1 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro is Australia's most talked about influencer. At nineteen, 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: she made it big on social media when she shared 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: her fitness journey while pregnant. 4 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: This is my first blog again, so like it might 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 2: be a little bad. 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to be boring or what, 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: but hope you guys enjoy it. Tammy's life is far 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: from boring. The fitness influencer and her family are Australia's 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: answer to the Kardashians. In fact, she's even been involved 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: in a few Kardashian scandals herself. 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 3: A model explains why she had to leave Kylie Janno's 12 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 3: Los Angeles birthday party in a stretcher. 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: By sharing her life online, Tammy has attracted over twenty 14 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: million followers and built an empire worth fifty million dollars. 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: What has really kept her followers glued are her romantic relationships. 16 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: Over the last ten years, the internet has borne witness 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: to three engagements, three children, one epic wedding and now 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: a divorce. We are journalist Sophie and Kate Talbert and 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: in this special Outspoken series, we explored the real story 20 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: behind the rise of Tammy hambro When we last left you, 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: Tammy and Reese had just broken up after weeks of speculation. 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: On the eighth of June twenty eighteen, Tammy confirmed the 23 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: news to fans in a YouTube video aptly titled life Update, 24 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: we broke Up. 25 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 4: Let's throw to some of what she said. 26 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 5: So a couple months ago, or somewhere between one and 27 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 5: two months ago, I decided to end things with Greece. 28 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: He didn't cheat on me. 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 5: I didn't cheat on him. It wasn't like that at all. 30 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 5: There's just I don't honestly, I'm not going to go 31 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 5: into the ins and outs of our relationship. Obviously, we're human. 32 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 4: We're not perfect. 33 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 5: We have ups and downs like everybody else, just like you. 34 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: Tammy went on to reveal that she was unsure whether 35 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: she should make the video or not, but she had 36 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: received so many questions about her relationship status with Reese 37 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: that she didn't want people to think that she was 38 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: ignoring them, and you could tell how difficult it was 39 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: for Tammy to actually make the video. She said that 40 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: she and ree still loved each other very much and 41 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: will always be family because of the kids. She also 42 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: prefaced her kid's health and happiness came first. 43 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 6: She then said this, like it's a super hard situation, 44 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 6: especially when there's kids involved, Like everything's just a million 45 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 6: times harder than like a regular breakup. 46 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 5: In my opinion, I don't want people to think that 47 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 5: we just gave up or anything like most people would know. 48 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 6: There's a lot more to relationships. 49 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 5: Relationships are very complex. 50 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: It's interesting because a few times during the video she 51 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: said that they were currently broken up, which made it 52 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: sound like there was some room for reconciliation. She also 53 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: explained that she had taken a while to speak about 54 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: it because they were still working. 55 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 4: On things on their own. 56 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: When this news broke, there were so many fans who 57 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: were devastated because they were absolutely invested in this relationship. 58 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: Tammy and Reese had really painted themselves as this hashtag 59 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: couple goals. They were living the life that so many 60 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: people wanted to live with this young family, and they 61 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: were incredibly glamorous. There were also a lot of disillusioned 62 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: fans who felt as though they had been lied to 63 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: and accused the couple of portraying a perfect relationship when 64 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: in reality it was clearly far from the truth. Yeah, 65 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 1: and this was a big turning point for Tammy hembro 66 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 1: so iphy as you said a lot of people were 67 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: disillusioned by her content. I mean, we've got to remember 68 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: this was in twenty eighteen as well, so seven years 69 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: ago when people weren't so savvy about online relationships, and 70 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: also the fact that a lot of influencers just share 71 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: their highlight reel. In July, Re shared his own statement 72 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: about the breakup to his YouTube channel. At the time, 73 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 1: he was holidaying in Bali with his best friends. Here's 74 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: a snippet of what he said. 75 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 7: So obviously, I definitely need to address a few things 76 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 7: with all of you guys. Tear Me uploaded the YouTube 77 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 7: video a little while ago about us breaking up. I 78 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 7: don't really know why she did or, you know, one 79 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 7: hundred percent, I didn't really want it to happen, And 80 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 7: you know, it's been a pretty rough couple of months 81 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 7: trying to deal with the fact, you know, like rejection. 