Speaker 1: Koday, Peter Hell, are you here? Welcome to you ain't
Speaker 1: seen nothing yet.
Speaker 2: The Movie Podcast were arch out to a movie lover
Speaker 2: about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite got
Speaker 2: around to watching until now. And today's guests journalists broadcaster
Speaker 2: podcaster Zanro.
Speaker 3: All below.
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 4: Stay here with you.
Speaker 5: Gay to the jobber, my halt, snake shucked, my hail,
Speaker 5: haven't a right, So you.
Speaker 3: Ain't seen nothing new.
Speaker 2: Zanro has been on a media landscape for many years now.
Speaker 1: Triple J listeners would know her for Morning.
Speaker 2: She must have done at least a decade at the Jays,
Speaker 2: then over to Double Jay. She does a great podcast
Speaker 2: with my great mate Mif Warhurst called bang On. It's
Speaker 2: a huge podcast where they discussed the pop culture of
Speaker 2: the week.
Speaker 1: What I said last week at the end of last.
Speaker 2: Week's show when I was guest hooking today's episode about
Speaker 2: Zan is I feel like zan has become like the
Speaker 2: Molly Meldrum of our era.
Speaker 1: And let me be very clear on this.
Speaker 2: There are many, many, many, many differences between Molly Melgrum
Speaker 2: and Zan Row. But when I grew up, Molly was
Speaker 2: the voice of music. We went to him to find
Speaker 2: out what was you, what was happening?
Speaker 1: What was cool?
Speaker 2: And I feel like zanro is this generation's Molly Melodrum.
Speaker 2: Like I said, many many other differences, but as far
Speaker 2: as being the quintessential voice of a generation when it
Speaker 2: comes to music in this I think Zan is right
Speaker 2: up there. She has an extraordinary show which I think
Speaker 2: started as a feature on her radio show, then moved
Speaker 2: to it into podcast form, and now it has become
Speaker 2: a television show called Take five, where she chats to celebrities, musicians,
Speaker 2: artists about the five songs that have I guess helped
Speaker 2: shape them. It's an extraordinary series. Series one was great.
Speaker 2: For series two which I haven't seen yet, but check
Speaker 2: out the names of the people Zan has got on
Speaker 2: this series coming up on the ABC. Does the name
Speaker 2: Nol Gallagher mean anything to you? That's right, You've written
Speaker 2: some of the greatest songs of all time. Sits down
Speaker 2: with Zan to chat about the songs that mean the
Speaker 2: most to him. Nataline Brullier amazing, Jimmy Barnes, Barnesy himself.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait to see that episode.
Speaker 2: Mark Cole Smith, G Flip I love g Flip Pie
Speaker 2: supporter It to go The pies, by the way. And
Speaker 2: if that isn't a big enough guest list for Xandro's
Speaker 2: Take five, she just finishes it off with none other
Speaker 2: than Lynn Manuel, Miranda, the Man Behind in the Heights,
Speaker 2: and of course Hamilton. That will be a must view appointment.
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to see all of those episodes. It
Speaker 2: sounds extraordinary, zan who, I must say, Admittedly we've only
Speaker 2: met a handful of times. The most time we've probably
Speaker 2: spent together was at the Grapes of Mirth festival over
Speaker 2: in Adelaide that Merrick Watch runs. Able to hang out
Speaker 2: a bit more there, But Zanni's intelligence, She's fun She's funny,
Speaker 2: and I'm bloody stoked to be hanging with her today.
Speaker 6: Hi, I'm Zanro and my three favorite films are stop
Speaker 6: making sense save as it ever was, save its lost
Speaker 6: in translation.
Speaker 7: So what are you doing here?
Speaker 8: A couple of things, taking a break from my wife,
Speaker 8: forgetting my son's birthday and getting paid two million dollars
Speaker 8: to endorse a whiskey when I could be doing a
Speaker 8: play somewhere. But the good news is the whiskey works.
Speaker 1: What are you doing?
Speaker 7: And in the mood for love, I'll think.
Speaker 1: I'm not mam on my part. Come, yeah, that's the assummation.
Speaker 7: Up until this week, I had never seen a fish
Speaker 7: cold wonder, Barlie.
Speaker 1: You let me know if anything I'd expected to.
Speaker 7: Don't I recognize you?
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 7: Oh but you are a famous barrister, aren't you?
Speaker 1: Oh hardly? Well could I have your autograph anyway?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, certainly.
Speaker 1: Thanks.
Speaker 9: I'm studying aspects of your legal system.
Speaker 7: I'm American. Oh really, I've only just started though.
Speaker 3: It's fascinating.
Speaker 1: What what brings you here? Oh, it's a little embarrassing.
Speaker 8: Eight have a friend?
Speaker 4: Oh oh I see, well there you are.
Speaker 7: I do it your archie leash Leitch right. I saw
Speaker 7: you in court two weeks ago.
Speaker 3: The casino breaking.
Speaker 4: Oh you were great.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 7: I'm a big fan of yours.
Speaker 9: I love the way you are across examine.
Speaker 7: Oh, I really admire your work.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: It's nineteen eighty eight London and a bank heist is
Speaker 2: about to go down, committed by an unlikely quartet of
Speaker 2: Americans and Brits.
Speaker 1: We've got the.
Speaker 2: Boss George played by Tom Georgison, Animal Lover and Stammara Ken,
Speaker 2: Michael Palin, Xcia, weapons and Wanna be Intellectual Otto played
Speaker 2: by Kevin Klein, any surprising Oscar winning role and of course,
Speaker 2: a more recent Oscar winner. Jamie Lee Curtis everything everywhere,
Speaker 2: all at once, playing Wanda Gershwitz, the smartest criminal in
Speaker 2: the pack of mostly stupid men. Wanders playing everybody and
Speaker 2: has her eye on the treasure chest at the bottom
Speaker 2: of Ken's fish tank. Wander wants it all to herself,
Speaker 2: but a puppeteering goes to the next level when she
Speaker 2: befriends the now arrested George's lawyer Archie Leach, played of
Speaker 2: course by comedy legend John Clees, a man who's moribund
Speaker 2: home life is just what Wonder is counting on. Directed
Speaker 2: by seventy eight year old Charles Crichton, also nominated for
Speaker 2: an Oscar for this He also co wrote with John Cleese,
Speaker 2: who were both nominated for an Oscer for Best Original Screenplay.
Speaker 2: A Fish Good Wonder was a big comedy blockbuster upon release,
Speaker 2: and cleis'es and Palan's most successful non Python cinematic output,
Speaker 2: a keenly paced crime caper with laughs, twists and great performances.
Speaker 1: Zanro, Have you ever stuck chips up Anyone's.
Speaker 6: Nose, I haven't, and I was thinking, what a great
Speaker 6: way to torture someone. I was really worried in that scene.
Speaker 7: And not just chips, but chips. One of them had
Speaker 7: sauce on the end of it.
Speaker 2: How did not sneeze is something that kind of gives
Speaker 2: it the next you can almost feel it. It's more
Speaker 2: uncomfortable because of the source.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you could imagine the kind of spiciness and the sweetness,
Speaker 6: but also I guess it acts as a bit of
Speaker 6: lube for the chip as well, makes it slight even
Speaker 6: more up the nostril, the nose cavity.
Speaker 7: That was an intense scene. I was like, much like
Speaker 7: a lot of this film, fell very on edge, like
Speaker 7: everything was about to fall apart in that scene.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a comedy.
Speaker 2: It's a comedy scene, you know, but it is You're right,
Speaker 2: he is really strugging the breeze, he's got the pair
Speaker 2: in his mouth, he's got the chips up his nose.
Speaker 7: There's a violence in this film people don't talk about.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And somebody in Denmark actually laughed so hard at
Speaker 2: this scene that they died, so to.
Speaker 1: Add to the violence of that scene that is so
Speaker 1: good and.
Speaker 2: Apparently He was laughing so hard, not just because he
Speaker 2: thought the scene was funny, but because he had a
Speaker 2: memory of with his own kids. He was he was
Speaker 2: an older man, and he used to like, they stick
Speaker 2: carrots up their nose and it's whoever could blow the
Speaker 2: carrots out first, or some there's some kind of weird
Speaker 2: family game they played around the family table, and it
Speaker 2: reminded him of that.
Speaker 1: So he was laughing just as much, I think of
Speaker 1: the memory as he was anything on screen.
Speaker 7: And that was the last thing he loved.
Speaker 2: Imagine thinking, as there's one of their kids, that that
Speaker 2: game eventually costs.
