Speaker 1: I'm back in our studios, back together, the automotive Industry's
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. Thanks, thanks for coming in cackles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm not pretending to be a murdering journalist.
Speaker 1: Either, am I. I've said that from the start. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck I'm doing.
Speaker 3: I'm glad this has not been six months now, no
Speaker 3: between dranks.
Speaker 1: Good to see you. You've cleaned up. You've really cleaned
Speaker 1: your habit up. You're not living in the box anymore. Actually,
Speaker 1: that's a lie. Geelong is a how is that joint going?
Speaker 2: It's a moment, Yeah, mainly leaving it.
Speaker 1: Are you in Caria? Are you in?
Speaker 2: You know they call me the King of Kiah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got you the big dog. Actually, I remember
Speaker 1: when I was living in Geelong. I was driving a
Speaker 1: dats in two sixties that at the time, and because
Speaker 1: literally it would take me half a tank to get
Speaker 1: to Geelong and half a ten to get to Melbourne.
Speaker 1: So I would stop in at the servo just sort
Speaker 1: of you know the pullover where just outside cryo there,
Speaker 1: and as you're coming in it's like a slip lane.
Speaker 1: This fucking idiot was driving up like the split lane
Speaker 1: at like one hundred k's an hour, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what is it? Nearly took me right, and so I
Speaker 1: remember I tootored my horn at him and he stopped
Speaker 1: at the lights. He could have made it, but he
Speaker 1: decided to stop. I'm behind him, and as I'm about
Speaker 1: twenty meters behind him, he comes out of his car
Speaker 1: with a crowbar. It was like dog man off I
Speaker 1: current affair back. I'm like, okay, please, please, please, don't
Speaker 1: hurt my precious car. And I didn't hurt you can't
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 2: No, you were pretty good about it.
Speaker 3: I did have to smack you with a rolled up
Speaker 3: newspaper that does sound like Geelong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting spot. I did miss it. Actually, I remember starting.
Speaker 1: I used to start. I worked at the radio station
Speaker 1: there and I look, okay, right, it doesn't rock, it rocks.
Speaker 1: I remember I'd start on a Saturday morning. I'd do
Speaker 1: the weekend shift as well, and be walking in to
Speaker 1: the radio station at five in the morning. And I
Speaker 1: was living just up near Geelong Geelong Hospital and it's
Speaker 1: like a five minute walk if that so, it's a
Speaker 1: five minute walk. So I'm walking down five in the
Speaker 1: morning and literally got like attempted to be jumped by
Speaker 1: about six blokes just chasing me to fucking work and
Speaker 1: as and back then the bottom of the radio station
Speaker 1: was a bank, and so you take the elevator up
Speaker 1: to the radio station. So quickly jumped in the quickly
Speaker 1: got into the sort of bottom complex elevator. Sorry, the
Speaker 1: sliding glass doors open. Quickly press the close button and
Speaker 1: just like it was like a movie, just as they
Speaker 1: were coming up banging on the doors. Oh Jesus, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought it was a strange thing for my mum
Speaker 1: to do, but yeah it was. Look geelong times, man, gee,
Speaker 1: long times. Yeah, what's been happening with you?
Speaker 2: What has been going on? Oh? We both recently drove
Speaker 2: the Iron five in. Oh my god, such a good car,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: That is the greatest electric car, at least the greatest
Speaker 1: performance electric car there is. It's yes, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's immensely perfect. It's just so great in every way.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: They've done such a good job with it.
Speaker 3: I actually I had the chance to drive the RN
Speaker 3: twenty two E, which was the prototype for the On
Speaker 3: five in, at an event in Germany a year or
Speaker 3: two ago, and I was blown away with that that's
Speaker 3: when they were still playing around with gearshifts and stuff.
Speaker 3: Then I got to drive it in Sweden when they
Speaker 3: were doing the final stages of the ice testing for
Speaker 3: the stability controls, and I was really impressed with it.
Speaker 3: Then when we drove the final vehicle, actually because I
Speaker 3: did think at the time the gear shifts and some
Speaker 3: of the stuff that they had was a bit gimmicky.
Speaker 3: ORE didn't know how it would work. When we drove
Speaker 3: the final vehicle, I was blown away with how well
Speaker 3: everything was integrated.
Speaker 1: Well you know what that was I saw on Kodogan's podcast.
Speaker 1: That was that particular segment of the car I think
Speaker 1: was developed at least helped developed by an Australian guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tim, Yeah, he was basically with that team that
Speaker 3: developed that car under the leadership of Albert Bierman, who
Speaker 3: was the former boss of him. And to me, when
Speaker 3: he puts his name to something, if it's shit, he
Speaker 3: doesn't want to know about it. And in this instance,
Speaker 3: I think that he showed that they can really do
Speaker 3: a performance ev And what's become evident since then when
Speaker 3: we drove it at the proving ground, we're able to
Speaker 3: do like seven farst slaps when it was quite hot
Speaker 3: and it had no power degradation. The brakes were fantastic.