82 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 7: I guess it is I've been rejected by someone. So 83 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 7: that's been kind of rough. It's been probably the hardest, 84 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 7: you know, two three months of my life. Like I said, 85 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 7: I'm not sure why one hundred percent why We were 86 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 7: having a few disagreements and things. But yeah, again, it 87 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 7: wasn't just it wasn't my decision. And you guys can 88 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 7: ask her as to why, because. 89 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 8: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna. 90 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 7: Try and you say an opinion that might not be true. 91 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 7: I just don't know. 92 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: It's interesting that he released this video a couple of 93 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: months after the breakup and was still claiming that he 94 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: didn't fully know why Tami broke up with him. I 95 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: think it was a bit of a strategy to try 96 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: and shift the narrative and make himself the victim because 97 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: he was really pulling at the heart strings by saying 98 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: that he was rejected and blindsided. Now, two months after 99 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: the breakup announcement, Tammy Hembro hit rock bottom. She made 100 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: headlines when she was stretchered out of Kylie Jenna's twenty 101 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: first birthday party after she reportedly collapsed. Unfortunately for Tammy, 102 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: paparazzi were waiting out the front of the venue and 103 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: photographed her face down on the stretcher. The incident actually 104 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: happened before Kylie Jenna had even arrived at the party. 105 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: I remember when this story broke at the time that 106 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: there was a lot of speculation as to who this 107 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: guest was at the party because, as you mentioned, Kate, 108 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: Tammy was lying face down on the stretcher. So it 109 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: led to a big guessing game. And I think that 110 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: this made the story even bigger when it was then 111 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: revealed that it was Tammy. 112 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 5: Yeah. 113 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: I feel for Tammy in this situation. It's like it's 114 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: a guessing game and you're hoping that no one knew. 115 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 4: It was you now. 116 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: Tammy was invited to Kylie's twenty first after striking up 117 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: a friendship with the Kardashians after she modeled for Chloe's 118 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: brand Good American, and it was actually Chloe who was 119 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: a fan of Tammy. So Chloe followed Tammy's fitness journey 120 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: and publicly stated that Tammy had influenced her own fitness journey. 121 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: It was in late twenty seventeen when Chloe's team reached 122 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: out to Tammy and asked her to model for the 123 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: Brandon Tammy documented the whole Good American shoot as well 124 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: as her meeting Chloe. Let's have a listen. 125 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: Clean Chloe herself. 126 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: What I just had to shoot with her. 127 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 3: I don't know how amazing look for her and you go, 128 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: langs are anything I would pay for a wait, you guys, 129 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 3: I can't. 130 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: This just shows the international reach that Tammy Hembro has. 131 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: I think living in Australia, you forget just how many 132 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: followers she has all over the world. 133 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 7: Yeah. 134 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: Well, her connection to the Kardashians also helped her grow 135 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: even further. 136 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 7: Now. 137 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: Following the incident at Kylie Jenner's birthday party, media reported 138 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: that the Kardashians weren't happy with Tammy and claimed that 139 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: Kim Courtney Care and Chris all unfollowed her, while Kylie 140 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: and Chloe remained following. Kylie, Jennet nor any of the 141 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: Kardashians have actually ever publicly commented on the event. Now. 142 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: At the time, this Stretcher incident was absolutely massive, Kate. 143 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: It made global headlines, and Tammy ended up releasing a 144 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: now deleted YouTube video explaining what happened. Here's some of 145 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: what she said. 146 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: So basically what happened is I was in LA I 147 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: was running off pretty much thirty hours no sleep. I 148 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: was struggling to stay wait, even when I was getting 149 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: my hair and makeup done, I was literally sitting that 150 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: like falling asleep, like I could barely keep my eyes open. 151 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: Tammy went on to say she should not have been 152 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: drinking when she had such little sleep. Interestingly, she blamed 153 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: her impulsive behavior on her recent breakup with Rhys Hawkins. 154 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: I think because of the breakup, I've been trying to 155 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: keep myself busy and not really taking time to think 156 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: about how I'm actually feeling or focusing on myself kind 157 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: of thing. 158 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: Tammy ended the video by calling out the trolling she'd 159 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: been receiving. 160 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 4: She ended up breaking down. 161 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: In tears when she thanked her supporters. 162 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 4: Let's take a listen. 