Speaker 7: The father's his life as Darwin, isn't it it is?
Speaker 2: It is dosed carrots up your nose or chips for
Speaker 2: that matter. Thank you for coming on, Thanks for having
Speaker 2: me a fish, good wonder. I saw this in the cinema,
Speaker 2: So I was thirteen when this comes out. Massive year
Speaker 2: for comedies, by the way, like We Are eighty eight, Beetlejuice, Twins,
Speaker 2: Dirty Rotten Scoundrels who Frame runs a Rabbit, Heathers, Big
Speaker 2: Naked Gun, Midnight Run, Working Girl Coming to America Beaches,
Speaker 2: Dundee two, and of course Young Einstein.
Speaker 7: I just listed all of us on my favorite films.
Speaker 1: That that's an.
Speaker 2: Extraordinary bunch of films from one year, and they're comedies.
Speaker 2: You add to that rain Man Cocktails almost a comedy,
Speaker 2: Miss Sippi, Burning Bulder, and Mistic Pizza Willow Missing Pizza.
Speaker 1: That's a good year for movies.
Speaker 6: I was actually gonna pick Coming to America and then
Speaker 6: I decided not to. But that's wild to hear you
Speaker 6: rattle those off, because one of the reasons I've never
Speaker 6: seen a fish called Wander is that I was ten
Speaker 6: years old when it came out. But I've seen all
Speaker 6: of those other films and I was the same age.
Speaker 6: So there's something in this film that we're talking about
Speaker 6: today that clearly my parents thought was inappropriate or I
Speaker 6: somehow didn't watch through my brothers, which is how I
Speaker 6: saw all the stuff that I wasn't supposed to my
Speaker 6: big brothers, who ended up playing it for me. But
Speaker 6: it's wild because I just did not realize that I
Speaker 6: was ten years old when all those other films came
Speaker 6: out as well, and I watched them all.
Speaker 1: You watched The.
Speaker 7: Beetlejuice is one of my favorites in iconic film.
Speaker 1: Iconic Film Iconic Musical coming to make Iconic cast. We
Speaker 1: had any Perfect Onne.
Speaker 2: Recently, I only saw I for the first time for
Speaker 2: this podcast we did with Mat Velvo, and it I
Speaker 2: loved it.
Speaker 1: Like that was I'm not sure why.
Speaker 2: It's interesting when you think back at the reasons why,
Speaker 2: and sometimes you just like, I just haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: But sometimes is like I reckon Beetlejuice. This did not
Speaker 2: appeal to me in any kind of way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: Back then. I was just in the different kind of comedies.
Speaker 1: I liked John Hughes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stuff playing strains and anobiles is my favorite all time, and.
Speaker 7: Tim Burton is the opposite of that. Like it was dark,
Speaker 7: it was grotesque.
Speaker 6: It's funny actually when you think about like someone like
Speaker 6: Michael Keaton and Katherine O'Hara, who were huge parts of that,
Speaker 6: and they had a huge kind of career around that time,
Speaker 6: but then they sort of went silent, and then they've
Speaker 6: come back up in the later parts of their career
Speaker 6: and both being celebrated. But they were always kind of
Speaker 6: odd and brilliant throughout their whole career, and you saw
Speaker 6: that in the very beginning in that eighty eight classic
Speaker 6: with Beetlejuice. I'm a massive Tim Burton fan, so I
Speaker 6: loved that film.
Speaker 2: I'm so thrilled for Michael Keaton because I mean, Kevin O'Hara,
Speaker 2: I felt like, you know, I was doing the Homerlone movies,
Speaker 2: which which wasn't the star of obviously, you know, and
Speaker 2: irresponsible parenting whatever, and was in the Christopher Guest. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we still had eyes on Catherine Ahara. But I think
Speaker 2: Michael Keaton's in with Disappear.
Speaker 7: Yeah, like was he was out in the wilderness.
Speaker 2: He was always great and funny, was a batman and
Speaker 2: then just disappeared. So I'm trying to remember what film
Speaker 2: it was that I saw him in. It wasn't Birdman.
Speaker 2: It was like a I think it was the other
Speaker 2: Guys with Will Ferrell and Mark Wahlberg, and he just
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he was just in that film.
Speaker 1: It's like there he is, there he is, and he's
Speaker 1: just gone. Obviously from strength to strength. Love Keaton. Great
Speaker 1: to have him back. Michael. If you're listening, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about your three favorite films some big ones
Speaker 2: here stopped making sense, tell us about stop making and
Speaker 2: then not making sense?
Speaker 1: Is the is that the musical?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a concert films film, and many people call
Speaker 6: it like the greatest concert film ever made. So it's
Speaker 6: made by Jonathan Deme, who did Signs of Lamps among
Speaker 6: many other great films. He made this concert film which
Speaker 6: was completely constructed on a Talking Heads concert. And if
Speaker 6: you've ever seen that image, that famous image of David
Speaker 6: Byrne with the giant suit, like the oversized suit, that's
Speaker 6: what it comes from, a constant stop making sense. They're big, gray,
Speaker 6: larger than life suit and stop making sense. Was a
Speaker 6: film that, even though it was a concert and there
Speaker 6: was a live audience, you never see the audience, not
Speaker 6: once it's all shot looking at the stage, So then
Speaker 6: you become the audience. And what they do is they're
Speaker 6: almost like on a theater stage, which if you've ever
Speaker 6: worked in theater, or you've seen a film about theater,
Speaker 6: then you know that you kind of strip back all
Speaker 6: the curtains, all the dressing, and there's ropes and there's pulleys,
Speaker 6: and it's basically like the skeleton. And that's this opening
Speaker 6: scene of the film where David Byrne leads her of
Speaker 6: Talking Heads walks out and he puts a like a boombox,
Speaker 6: a cassette player out on the middle of the stage
Speaker 6: and presses play and it's the drum beat, the drum
Speaker 6: machine beat of Psycho Killer, and that's where it begins.
Speaker 6: And it's him with that cassette drum beat and an
Speaker 6: acoustic guitar and he plays Psycho Killer. And then the
Speaker 6: film opens from there and builds and builds and builds.
Speaker 6: And if you know anything about the music of Talking Heads,
Speaker 6: one of my favorite bands of all time, they had
Speaker 6: you know, started as a kind of post punk band,
Speaker 6: but then had this incredible career where just all kinds
Speaker 6: of wild stuff, afro beat, you know, collaborating with Brian,
Speaker 6: you know, all these like wild sort of offshoots, and
Speaker 6: that's all captured in this film. As they build the stage,
Speaker 6: so they have not just the core members of Talking Heads,
Speaker 6: but they've got all the amazing extra you know, players
Speaker 6: that people on the congas, the backing singers, Bernie were
Speaker 6: l on the keys, and it just builds and builds,
Speaker 6: and they have curtains and it just becomes bigger and
Speaker 6: bigger and it's just a work of art. And I
Speaker 6: know we're not talking about that, but I just talked
Speaker 6: about it for about three minutes. It's just so phenomenal
Speaker 6: and it's interesting, like when you ask me this question,
Speaker 6: the worst question ever, by the way, and I know
Speaker 6: that I do this everything.
Speaker 1: There's an irony here.
Speaker 7: Oh, I do this every week.
Speaker 1: I would take that for any other guess I asked.
Speaker 6: I hate people asking me the thing that I asked
Speaker 6: them every week, or were like the holdest one hundred voting.
Speaker 7: You're like, don't ask me about my ten favorite songs.
Speaker 7: That was a terrible thing to do, but I tried it.
Speaker 6: When these questions are posed to me and they are
Speaker 6: thrown back on me, believe me more than more than
Speaker 6: you think.
Speaker 7: I try to go with my gut. And that was
Speaker 7: the first thing that popped into my head.
Speaker 6: And it's actually just been remastered and Talking Heads just
Speaker 6: recently got together again for the first time. They had
Speaker 6: a very bad breakup, and they were at the Toronto
Speaker 6: Film Festival for the premiere of this and they were
Speaker 6: together for the first time in years, maybe decades, for
Speaker 6: the launch of this. So if you've never seen Stop
Speaker 6: Making Sense, I think it's been It's been remastered and
Speaker 6: reissued for its anniversary of some kind.
Speaker 1: Because what year roughly did it come out?
Speaker 7: I'm trying to think if it's maybe twenty fifth anniversary.
Speaker 7: Was it eighty eight?
Speaker 1: Oh my god?
Speaker 7: Was it eighty eight?
Speaker 2: Was that thirty one of the that's it wasn't eighty eight.