Speaker 3: Some cars you get one lap in of the right
Speaker 3: and handling track and they will begin falling apart and
Speaker 3: break fades like it was just garbage. So that end
Speaker 3: is a bona fide electric car. And even to the
Speaker 3: point now where Tesla they held the release of the
Speaker 3: Model three Performance. All three Performance was then released and
Speaker 3: it has just been a steaming pile of the pool
Speaker 3: in terms of the reviews from people who actually drive
Speaker 3: like it's meant to be driven. So it is interesting
Speaker 3: that Tesla will now need to go back to the
Speaker 3: drawing board and probably pull apart in Iro five and
Speaker 3: to figure out how to make an electric car that
Speaker 3: doesn't suck when it comes to performance driving.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went in the Tesla Performance and I was like,
Speaker 1: it just it didn't feel like even that much of
Speaker 1: a jump from the old one. Yeah, it didn't even
Speaker 1: feel like a like a two point Ohero, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But that I actually can I say as well, Tesla.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: My video might be out by the time this podcast
Speaker 3: is out, but Tesla, they are just such conniving connivers.
Speaker 2: Because they excuse.
Speaker 1: Me for a second, sorry, yes, what really, Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: take him out. I'll take him out for you. For you,
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson, is that you do no worries. Sorry, go on.
Speaker 3: So typically when we take a car to the proving
Speaker 3: ground to film our video content, we let them know
Speaker 3: that it's a private road and some insurers don't cover it,
Speaker 3: and in the past with Tesla, they've put speed.
Speaker 2: Limitters on their cars for some bizarre reason.
Speaker 3: So this time around, we had the Model three Performance
Speaker 3: lined up for a review and we said to them, look,
Speaker 3: you just need to make sure you remove the speed limitter,
Speaker 3: and they go, you know, we'll need to get approval.
Speaker 3: And just so you know, we're not allowing you to
Speaker 3: test track mode. I'm like, what the fuck why we're
Speaker 3: on a track and yeah, we test cars. One of
Speaker 3: my other colleagues literally took it to a racetrack and
Speaker 3: they would have let him test track mode and he
Speaker 3: cooked the brakes on the car and said it in
Speaker 3: his video, and they wouldn't allow us to test track mode.
Speaker 3: It's like he's had a fucking track, Like, how much
Speaker 3: more track mode track do you need? So anyway, I
Speaker 3: said to her look, we're not going to take the car,
Speaker 3: then I'll just go rent one or get one off
Speaker 3: someone who owns one. Because if you can't stand behind
Speaker 3: your product and you're too scared for us to actually
Speaker 3: test it, then I can tell you right now your
Speaker 3: product is going to absolutely suck it. I don't even
Speaker 3: need to drive it. So I just think Tesla has
Speaker 3: just become so wrapped up in its own bs that,
Speaker 3: you know, it's just really quite frustrating when you can't
Speaker 3: actually test the car.
Speaker 2: It's like why bother putting a car out to test?
Speaker 2: All they do is give them out to influences.
Speaker 3: We go, oh, it's so great, it's so quick, Like,
Speaker 3: put did your test, You drive it around for a
Speaker 3: little bit, and that was it. We're going to actually
Speaker 3: test it so that if you do want to buy
Speaker 3: it and take it to a track for the advertised
Speaker 3: track mode, you'll know that it is going to last
Speaker 3: a lap, which it just hasn't been able to do
Speaker 3: it so far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, yeah, when we go if we
Speaker 1: go back to the Ionic Fi, then there is such
Speaker 1: sophistication in that car, both in an engineering aspect and
Speaker 1: a design aspect. And I think just the imagination too
Speaker 1: behind it. I know that sounds weird, but the fact
Speaker 1: that someone thought, why don't we make this car really
Speaker 1: feel like a performance ice car? And it really does,
Speaker 1: and it freaks you out how accurate they've got this too,
Speaker 1: Like everything from the pool when you're changing gears, to
Speaker 1: the revs to just there. It's so hard to get
Speaker 1: a normal performance ice car, I guess, to feel a
Speaker 1: road so well. Yet they've done it kind of in
Speaker 1: a digital way, if that makes sense. Ye, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: No, they've done an unreal job.
Speaker 3: So the only downside to that is the price, especially
Speaker 3: with Tesla's repricing of the Model three Performance. So when
Speaker 3: I first bought a Model three Performance, it was one
Speaker 3: hundred and about one hundred and five on the road.
Speaker 3: So now the Model three Performance, because they've gutted the price,
Speaker 3: is like eighty two grand or something plus on roads.
Speaker 3: The Onic five Event is one hundred and ten or
Speaker 3: one hundred and eleven plus on roads. So it is
Speaker 3: definitely a much better cast, significantly better in every way
Speaker 3: than a Model three Performance. But is it that much better?
Speaker 3: I don't like. Yeah, likely it is, but can you
Speaker 3: justify spending an extra thirty grand and look, to me,
Speaker 3: I think you can. But I just don't think they'll
Speaker 3: be able to sell it to the masses because I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people will look at that and go, well,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to spend an extra thirty grand. I'll
Speaker 3: just get the Tesla instead, because a lot of people
Speaker 3: won't access the stuff that the end does.