163 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: Another thing I wanted to bring up is just people 164 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: trolling or being nasty or making up things just for 165 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: no good reason. I mean, I personally could never imagine 166 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: attacking someone or judging someone for something like this. Thank you, 167 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: guys for all the people who have sent supportive and 168 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: kind messages. I'm super grateful for it because I know 169 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: I have a lot of true fans. 170 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 4: Well. 171 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: Tammy experienced a lot of trolling over this incident. She 172 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: also received an outpouring of support. Fans on Twitter came 173 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: out in defense of her, with one writing Tammy hembro 174 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: only broke up with the man she was meant to 175 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: marry recently. Let the woman be a drunkards bitch in 176 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: these Another said, Tammy hembro getting unfollowed by the Kardashians 177 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: for being too drunk and vomiting at their event is 178 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: absolutely iconic. I want to be. 179 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 4: Her friend. 180 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 5: Now. 181 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: Tammy recently shed more light on the incident in her book. 182 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: She called the moment her rock bottom and said she 183 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: went from media darling to public enemy. As for the night, 184 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: she said it was highly stressful and embarrassing, and claimed 185 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: that she only had one or two drinks before she collapsed. 186 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: I don't know do we actually believe that. I mean, 187 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: I'd like to think she's telling the truth. She says 188 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: she had very little sleep. But do we think the 189 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: Kardashians didn't fly her over in business class? Well, I 190 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: think it's all a bit of an excuse. We've got 191 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: to remember Tammy would have only been twenty four at 192 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: the time she'd been flown over by the Kardashians to 193 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: attend this birthday party. She'd just broken up with her 194 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: baby daddy and fiance. Who isn't getting on the drinks 195 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: at an event like that. I'm sure all of the 196 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: drinks would have been paid for. I mean, do we 197 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: really blame her. I feel sorry for it be so humiliating, 198 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: because she said she woke up in hospital to find 199 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: that there were these pictures published of her being carried 200 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: out of the party on a stretch, and in her book, 201 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: she wrote, I kept telling myself there is only up 202 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: from here. It was a very dark time and I 203 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: had to shut out the trolls and the hate I 204 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: was getting. I understand that this would be bad for 205 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: her image, considering she was pushing this very clean eating, 206 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: healthy fitness influencer esthetic. But I think that it also 207 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: got her more known internationally. I'd be interested to know 208 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: how many extra followers she got off the back of 209 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: this incident. 210 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of a case of all. 211 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: Publicity is good publicity, particularly when you're juxtaposition next to 212 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: the Kardashians. Now, two months after the incident, Reese Hawkins 213 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: announced he had a new girlfriend, American model London Gowan. 214 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: Now it's rumored that London was sliding into Reese's dms 215 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: before Tammy had even posted their break up video. After 216 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: Reese broke the news, Tammy ended up sharing a cryptic 217 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: quote on Instagram. We know she loves a bit of 218 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: a quote, which read breakup's hurt, but losing someone who 219 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: doesn't respect and appreciate you is actually again not all loss. 220 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: She did end up leading the post, though shortly afterwards. 221 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: She followed it up though with an Instagram story saying, man, 222 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: if people knew the truth about some people biting my 223 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: tongue so hard, It's going to bleed when I'm done. 224 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,599 Speaker 1: London ended up going back at Tammy and posted a 225 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: selfie with the caption hey hate you you I don't 226 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: like your girlfriend. Those, of course, are iconic Avril Lavigne lyrics. 227 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: That post was also swiftly deleted. Tammy ended up ignoring 228 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: London's potshot, and she took the higher road instead. She 229 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: posted a selfie with her kids, Wolf and Saskia with 230 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: the caption I wanted to spend each moment of the 231 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: day with you now. Following the cryptic post, Tammy gave 232 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: an interview to a magazine and said, you have a 233 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: picture of what you think your life is going to 234 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: be like, and then circumstances change and people changed too. 235 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: We were young when we got together and still figuring 236 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: things out. 237 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 4: I think when people. 238 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: Are weighing in on your personal life or you're trying 239 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: to understand things yourself. It can feel like a lot 240 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: of pressure. I share so much of my life, so 241 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: I understand that my followers online wanted to know what 242 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: was going on. People were wanting to know what happened 243 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: before we even knew what was going on. As for 244 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: Tammy's love life, it was rumored that she was in 245 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: and on again off again romance with Canadian rapper Juquoy 246 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: Palmer around the time of this hard launch. Now things 247 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: started to get nasty around this point. A month later, 248 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: Reese publicly criticized Tammy's approach to sharing their children online. 