1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: We know this December is going to mark the fiftieth 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: anniversary of Cyclone. Tracy and a local production company is 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: making a short film to commemorate well the role of 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 1: the ADF and other emergency services in the evacuation and 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: recovery effort after the disaster. The documentary, called Cyclone Warriors, 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: aims to honor the unsung heroes, collating archive footage with 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: expert interviews and joining me on the line to tell 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: us a little bit more about it is the man 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: behind it all Ian Richards. 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Ian. 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. Nice to talk to you. 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, lovely to have you on the show. 13 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: Now, tell me a little bit more about the documentary 14 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: and why you decided to take this approach. 15 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 3: Well, what happened was doctor Tom Lewis is writing a 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 3: book about the military involvement and the the. 17 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: The recovery effort's and stuff. 18 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: The recovery efforts and everything gifts happening in front of it, 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 3: and he approached us and he said, what, what do 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 3: you think this would make a good documentary. And we've 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 3: worked with Tom before on a few local documentaries. All 22 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: that documentaries are local. We always concentrate on stuff in 23 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 3: the territory and we we had a look at it 24 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 3: and we thought, yeah, this is different. It's we've all 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 3: we've all seen, you know, some of the sad stories 26 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 3: and heartbreaking stuff. But this is a slightly different approach 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: where it concentrates more on the rescue efforts and and 28 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: what the rescuers went through themselves. And while some of 29 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 3: them were sort of out helping and rescuing people, they 30 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 3: had families that were that were suffering and needed help themselves. 31 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 3: So that stuff hasn't been told. Also, we're going to 32 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: you know, nothing, nothing really has ever been talked about 33 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 3: our Aboriginal community. What happened to them? You know, many 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: of them had never left, yes, and all of a sudden, 35 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: you know, they're uprooted and put into a big city 36 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: and don't know anybody or anything. And then they come 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: back and there's like there's no landmarks to recognize anything. 38 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 3: And it's just like, yeah, so we're going to Delvin. 39 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 3: We're going into areas that haven't been covered before that 40 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: need to be covered. 41 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: It's a great idea and something that so many people 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: are going to be really keen to watch. And I 43 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: think it is going to focus like you said, on 44 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: something that hasn't really been covered before. But I've no 45 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: doubt that there are some incredible human interest stories as 46 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 1: you start getting those interviews underway. 47 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, look, so we've got Greg Granger. Now. Greg 48 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: Granger was a fairly young reporter of the Channel nine 49 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 3: at the time. He's a Logi Award winner. He was 50 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 3: flying into Darwin on a Hercules this is the day 51 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: after and the pilot called him into the cabin and goes, mate, 52 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: can you give us a bit of a hand. We 53 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 3: can't find a year thought, so they didn't know where 54 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 3: to land. Wow, you know. So and and he's got 55 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 3: lots of lots of stories, like there was cues and 56 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: you know, I haven't sort of heard this before this, 57 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 3: and it was like he came across this queue of 58 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: people and they're all there with their dogs and they're 59 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 3: all going to be euthanized. Oh oh, you know, just 60 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 3: just heartbreaking stuff that you're yeah, it's the beggars belief. Yeah, 61 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 3: what people went. 62 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: Through, And that's you know, that is such an important 63 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: story I think to tell like some of that stuff 64 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: that people don't even realize or unless you were living 65 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: here at the time, and unless you were part of 66 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: it that you really have no idea, and I think 67 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: it just goes to show you what a resilient bunch 68 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: we are here in the Northern Territory as well. 69 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, look at you hear all the you know, 70 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: at the moment we're hearing all these horror stories. But 71 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, you know, Darwin is 72 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: about the people, and my god, you know, people really 73 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: really stood up, you know when in the time of needs. 74 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: So and you know, we intend to highlight this in 75 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 3: the story. Highlight that in the story. 76 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,839 Speaker 1: Now, tell me, you know, in terms of the aftermath, 77 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: then for the adf after the cyclone, talk us through 78 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: a little bit of what you've sort of learned, you 79 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: know from some of the research you've done so far. 80 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: Well, well, the research is ongoing, but we're starting to 81 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 3: film in June, but we've managed to do an interview 82 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 3: with Bob and Christine Dagworthy. Now Bob was the captain 83 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: of the HMS Arrow now that's sunk in the harbor. 84 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 3: They were told, you know that the rule back in 85 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: the day was go out to a cyclone boy and 86 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 3: tied of that and just and just ride out the cyclone. Anyway, 87 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: the cyclone was so big it snapped the cyclone boy 88 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 3: and he ended up losing two sailors. And when you 89 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 3: talk to him today, it's like it happened to you yesterday. 90 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 3: He's so emotional about it and so devastated about it. 91 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: And so he's telling us his story, and then and 92 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 3: then we start talking to his wife, and unbeknownens to us, 93 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: his wife was in Darwin at the time, and she's 94 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: sitting in a house under a table with the roofs 95 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 3: blowing off. She's got two kids in her arm, and 96 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: she's and she can feel the wind trying to suck, suck, 97 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: suck one of the kids out of her arms, and 98 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: she's going, oh my god, I'm going to have to 99 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 3: decide what did I let go? Unbelievable, you know, And 100 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 3: and the thing is, so it's almost fifty years on. 101 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 3: They hadn't spoken to each other about it until just 102 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 3: a few months ago when someone asked him to write 103 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: an article that's all us inside themselves. They hadn't spoken 104 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: about it. They just every Christmas they'd been you know, 105 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: do feel sad and a bit silent, And they hadn't 106 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 3: sort of opened up to each other what they went 107 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 3: through it's just like that biggest belief. 