Speaker 1: I think this car, I think this is the sort
Speaker 1: of car, even being an ev it sits with a
Speaker 1: certain bracket, and I don't actually think it sits next
Speaker 1: to a.
Speaker 2: Tesla, No, exactly, this is the thing.
Speaker 3: It actually sits next to faster internal combustion cars, which
Speaker 3: are all significantly more expensive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is clear as day.
Speaker 1: And so that's what I'm saying though, So I thinks
Speaker 1: that problem right, I think, in no respect, one hundred
Speaker 1: and ten, one hundred and twenty thousand isn't too bad
Speaker 1: for what you're getting with them.
Speaker 3: But the problem is that everyone will compare it to
Speaker 3: a Model three. And I think that's the biggest issue.
Speaker 3: If you drive them both sides to side and back
Speaker 3: to back, you would never get the Model three. But
Speaker 3: I just think that when people look at this and
Speaker 3: they see the cost of EV's going down. I think
Speaker 3: they get a bit stick of shock when they see
Speaker 3: the price of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I think this is just so
Speaker 1: out of a Tesler Brackett. I can't see how people
Speaker 1: would I mean, technically, I guess you could compare it,
Speaker 1: but I just think they're two completely different cars, and
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think that really journalists should
Speaker 1: be comparing this to a Tesla Model three Performance, but.
Speaker 2: They will marry.
Speaker 1: Those fake sounds are pretty good too.
Speaker 3: I think they're great, and a lot of people that
Speaker 3: own this car now are using those sounds because it
Speaker 3: just gives you that sort of realistic driving experience. It's
Speaker 3: just as I find it really fascinating.
Speaker 1: It's such a fun car. It's really great. Actually, there's
Speaker 1: a dude I'd love to get him on. We should
Speaker 1: call him on the podcast next time. But he's a
Speaker 1: bit of an influencer with this car, and he literally
Speaker 1: has a GT three RS next to it, so there
Speaker 1: is two sort of you know, cars in his garage,
Speaker 1: and it's interesting to hear his thoughts on how different
Speaker 1: and what he enjoys about each one. I think the
Speaker 1: thing that I really loved about the end was you
Speaker 1: can take this from a performance what feels like a
Speaker 1: let's call it a performance ice car to a quite
Speaker 1: smooth commuter, like a daily commuter. And yeah, at the
Speaker 1: flick of a switch, it's just if you you can
Speaker 1: and you can flick between the two so much. I'm
Speaker 1: just sort of I was thinking about.
Speaker 3: It, you know what, just to put some of the
Speaker 3: speed into into reference for people and perspective.
Speaker 2: Were actually shot a drag.
Speaker 3: Racing series where we drag race the Ionic five N
Speaker 3: up against literally everything from a Rolls Royce to a five.
Speaker 2: Million dollar Lamborghini that is limited in numbers is that
Speaker 2: the new diablou Kutas.
Speaker 3: But one of the cars that it genuinely surprised me
Speaker 3: by was McLaren p one, which is which was one
Speaker 3: of the Holy Trinity.
Speaker 2: It's literally a hypercar.
Speaker 3: The Ironic five N crossed the finish line in a
Speaker 3: rolling race at almost the exact same time like it
Speaker 3: was a bees dick in it. So to think that
Speaker 3: that a hyena can match like what is now a
Speaker 3: three million dollar McLaren p one, I think it's pretty unreal.
Speaker 2: Done such a good job with it.
Speaker 1: I saw someone take theirs to like a drag track
Speaker 1: and it was just hilarious, like everything that was coming
Speaker 1: up against it, I just smoke. It was what's this
Speaker 1: guy even doing? He just like cruises on out of there. Yeah. Interesting, interesting,
Speaker 1: such a brilliant car. God, I'd love to drive like.
Speaker 1: I'd literally love that as a as a daily car
Speaker 1: like I think that was my one. Yeah, maybe I will,
Speaker 1: maybe with my with my Marrick dollars, maybe I will.
Speaker 2: And the what else are you driving at the moment?
Speaker 1: Oh, you want to know what it needs to be?
Speaker 1: Would you like to know what else I'm driving at
Speaker 1: the moment.
Speaker 4: My genis GD sixty on the way to the salon.
Speaker 4: It's beautiful, it's spawty, it's a little bit ritzy, and
Speaker 4: my dog Pavley loves just sit in the back and
Speaker 4: as he has a doggy baby Gina, he get a
Speaker 4: little bit of froth on his nose. What's that little puplay?
Speaker 1: I'll stop clicking up bum Only Steven could.
Speaker 2: Do that.
Speaker 1: Anyway. I don't think I've got that car for much longer.
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna say, but look we do the little
Speaker 1: voice as I'm just gonna tell you, I quite like
Speaker 1: the car.
Speaker 2: I really enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what was. Okay, this is gonna this
Speaker 1: is gonna divide me and you in a big way.