249 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: During Instagram Q and A. Someone wrote in saying, where 250 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: are your kids, mate? Why out there wasting time instead 251 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: of being a dad? Reese responded saying, I've seen my 252 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: kids every day last week. I just don't feel the 253 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: need to post them all the time. They're getting older 254 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: and have their own personalities, and they can choose if 255 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: they want to be posted or not when they're a 256 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: bit older. I just let them be kids and try 257 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: and enjoy my time with them on the days I 258 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: get to spend time and see them. 259 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 4: For now. Now, This wasn't the first time. 260 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: Reese revealed he didn't like his children being online. Shortly 261 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: after the split, at a pr event, Rees said within 262 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: the next twelve months, I'll take my children off all 263 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: of my social media just because they're starting to get 264 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: their own personalities and things like that. I don't want 265 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: to force them into anything they don't want to do, 266 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: or make them take a picture when they don't want to. 267 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: They're their own people. They're not babies anymore, people recognize them. 268 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: It'd be really tough to navigate. What do you do 269 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: when two parents have conflicting views about how they want 270 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: to share their children online, particularly when they're not together anymore, 271 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: and particularly when one of the parents has seventeen million followers. 272 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: It seemed like it was just a way for Reese 273 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: to have a bit of a dig at Tammy, though, 274 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: because he was complicit in sharing them when they were together. 275 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: Things really went full circle in January twenty nineteen, when 276 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: rumors emerged the Tammy was dating Kylie Jenner's ex boyfriend 277 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: Tiger after being spotted kissing him at the Rolling Loud 278 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: festival in Sydney. She was also seen following the rapper 279 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: around Australia during his tour and hanging out backstage. Now, 280 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: in terms of a timeline. Kylie Jenner dated Tiger two 281 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: years earlier, so there wasn't a close crossover, but it 282 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: clearly would have hissed Kylie off considering they were friends 283 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: well close enough, and it also would have backed up 284 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: these rumors that the Kardashians weren't. 285 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 4: Happy with her. 286 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 1: Tiger is someone who doesn't mind dating within the same circles. 287 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: His ex girlfriend, Black China famously dated Rob Kardashian and 288 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: they actually had a baby together. 289 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 4: Now. 290 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: Tammy and Tiger's relationship is believed to have lasted around 291 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: ten months, with Tiger even writing a song about Tammy. 292 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: The song is called wet Wies, very romantic and as 293 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: you can probably tell by the title, it's an X 294 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: rated song about a sexual encounter with a woman called Tammy. 295 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: Let's play a snippet so we don't have to read 296 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: out the lyrics. 297 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 9: Ibing that as you about make it go, don't stop, 298 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 9: let me up outside of in and out blacking lot 299 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 9: is topped off top bound cup like the capers. Don't 300 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 9: say a clack and that came on the that name 301 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 9: the damn damp he danced, he dance you nass you 302 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 9: no pan, no pan get a wet wave that'll come 303 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 9: a handy and the pussy here, bitch, you just have 304 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 9: a grammy. 305 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: When you hear the someone's written a song about you, 306 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: you probably get all excited thinking it's this great love song, 307 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: and then to hear those lyrics, I personally wouldn't be 308 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: thrilled about it. It is kind of iconic in a way, though, Like, 309 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, she's known for her ass, I mean, he's 310 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: meant to the lyrics now. Tammy later confirmed on her 311 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: podcast Hanging with the Hembros that the song was about her, 312 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: and she said she had approved the lyrics, but admitted 313 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: that they had been blown out of proportion. She also 314 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: went on to claim that she and Tiger were just friends, 315 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: saying that people are ridiculous and that she's literally just 316 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: friends with him. She said, I've been to a bunch 317 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: of his shows and I'm just friends with people that 318 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: he's friends with. So again, take a shot every time 319 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: she said friends. How can she say that though, when 320 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: she confirmed that the song lyrics were about her and 321 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: that she had approved them, like, it doesn't really make 322 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: a whole lot of sense, But she's saying that it's 323 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: just a made up scenario and it's all a bit 324 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: of a laugh. Well, it appears to Tammy's relationship with 325 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: Tiger hit a nerve with Reese Hawkins. A month after 326 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: the relationship rumors surfaced, Reese called Tammy out on his 327 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: Instagram story. His main gripe was to do with Tammy 328 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: repossessing his range Rover. Let's have a listen to what 329 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: he said. 330 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 8: Basically, nothing has gone to plan or ended well, and 331 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 8: I just wanted to let you guys know that I 332 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 8: basically I've tried really really hard to it's my separation 333 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 8: from my ex and everything like that, to get it 334 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 8: settled and be amicable. 