies

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Speaker 1: and some of my favorite people. So I thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: this guy must just be someone from Perth. She knows.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an intentional move though, because Olivia has

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Speaker 1: copped criticism over how much she was talking about her

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Speaker 1: relationship with Morgan Well. She also didn't tag the new

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Speaker 1: guy in the post smart move Yeah. And it wasn't

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Speaker 1: until he appeared alongside Olivia at the Beauty and the

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Speaker 1: Beast premiere, which she ended up hosting the red carpet

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Speaker 1: for the people realized that they were in fact an item.

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Speaker 1: And this is where a lot of people couldn't help

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Speaker 1: but notice that he looks so much like her ex husband,

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Speaker 1: Justin mckeinn, Like they have this same sort of pout.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think they could be twins? And some people

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Speaker 1: actually said, you don't think that looks the same. I

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Speaker 1: actually don't think that they look the same, series they're

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Speaker 1: the same kind of height. When I saw him, I

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Speaker 1: actually thought he looked a lot like her ex before,

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Speaker 1: Justin Well. Some people actually said that he looked like

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Speaker 1: the perfect blend of Justin Morgan, which I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's a good thing or not. But he doesn't

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Speaker 1: like as In Morgan really gave across the impression that

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Speaker 1: he wanted attention, he wanted Instagram followers, whereas this guy,

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Speaker 1: despite not knowing anything about him, he seems a bit

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Speaker 1: more understated. He doesn't seem like he wants fame and attention,

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Speaker 1: like the fact that Olivia didn't tag him and hasn't

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Speaker 1: a normal amount, because of course some super slus have

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Speaker 1: tracked him down and they sent it into influencer updates

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Speaker 1: and she ended up posting a screenshot of his Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I won't say his full name because I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: respect him, but his first name is Hugo. I do

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Speaker 1: love that name, and he is. You can see that

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Speaker 1: he's got zero posts up, so he's clearly and his

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Speaker 1: page is on private, so you can see that he's thought, fuck,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to get a lot of attention now being

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Speaker 1: Olivia Roger's boyfriend. I'm going to remove anything that could

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Speaker 1: possibly be offensive or incriminated. But that looks more guilty almost.

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Speaker 1: It does. But I can see why he's doing it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's made it private as well. It's clear

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Speaker 1: that he's not into some social media career, which I like.

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Speaker 1: But I want to see his photos of him with

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Speaker 1: like the fish from ten years ago, do you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? I want to see like all his

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Speaker 1: ex girlfriends.

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Speaker 1: Wait, so is he from Perth or he just went

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Speaker 1: to Perth with her. I did. I had to do

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Speaker 1: a bit of a stalk, but it came up with

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Speaker 1: popping up, so I didn't click on it. There's potential

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Speaker 1: that he could have played for the Waffle over there.

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Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure because I couldn't tell

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Speaker 1: if it's him in the photos. Now that's football, yeah,

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Speaker 1: so it's not quite clear. I'm sure we will find

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Speaker 1: out more about him soon though. But what is clear

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Speaker 1: is that Olivia is a relationship girl. She is often

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Speaker 1: criticized for jumping too quickly into a relationship, but my

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Speaker 1: counter argument to that is that she's in her mid

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Speaker 1: to know people quicker. You get to know if they're

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Speaker 1: her that she's found someone new. Was interesting timing because

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Speaker 1: it appears Olivia's ex Justin may have caught it quits

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Speaker 1: with his girlfriend, who's former Bachelor contestant Tany Leeson. There

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Speaker 1: has been no official breakup announcement, but they have simply

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Speaker 1: disappeared from one another's socials and they've removed all of

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Speaker 1: I think that it's definitely on the rocks. There was

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Speaker 1: someone in the background of his take sure again, I

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Speaker 1: Now I got to do is get him refusing to

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Speaker 1: speak to us, get a bit of hassle and Basil

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Speaker 1: jiggle a camera and then we can just piss off

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's Martin Destasia here from Frontline.