Speaker 1: There's a car that I drove and our bloody was.
Speaker 1: I'm so confused as to why I like it. I'm confused.
Speaker 1: I'm confused as why I like this car. Guess what
Speaker 1: it is? What do you think it could be?
Speaker 2: Oh, it's Trevor's car.
Speaker 1: The Jesus No, No, a about five hundred eight No, that's.
Speaker 2: Just an absolute no.
Speaker 1: I know. Here's the thing. Mine was tennis ball green
Speaker 1: in fact a look like a sleepy tennis ball with
Speaker 1: its new lights and all that sort of stuff. It
Speaker 1: does less than two hundred k's in range, Like you're
Speaker 1: charging this every couple of days. It's sixty thousand dollars
Speaker 1: and it makes fake noises. It's just so fun.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I like it. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's such a dicky little car. I
Speaker 1: love it. Just stop stop saying that.
Speaker 4: Stop it Jenesis sixty.
Speaker 1: I quite like what what did?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: Did you not? Like?
Speaker 2: Everything? Like? What outrageously overpriced? I just think it is
Speaker 2: a stupid car.
Speaker 1: What about the like the competition on like the we had.
Speaker 3: We used to own one at Car Advice and I
Speaker 3: hated that thing. It had no cruise control, it was
Speaker 3: ship to drive.
Speaker 1: It's just no, the buttons are weird on it, really stupid.
Speaker 1: I've got made who is young bloke here? I work
Speaker 1: right and poor dude like he bought one brand new
Speaker 1: from the dealer an E No, not an E, just
Speaker 1: a yeah, ah put it from the dealer. And this
Speaker 1: is a guy who's like it's his first big car,
Speaker 1: like his first brand new car, you know, and he's
Speaker 1: already like it's fully conked out. It's a break new car.
Speaker 1: Oh dude, you can't.
Speaker 3: Like I just would not trust an Italian electric car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I find it fun. It's a
Speaker 1: good little commuter.
Speaker 2: Now it's speaking of conking out.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's talk about what is going to be
Speaker 3: quite a costly little recall. Yeah, not in Australia at
Speaker 3: this stage, but in the States, more than one hundred
Speaker 3: thousand Toyter, Tundra and Lexus Lex V six petrol engines
Speaker 3: need to be replaced.
Speaker 1: More so the Tundra. They ryan the Alex that's a
Speaker 1: beautiful looking car.
Speaker 3: So there is a lot of engines. So basically what
Speaker 3: they found was some examples of the engine had debris circulating. Well,
Speaker 3: they found debris, and the concern is that it could
Speaker 3: circulate through the engine lead to knocking, rough running, and
Speaker 3: even a loss of powrot speed which could lead to
Speaker 3: an accident or death. So to me, this is going
Speaker 3: to be very expensive, and I think as well, hats
Speaker 3: off to Toyota because a lot of car companies would
Speaker 3: just go, oh, see how it goes, and then if
Speaker 3: your engine shits itself, will then fix it. This is
Speaker 3: what Ford did with power shift, right. They knew that
Speaker 3: those gearboxes were shit and they would only replace them
Speaker 3: if you had a problem, went through like three other
Speaker 3: attempts to fix it, which was that they never really worked,
Speaker 3: and then eventually you'd have to get the gearbox replaced.
Speaker 3: By that point, people are like pulling their hair at
Speaker 3: toy It is just going no, look, there's the risk
Speaker 3: of it happening. It may only it may happen, But
Speaker 3: we want to get them, get them out and replace them.
Speaker 1: It's a big call. It's a big thing to do.
Speaker 1: So even though there's hundred thousand.
Speaker 3: Engines, right, yeah, even though this the alex is sold
Speaker 3: in Australia with this engine. We still don't know whether
Speaker 3: it is an issue for Australian vehicles. We're still yet
Speaker 3: to find out.
Speaker 1: But I thought it was not affecting the hybrids, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got nothing to do with the hybrid stuff.
Speaker 1: It's all.
Speaker 2: Three point four later. So yeah, that's that's big news.
Speaker 3: So for Toyota that really has rarely has a big step,
Speaker 3: that is that is a massive, massive thing.
Speaker 1: Being the Kamala Harris of the automotive scene, you should
Speaker 1: probably shed some light on this one. This is okay,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of taking this one with a grain of
Speaker 1: salt because Trump has pledged to kill I guess, or
Speaker 1: just block Chinese TV subsidiaries.
Speaker 2: What's that just the long pause? Trump has pledged.
Speaker 3: To kill dot dot dot. Yeah, we'll get back to
Speaker 3: you after this short break. So he's basically and I
Speaker 3: was watching the Republican convention when he got up to speak,
Speaker 3: I sat it running in the background.
Speaker 1: And then is your mentor and he's your religious icon.
Speaker 2: He's a zero.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so absolutely, But anyway, we won't get into that.