335 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:42,239 Speaker 10: And so, yeah, sadly I lost my range Rover yesterday. 336 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 10: They got repossessed and she decided that I didn't need 337 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 10: that either. So I don't have a car to even 338 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 10: pick my kids up anymore. 339 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 4: I mean, why should. 340 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: Tammy be paying for this guy's range Rover. Take it 341 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: off the guy. He can get around in something else. 342 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 4: No sympathy there from you. 343 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 7: So no. 344 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: I actually remember this story coming out because it was 345 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: around the time that we thought about launching a podcast, 346 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, there's just so many 347 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: great stories like this out there because This was a 348 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: massive story at the time. Well Reese went on to 349 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: claim that Tammy was planning to sue him, and he 350 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: also accused her of quote following musicians around America. Obviously 351 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: that's a dig about Tiger. Reese later told The Daily 352 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: Mail as well that he was in a bitter war 353 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: with Tammy and said at the moment there was no 354 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: contact now. Tammy was quick to hit back on her 355 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: own Instagram story, saying. 356 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 11: This, Okay, so I'm not about to add my dirty 357 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 11: launch on social media. 358 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: I don't think it's appropriate to talk about some things. 359 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 11: I don't want to put anyone in the negative light, 360 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 11: especially the father of my kids, no matter, no matter what, 361 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 11: I'm just I'm not gonna do that. But basically in 362 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 11: response to a car thing that he's talking about, that's 363 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 11: not the full story. 364 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: She prefers that she didn't want to speak badly about 365 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: the father of her kids. She did provide a bit 366 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: of a burn at the end. She said, if I'm 367 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: letting someone use my range Rover, they shouldn't expect me 368 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: to pay their speeding fines and registration. Simple as that. 369 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: And she has a very good point. It's quite ironic 370 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: at the start of that Instagram story that Tammy said 371 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: she wasn't about airing people's dirty laundry, but. 372 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 4: Then added that little dig in at the end. It 373 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 4: seemed to be. 374 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: More at play here than just the range Rover, though, 375 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: because the main issue seemed to be that Tammy wanted 376 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: to move to la but Reese didn't want to. According 377 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: to Reese, Tammy promised the car to him to convince 378 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: him to move with her. However, when things didn't work 379 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: out with Tiger, Tammy apparently changed her mind about moving 380 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: and subsequently about Reese having the car. It's really confusing 381 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: to look back at this now, as Reese ended up 382 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: trying to move to the US with London and his 383 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: son Stone, and he now lives in Balley, away from 384 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: all three of his children now. After a seven month 385 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: hiatus from Ujue, Reese returned to the platform at the 386 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: end of August twenty nineteen to share about how his 387 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: breakup with Tammy had affected him, and he was very 388 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: candid in this chat. He admitted that it had been 389 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: the hardest period of his life. In the now deleted YouTube, 390 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: he said, the past year has been super fucked up. 391 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: It's been a hard time I'm not going to lie. 392 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: I've had a couple of bouts of depression and anxiety. 393 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: I've actually been put on mild antidepressants just to help 394 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: me get back everything. I've struggled to eat for a 395 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: long time. A lot of you guys would have seen 396 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: how much weight I lost because of the depression I 397 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: was going through. Reese explained over the last year he 398 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: had to move three times so he could be near 399 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: his kids. 400 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 4: He said he'd just. 401 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: Gotten back from la and revealed there had been a 402 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: change of plants. He said he was still waiting on 403 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: a few things with the kids, but things never panned 404 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: out over there. He then said, I ended up coming 405 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: back to Australia because I need to be well. I'm 406 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: trying to be quite involved with the kids now. At 407 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: the time, Tammy was in the US with MTV Australia 408 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: working at the Video Music Awards. Now, if we fast 409 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: forward to February twenty twenty, it appears like a lot 410 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: had been going on behind the scenes because Tammy and 411 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: Reese were suddenly on better terms. Reese even appeared in 412 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: one of Tammy's YouTube videos when he was picking up 413 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: the kids for them to come and stay with him, 414 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 1: and in this video, Tammy said that she and Reese 415 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: were now on friendly terms after years of fighting. 