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Speaker 1: Now, why won't you speak to us about the two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars that's gone missing from your

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Speaker 1: client's trust funds?

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Speaker 2: All right, come in, this.

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Speaker 1: Is the bit we can't use, right the bastard opens the.

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Speaker 2: Door on us. No, no, no, wait, let's just reverse

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Speaker 2: the footage and boom bastard slams the door in your face.

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Speaker 1: Seven News has reportedly instructed its journalists to forget about

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Speaker 1: ratings and concentrate on making TikTok videos. It comes as

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Speaker 1: Meta threatens to block news from Facebook and Instagram in

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Speaker 1: Australia amid a bargaining war. This is so weird. When

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Speaker 1: I saw this pop up in my newsfeed, I thought,

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Speaker 1: hasn't this already happened? Because back in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: Meta went rogue and they blocked all Australian news content

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Speaker 1: important than ever. Everyone was on their Facebook live watching

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Speaker 1: in response to the Federal government creating a news media

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Speaker 1: bargaining code, which suddenly required Meta to start paying media

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Speaker 1: organizations to use their content and prior to that, metad

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Speaker 1: and that is yearly to media outlets. Now, Meta has

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Speaker 1: would not be renewing the deal. And this deal only

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Speaker 1: made sixty five billion dollars in revenue. This is such

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Speaker 1: a massive blow for the Australian media and in the

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Speaker 1: wake of the deal expiring, Seven have already begun swinging

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Speaker 1: the act. So they've informed one hundred and fifty staff

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Speaker 1: seems like Seven strategies we need to get rid of

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Speaker 1: all seems to have followed the Bruce Lehman case interestingly,

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Speaker 1: so we've seen six members of seven's leadership team that

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Speaker 1: Craig McPherson. There's also been a lot of change in

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Speaker 1: it seems as if they've potentially brought new people in

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Speaker 1: the staff. Yeah, because you're not going to want people

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Speaker 1: go and have to make those tough calls. They also

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Speaker 1: but it also comes as Seven has faced a lot

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Speaker 1: of backlash from controversy around the Bruce Lyum and Spotlight interview,

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Speaker 1: doing an expose into the network. Yeah, and nine are

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Speaker 1: call it a lunchbox winker because that's kind of what

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Speaker 1: I see it sometimes. I don't know, again, I feel aboud.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to sing people out, but when you're

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Speaker 1: having to, Like, I think it's very popular for like

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Speaker 1: influencer mums to take a photo and write like as

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Speaker 1: if we don't have eyes ritat what each little bit

437
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Speaker 1: of food is in the section, And it's always like

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00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: this organic grain or like two lollies or in organic lot,

439
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: Like it's just the biggest load of wink. I'd like

440
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Speaker 1: to add up how much each of those lunchboxes cost

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00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 1: as well, and how much the kids don't eat and

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Speaker 1: throw on the bin. I bet hers, I bet Fox

443
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: is like, you know, please someone give me a fucking bar,

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Speaker 1: like trying to barter with his lunchbox with the other kids.

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Speaker 1: And I want to know as well, like would you

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Speaker 1: be putting in that much effort if you weren't sharing

447
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: the aesthetics of the lunch box online. Yeah, is this

448
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: a one off lunch box or is this like an

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Speaker 1: everyday thing? Continued on page five. I mean I shall

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Speaker 1: just rise above it. I shall let this thing affect

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Speaker 1: me in.

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Speaker 2: Close.

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Speaker 3: Forty seven.