108 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 2: It does. 109 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: And every time and you know, as soon as there's 110 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 3: a big wind, you know, around Christmas time, they you know, 111 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 3: they feel a bit of trepidation. 112 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: You would your. 113 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: Whole life would have changed, you know, in such a 114 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: momentous and unbelievable way, and you would, you'd feel genuinely 115 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: scared whenever you hear those threats of cyclones coming back 116 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: to Darwin as well. 117 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And we've interviewed, we've interviewed Sir Peter 118 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,359 Speaker 3: Cosgrove and what a fantastic bloke he is. He's just 119 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 3: a good round blokes and he's got you know, some 120 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 3: some you know, crystal clear memories of flying into Darw 121 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: and and he goes, you know, all he could relate 122 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: it to was Hiroshima. It just looked like it had 123 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 3: been hit by a nuclear bomb. Wow, so wide and 124 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 3: so fast bread you so you couldn't recognize it as 125 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 3: a down and it was all there was some talk 126 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: of not even rebuilding the town. They were just going 127 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 3: to abandon it. 128 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and look at us now, you know, look at 129 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: us now, like it does go to show you, like 130 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: you touched on just a moment ago. And I think 131 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: this is such an important point to make because, as 132 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: you said, we hear some real horror stories across the 133 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: Northern Territory at the moment, and I'm not diminishing from 134 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: those in any way. But when you look at the 135 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: Northern Territories history, when you look at what we have 136 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: been through, when you look at the people that live here, 137 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: we are such a resilient bunch. 138 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean we've done we did 139 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: some stories on the bombing of Darwin, and we did 140 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: a documentary about Albert Morale a VC and then which 141 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 3: is World War One, and then World War Two, and 142 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: then there were sidelines before and we always seemed, we 143 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: always seem to bounce back from anything that seems to 144 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: hit us. So I'm sure we're going to ounce back here. 145 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: I reckon, we are too. 146 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 3: Ian. 147 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: Tell me in terms of the work that you've got 148 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: underway at the moment, I understand you've created a gofund 149 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: me page to help with some of the cost of 150 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: the project. 151 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 2: How much you're hoping to. 152 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: Raise, Well, we are. We are actually thanks to people 153 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: like Spring Territory and a few private donors, we are 154 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: pretty much covered. Also, what it will do. It'll enable 155 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 3: us to take it to the next level, which is 156 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 3: which is what we want to do with this. I 157 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: think this thing, you know, we want this to be 158 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 3: something that comes out in another fifty years and people go, 159 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 3: oh my god. 160 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I still reckon that. 161 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people in Australia that have you know, 162 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: they've got a fair idea of sort of what happened, 163 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: but a lot of that and even people that live 164 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: here right now really don't know just the degree of 165 00:08:58,240 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: how bad it was. 166 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, so I'm sure you've been to the Coeo 167 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: Stadium would have set at maximum capacity yep, So imagine 168 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: that three times full and that's the amount of people 169 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: that were evacuated. 170 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: It's just while it's unbelievable. 171 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 3: Isn't it beggars belief? 172 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it truly does. 173 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, we're sitting here now in beautiful air conditioned 174 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: homes and everything, but it must have been just horrific. 175 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 3: And you know, of course you had rotting meat and 176 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 3: fridges because everybody had all their Christmas dinners and all 177 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: the spies and that was just all like trash. Yeah, 178 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 3: and out in the heat and. 179 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, olik, I agree with you. 180 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: And we've I know, we've got so many long term 181 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: territorians that listen to this show, so I know that 182 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of them listening this 183 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: morning that have probably got their own stories and their 184 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 1: own history, you know from Cyclone Tracy that they're thinking 185 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: about is we're talking today. But I know that there's 186 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: also going to be a lot of people that would 187 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: like to support this project. So if they go to 188 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: go and fund me, can they just search Cyclone Warriors 189 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: or what's the best way for. 190 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: Them to find us warriors? 191 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: Or catch us up on Facebook Cyclone Warriors at Facebook 192 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 3: on Facebook. That'll get us as well well. 193 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,839 Speaker 1: Ian, Let's catch up again as you as the project progresses. 194 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm really keen to, you know, to catch up with 195 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: you and talk to you about them again. I think 196 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: it's something that's so interesting. It's such a huge part 197 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: of the Northern Territories history and something that does need 198 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,479 Speaker 1: to be documented in this visual way. What a fantastic 199 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: thing that you guys are doing. 200 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 3: We will be happy to cappy to keep you updated. Katie. 201 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 2: Good on you. 202 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: Thank you, Ian, lovely to talk to you this morning. 203 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Cheers mate,