Speaker 1: It was a naked gun instead of making sense, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, naked guy. Yeah, I was running lake for
Speaker 1: the Northland.
Speaker 7: I need to Should I look it up? Should I
Speaker 7: google it?
Speaker 1: What if?
Speaker 6: And I do all the time in our podcast because
Speaker 6: we're highly professional, we're just in the middle of it.
Speaker 7: Get it, Just google all right? Nineteen eighty four?
Speaker 1: Eighty four? Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 7: Okay, so forty years.
Speaker 1: What makes a good music documentary work? What are the
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 2: I noticed many different ways as life concerts and there's
Speaker 2: you know, there's archival footage of people.
Speaker 1: What do you like to see in a music doco?
Speaker 6: I like it when people do it differently, which is
Speaker 6: what Jonathan dem did. It didn't do something where it's
Speaker 6: the classic show the crowd and have the behind the
Speaker 6: scenes and it was just it was a beautifully directed
Speaker 6: concept of as I said, putting you as the audience
Speaker 6: and you can hear crowd noise, but you're in the
Speaker 6: center of it. One of the other great docos that
Speaker 6: I saw in the last probably fifteen twenty years was
Speaker 6: The Devil and Daniel Johnston. Daniel Johnson was a kind
Speaker 6: of outside artists who released a lot of music on
Speaker 6: cassette and lo fi, and he dealt with a lot
Speaker 6: of mental health issues through his life, and he had
Speaker 6: a really interesting family, really interesting story, and he's kind
Speaker 6: of one of those people. It's like, you know, there's
Speaker 6: so many people who had no idea who he was.
Speaker 6: But the way that documentary was constructed through animation, through
Speaker 6: old cassette tapes, through the opposite of and I know
Speaker 6: this sounds ironic talking heads, but I mean that in
Speaker 6: the way of literally talking faces people just you know,
Speaker 6: like Bono's in every goddamn music documentary.
Speaker 7: That is not what I want to see.
Speaker 6: I don't want to hear Bono's opinion on every band
Speaker 6: and every musician in the world. Give Larier chats, give
Speaker 6: ad No one ever hears from Adam, do they But
Speaker 6: the yeah, just things people that do things a little
Speaker 6: bit differently. And I think that that's what makes film
Speaker 6: and experiences like that stand out, because you're so used
Speaker 6: to seeing the classic, you know, conservative way of making documentaries,
Speaker 6: voiceover archive, talking heads, people talking about things, and these
Speaker 6: films that I'm drop to it just things that do
Speaker 6: it differently.
Speaker 1: Did you watch the Beatles doco this.
Speaker 7: Twelve hour one?
Speaker 1: I've watched part of it.
Speaker 6: Like all things in streaming services, you start it and
Speaker 6: then you forget about it and you never go back.
Speaker 2: So I watched it because it kind of came out,
Speaker 2: I think, over the summer, and I watched it between that.
Speaker 1: I love the glorious period between Christmas and New Year.
Speaker 1: Some people don't like it.
Speaker 7: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's amazing because everything stops. You don't feel good about
Speaker 2: doing nothing. Yeah, and then that's when I watched it,
Speaker 2: and I loved it.
Speaker 7: That's the kind of languid time that you need to
Speaker 7: watch it.
Speaker 1: It is. Yeah.
Speaker 7: I got to see a little preview of that before
Speaker 7: it ed.
Speaker 6: And this is something that I don't think has been
Speaker 6: broadcast anywhere else in terms of shown to the public.
Speaker 6: And it was fascinating because it showed the process of
Speaker 6: using AI that Peter Jackson did to clean up the
Speaker 6: you know the film. This was stuff that was filmed
Speaker 6: in the room with one mic and so it was
Speaker 6: muddy as and he basically used AI to go through,
Speaker 6: you know, hundreds of hours of footage and clean up
Speaker 6: and isolate those sounds so that they could pick out,
Speaker 6: you know, John's guitar away from his voice and really
Speaker 6: isolate that make it clear and obvious. So they did
Speaker 6: a bit of AI and CGI on the on their
Speaker 6: faces as well, which I thought was pretty good. But yeah,
Speaker 6: I found that fascinating to kind of how you revisit
Speaker 6: history and make it clearer.
Speaker 7: And I think you did such a beautiful job of that.
Speaker 7: That's where AI is our friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, with just having a brief chat off air about
Speaker 2: where we're going to land with AI, I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's going to play a big part of our lives.
Speaker 2: So we can't ignore it and we can't not use
Speaker 2: it for the good offers. But it's dangerous.
Speaker 6: This is the robot promise that we were promised in
Speaker 6: the Jetsons to clean our house. You know how we
Speaker 6: always thought that technology will make our lives easier, and
Speaker 6: I think that we've all seen that it just makes
Speaker 6: our lives more dense, confusing, mental health, you know, terrible,
Speaker 6: all that sort of stuff. But I'm hoping that AI
Speaker 6: cuts out all the boring jobs and makes things easier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think we're focusing more on the
Speaker 2: white spacesuits than we were.
Speaker 1: I don't think the white space it's going to happen,
Speaker 1: to be honest.
Speaker 7: It all comes down to the dream of the screen,
Speaker 7: doesn't it.
Speaker 1: We weren't thinking big enough back then.
Speaker 2: Lost in Translation what a great film, of course, Sculle
Speaker 2: Johansen and Bill Murray. I was hoping to do this
Speaker 2: listeners ready, listeners will know. I was hoping to do
Speaker 2: this with Dan Connell, fantastic comedian. We sat down like
Speaker 2: we are now. I was doing introduction. I saw like
Speaker 2: a little his face kind of this change. The blood
Speaker 2: drained out of his face. And when I said, what
Speaker 2: do you think of Lost in Translation?
Speaker 1: He said, I actually watched Fear and Loathing.
Speaker 2: So I can't actually, and I was done on my prep.
Speaker 2: I'd watched it a couple of times. I had my
Speaker 2: notes where to they go Lost in Translations in my
Speaker 2: brain and very similar films, very similar. So I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward to covering it as a whole episode. But yeah,
Speaker 2: fantastic film.
Speaker 6: Beautiful film, and I just it's one of those films
Speaker 6: that it's sort of I can watch it time and
Speaker 6: time again and love it every moment. It's just so
Speaker 6: many iconic shots in that film. I love Bill Murray
Speaker 6: Johansson is incredible in this film. The soundtrack, you know,
Speaker 6: I find that I'm constantly drawn to films. I think
Speaker 6: the next one's a saying that have just amazing soundtracks.
Speaker 6: But Sophia Coppler, I think knowing that what I've heard
Speaker 6: is that this was kind of based on her own
Speaker 6: experiences when she was with Spike Jones. And yeah, and
Speaker 6: Anna faris the places that Cameron Diaz character and is like,
Speaker 6: you can't you can't not know. Once you hear that,
Speaker 6: you can't un you know, and it makes it even
Speaker 6: more fun. And Giovanni Rubisi of course is the sort
Speaker 6: of Spike Jones character. But the it's just such a
Speaker 6: beautiful film and there's just so many beautiful moments that
Speaker 6: I think that the mystery of film and films that
Speaker 6: enable you to find your own meaning of the have
Speaker 6: real power too. That iconic scene at the end where
Speaker 6: they're in the middle of it's probably like Shibby, you're
Speaker 6: crossing or something. A really hectic part of Tokyo and
Speaker 6: they're saying goodbye. I'm getting shivers as I'm just relaying it.
Speaker 6: They're saying goodbye and he they're holding each other and
Speaker 6: then he sort of grabs her head and whispers something
Speaker 6: in her ear and will never know what that is,
Speaker 6: but everyone imagines what it is, and it will be
Speaker 6: different for every person, and it's so powerful and it
Speaker 6: never gets old, and I just I love that film.
Speaker 7: It's just such a joy.
Speaker 1: I did go.
Speaker 6: You know how you like you find your way? And
Speaker 6: I think the film we're talking about today is a
Speaker 6: perfect example. You find little quotes from films that just
Speaker 6: get stuck in your head and you use them in
Speaker 6: your own dialogue with people every day. So anybody who's
Speaker 6: seen Lost in Translation knows that there's at the Parquid
Speaker 6: Hotel where they're both staying. There's like an American band,
Speaker 6: jazz band that's playing in the New York bar, which
Speaker 6: is where they go and hang out, and they're.
Speaker 7: Called SASA Leader. We're sus A Leader. We're glad to
Speaker 7: be here.
Speaker 6: I reckon every other day I will say to my boyfriend,
Speaker 6: we're Sasa Leader, We're glad to.