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Speaker 1: Former Bachelor contestant turned influencer Bella Verrella's has named and

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Speaker 1: shamed a follower who made vile comments about her in

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Speaker 1: an Instagram d M mishap. So the follower thought she

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Speaker 1: was forwarding Bella's story onto a friend, Oh God, but

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Speaker 1: instead she replied directly to her story, writing I would

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Speaker 1: kick her if I ever saw her now. Bella responded,

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00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: and she asked the woman, why would you follow someone

461
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: you physically want a harm? Well good question. Yeah. So,

462
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: rather than apologizing, the follower attempted to engage in more conversation,

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Speaker 1: which led Bella to share a screenshot of the exchange

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Speaker 1: to her one hundred and four thousand followers. So Bella wrote, Honestly,

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Speaker 1: some people on the Internet are horrific. I'm honestly disgusted

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Speaker 1: that someone would actually verbalize wanting to physically harm another

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Speaker 1: human being. You have no idea what someone is going

468
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 1: through mentally, and a small negative comment can send someone

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Speaker 1: into a spiral how were you raised? And yes, I'm

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Speaker 1: naming and shaming because if you aren't happy having your

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Speaker 1: name put to the words that have come out of

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Speaker 1: your mouth or that you have written, then you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: say them at all. Now, this comment about kicking her

474
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: if you saw her out in public, it was in

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Speaker 1: response to a fit check that Bella had done in public.

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Speaker 1: So she was in the video, Bella was showing off

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Speaker 1: her outfit and someone walked past and she'd said how

478
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: embarrassing it was. So I mean, I don't I just

479
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense to me why someone would

480
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: forward that on and say, oh, couckar if I saw

481
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: her in public, like she was being quite modest and

482
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: saying it was embarrassing moment. Yeah, it's disgusting for her

483
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: to make that comment, especially in the current climate, like

484
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Speaker 1: to be talking about physically harming another woman. It's pretty appalling.

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Speaker 1: But I also don't understand why do people keep accidentally

486
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Speaker 1: replying to stories. Yeah, they're like bitchy comments, like it's

487
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Speaker 1: pretty clear that's the forward butt and like the other

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Speaker 1: button is reply well, yeah, to be fair, Like if

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00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: ever I forward someone's story on and want to share

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Speaker 1: it with a friend and have a bit of a comment.

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Speaker 1: I am so careful. I mean, obviously I'm not sharing

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Speaker 1: comments like this follower did, but you know, even if you're,

493
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Speaker 1: even if I quite often send, if I see Olivia

494
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: Rodgers in a pretty outfit, I'll send it to one

495
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: of my friends and be like, oh my god, where

496
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: did she find this? But still it would be mortifying

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Speaker 1: to send a comment directly to the person. What do

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Speaker 1: you think about the whole naming and shaming? Though I

499
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: personally don't have a problem with it, particularly when someone

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00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: has threatened violence in this way, I think that I

501
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: get that she didn't intend for the message to be

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00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: sent directly to the person, and it is difficult because

503
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: you can never understand tone or that person's sense of humor.

504
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: I mean, this could have been said in a lighthearted way,

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00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: but I think that she wasn't very apologetic when Bella

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00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: went back to her and asked for an explanation. So

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Speaker 1: I think that if you're willing to write a comment

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00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: like this, you should also be open to having your

509
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: name put out there. Well. Like, whatever you write online,

510
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: whether it is you think it's in private or whatever,

511
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: it could potentially come out. So you've got to be

512
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: so careful. Well, there are so many people as well

513
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: that like, if you go on Facebook and you look

514
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Speaker 1: at the comments on an article, or even if you

515
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Speaker 1: go into your dms and whatever, there are these vile

516
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: people who feel like they can just comment on anything

517
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Speaker 1: that they like and that there's no ramifications, and a

518
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Speaker 1: lot of the time these people have a profile picture

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00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: of them with their kids tag be kind. Yeah, And

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00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: the reality is that if you are receiving messages like

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00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 1: this a lot, I can see why she would have

522
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: cracked and gone, fuck it, I'm naming and shaming. The

523
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: thing is, though, she could have got her message across,

524
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: which was you don't know what other people are going through,

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00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: so please be kind without sharing this person's name, Well,

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Speaker 1: it can seem a bit contradictory because you don't know

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00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: what's going on in the other person's life. But as

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00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: you said, Amy, I am getting sick of people feeling

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Speaker 1: like they can hide behind accounts. And you know, if

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Speaker 1: someone has a public profile, they're not allowed to say

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Speaker 1: anything or like, you should be accountable for your own actions.