Speaker 3: So he got to the end of it and he
Speaker 3: basically said that if he's elected he will end the
Speaker 3: electric vehicle mandate on day one, thereby saving the US
Speaker 3: auto industry from complete obliteration, which is happening right now,
Speaker 3: and saving US customers thousands and thousands of dollars per cup. Now,
Speaker 3: there is a lot of merit to this because at
Speaker 3: the moment in the States they have federal tax credits
Speaker 3: for electric vehicles. Tesla has basically funded their business globally
Speaker 3: from credits like this and fines from other manufacturers overseas.
Speaker 2: And guess who's paying all of that, Well, the American taxpayer,
Speaker 2: right correct.
Speaker 3: So the American taxpayer, I think doesn't really know that
Speaker 3: the scale of this. And Biden has already committed billions
Speaker 3: and billions and billions of dollars to this, to this
Speaker 3: green subsidy. And he then went on to say that
Speaker 3: he will hit Chinese vehicles with one hundred percent tariff
Speaker 3: in the US. Now, one hundred percent, I don't really
Speaker 3: sell that many Chinese vehicles in the US anyway, but
Speaker 3: one hundred percent is significantly more than what they've just
Speaker 3: put in it in Europe, which varies between twenty and
Speaker 3: forty percent. But the funny thing is some Chinese companies
Speaker 3: are saying that's fine, we can still make money off
Speaker 3: that would.
Speaker 1: This affect Tesla because obviously Tesla like make a lot
Speaker 1: of their cars in the States, they also make them
Speaker 1: in China.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And I know it's weird because like and Elin and
Speaker 1: Trump are.
Speaker 2: Like, well, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I think Elon saw what was happening, and he's committed
Speaker 3: to something like sixty million dollars a month to fund
Speaker 3: Trump's campaign, So I think he's hoping for a favorable
Speaker 3: outcome here. But I think realistically what will happen is
Speaker 3: they'll probably dial back those subsidies and I think that
Speaker 3: he will say you will only be allowed to sell
Speaker 3: vehicles if they're made in this country.
Speaker 2: So it'll be interesting.
Speaker 3: I think it's do you think it'll worked, Well, look
Speaker 3: at it this way. If you don't do it, you'll
Speaker 3: end up with what we have in Australia where you
Speaker 3: just cannot manufacture anything because it's insanely expensive and everything
Speaker 3: from China is cheaper.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's fine.
Speaker 3: For the Australian consumer, but ultimately you're going to get
Speaker 3: to a point where you just don't have a manufacturing industry.
Speaker 3: And the issue they have in the States is the
Speaker 3: automotive unions over there are so so powerful that you
Speaker 3: just cannot do anything without their endorsement. And Tesla is
Speaker 3: one of the few manufacturers that doesn't have unionism, so
Speaker 3: it means that they can get around some of these issues.
Speaker 3: But when these unions come in and just demand more
Speaker 3: and more money, it just becomes impossible to manufacture cars.
Speaker 3: So the only way around that is by saying to
Speaker 3: all these brands, you know, you will get hit with
Speaker 3: tariffs unless you manufacture here, and that, in theory, should
Speaker 3: spread out those jobs and make it more cost effective
Speaker 3: to manufacture cars in.
Speaker 2: The States.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there a isn't there A. Isn't there an
Speaker 1: American brand apart from Tesla that manufacturers in China?
Speaker 2: Oh there's there's heaps, There's heaps.
Speaker 3: So the difference though is Tesla was the first car
Speaker 3: brand that didn't have to have a JV with a
Speaker 3: Chinese company. So what I've heard from some sources is
Speaker 3: that when you're a manufacturer, like let's say Volkswagen, and
Speaker 3: you go to manufacturer in China and you have.
Speaker 2: Your JV, typically the JV is fifty or fifty.
Speaker 3: One percent owned by the Chinese company, and even though
Speaker 3: you have joint decision making, they pretty much call all
Speaker 3: the shots.
Speaker 2: So when you go, oh, look.
Speaker 3: We'd like to release this thing, and they go, I'm
Speaker 3: you sure about that, and you go no, no, that.
Speaker 2: Was a terrible idea. Kevin's fired.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that this is you know, Tesla
Speaker 3: is one of the only ones that doesn't have that.
Speaker 3: But ultimately, you know, as we've seen, Chinese government has
Speaker 3: If you run a company in China, they have access
Speaker 3: to your information. Yeah, so I don't know how they
Speaker 3: get around that.
Speaker 1: But and the cameras in your phone and a lot
Speaker 1: of other things.
Speaker 2: No comment, they what they do.
Speaker 1: They have accessed to a lot of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm sure many companies do.
Speaker 1: To have access to your TikTok account, I know what's
Speaker 1: going on and you snapchot.
Speaker 2: All the letters on the US.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it is interesting times. If Trump
Speaker 3: gets in, I think we're going to see I can
Speaker 3: see that Silicon Valley is excited because he's he's his
Speaker 3: vice president is a tech businessman, so it's great news
Speaker 3: for the tech industry. He's talking up crypto, which is
Speaker 3: fantastic news for anyone in that industry.
Speaker 1: For you and me. But yeah, he took me n
Speaker 1: fts buy any chance.