Speaker 7: Be here, Like I doesn't make it. He says, it's
Speaker 7: just love obsessed with it.
Speaker 6: It's just like this shit band who were getting paid
Speaker 6: to Masa to just be background music to people's affairs
Speaker 6: and what have you.
Speaker 1: And this is there an Australian loundsinger in that.
Speaker 6: Ye, my god, I need to get in contact with
Speaker 6: her and tell her that her lines my folklore.
Speaker 2: And then every time I have a suntory whiskey, of course,
Speaker 2: you know it's suntory time times. I mean that scene
Speaker 2: alone is just so funny when he's getting directed.
Speaker 1: Yes, no idea what anyone's saying, it is. It is great.
Speaker 2: I love that film and I feel really I remember
Speaker 2: feeling even at the time, really happy for Sophia Coppola
Speaker 2: because because I feel she got such a raw deal
Speaker 2: off the back of Godfather Part three when she came
Speaker 2: in late for Winona Writer in a bit of a
Speaker 2: weird part, because she's kind of, you know, got a
Speaker 2: romantic interest with her cousin Andy Garcia, like the characters
Speaker 2: in the film. So to see her kind of find
Speaker 2: her place in the filmmaking world with such an extraordinary film,
Speaker 2: and she's well and truly obviously found it.
Speaker 6: Now she's extraordinary Yeah, she's amazing. I think people often
Speaker 6: criticize her as well for writing to personally. Obviously that
Speaker 6: was based on her life people. The other film that
Speaker 6: she directed that was similar to Only Your Life, that
Speaker 6: Sophia Coppola would have was Somewhere with Oh Yeah Yeah,
Speaker 6: where the guy I forget what's his name? He was
Speaker 6: like a heart throw back in the day, and he
Speaker 6: basically plays this washed up actor. He lives at the
Speaker 6: Chateau Marmons, Like who lives at the Chateau Mama? Probably
Speaker 6: the Copplers. I'm gonna I'm just gonna rent out an
Speaker 6: apartment and when I need to cook, I'll just call
Speaker 6: downstairs and they'll go and get my shopping for me.
Speaker 1: It's like what he's got in his hotel room?
Speaker 7: Who is that guy, Stephen Dorf?
Speaker 6: That's it Stephen Dorf who had his moment and he
Speaker 6: kind of came to that film after his moment and
Speaker 6: it was a bit of a comeback.
Speaker 7: But then I haven't heard from him.
Speaker 1: Since until Somewhere Too comes out.
Speaker 7: It's a fair couple of doesn't do sequels, and.
Speaker 1: She has a Jackie is a Jackie No no, m
Speaker 1: Priscilla coming out soon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, which looks like another heady, wild dreamscape of her film.
Speaker 6: This is She just she's a very immersive filmmaker, and
Speaker 6: it it's beautiful to watch those films and be drawn
Speaker 6: into them and fall into that world.
Speaker 2: A film I haven't seen, and it's on my list
Speaker 2: because it's come up a couple of times top of
Speaker 2: my head. Claire Bowditch and Zach Fromani Donner both sided
Speaker 2: in the Mood for Love as one of their three
Speaker 2: favorite films.
Speaker 1: Why do you love this film so much?
Speaker 6: I was lucky to see this film when I was
Speaker 6: studying cinema and university and you know, like anything like
Speaker 6: doing this podcast, like a book club. It's great when
Speaker 6: someone recommends something to you and says, hey, check this out,
Speaker 6: because I might not have found it otherwise. It's a
Speaker 6: Oneka Wi film, Hong Kong film director. It took the
Speaker 6: world by storm in two thousand and when it came out,
Speaker 6: and it's this beautiful film that is about two people
Speaker 6: whose respective partners cheat on them, and then they meet
Speaker 6: up heartbroken and kind of almost recreate what it would
Speaker 6: be like to There's very little dialogue in this film,
Speaker 6: but they recreate, you know, the the cheating as though
Speaker 6: almost like to sort of make sense of it, but
Speaker 6: in the process of that, they're kind of falling in love.
Speaker 6: And it's one of those films. It's got again one
Speaker 6: of the most beautiful soundtracks. Everything's very slow. The coloring
Speaker 6: of this film, the coloration of it and the tones
Speaker 6: and the feel of it is just it's it's got
Speaker 6: some weight, like it's a sexy film because it's nothing
Speaker 6: really happens, but it's just waiting to happen, like the tension.
Speaker 6: You can cut through it, and it is just beautiful,
Speaker 6: like it's like watching a symphony. I know that sounds
Speaker 6: like a really wanky thing to say, but you're just
Speaker 6: completely drawn in by it, and I just love it
Speaker 6: and that kind of I think watching that film and
Speaker 6: then studying a lot of his other films through university
Speaker 6: just gave me a great appreciation of a director.
Speaker 7: That I might not have come across on my own.
Speaker 7: So I was really grateful for that.
Speaker 2: Speaking of cinema from that part of the world. I
Speaker 2: haven't mentioned this to you, but I did see you
Speaker 2: tweet it recently. I just caught up with the film
Speaker 2: Past Lives this week. I'm sure it was you who tweeted.
Speaker 6: It, Yeah, because I did to take five with the
Speaker 6: director Selene Song best film of the years, isn't it amazing?
Speaker 3: It is?
Speaker 6: Well you would love in the mood for love because
Speaker 6: this is all about that, about those unrequired or the
Speaker 6: tension of things that almost happen.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, but don't quite get there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really and I just want to shout that
Speaker 2: film out if you get a chance. I saw it
Speaker 2: in a cinema this week, and then I was caught
Speaker 2: a flight home this morning and watched.
Speaker 6: It again, like, just what was your reaction after that
Speaker 6: final scene? And there's no spoilers here, but everyone's reaction
Speaker 6: is different again depending on their own take and their
Speaker 6: own experiences in life.
Speaker 1: I thought it was perfect.
Speaker 2: It felt like a beautifully made movie that felt more
Speaker 2: like real life than most movies I've seen. Like there's
Speaker 2: a scene where so basically you have these two Korean kids,
Speaker 2: a boy and a girl, almost like soulmates to begin,
Speaker 2: you know, at a young age there may be ten yeah,
Speaker 2: and then the girl family moves to Canada, and then
Speaker 2: she finds her way to New York and is now
Speaker 2: no Nola, Nola, Nora, Nora, Nora, Nora, and loses contact
Speaker 2: with her friend, and then they finally after all these years,
Speaker 2: get back in contact. Then over skype, they're kind of
Speaker 2: almost they're quite clearly falling kind of in love with
Speaker 2: each other, but they know they're not going to be
Speaker 2: able to catch up anytime soon. So she kind of says,
Speaker 2: I can't do this anymore. I can't have these conversations.
Speaker 2: Let's just down the track. Well, she moves on, she
Speaker 2: gets married, and he eventually comes over, but she's already married.
Speaker 2: So I thought the husband was kind of interesting, and
Speaker 2: he actually is. Is a point where he does say,
Speaker 2: I'm the white American villain in the movie that it's
Speaker 2: getting the way of your love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, and I think it was.
Speaker 2: It was kind of clever to make that point and
Speaker 2: also make the point they're not necessarily going down that
Speaker 2: down that road.
Speaker 1: I loved it. It stays with you, It really stays.
Speaker 6: With me, stays with you, and it kind of sneaks
Speaker 6: up a little bit. I saw it at the Melbourne
Speaker 6: Film Festival and I just wanted to crawl into the
Speaker 6: alleyway and next the cinema and bare my hearts out,
Speaker 6: you know, And you just need a good, healthy cry, yeah,
Speaker 6: but not in a sad way, just to know whoa
Speaker 6: That was like a real emotional gut punch and so
Speaker 6: beautiful and powerful. But then I just I couldn't stop
Speaker 6: thinking about it, and I still think about it. I'm
Speaker 6: glad you're talking about it because it just you know,
Speaker 6: it's such a stunning movie that everyone should see it.
Speaker 7: You know, it's based on Selene's song's own story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've been doing all that youtubeing. I might
Speaker 2: have to listen to your reviewer.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's built built into something a lot bigger, but
Speaker 6: it's basically her. There's a scene in the film where
Speaker 6: she's sitting at the bar and she's got her American
Speaker 6: husband on one side and her childhood sweetheart on the other,
Speaker 6: and she is there's almost a narrator sort of wondering
Speaker 6: about this situation, what is going on here? How these
Speaker 6: people related to each other? And she said, that's when
Speaker 6: the idea came to her. She found herself sitting at
Speaker 6: a bar and this is exact thing was happening, and
Speaker 6: she was like, this is funny. And she's a playwright,
Speaker 6: so she wrote a story about it become her debut
Speaker 6: film directed, and it's just like, what an incredible debut
Speaker 6: film and she's just amazing.