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00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: And I think in this day and age, people shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be allowed to hide behind fake accounts. I know this

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00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: isn't what this happens to. Now, this this was her

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00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: real account, this woman's account like it had a full

536
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: name and everything. And this incident has sparked debate around doxing,

537
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: and so doxing refers to the act of deliberately exposing

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00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: an individual's identity, personal information or private details online with

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00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: out their consent, with the view to punish. So in

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Speaker 1: March this year it was a real hot topic because

541
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Anthony Alberizi announced he was actually pushing to

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Speaker 1: criminalize the act of doxing. And this was after the

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00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: details of a WhatsApp group involving hundreds of Jewish Australians

544
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Speaker 1: were published online. So the new laws are expected to

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00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: form part of already planned changes to privacy laws, with

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Speaker 1: reports that those found guilty of doxing could serve jail time.

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00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: Can I ask, but what about those who have found

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00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: guilty of bullying and humiliating people online behind fake accounts

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00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: or their own accounts, Like why is there no punishment

550
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: for that? But there's punishment for people doxing those people?

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00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: That's what I'm confused. Well, there are laws around that,

552
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: but I think what, Well, there's decimation laws but at

553
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: the end of the day, some of these laws are

554
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: so loose and it's happening all the time that it's

555
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: hard for there to actually be any ramifications. Yeah, well

556
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: mentioned defamation, and I think there's going to be a

557
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: lot of confusion when these laws come into a fact

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00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: because doxing is very different to defamation, and we see

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00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people online who throw around accusations of defamation.

560
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: So unlike defamation laws, doxing doesn't involve spreading false or

561
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: damaging information. It involves just closing information that is accurate,

562
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: so someone's address, their contact details, and it doesn't matter

563
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: if you legally obtain the information, it is still considered

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00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: doxing someone. Now, interestingly, the new doxing laws will include

565
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: exemptions for public interest journalism, which is really important. So

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00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: that means that journalists will be able to expose injustices.

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00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: But it's going to be an interesting one to police

568
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: because then you have to look at, well, what defines

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00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: someone who is a journalist. Is it only someone who

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00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: works from major media, or because as we were discussing

571
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: before about TikTok, there's so many citizen journalists, or there's

572
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: just people with large following that likes to share their

573
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: opinion on different news stories, so it does become quite complicated.

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Speaker 1: In the case of Bella, she shared this woman's name

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00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: to one hundred and fourth Hour and People, and while

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00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: she didn't share false information because it was a screenshot

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00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: of their conversation, it could be viewed that Bella was

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00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: enticing her followers to contact the woman and harassment. So

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Speaker 1: I can see why there has been debate around her actions. Yeah,

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00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: I think I'm going to be seeing even more conversations

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00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: about doxing in the coming weeks because influencers aren't shying

582
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: away from naming and shaming people and taking the power

583
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: back into their own hands. And I think it is

584
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: because some people are taking things too far. If you

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00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: look into the proposed laws and current cyber safety legislation,

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00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 1: Bella and other influencers have a reasonable defense for naming

587
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: and shaming. So in the case of Bella, her language

588
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: wasn't threatening, so she could argue that her actions didn't

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00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: constitute menacing behavior. She could also say that her actions

590
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: weren't offensive as they were keeping within generally accepted moral

591
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: norms because she was literally calling someone out for exhibiting

592
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Speaker 1: threatening behavior and there are other defenses for doxing, which

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00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: in clue duress, necessity, and self defense. But well, she

594
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: might have seen this as self defense considering this woman

595
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: was threatening to kick her on the street if she

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00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: saw her. Well, what can sens me most about these

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00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: laws is the impact on freedom of speech. So sometimes

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00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: there are legitimate reasons for holding someone accountable for hypocritical

599
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: or even malice behavior. So what are you supposed to

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00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: do as an influencer if this one person is tinuely

601
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: bulling you, They don't care when you try and speak

602
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: reason to them. They don't care if you legally threaten them.