416 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 11: Right now, we're going to Daddy's house. Wolf's school bag 417 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 11: is out Reese's so I've got. 418 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 9: To go get it. 419 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: Look good. We're friends, guys. Do you love that us? 420 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 8: Look going to be like this is awkward? 421 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 4: Oh my god, no, they will be. 422 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 11: I don't know, guys, We're actually friends now. 423 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: Reese's so nice to me now, aren't you tell them? 424 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: Tell them how nice. 425 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 7: I've always race. 426 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 5: I think we should do a video together about like 427 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 5: co parenting. 428 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: I take that as he are. Tammy then told the 429 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: camera that Reese is just so nice to her now. 430 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: She said, me and Reese weren't getting along for the 431 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: longest time. We broke up so so long ago now, 432 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: and it took us pretty much this long to start 433 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: getting along. It is what I've always wanted, So I 434 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: am really happy. One person who wasn't happy about it, though, 435 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: was London, Reese's girlfriend. In an Instagram Q and A, 436 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: she was asked how she felt about Tammy's vlog. Let's 437 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: have a listen to what she said. 438 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 12: Funny question. I feel it was very put on and 439 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 12: do get me, which is fine. I don't care for 440 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 12: the drama. It's a little ridiculous, but you know. 441 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: I think it's important to put it out there that 442 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: London and Reese were still very much together when she 443 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: shared this Q and A yeah, she clearly wasn't happy 444 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: with him at the time. She even answered a question 445 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: about what triggers her and Reese's fights. I don't think 446 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: she was that honest though, because she admitted that of course, 447 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: like every couple, they fight, but then claim their biggest 448 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: fight was over food. I think it's probably over Tammy. 449 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: As expected, Tammy's fans went off at London, which then 450 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: forced Reese to address the incident on his own YouTube channel. 451 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: In the now deleted video, Reese apologized for his past 452 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: actions following his split from Tammy. He also said it 453 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: was him dragging London into the drama with his ex. 454 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,719 Speaker 1: He also said he was the one who dragged London 455 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: into the drama with his ex and was to blame 456 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: for making her feel insecure enough for her to come 457 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: at Tammy on social media. He then claimed everyone was 458 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: all good friends now now. As you can imagine, Rhees 459 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: copped a lot of backlash over his comments, and not 460 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: long after, he deleted the video alongside all the videos 461 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: on his YouTube channel. Now, on the first of August 462 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, London revealed that Reese had popped the question 463 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: to her in Port Douglas. 464 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 7: Now. 465 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: The couple were staying at the Sheraton Grand Mirage Resort 466 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: and they got engaged in their room before heading down 467 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: to dinner in the ballroom. I do want to inject 468 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 1: myself into this story here. This is where I went 469 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: for my honeymoon, so you'd be very familiar with these rooms. 470 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: Perhaps you stayed in the room that Breees proposed to London. 471 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: Who knows now? London shared photos of the couple showing 472 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: off the ring with the caption Forever and Always Baby. 473 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 4: Reheese shared the. 474 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: News, but only on his Instagram story, not on his 475 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: main grid, and he only just linked back to London's post. 476 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: He didn't make a post of his own. I feel 477 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: like that's because he was having a bit of a 478 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: social media blackout, though he probably thought it looked a 479 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: bit hypocritical him deleting everything off YouTube and then suddenly 480 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: posting about his private life. Now, the ring in question 481 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: was a Tiffany and co cushion cut halo yellow diamond 482 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: on a platinum band. The ring was estimated to be 483 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 1: worth a whopping fifteen to twenty six thousand dollars. Why 484 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: do I feel like, now in twenty twenty five, that's 485 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: actually not that much? 486 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 4: Are you serious? That is a huge amount of money 487 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 4: on it. 488 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: He's an enormous amount of money. But I feel like 489 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: we are seeing the most ridiculous rings shared on social media. 490 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: That being said, most of them now are lab diamonds. Well, 491 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: I was going to say that, I think we're only 492 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: seeing bigger rings at the moment because people are buying 493 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: lab diamonds. I mean, Brittany Hockley revealed that hers was 494 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: a lab diamond. It's actually a really ethical way, and 495 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: the ring looks exactly the same. 496 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 497 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: I've been wondering why so many influencers have Kim Kardashian 498 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: sized engagement rings now, because you're like, surely they're not 499 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: making that much money. 