Speaker 2: It's got Credit Lely, who people might know from Morning Wars,
Speaker 2: and she's extraordinary. The whole cast is extraordinary.
Speaker 6: She was in Russian Doll as well. She was Natasha
Speaker 6: Leon's housemate. She's great playing a really different character though
Speaker 6: in this film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like everything I've seen her and she's kind of had,
Speaker 2: you know, like in Morning Wars she's really tough and
Speaker 2: hard and a carriage still got that. She's ambitious, but
Speaker 2: she's you know, she's more vulnerable. It makes you think
Speaker 2: of all those sliding moments in your own life. Yes,
Speaker 2: when I was this has come up on this podcast before.
Speaker 2: In fact, I think last week with Merrick when we
Speaker 2: did Before Sunrise, which actually is not a world away
Speaker 2: from past lives, and I was going with the Finish Girl,
Speaker 2: and I've often kind of thought if that worked out
Speaker 2: and I went over there to Finland for a while,
Speaker 2: and if that hadn't worked out, what would have my
Speaker 2: life look like now? The universe I want to be
Speaker 2: very clear on this. The universes gave me overwhelming evidence
Speaker 2: that everything worked out exactly how it's worked out, the
Speaker 2: way I met my wife was so extraordinary and against
Speaker 2: all odds that you know, it's irrefutable that I'm where
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be. But you kind of go, like
Speaker 2: you do, go, what if that happened? If I had
Speaker 2: jumped on a plane, then if I'd have started commedy
Speaker 2: in London? Would have would have things have worked out?
Speaker 2: Would I have been a regular on the English circuit?
Speaker 2: Would I have been shit out after three or four
Speaker 2: gigs and given up? Like so, this makes you think
Speaker 2: of all those sliding door moments in your own life.
Speaker 6: And that's why these films are so successful because you can,
Speaker 6: like it's like good music, like a good pop song.
Speaker 6: If you can find your own story in it, then
Speaker 6: you connect to it. And that's why these films are
Speaker 6: so beautiful and so successful.
Speaker 2: And these films are seemingly as small little films about
Speaker 2: massive things conceptively simple.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I feel like I want more films like that.
Speaker 6: If and I often talk about that. It's like, you know,
Speaker 6: French film nails it, ninety minutes, get in, get out,
Speaker 6: small stories, but big concepts, and this is life. I
Speaker 6: know that you know Poe was talking to you about
Speaker 6: this few weeks ago when you talked about Moonstruck, which
Speaker 6: I recently saw as well, and the it feels very real,
Speaker 6: and I think that sometimes there's audiences are under estimated
Speaker 6: about how much they do want to see real stories,
Speaker 6: like because they have big existential crises and big ideas
Speaker 6: in them, and their ideas that we feel and relate to.
Speaker 6: You know, Marvel films great. You know Oppenheimer Three Hours
Speaker 6: of Men having Meetings? Love it on Imax. Just a sidebar.
Speaker 7: I thought there's going to be a lot more explosions
Speaker 7: in that film. It's fine, but just a lot of meetings.
Speaker 6: But you know, like these ninety minutes just geting, get
Speaker 6: the story done, but also have something that stays with
Speaker 6: you that's profound, like Past Lives. There's a lot of
Speaker 6: value in that, and I love it when audiences react
Speaker 6: to that, and that success has shown because they're some
Speaker 6: of my favorite films.
Speaker 2: My favorite film of last year was In the Way
Speaker 2: I think fits into that Mold, which is the worst
Speaker 2: person in the world.
Speaker 1: I was so good? How good? Was that? So good?
Speaker 2: And these films that just have maybe there's a scene
Speaker 2: in there where it just goes, oh wow, the point
Speaker 2: you just made I've never seen on everything, everywhere, all
Speaker 2: or once.
Speaker 1: I think did it wear a very different kind of film.
Speaker 6: But there's that scene from I've never seen hot dogs
Speaker 6: as fingers before, never, not once. I mean, you're like,
Speaker 6: finally I feel seen to be honest.
Speaker 2: The original scipt for I Love You Too, the movie
Speaker 2: I'm made in twenty ten people Dinglich had hot dogs
Speaker 2: or fingers, but he arrived on set.
Speaker 1: I think it was in the graphy mood and he
Speaker 1: didn't want to. He didn't see it in my vision.
Speaker 2: But there's a beautiful scene where we get that thing
Speaker 2: about kindness, you know, not being a weakness. It's a strategy,
Speaker 2: you know, like and it helps him navigate through life.
Speaker 2: And I just kind of thought, wow, that is such
Speaker 2: a beautiful way of looking at the world.
Speaker 1: And there are some things that I don't want to
Speaker 1: spoil for past lives.
Speaker 2: There's a scene where, in particular that a lot of
Speaker 2: things are said and I think it's some beautiful messages
Speaker 2: and things that take away and I think the worst
Speaker 2: person in the world did that is well before we
Speaker 2: will talk about the fish called Wanda eventually, before we do,
Speaker 2: if you're listening, you want to get on our speak
Speaker 2: pipe where you're going to sleep. It's basically like an
Speaker 2: answering machine message, get onto it. Follow our links page
Speaker 2: and we have one today. And I'm in a bit
Speaker 2: of trouble zan. Have you seen Field of Dreams?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you build it, they will come or he
Speaker 7: will come.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: You also something that I say all the time that
Speaker 7: applies to so many things in life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it. You loved it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I love a bit of costner.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I also love a bit of a classic American film.
Speaker 1: Yes. So I hadn't seen it, and I watched it
Speaker 1: for the first time, and they've lost and watch it
Speaker 1: for the first time. I didn't. I had some issues
Speaker 1: with it. So, and this is a reaction for of
Speaker 1: my one of my lovely listeners pdpdpd PDPDPT.
Speaker 10: I've been putting up with the top gun flak for years.
Speaker 10: So when you and Tony did that, that's cool. You
Speaker 10: didn't enjoy it, that's okay. I still love that movie.
Speaker 10: But me, Field of Dreams, You've crossed a line there,
Speaker 10: my friend. That is a sensational movie, and I just
Speaker 10: I feel like we need to sit down so I
Speaker 10: can explain some of the things to you, because you
Speaker 10: just seem to have questions. It reminds me of when
Speaker 10: I was in high school and the teachers like explaining
Speaker 10: things that were happening in the book and I couldn't
Speaker 10: read between the lines to see what was going on.
Speaker 10: And I feel like I should be your teacher now
Speaker 10: to help you out. So if you want to watch
Speaker 10: it again and learn about it, I think it would
Speaker 10: benefit your appreciation of an absolutely stunning movie. Love the
Speaker 10: podcast and looking forward to some more fantastic discussions. Thanks mate,
Speaker 10: that was Jason.
Speaker 1: Thank you Jason. What a lovely way.
Speaker 2: You know in this day and age where debate when
Speaker 2: somebody doesn't agree with you, we can get angry and
Speaker 2: you can hear some frustration in Jason's voice.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I will say I did watch it twice. I
Speaker 1: didn't know.
Speaker 2: I just, you know, watch it whilst I was doing
Speaker 2: something else, well, I was folding, washing or something.
Speaker 1: I watched it twice.
Speaker 2: My issue was there was a really good film in there,
Speaker 2: and it works to spite itself in a way, and
Speaker 2: we won't get it all the way back into it,
Speaker 2: but the fact that they're just like it started straight away,
Speaker 2: like they had little you know, a bit of.
Speaker 1: The voice over in the back history of the Family.
Speaker 2: And then Kevin Costner is in a field and he's
Speaker 2: building and they will come and he's like, oh, this happened,
Speaker 2: and I think I'm going to do it, And his
Speaker 2: wife was like, yeah, I think you should.
Speaker 1: Like a little bit of resistance.
Speaker 2: Would have been nice, because I'm sure if I said
Speaker 2: that my wife, somebody said the ghost of the ghost
Speaker 2: of Jack McHale just said to build a footy ground
Speaker 2: in the backyard.
Speaker 1: My wife's not going to go yet. Go for it.
Speaker 6: But life doesn't have narrative efficiency of film though it
Speaker 6: doesn't bee this is you got to get through it.
Speaker 6: I reckon as well that there's a difference when you
Speaker 6: watch something when it's come out and when you've watched it,
Speaker 6: like Field of Dreams over and over again or coming
Speaker 6: to America, you have a different connection to it and
Speaker 6: watching it for the first time when you've seen things.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, I think listen.