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00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: For some people, having their name exposed is going to

604
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: be the only thing that brings shame upon them and

605
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: makes them stop. Well, and there is a big difference

606
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: between what Bella did and other cases of docsing, and

607
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: there needs to be a clear differentiation because this proposed

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00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: law is an important one. There have been cases where

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00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: people have been harassed and docks for disagreeing with the

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00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: attitudes or opinions of particular groups, and we have seen

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00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: women targeted especially. For example, there were some women in

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00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: the gaming industry who called out issues of sexism and

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00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 1: then suddenly they were receiving death threats and also sexual

614
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: assault threats after their names and contact details will posted everywhere.

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00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: And this is a very serious issue of doxing, So

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00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: there needs to be some differentiation between somebody calling someone

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00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: out for threatening behavior and a legitimate case of doxing

618
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: like this. Yeah, but this is also going to be

619
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: very difficult to police, and it's only those with money

620
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: who will really be able to take things further.

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Speaker 2: Imagine delivering photos to us of the night before our

622
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: welcome party like this, but.

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00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: Then get delivered photos of your wedding day and you

624
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: look like this. Now, we love a bit of TikTok drama,

625
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: and this time it involves a woman who has been

626
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: dubbed the ceper Bride. You suggested this story to me, like,

627
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: oh have you heard of this Cpeer Bright? I said,

628
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: oh my god. My whole Saturday night I spent going

629
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: through all of her videos and I felt for this

630
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: woman because you spend so much money on your wedding

631
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: photos and you just want to look nice. You've invested

632
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: so much time and energy into looking nice, and when

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00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: you get photos back and you feel like you don't,

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00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: you feel like the photos don't reflect how you looked

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00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: on the day, or it wasn't how you imagine yourself

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00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: to look. It can be heartbreaking. Yeah. Well, this bride,

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00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: Alexandra Joyconder, she has gone viral after complaining about her

638
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: wedding photos. So she claimed the wedding photographers Sepia color

639
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: grating turned everything orange. She said it muddied her makeup

640
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: and it made her teeth look yellow. It did make

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00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: her teeth look yellow, Like I saw these photos, and

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00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: she's a very attractive woman. She had beautiful, bright teeth

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00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: in all of her TikTok videos, the brightest white teeth,

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Speaker 1: and then when it came to some of her wedding photos,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't all of them. It had this ghastly Sepia filter, which,

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Speaker 1: as you say, Amy, gave her yellow teeth that made

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Speaker 1: her look like she had bags under her eyes. I

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Speaker 1: would have been livid. It was very unflattering. And I

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Speaker 1: think what's happened is I mean, for some of you,

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Speaker 1: some of you may know, I work as our content

651
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Speaker 1: creator at our business, Hular Media, and recently I took

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Speaker 1: photographs for a wedding and I think, what's happened is

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Speaker 1: this woman, this photographer, she obviously has presets that she

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Speaker 1: adds to her photos, and you do take thousands of

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Speaker 1: photos on the day, and I think she has applied

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Speaker 1: this preset to every photo, but she hasn't gone in

657
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Speaker 1: and tweaked all of them appropriately. All you've got to do. Yeah,

658
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Speaker 1: and it comes down to lighting, because that preset might

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Speaker 1: look amazing when you're backlit and it's all golden and beautiful.

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Speaker 1: But it seemed to be that when this bride was

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Speaker 1: having her ceremony it was very downcast like that, it

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Speaker 1: was dark colors, and this particular golden coloring didn't look

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Speaker 1: great on the board. The thing that gets me is

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Speaker 1: this bride paid eight thousand dollars for her wedding photographer.

