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Speaker 1: Joining us live on the line, I believe from Central Australia.

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Speaker 1: Actually is the Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker. Good morning to you, Commissioner.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time. I know you're

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Speaker 1: very busy today. There was a big announcement as we

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Speaker 1: all know yesterday. It gave us a bit more of

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Speaker 1: an idea exactly how things are going to look once

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Speaker 1: we reach that eighty percent vaccination rate around the territory.

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Speaker 1: I guess some of the big things now that we're

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Speaker 1: all sort of wondering how they're going to work, is

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Speaker 1: how it's going to be managed. And firstly I might

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Speaker 1: just ask you if you're able to let us know

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Speaker 1: what is going to be the difference between a lockdown,

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Speaker 1: I think and a lockout.

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Speaker 2: Pretty simply with the lockdown, of course, we try and

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Speaker 2: mitigate movement across the relevant lockdown location. So that's certainly

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Speaker 2: designed to ensure that the spread is completely nutterly minimized.

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Speaker 2: The posture towards a lockout will a game be based

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Speaker 2: on what the prevalent clinical advice is as to what

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Speaker 2: presence of the positive there is in the territory. So

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Speaker 2: it may allow our early days, for example, that a

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Speaker 2: lockout occurs, and what that means is those that are

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Speaker 2: vaccinated we would preclude from moving around primarily because they

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Speaker 2: haven't had the vaccination that would be able to significantly

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Speaker 2: prevent the likelihood of them becoming critically unwell and then

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Speaker 2: becoming a burden on our health system. So those who

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Speaker 2: are double vaccinated would be able to continue to move around.

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Speaker 2: It may still be a case that we have to

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Speaker 2: have mars and light, but for those that are not

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Speaker 2: being vaccinated, the public health risk and their potential burden

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Speaker 2: on the system is the thing we're trying to mitigate.

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Speaker 1: Commissioner, is it going to be hard to police.

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Speaker 2: Well? Policing in it of itself is clearly a challenging

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Speaker 2: operating environment. But again, the reason we've tried to adopt

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Speaker 2: an education further process throughout Chisela's in relatively good stead

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Speaker 2: is certainly encouraging for me. I think the general public

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Speaker 2: of the Northern territory've understood the approach we've tried to

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Speaker 2: move to an awesome model for those who are unvaccinated

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Speaker 2: to who are going to try and create that border

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Speaker 2: issue and make some selfish choices. We're going to be

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Speaker 1: Now. We know that the travel categories are an interesting

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Speaker 1: and interesting thing to largely they seem as though it's

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Speaker 1: sort of fairly similar to what we're doing right now,

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Speaker 1: but it certainly gives people a bit of a clearer understanding.

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Speaker 1: Those green zones are the orange and then the red.

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Speaker 1: How are they going to be managed? Though? On the borders.

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Speaker 1: I imagine that when you arrive on a plane, it's

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Speaker 1: quite an easy process at the airport, but how things

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Speaker 2: So similarly, we're going to have to maintain a point

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Speaker 2: of entry and we'll be on our primary roadways as

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Speaker 2: an entry point. That the obligation to complete and arrival

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Speaker 2: form has not changed, and we've got relatively good compliance

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Speaker 2: in that respect. The imperative of the arrival form is

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Speaker 2: it gives us the opportunity to be able to make

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Speaker 2: contact with people who have traveled from known locations that

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Speaker 2: So again, it's just a further mitigation of containing any

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Speaker 1: And so will it be police on the borders or

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Speaker 1: will it be that technology?

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Speaker 2: All part of the challenge at the moment, of course

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Speaker 2: be critically aware of CADED, all of our key border

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Speaker 1: And so at this point in time, do we have

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Speaker 1: are we using some of that technology in some spots?

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Speaker 1: So how will these changes impact you when it comes

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Speaker 2: Well, it's highly likely we're going to have to maintain

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Speaker 2: We maintain an AMPR capability, which we'll also maintain across

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Speaker 2: so along the UNDATA track, that pathway that comes in

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Speaker 2: would have seen two infringements issued earlier this week for

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Speaker 1: So Commissioner, you know, it sounds as though obviously with

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Speaker 1: From the police perspective, I guess the difficult thing that's

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Speaker 2: So a key part of the messaging that the chief

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Speaker 2: firm up a lot of these things. What I do

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Speaker 2: not is the Australian government. They're clearly working on how

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Speaker 2: they have that linkage with my GUV into a passport

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Speaker 2: will also double as having the repository for your double

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Speaker 2: due to multitude of medical underlying conditions. So there is

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Speaker 2: But equally, every business, every entity that's operating and or

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Speaker 2: strongly encourage and everyone will have a keen interest, be

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Speaker 2: We want to collectively put our sholder the wheel, which

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Speaker 1: And commissioner, presumably everybody within the police force needs to

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Speaker 1: be vaccinated, that's correct, and so what steps are you

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Speaker 2: So a couple of weeks ago, a foreshadow to my

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Speaker 2: Anti Police Association. So I'm seeking their support for this

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Speaker 2: very very significant issue that people will see the common

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Speaker 2: just waiting on assessing their legal advice to see if

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Speaker 2: very bored by the fact that a large proportion, if

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Speaker 1: But not ruling out obviously taking or going forward with

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Speaker 2: No, not ruling it out at all.

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Speaker 1: And if somebody chooses to not get vaccinated, they may

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Speaker 1: indeed find them selves having to change jobs or change

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Speaker 2: Potentially at the end of the day. The current advice

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Speaker 2: I obviously also have, as do all employers, occupational health

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Speaker 2: It's reasonable in the circumstances. Unless someone has an underlying

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Speaker 1: Commissioner, just a couple of quick ones, because I know

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Speaker 2: At the mind mates, there a products we're looking at,

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Speaker 1: Now, like I touched on before, we know that obviously

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Speaker 2: Again, it's not beyond the realms. That will certainly continue

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Speaker 2: for that. Again, none of these things operate without having

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Speaker 1: Commissioner, just very quickly, we know that the Northern Territory

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Speaker 1: Police yesterday issued seven women, as I understand it, with

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Speaker 1: notices to appear for providing misleading information. Are the seven

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Speaker 1: women all in their twenties and all traveling from Victoria. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're initially granted approval to enter the territory and undertake

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Speaker 1: quarantine before taking up employment office. It offers, how did

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Speaker 1: you become aware that these women were doing the wrong thing?

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Speaker 2: Well, instinct invariably leased police officers to start doing deeper

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Speaker 2: inquiry when they feel that certain things don't present as

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Speaker 2: they should. And that's abefully the pathway that we managed

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Speaker 2: to work through with our health colleagues who went through

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Speaker 2: these they hastened to add people are trying to act

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Speaker 2: in good faith here, particularly from the response of allowing

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Speaker 2: people to come in for bona fide reasons, but we

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Speaker 2: certainly need to act very quickly and also to be

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Speaker 2: very clear that if you try and bend the rules,

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Speaker 2: if you choose to goot forward things that are inaccurate

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Speaker 2: and make false representations, then you should face sanction as

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Speaker 2: a result, because we're about protecting Northern Territory and that

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Speaker 2: has to be paramount to all what we do.

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Speaker 1: Well. Police Commissioner Jamie Chalker, we appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for having a chat with us.

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Speaker 2: You welcome, Katie, have a good day.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You two