Speaker 2: I im thinkto somebody last night, I was doing a
Speaker 2: gig at the Gold Coast and they loved the podcast
Speaker 2: and she said, Love actually was one of my favorite
Speaker 2: films until I listened to you you talk about that.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, are you pro against Well, I'm I'm
Speaker 6: about to judge you with your answer.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of pro. But there's a lot of things
Speaker 2: wrong with that film.
Speaker 7: I think it's terrible. I think it's a spiteful film, right,
Speaker 7: I really dislike it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was a very film.
Speaker 2: It's a very damning episode because I hadn't watched it
Speaker 2: for a long time, and when we watched it, it
Speaker 2: was wow, these things, I mean.
Speaker 1: There's some story. There's some story. Emma Thompson ematms is
Speaker 1: the best thing in it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And that scene, the journey your scene is one
Speaker 2: of the great scenes in movies.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 7: It's devastating.
Speaker 1: But Jason maybe out there, Jason on the phone, this
Speaker 1: is the last time.
Speaker 7: Jason has some sharing to do, some guidance, some teaching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe Jason will do that. This is the
Speaker 2: last episode of this season. I'll talk more about that
Speaker 2: at the end. But thank you for getting onto our
Speaker 2: speak pub Jason. Okay, let's get into it. Xanro Hello,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight, directed by seventy eight year old Charles Crichton,
Speaker 2: who co wrote it with John Cleese. Did you enjoy
Speaker 2: the crime caper comedy A Fish card, wonder, not.
Speaker 7: As much as I thought I would.
Speaker 1: Okay, I wasn't sure. I'm watching it go, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can't pick this one.
Speaker 7: So have you seen it before?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 7: You saw it when it came out.
Speaker 1: And I came out and I hadn't seen it for
Speaker 1: a long time.
Speaker 7: And how do you think it held up?
Speaker 1: Listen?
Speaker 2: I thought I was nervous a couple of times. When
Speaker 2: Michael Palin came on and I remember about this stuttering,
Speaker 2: I thought, how is this gonna be? And I, to
Speaker 2: be honest, I was relieved in that regard because I
Speaker 2: thought it was there for a reason. It wasn't there
Speaker 2: as a punchline. Also, he is the most likable character
Speaker 2: in the by far, by far. He's got the biggest heart,
Speaker 2: He's as smart as anyone in the movie.
Speaker 7: Love Ken.
Speaker 2: Ken's great, So that was a relief. There is that
Speaker 2: little bit of homophobia that was very funny in the eighties,
Speaker 2: supposedly the Kevin Klein trying to kiss Ken. But then
Speaker 2: I was thinking about, well, the argument I think the
Speaker 2: filmmakers would make is, well, he is trying to deflect
Speaker 2: from me the fact that he's just been caught in
Speaker 2: bed with his supposed sister or Wander.
Speaker 1: So I guess that's a legitimate thing he might try
Speaker 1: to do to deflect.
Speaker 7: Oh, they do a lot of stupid things in this film.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, and that is part of the that things
Speaker 6: falling apart constantly, that type route that we're walking throughout
Speaker 6: the whole film. Yeah, and yeah, it was a film
Speaker 6: of a time as well.
Speaker 7: I think that a lot of it.
Speaker 6: I was trying to watch it, and again it speaks
Speaker 6: to the field of dreams, idea and anything that you
Speaker 6: watch when you were growing up. I remember how huge
Speaker 6: this film was when it came out. You know, it
Speaker 6: was one of the biggest films of nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 6: Everyone was talking about it. And I think also if
Speaker 6: you didn't know what it was about, you're like, what
Speaker 6: what is that about? Fish called Wander?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what does that mean?
Speaker 6: I remember the poster, see it into my brain of
Speaker 6: the you know, the five characters, this ensemble cast all
Speaker 6: lined up.
Speaker 1: It was usual suspects, but was totally yes, and it was.
Speaker 7: Just sort of you know, it was a curiosity to me.
Speaker 7: I was like, what is this about? I'm not allowed
Speaker 7: to watch it?
Speaker 1: What is this about?
Speaker 6: And of course I grew up being too young to
Speaker 6: watch Monty Python, but I remember distinctly going to the
Speaker 6: Coburg drive in and seeing what's the Monty Python film
Speaker 6: where they're vikings. It was one late in their career.
Speaker 1: Eric the Holy Grail is Eric the Viking.
Speaker 2: Maybe Eric the Viking, which wasn't I don't think technically
Speaker 2: is a money Python film, but.
Speaker 7: They had a similar sort of cast.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I sort of came in at the tail
Speaker 6: end of that as someone who was kind of understanding
Speaker 6: their absurdest comedy of Monty Python. But I didn't grow
Speaker 6: up with it, so I say, all, this is a
Speaker 6: caveat for someone who didn't. This didn't quite hit live
Speaker 6: and seeing it.
Speaker 1: But I was.
Speaker 7: I had really high expectations.
Speaker 6: That's why when you gave me the list, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I've always meant to see if she's there, And I
Speaker 6: was like, I'm not loving but I think that one
Speaker 6: of the things that I loved most about it, and
Speaker 6: I did enjoy a lot of elements of it, was
Speaker 6: Jamie Lee. Curtis just steals every scene and she's kind
Speaker 6: of like, as you mentioned in the bio, she is
Speaker 6: the smartest of a bunch of idiots who when you
Speaker 6: think about it, like the whole film is it feels
Speaker 6: like again watching a play, which is I guess where
Speaker 6: Monty Python come from as comedians on a stage. That's
Speaker 6: their background, right as being this ensemble cast who bounce
Speaker 6: off each other, who know how to do the dance,
Speaker 6: and they do that on screen very well. And she
Speaker 6: comes in and she's kind of just almost like ping
Speaker 6: ponging between all these different people and screwing them over
Speaker 6: at every stage, and you feel like every like again,
Speaker 6: it's all going to fall apart at any moment, but
Speaker 6: she manages to, like a fish, just scurry away and
Speaker 6: get out of it every time. And that's a great
Speaker 6: dance to watch. And also her outfits are amazing and
Speaker 6: I loved her pixie cut, and I love Jamie Lee Curtis.
Speaker 6: I think watching someone like Jamie Lee, who's had a
Speaker 6: huge and long career but only recently in the Academy's eyes,
Speaker 6: has been really recognized for that. But she's always been great.
Speaker 6: She's always been a really feisty character. She's always had
Speaker 6: that you know, UK American crossover as well, because she's
Speaker 6: obviously been married to Christopher Guests for a long time,
Speaker 6: she hangs out with a bunch of weird, absurdist comedians
Speaker 6: and she knows how to bounce off them and how
Speaker 6: to sort of be the American not bombshell, but like this,
Speaker 6: you know, vixen, Like she's really sexy in this.
Speaker 2: Film, incredibly sexy in this film and got the X factor.
Speaker 2: And she brings her trading places form that she had
Speaker 2: with Eddie Murphy into this and that's where John Clee
Speaker 2: saw her in that and then contacted her. Jamie Lee
Speaker 2: Curtis thought John Clee was only getting in touch with
Speaker 2: her so he could meet Christopher Guest who just released
Speaker 2: This is Spinal Tap and made that, so he was
Speaker 2: kind of hot property. And she's thinking he's just wanting
Speaker 2: to meet in Christopher K I take the call. But
Speaker 2: she is fantastic in this. Let's listen to a scene
Speaker 2: where this is her in Otto, where Otto has basically.
Speaker 1: Offended and I think beaten up Archie junk Lace. You
Speaker 1: said you loved him, That's right, Otto.
Speaker 9: Now here's a multiple choice question for you. Hey, Wanda
Speaker 9: was lying, the Wanda was telling the truth.
Speaker 1: Which one you're gonna pick?
Speaker 7: What was the first one you told me you were
Speaker 7: not planning to see it.
Speaker 9: I know you would come along and fuck it up.
Speaker 9: I was dealing with something delicate. Otto, I'm setting up
Speaker 9: a guy who's incredibly important to us, who's gonna tell
Speaker 9: me where the loot is, and if they're gonna come
Speaker 9: and arrest you, and you'll come loping in like Rambo
Speaker 9: without a jockstrap, and you dangle him at a fifth
Speaker 9: floor window.
Speaker 7: Now was that smart?
Speaker 1: Okay? Was it s trud? Was it good tactics?
Speaker 7: Or was it stupid?
Speaker 1: Don't call me stupid?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 9: To call you stupid would be an insult to stupid people.