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Speaker 1: She also had the photographer come and take photos of

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Speaker 1: her wedding rehearsal. This, judging by the wedding, this woman

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Speaker 1: has a lot of money. Yeah, And I think that

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Speaker 1: the photographer has realized this because when the bride plane

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Speaker 1: and said, I'm sorry, these photos aren't good enough. I

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Speaker 1: don't like the filters. Can I please? Can you please

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Speaker 1: edit some more? Because she did actually say I like

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Speaker 1: some of them, Yeah, please edit these ones. I really

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Speaker 1: hate them. The photographer has turned around and said that'll

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Speaker 1: be four thousand dollars, thank you. Well. I think she

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Speaker 1: initially gave her a few edits for free or for

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Speaker 1: a smaller fee, but then she said she wanted the

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Speaker 1: raw files, which is the completely unedited files. And I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of photographers aren't really willing to give

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Speaker 1: across these photos because when you shoot in raw, the

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Speaker 1: photos don't look anything like no, like what you'd expect.

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Speaker 1: You've got a color grade, it brings you got it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think that, I mean, I think it's outrageous

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Speaker 1: that she asked for four thousand dollars. If it was me,

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Speaker 1: I just want to make the bride happy. And it

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Speaker 1: almost felt like she was gate keeping these raw files

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Speaker 1: which are the bride's memories, Like it's not like she's

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Speaker 1: done a campaign for a huge company. And because some

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Speaker 1: photographers will say that this is my intellectual property, these

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Speaker 1: raw files, but this is someone's wedding, this is our memories,

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Speaker 1: I think in this case, you hand them over. The

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Speaker 1: bride ended up getting a few raw photos back and

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Speaker 1: in one of the videos, she showed the comparison of

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Speaker 1: the CPA filter and then her own filter that she

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Speaker 1: had created, and it cracked me up because she's like,

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Speaker 1: I never used photoshop before, I have no idea about filters,

696
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Speaker 1: and I have studied. This is the commitment for a bride.

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Speaker 1: I have studied to make sure that I put a

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Speaker 1: good filter on this. And this is because no one

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Speaker 1: else gives a fuck about your adding photos once you've

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Speaker 1: posted the first one. But as the couple, you really

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Speaker 1: care because you want your one nice photo to put

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Speaker 1: on the wall. Well, there's obviously two sides to it.

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Speaker 1: Some people are very much team bride CPIA and other

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Speaker 1: people are team photographer, and the people who are team

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Speaker 1: photographer are saying, well, if you look at her instagram,

706
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Speaker 1: so her name is Hannah Elise. Her instagram promotes her

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Speaker 1: photo style as being golden, and when you look at

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Speaker 1: the catalog of her work, all of her photos have

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Speaker 1: a golden theme to them. So it's kind of confusing

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Speaker 1: what the bride was expecting. But in all honesty, the

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Speaker 1: photos on the photographer's instagram, it was poles apart from

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Speaker 1: what that girl receipts. From what the bride receipts. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't just a CPA color because when I think

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Speaker 1: of CPR, I think of like yellows and oranges like

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Speaker 1: this was harsh greens as well as orange, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the most non bridal filter that you'd ever want to see,

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Speaker 1: because when I think of bridle, I think of bright

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Speaker 1: whites and sort of muted tones, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't think of green and orange and yellow. No, you're

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Speaker 1: a monster. I'm not a monster. Here you are now, Pilly?

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Speaker 1: Where are the others? A US woman has gone viral

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Speaker 1: after appearing in a TikTok vox pop. Haley Welsh was

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Speaker 1: out with friends when she was approached by a TikToker

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Speaker 1: and asked, what was one move in bed that makes

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00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: a man go crazy? This is what she said, Ah,

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00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: you gotta give him that houck dude sped on that

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00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: man because I hadn't come across this girl in my algorithm,

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Speaker 1: and I spoke to a lot of female friends and

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00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: they were saying, oh, I haven't heard this either, but

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00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: it was actually our partners and some male friends were like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, this would be great for your podcast,

732
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: and well no, because Dale came home and was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, have you seen that hooked like girl?