500 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 10: Yeah. 501 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 9: Well. 502 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: A month later, on the second of September twenty twenty, 503 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,719 Speaker 1: recent London announced they were expecting their first child together. 504 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: London shared a photo of her and Reese kissing with 505 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: the caption being busy growing a baby in my belly 506 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: with this one, what about you? Reese ended up sharing 507 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: an update of his own, this time he wrote baby 508 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: Mama Alert. Having a baby with the love of my 509 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: life and my best friend. It does put this proposal 510 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: into perspective a little bit and why there was perhaps 511 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: a rush for him to pop the question now. London 512 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: ended up surprising her followers by revealing she would be 513 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: sharing her pregnancy journey on Only Fans Now. At the time, 514 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: I feel like we had only just started hearing about 515 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 1: OnlyFans and it still had the connotation though, of being 516 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: sexually explicit content that was being shared. So this seemed 517 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: kind of wrong to physic at pregnancy journey on there. 518 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, it did shock a lot of people. 519 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: London explained more in her announcement, saying, We've also been 520 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: harassed to the point where we've had to seek legal 521 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: action a few times due to harassment, bulling and stalking 522 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: over the last year. With that being said, I've decided 523 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to share my pregnancy journey on another platform 524 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: where I feel safe and positive. Oh, come on, it's 525 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: not the fact that you're making a lot of money 526 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: off this subscription model that that's why you want to 527 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: share it on there. If you were being harassed and 528 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: you felt like your safety was in question, would you 529 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: perhaps just not share your pregnancy journey? I know. I'd 530 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: love to know how many people actually signed up to this. 531 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: I'm assuming the Daily Mail did, and a lot of 532 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: other publications. It also sounds super critical because Reese was 533 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: sounding off about Tammy basically exploiting their children and sharing 534 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: them across social media, but then he's happy to do 535 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,679 Speaker 1: the same with this unborn child for money, I know. 536 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: Hours after this pregnancy announcement went live, Tammy posted a 537 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: very telling update on her own Instagram story. In the video, 538 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: she mimed to the song Pressure in My Palms by 539 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: Amney Now. The lyrics said, I hate a bit who 540 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 1: thinks a baby finner keep a n I hate you 541 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 1: ho Okay, I mean the message is pretty loud and 542 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: clear there. She's not happy about this. It was very 543 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: awkward for London because at the time of her pregnancy announcement, 544 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: super Sluice uncovered screenshots of her liking and commenting on 545 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: old family photos of Reese and Tammy when they were together. 546 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: So she wrote such a babe, oh my god, and 547 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: obsessed with the little Family. It was also revealed that 548 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: London had been liking Reese's photos since March twenty seventeen. 549 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 4: That is so awkward. 550 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: Can you imagine how embarrassed you would be when this 551 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: news came out? Oh this is just a rookie era, 552 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: isn't it. If you are going to date someone whose 553 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: family you've been a fan of, go and do a 554 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: bit of a clean out, make sure that you haven't 555 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: liked any of the posts and delete any comments. And 556 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: it adds a little bit of validity to the rumors 557 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: that she slid into Reese's DMS before Tammy and him 558 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: had really broken up. 559 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 4: Was like, gotcha, do you reckon? 560 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 1: She also found the comments or it really was super salutes. Yeah, 561 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: you've got a good point there. Maybe Tammy was the 562 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: one that was searching through trying to find the dirt 563 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: on London. 564 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 11: Now. 565 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: The same week London announced her pregnancy was Father's Day, 566 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 1: and Tammy used the occasion to take a swipe at Reese. 567 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 4: So she uploaded a. 568 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: Selfie with Saskia to her Instagram story with the caption 569 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: Happy Father's Day to all the single mammas and boss 570 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: bitches doing it all. London was quick to fire back 571 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: using her own Instagram story. So she shared a picture 572 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: of Reese with Wolf and Saskia with the caption best Daddy. Well, 573 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: I was all getting very petty, isn't it? And that 574 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: is where we're going to leave things today. Next time, 575 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: we are diving into the era of Matt Pool, or 576 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: as Tammy fans like to call him, Matt the First. 577 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,880 Speaker 1: This episode has everything an engagement, a baby, a breakup, 578 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: and even a reality TV show film crew. Thank you 579 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: again for listening to Outspoken. This podcast was recorded on 580 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: the traditional land of the Ghana people of the Adelaide Plains. 581 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: We pay respect to elders past and present.