Speaker 2: I look there naturally on the way out. It's like
Speaker 2: a penfolds gronge a.
Speaker 1: You can't even pronounce it. How do you pronounce it?
Speaker 2: You leave it in the cupboard.
Speaker 1: It will go up in value, even your young d NFTs.
Speaker 3: Unlikely but anyway, but yeah, look, I think that it is.
Speaker 3: It is interesting times and I can't wait to see
Speaker 3: what happens. If he gets in, you'll get in, you
Speaker 3: know you reckon?
Speaker 1: Yes, of course, of course I think Camala, Mala, Camilla.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't say her name. Kamala. No wait, sorry, no,
Speaker 1: I can't do it.
Speaker 3: Kamala, Come on, Kamala? Is it Kamela or Kamala camel tuck? Anyway,
Speaker 3: So another story that I thought was interesting. Actually two more,
Speaker 3: this one plus another one. Volkswagen owners are claiming that
Speaker 3: steeringwel buttons are causing crashes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Technology Publication ARS Technica reports that at least thirteen crashers
Speaker 3: crash reports have been filed in the US National Highway
Speaker 3: Traffic Safety Administration, many of which involve certain Volkswagen vehicles
Speaker 3: hitting objects while parking.
Speaker 1: You tried to tell them with the haptic touch, you
Speaker 1: tried to.
Speaker 2: I did, And this is the annoying thing.
Speaker 3: Every time we took one of their cars for a
Speaker 3: drive around the proving ground sports cars, my hands would
Speaker 3: be on fire. I'm like, what the fuck is going
Speaker 3: on here? And it was the heated steering wheel. It's
Speaker 3: the capacitive touch button was right on the edge, so
Speaker 3: you keep rolling onto it. And I think a lot
Speaker 3: of owners just struggle with using these correctly and they're
Speaker 3: basically phasing them out. They've gone back, right, yeah, but
Speaker 3: some cars still have still have the.
Speaker 1: Tig Is it the tig One's gone back? Yeah, tig
Speaker 1: one amrok yep. I think the new Golf eight point
Speaker 1: five Yeah, oh god, do you know what? They need
Speaker 1: to also stop the haptic touch of volume control, which
Speaker 1: wasn't that bad, but it was just like, guys, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? You don't need to do that? And
Speaker 1: they've got that have they got that in? They've got
Speaker 1: that in more than Volkswagen Skoda yep.
Speaker 3: So they are fixing that and it is actually exciting
Speaker 3: because Rivian and Volkswagen have signed like a five billion
Speaker 3: dollar deal for Rivian to supply the software stack for
Speaker 3: Volkswagen's future evs from twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Use yeah, something something.
Speaker 3: So that is exciting because it means that Volkswagen had
Speaker 3: a service called I think it was carryad.
Speaker 2: Basically it was an.
Speaker 3: Absolute disaster and it delayed a lot of Volkswagen's roll
Speaker 3: out of electric vehicles. And it just has to do
Speaker 3: with I listened to a podcast with r. J. Scrima,
Speaker 3: who is the CEO of Rivia and the founder, and
Speaker 3: you listened to some rivetings, but he was basically saying
Speaker 3: that their cars are different because you're plumbing everything through
Speaker 3: basically a central computing network, whereas currently with cars you
Speaker 3: have situations where you've got countless tens of CPUs that
Speaker 3: manage certain things. So he said, basically, if you wanted
Speaker 3: to make a change to the way that a driver's
Speaker 3: door opens when a driver grabs the handle or beeps
Speaker 3: or something like that in a traditional car, you'd basically
Speaker 3: have to have the computer that manages the door handle,
Speaker 3: the computer that manages the passive unlocked, the computer that
Speaker 3: manages the infotament system, the computer that manages the lights
Speaker 3: in the audio. You would have to make all of
Speaker 3: these changes. And because it's all sourced by third party suppliers.
Speaker 3: You basically have a headache to make all this stuff happen,
Speaker 3: whereas with Rivian, because it's all controlled by the one
Speaker 3: set of code, you're basically just making one change.
Speaker 1: Oh far out, that makes more sense, are you right?
Speaker 1: It's just in your pants. You're having a bit of
Speaker 1: a Biden moment. What's going mom? Mom?
Speaker 3: There was one where he was in there speaking and
Speaker 3: he goes, mom, so you stand up and she'd been
Speaker 3: dead for like ten or fifteen years.
Speaker 5: Really, my favorite was he was like, I'm just very
Speaker 5: proud to be like the first black vice president, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5: Time to sit in that chair, Time to sit in
Speaker 5: the chair man, You've got cognitive decline.
Speaker 1: This is you really are worry now.
Speaker 3: This is not a political show. But he right at
Speaker 3: the end there it was just like what will he
Speaker 3: do next?
Speaker 2: Like us just a train wreck. But anyway, I loved her.
Speaker 1: I was having poo in a box. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but just like poo in a box and.
Speaker 2: Just in the last one I wanted to quickly mention
Speaker 2: goes just this crazy.