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Speaker 1: That's sombar? And I'm like, what on earth are you

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Speaker 1: talking about and then Yeah, another friend of mine was

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Speaker 1: telling me about it. I said, this is honestly not

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Speaker 1: popped up in my algorithm at all. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's clear why this is being pushed to men. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: what's crazy is the original TikTok video. It has had

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Speaker 1: over one million views on one hundred and thirty six

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Speaker 1: thousand likes. But it's when people started sharing this clip

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Speaker 1: as a meme when it actually went off. So there's

743
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Speaker 1: been some videos made where people will make the noise

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00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: in front of their partner and then they'll film their

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00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: partner's reaction. There's also a lot of remixes going around

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Speaker 1: on TikTok, and even big companies like in and out Burger, Live,

747
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Speaker 1: Golf League, and the WWE have gotten involved and they've

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Speaker 1: done their own memes. And ahead of last Thursday's presidential debate,

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Speaker 1: The Daily Show also posted a video on x which

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Speaker 1: Juxta posted the hooked video alongside clips of Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: and it made it look like the pair were arguing,

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Speaker 1: I bet this girl cannot believe the reach that this

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Speaker 1: video has had. I felt really sorry for her because

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00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: there were reports coming out that she worked as a

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Speaker 1: KINDI teacher and that she'd subsequently lost her job since

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00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: this went viral. But it turns out that these were

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Speaker 1: fake reports which were made by a satirical account very

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Speaker 1: similar to the Tudor advocates the US version. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: in reality, it sounds like Hayley has done a great

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Speaker 1: job at capitalizing off this newfound fame. So she has

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Speaker 1: partnered with a brand manager who had begun selling hooked

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Speaker 1: in blazoned t hats for fifty US dollars each. Take

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Speaker 1: a shot every time, Amy says, well, they've apparently already

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Speaker 1: made around one hundred thous US dollars from the merchandise.

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Speaker 1: It is unclear, though, what cut Hailey is getting. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that there's potential that Haley could have purposely

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00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: tried to create this viral moment, because I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you cast your minds back to the chick Chick boom

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Speaker 1: girl in Australia, like that was everywhere and she gained

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Speaker 1: a lot of notoriety and it turned out to be fake,

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Speaker 1: Like she hadn't even seen the incident. She made the

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Speaker 1: whole thing to get attention. Not her favorite move in

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Speaker 1: the bedroom, Sophie, is that what you're well, potentially potentially

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Speaker 1: she's just done it for attention, But I mean I

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Speaker 1: think that there's I mean, you see it all the

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Speaker 1: time TikTokers create. I mean they you know a lot

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Speaker 1: of TikTokers will interview fake people. It goes back to

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Speaker 1: being on radio. Like when I used to work in radio,

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Speaker 1: they'd be like, oh shit, can someone ring up and

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Speaker 1: have a fake story on air? Like I do question

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Speaker 1: the genuineness of a lot of these viral moments. I

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Speaker 1: think it was genuine, and I think that that's why

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Speaker 1: it has gone viral. I don't think anyone expected it

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Speaker 1: to go so viral and for it to be so

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Speaker 1: talked about. I mean, she has just launched an Instagram

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Speaker 1: account and in the last few days it's getting over

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Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty six thousand followers. Interestingly, it has

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Speaker 1: listed her profession as being a bartender, not a kindergarten teacher.

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Speaker 1: What is it under her name or is it something

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Speaker 1: you do with this term? No, it's official Hayley Wow

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00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: Welsh name. And what's hilarious is it's just come out

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Speaker 1: today that people are saying that The Simpsons predicted the

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Speaker 1: hook tough girl. Now every time there's a big moment.

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00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: It's always like, oh, there's Simpsons, you did it. But

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Speaker 1: do you remember when Bart fell in love with his

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Speaker 1: babysitters and then this moment happened. I was going to

797
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Speaker 1: tell your fortune. Huh oh man, you're going to be rich. Whoa,

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Speaker 1: there's your mansion. There's a tennis court, and there's a

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Speaker 1: swimming pool. That is classic. They have called everything, haven't they.

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. Well, I think that's all we've got time for.

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