Speaker 9: I've known sheep that could out win you. I've worn
Speaker 9: dresses with higher IQs. But you think you're an intellectual,
Speaker 9: don't you.
Speaker 4: Ape Apes don't read philosophy.
Speaker 9: Yes they do, Otto, they just don't understand it. Now,
Speaker 9: let me correct you on a couple of things. Okay,
Speaker 9: Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is
Speaker 9: not every man for himself. A London underground is not
Speaker 9: a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto, I looked
Speaker 9: him up.
Speaker 2: That isn't great because that's basically a monologue that she
Speaker 2: delivers with all kinds and it continues after that she
Speaker 2: kind of says, you know, like she begins the softly,
Speaker 2: softly approached with him.
Speaker 1: They getting to apologize to Archie.
Speaker 2: But that is a brilliant performance and the hidden hunts
Speaker 2: line in all of that, I think there's in great lines.
Speaker 2: You know, the Buddhism is not every man for himself
Speaker 2: and Aristotle, but the very final thing we heard, which
Speaker 2: is none of it's true.
Speaker 1: I looked it up. She's not necessarily saying that I
Speaker 1: looked it up. I thought it was very was very funny.
Speaker 6: She's the one who is She's not trying to be
Speaker 6: anything else than what she is. But I think is
Speaker 6: a great strength in this. She knows exactly the hustler
Speaker 6: she is. She knows the strength she has in her
Speaker 6: sexuality and in her flirtation in order to get what
Speaker 6: she wants. But also like exactly the way that she
Speaker 6: holds herself in that scene and through all of this.
Speaker 6: You know, when you watch a film and you're like,
Speaker 6: I'm forgetting about the fact that you're Jamie Lee Curtis,
Speaker 6: and you're you know, you're not even thinking about it.
Speaker 6: You just you feel safe and you're just in it.
Speaker 6: On the flip side Kevin Klein, who I love. How
Speaker 6: did he win Best Supporting Actor? Like he's over acting
Speaker 6: and I know Otto is an idiot, but it's just
Speaker 6: like I'm so aware of him acting in every scene
Speaker 6: in this and it kicks me out of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really good point. And it was a
Speaker 2: surprise win. He didn't win any other awards outside of
Speaker 2: this Oscar. You know, usually you know, the more recently
Speaker 2: you know, you get nominated, or you win the SAG
Speaker 2: or you win the Bafter campaign a campaign, and so
Speaker 2: things have probably changed since nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: That would have been but it was a surprise.
Speaker 2: I think I agree with what you're saying, but I
Speaker 2: do think there is an athletic performance going on.
Speaker 1: The physicality.
Speaker 7: The physical comedy is very.
Speaker 2: Very good, and he is. He's charming. He has a
Speaker 2: lot of the good lines. He has a lot of
Speaker 2: the recurring jokes, the smelling of his his.
Speaker 7: Armpit to get himself off.
Speaker 1: Italian.
Speaker 2: But he's just saying like Mozzarella and these things where
Speaker 2: Archie actually does speak Italian and.
Speaker 7: Where ed I got her Arangini ball joke from.
Speaker 1: So I think he is. He's funny.
Speaker 2: It was kind of the first time I'd seen Kevin
Speaker 2: clarkause I hadn't seen The Big Chill or Silerado and
Speaker 2: some of the films that he had done before this,
Speaker 2: So I remember seeing going, who is this guy?
Speaker 1: He's is really funny.
Speaker 2: My biggest thing with Otto in this movie is the
Speaker 2: fact that he doesn't die like I know, like, how do.
Speaker 7: You can we?
Speaker 1: Is this a spoiler? Freak?
Speaker 7: It came out in nineteen eighty eight, you've had time.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I haven't watched it.
Speaker 7: But we've all had to.
Speaker 1: Once we start talking about the film, we're here to
Speaker 1: talk about it. It's all off.
Speaker 7: So that is one of my favorite scenes in the film.
Speaker 6: It comes towards the end where Ken is ever so
Speaker 6: slowly rolling towards Otto in a steamroller. It's so drawn
Speaker 6: out that is comedy genius. That scene is absolutely the
Speaker 6: best part of it. But Kevin Klein's character Otto is yes,
Speaker 6: ankle deep in concrete at the airport, so can't escape
Speaker 6: this very slow steamroller. It's wet concrete, but it's a
Speaker 6: goddamn steamroller that rolls over him slowly, and yet moments
Speaker 6: later you see him attached to the side of the
Speaker 6: plane looking in the window and Jamie Lee Curtis with
Speaker 6: wet concrete.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not even a scratch. No, no, no, there is
Speaker 1: a reason and for this, Oh I love this. Yes.
Speaker 1: So in the script, he.
Speaker 2: Dies, which is the perfect like you want him to die.
Speaker 2: He is, he has eaten, he's eaten Can's fish. You know,
Speaker 2: he's a groper, he's you know, as funny as he is.
Speaker 2: He's the villain in the piece. Yeah, he deserves to die.
Speaker 2: American audiences shown, you know, shown that test screening, test
Speaker 2: screenings like Doto so much USA, USA, USA, or one
Speaker 2: of them back and they reached.
Speaker 7: Out that scene those test screenings again.
Speaker 1: Sidebar.
Speaker 6: I lived in LA for a spell in the late
Speaker 6: nineties and I went to a test screening of Blues
Speaker 6: Brothers too. I don't even remember it, but I went
Speaker 6: to a test screening and that film turned out differently.
Speaker 6: So whatever test screenings they had, and I can't even
Speaker 6: remember what it was, it's got a ship memory. Never
Speaker 6: asked me what my favorite films are, Pete, but the
Speaker 6: I really don't like that. I think that that's I
Speaker 6: don't like film on demand, film by committee, like I
Speaker 6: know that it's holly. I know there's lots of money
Speaker 6: that goes into it, but something sits wrong with me.
Speaker 6: I should have died.
Speaker 2: I think I agree, and I think there's no doubt
Speaker 2: some positive feedback you can get from test audiences.
Speaker 1: I do believe that.
Speaker 2: I've heard directors actually say they ain't mind them, that
Speaker 2: they they're quite up for them.
Speaker 1: But it's the market. It still needs to be the
Speaker 1: director's choice.
Speaker 2: And when it's at the end of the film, like
Speaker 2: I an't dying does not affect people going.
Speaker 1: To that film.
Speaker 7: I'm looking out in the last No okay, I'm not
Speaker 7: walking out.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to see the epilogue at the end.
Speaker 2: The end the it's just, yeah, I just wish that
Speaker 2: didn't happen. You know, it's not a massive thing, but
Speaker 2: it's just it's like, oh, come on, guys, you'd like
Speaker 2: to think that the you know, John Clee's has enough
Speaker 2: balls to kind of you to stick with the original vision.
Speaker 6: One thing that does do though, throughout the whole film,
Speaker 6: it's like, how many times can this be derailed? All
Speaker 6: the times they're trying to find the diamonds and Jamie
Speaker 6: Lee Curtis's character is constantly switching teams in order to
Speaker 6: get where she needs to be, which is the twenty
Speaker 6: million dollar diamonds, and every time something falls over Ken
Speaker 6: trying to kill the old woman but killing every one
Speaker 6: of her dogs, which is also very.
Speaker 1: Funny, hilarious, but that is genuinely brilliant.
Speaker 6: But nothing goes smoothly. So maybe in that context Otto
Speaker 6: surviving despite being rolled over by steamrolls just like but
Speaker 6: still you can't not fuck it up, you know, So
Speaker 6: maybe it fits in the general tone of the film
Speaker 6: in that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what.
Speaker 2: Did you think of the stammering of Did it raise
Speaker 2: any kind of light? And you go, oh, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure because I was like, how's this going to age?
Speaker 2: But I think because like I said, he was the
Speaker 2: most likable character, he was smart, he gets his revenge,
Speaker 2: so it's a few ticks. Also, and I learned that
Speaker 2: Michael Palin's father was a stammerer. And the original idea,
Speaker 2: the first seed of this movie was John Cleees having
Speaker 2: this idea of a character who was a stammerer or
Speaker 2: stutterer who somebody was trying to get some vital piece
Speaker 2: of information in a hurry. And I think that scene
Speaker 2: and maybe we can listen to that scene. I think
Speaker 2: it almost pays it off.
Speaker 1: Was not is not just a gag.
Speaker 2: It is actually and obviously they have fun with that anotto.