Speaker 3: Story we ran on the site the other day. It
Speaker 3: was about this Ford Fairlane. It was zed El Fairlane.
Speaker 3: It's been left at a shopping center and let me
Speaker 3: just triple check with John's so Northcote Plaza down you alway,
Speaker 3: for over ten years it's been parked in the car
Speaker 3: park in the exact same spot.
Speaker 1: Now, is this a proper old like fairlane or is
Speaker 1: this a zed.
Speaker 3: L was in the eighties, late eighties, and it's been
Speaker 3: sitting there for that long, no regio plates, sort of
Speaker 3: dusty and all that sort of stuff. Basically, the reason
Speaker 3: it's been there was the former owner's son asked for
Speaker 3: the car park for the car to be left in
Speaker 3: the car park because it belonged to his father. And
Speaker 3: the father passed away and he had some sort of
Speaker 3: connection to that shopping center.
Speaker 1: What and what was he like a janator there or something?
Speaker 2: Sure, we worked there.
Speaker 3: So basically he passed away more than fifteen years ago
Speaker 3: and the car has been there the whole time, and
Speaker 3: management have basically come out and said, well, they're going
Speaker 3: to let the car stay there. Someone regularly cleans it
Speaker 3: and make sure it isn't sort of too damaged.
Speaker 1: I did someone in there is like a little tribute.
Speaker 2: Something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, father, Yeah, At the shopping like he loved this
Speaker 1: shopping center. Yeah, and I really can't be fucked moving
Speaker 1: this car.
Speaker 2: I think it's a nice feel good story, is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So like it's like a little it's like a like
Speaker 1: a mureral.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1: They put like a little fountain or something around it.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can truck something. Coiner there, what happened? Let
Speaker 1: me get this right. So they leave the car there
Speaker 1: and people come to wash it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, someone cleans it, and so they open it up
Speaker 3: and it's just the outside, just the inside.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're finally coming around to the concept.
Speaker 1: Waste a fucking time. That was my inside voice. I'll
Speaker 1: change that. I feel like we're going to go in
Speaker 1: another six months, break.
Speaker 2: Everybody, if I don't die from whatever I got.
Speaker 1: What have you got there? Have you got a bit
Speaker 1: of COVID? No, I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 2: By the way, not real. So that was a joke, clearly,
Speaker 2: So please don't ride in.
Speaker 1: I say you're having sex with the COVID bat outside.
Speaker 2: A fish or monkey?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, it's definitely a bat. Was this a little
Speaker 1: present that your kid brought back from daycare?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Probably got that she goes around just licking things. I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: don't do that.
Speaker 1: She gets up from her dad, I'll stop.
Speaker 4: Does she.
Speaker 1: Um? Oh my goodness, speaking of oh my goodness, super
Speaker 1: usol terror you pass.
Speaker 2: Got to drive that? Yeah, lucky you. A few will
Speaker 2: ever drive one.
Speaker 1: The cousin of the TOYOTAZ four x b Z four x,
Speaker 1: which sounds like a fucking it sounds like a coffee order. Well,
Speaker 1: elon Musk's other kid. It's probably the older one, the
Speaker 1: older one blowing the long hair. keV stop at.
Speaker 2: Gen So Salteria reason. I think it's stupid, okay, And
Speaker 2: the Toyota isn't the toy.
Speaker 1: Wait can I pause? You really you think you're not
Speaker 1: a fan of that, but you're okay with the Toyota.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3: With the Toyota, you can go from driving a Cambri
Speaker 3: to driving that and everything feels the same. It's got
Speaker 3: lots of buttons. It is just Toyota. It is then
Speaker 3: backed up by having an Australia wide dealer networks. You
Speaker 3: can charge it at any of the dealers and it's
Speaker 3: it's easy. It just is easy, right, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you could do that.
Speaker 3: That's the Subaru. It is like the Toyota, except without
Speaker 3: the dealer network and without it being like any other
Speaker 3: subar aside from the fact it's all will drive well.
Speaker 1: I mean it's their very first EV. I get what
Speaker 1: you're saying, like, does it still fit in the realm's?
Speaker 2: I just don't get why you would release it in Australia.
Speaker 3: So I think in sort of places like California where
Speaker 3: it feels good to be driving an EV, fine, whatever
Speaker 3: you can get away with it. There's lots of EV's,
Speaker 3: lots of charging in Australia where none of that's really developed.
Speaker 2: Why would you buy a super U of all EV's.
Speaker 2: I just it has.
Speaker 1: One feature that the Toyota doesn't have, and it's such
Speaker 1: an amazing feature. Do you know what this car can do?
Speaker 1: It can if you're like on grass or some sort
Speaker 1: of like loose gravel. Maybe you've got like a maybe
Speaker 1: you live on acreage with a big driveway. You can
Speaker 1: do sort of like a semi off roady cruise control
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 2: And you've got like a bushy landing streep.
Speaker 1: Little bushy bush you can just really cruise on the
Speaker 1: bush yep and you can't do that in the bee
Speaker 1: Z four.
Speaker 3: X, yes, because an EV doesn't belong like an EV
Speaker 3: like that does not belong anywhere near an.
Speaker 2: Off road like a bit of an off road vibe.
Speaker 2: It's just putting from the rough really, so to speak.
Speaker 1: You're not a fan. I didn't like. I don't. My
Speaker 1: feelings aren't as strong as yours. It was okay, it
Speaker 1: was like my thing was. It was fine because it
Speaker 1: technically did everything it sort of claimed to do. It
Speaker 1: was just fine. And I feel like the EV market
Speaker 1: is so saturated at the moment with good stuff, Like
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, there's some heavy competition.
Speaker 2: It's expensive, why would you buy it?
Speaker 1: And well I sort of got confused as to this
Speaker 1: is going to be your debut EV and it's fine.
Speaker 1: Like I sort of think, if you're going to do this,
Speaker 1: you've got to bring your A game on. And I
Speaker 1: think Superu have missed the mark on that lately a lot.
Speaker 3: But you have a look at Suberu, right, You've got
Speaker 3: some of their products are just super ute. Forester is big,
Speaker 3: it's got lots of room, the outback is big. It's
Speaker 3: sort of you can do light of fighting and all
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. WX is stupid, it's dead. No
Speaker 3: one really cares about that anymore. But with the EV,
Speaker 3: it just has nothing that is super u about it. Like, yes,
Speaker 3: it has all will drive, but big big deal. That's
Speaker 3: so easy to do in an EV. It just has
Speaker 3: no trademark Subaru stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think they've tried to carry on the the looks
Speaker 1: a little bit, maybe that sort of.
Speaker 3: I think what they've done is they've gone, we have
Speaker 3: a free platform to work with with Toyota. What is
Speaker 3: the least amount of effort we can put into this
Speaker 3: to make it a super Oh I know, let's give
Speaker 3: it a cruise control for off road that no one
Speaker 3: will ever use.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're put in the least about of
Speaker 1: effort in this car.
Speaker 3: I would love to see an EV on the market,
Speaker 3: even your Genesis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they made the thing six Oh yeah, they've even
Speaker 2: got like the spinny thing in the middle. It looks
Speaker 2: different and it's the same platform, but they've gone to effort.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I can't think of any other platform E Tron and
Speaker 3: Tykwon they're just different cars. I can't think of any
Speaker 3: other platform that less effort has been put into making
Speaker 3: it unique.
Speaker 1: Mustang marquees. Pretty boring.
Speaker 2: No, but that's it's not shared with other Ford stuff.
Speaker 2: That's true. It is its own car.
Speaker 3: Like I can't think of any other shared platform where
Speaker 3: they have just put less effort in.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, yeah, actually that's a good point.
Speaker 2: There's there's heaps of vs Ye platforms.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well look you might have a point, very harsh.
Speaker 1: What's wrong? Are you grumpy? You know what I think
Speaker 1: it is? You haven't eaten chumps, I haven't haven't eaten
Speaker 1: soon in your belly and you need a tummy rub
Speaker 1: and you need a bit of a ride in the
Speaker 1: genusis hey? Before we wrap this sacker up, tell me
Speaker 1: one quick thing. You are looking forward to driving.
Speaker 2: I am going on a top secret mission.
Speaker 1: Is that why you're wearing a fake mustache?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 1: Shades?
Speaker 2: Correct?
Speaker 3: So next time we talk on the podcast, I will
Speaker 3: have seen I will have seen a very special big
Speaker 3: SUV that everyone is waiting for. Seven cedar, yes, and
Speaker 3: eight Cedar and it's an SUV that did once have
Speaker 3: a V eight but no longer. Will don't guess it
Speaker 3: because I'm not allowed to say what it is.
Speaker 1: But have we talked about their brand recently?
Speaker 3: Yes, it would be on the next show, so I'm
Speaker 3: very very excited for that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, we're just trying to think how I could
Speaker 1: dole up this one. There is a car that I
Speaker 1: will be driving next week and it is a new
Speaker 1: car to Australia current General, new brand to Australia as well,
Speaker 1: and rival is one of the greatest selling cars in
Speaker 1: this country.
Speaker 2: I'm confused.
Speaker 1: Really, would you like a clue?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: No, Contact at the Drivers Show dot com today. See
Speaker 3: if you can guess Gordy's in mine, because I still
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: What yours is. Actually a clue is okay? Don't tell
Speaker 2: me though?
Speaker 1: Do you want to, I'll give you an audio clue.
Speaker 2: You ready.
Speaker 1: Stop it? Do you know what that is? I did
Speaker 1: the flaps and everything that is going to make it,
Speaker 1: that's going to make it amazing real?
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, do you know what that could be? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. There's six of them.
Speaker 2: Anyway, jeez, gaggle.
Speaker 3: Anyway, contact us the Drivers Show dot com today if
Speaker 3: you can guess what is up?
Speaker 1: You can tell This episode didn't have as much planning
Speaker 1: as the last one.