Speaker 2: You know, it takes the piss and but there are
Speaker 2: also things in it where that are true to people
Speaker 2: who do stutter, where research is found when they speak
Speaker 2: to animals, they ain't stutter as much. So when he
Speaker 2: speaks of the fish is calm, and when he's still
Speaker 2: going to wonder is karma. But when he's under pressure
Speaker 2: or around people he doesn't like, he does, you know,
Speaker 2: it flares up again. So let's have a listen to
Speaker 2: Archie trying to get the information. And this is I
Speaker 2: think post chip up the nose.
Speaker 7: Great context to have.
Speaker 4: Don't worry, don't worry.
Speaker 3: Do you know where they've gone?
Speaker 1: Fine?
Speaker 4: Fine, well, okay, hotel, the hotel? Which hotel? Okay, it's actually.
Speaker 3: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait slowly.
Speaker 4: Pretty slowly slowly the.
Speaker 1: Car. Don't worry, sing it sing.
Speaker 7: Car, car, carr.
Speaker 4: God, plenty of time. Oh come on, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I'm sure what I didn't think? They're right? It
Speaker 1: don earlier.
Speaker 2: DeCross And it is funny when you're watching because the
Speaker 2: Sea the heckles he's playing it where he's obviously frustrat
Speaker 2: he needs to stay calm to get the information.
Speaker 1: It's quite good, But how do you know that you
Speaker 1: have any issues.
Speaker 6: With us or well, that's perfect example the way that
Speaker 6: John Cleese's character Archie reacted, and also Wander is kind
Speaker 6: to Can about his stutter. They know that it's not
Speaker 6: through any intention of his own and it's something that
Speaker 6: he can't help, and they just try to be calm
Speaker 6: with him and help him along the way. But the
Speaker 6: first time that we really experienced the starter is when
Speaker 6: Otto is talking to him and he's awful like he
Speaker 6: you know, Otto, as we've established, is a terrible character
Speaker 6: in terms of being quite violent. You feel on edge
Speaker 6: when you're around him, and he's just like abusive, And
Speaker 6: I found that really jarring again watching it in a
Speaker 6: time where we understand things like ticks, like neurodivergence, like
Speaker 6: all this stuff, and we're talking about it in an
Speaker 6: open way, in a much more understanding and supportive way
Speaker 6: than we ever.
Speaker 7: Have in history before.
Speaker 6: It felt like watching this, I was like, oh, this
Speaker 6: is punching down, Like this is rough, But again, it
Speaker 6: does work to the script and to those key points,
Speaker 6: like when in that scene when he's trying to get
Speaker 6: the name of the hotel out, you can almost picture it.
Speaker 6: You're watching the car get away towards the Diamonds and
Speaker 6: you're just like feeling like, get it out, get it out.
Speaker 6: You know. It works in the tension of the film,
Speaker 6: and it succeeds in that way, and it's you know
Speaker 6: it is It's funny because Palin is such a brilliant performer.
Speaker 6: I didn't know that his father had a starter as well,
Speaker 6: but yeah, it's I found it really like I bristled.
Speaker 6: Michael Palin also wears a Rustafarian wig in one of
Speaker 6: the other scenes where I was just like, just, you know,
Speaker 6: far this undershit. That wouldn't happen in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. But this happens with so
Speaker 6: many films, even films from the naughties, you know, like
Speaker 6: the short memory we have and the recent history of
Speaker 6: what was considered funny and normal, And I think that
Speaker 6: it was a film of a time.
Speaker 7: We would do it differently now. But yeah, I kind
Speaker 7: of bristled when I first saw it.
Speaker 6: But Otto is absolutely the worst person to ken in
Speaker 6: this instance. And he's really mean and it's hard to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 6: Like I said, I love Kevin Klein, but he was
Speaker 6: such a he's a violent character. Like but I guess
Speaker 6: he made me feel on edge and that's kind of
Speaker 6: one of the successes of the film as well, Like
Speaker 6: it's not just a comedy, it's a highest film and
Speaker 6: it's got a sort of crime edge to it.
Speaker 7: Like it's got a.
Speaker 1: Dark edge to it.
Speaker 2: I think, I think you need a character needs to
Speaker 2: be that, you need a bad you need a baddy,
Speaker 2: and there really isn't anyone like George Is. He's a baddie,
Speaker 2: but he's not really a baddie for the audience.
Speaker 1: So I think you do need and.
Speaker 6: There are baddies in real life. There are baddies that
Speaker 6: make fun of people. So you know, film reflects what
Speaker 6: happens in real life too.
Speaker 7: So now all those things.
Speaker 2: If Otto runs over Ken with the steam roll, it
Speaker 2: becomes a different thing that I think. But I think
Speaker 2: there is something about where do the characters end up.
Speaker 2: You know that I think is there's justice needs be
Speaker 2: part of the conversation. You're you said, this is a
Speaker 2: it's just a comedy. It is a crime caper. And
Speaker 2: it's a really good Like it's the twists and turns
Speaker 2: in this I think are really good. It's a really
Speaker 2: I think it's a really well paced film.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I think that having the even like
Speaker 6: watching it this week and then just going onto the Wikipedia,
Speaker 6: which is how I do all my research.
Speaker 7: Pete do more than that, but that's a good basis.
Speaker 6: But just like seeing the plot, it's like and then
Speaker 6: this happened, and then this happens, like shit lots happens,
Speaker 6: and constantly it's like they've all got greasy fingers and
Speaker 6: it's constantly just like just there slipping out of their hands,
Speaker 6: and what a romp that is. Like there's only a
Speaker 6: few moments where it feels like it kind of slows
Speaker 6: down in the in the final third, I think where
Speaker 6: you like that pace is gone. But other than that,
Speaker 6: and certainly watching it and thinking, you know, films from
Speaker 6: nineteen eighty eight look very different to films of today,
Speaker 6: but I kind of like that simplicity. Again, it feels
Speaker 6: like a play like there's here's a scene, and here's
Speaker 6: a shot of that room, and everything's happening in that room,
Speaker 6: and the power of what happens there's no clever angles.
Speaker 6: Like the cinematography is great, but it's not like as
Speaker 6: finicky and detailed as some films today. It's just like here,
Speaker 6: we set it up and the work and the magic
Speaker 6: happens because of the way that all of this ensemble
Speaker 6: cast play with each other, both you know, in the
Speaker 6: script and also in the physical comedy.
Speaker 7: They just dance, they bounce off each other.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's amazing that Charles Crichton gets nominated for Best
Speaker 2: Direction for an Oscar for this like.
Speaker 7: The World like theater sports.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I mean this, I mean how many This
Speaker 2: just looks like a lot of other comedies. Really, he said,
Speaker 2: there's no tricks. No, I mean there's things that he's done,
Speaker 2: Like the performances are all great. You know, I'm not
Speaker 2: disappointed that he did at all, because I like this
Speaker 2: film and I would like to see more comedies you
Speaker 2: know recognized. Yeah, but I am shocked that he got
Speaker 2: because there's not yeah, like there's the one camera trick
Speaker 2: he did when and it's a very funny scene.
Speaker 1: We might even have listened to it. Now. This is
Speaker 1: when we don't realize.
Speaker 2: Initially we had Otto demanding an apology from Archie, and
Speaker 2: then we see Archie kind of said no, there's no
Speaker 2: way you're getting an apology, and then he's more open
Speaker 2: to apologizing, and the camera turns around we're real that
Speaker 2: he's actually dangling from a window.
Speaker 1: Holding his legs.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, I apologize, really sorry. I'm really
Speaker 3: really sorry. I apologize unreservedly. You take it back, I do.
Speaker 3: I offer a complete and utter retraction. The imputation was
Speaker 3: totally without basis in fact, and was in no way
Speaker 3: fair comment, and was motivated purely by malice, and I
Speaker 3: deeply regret any distress that my comments may have caused
Speaker 3: you oil family, and I hereby undertake not to repeat
Speaker 3: any such slander at any time in the future.
Speaker 1: Okay, that felt like to me like a very Python
Speaker 1: kind of moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that over the top English apology under those circumstances.
Speaker 6: And basically coming from his character, which is a lawyer. Yeah,
Speaker 6: the lergy under duress.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, I thought that was that was great. There
Speaker 2: is the other thing that well, I think what Otto
Speaker 2: does is that they're having a lot of fun with you,
Speaker 2: Mayor versus Brits and culture and even the fact that
Speaker 2: he has a gun. And I'm not sure if anyone
Speaker 2: else really even has a gun.
Speaker 7: Maybe just shoots at Willy Nilly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love the scene which I only really noticed this
Speaker 2: when I watched it this week, was when they realize
Speaker 2: that the loot has gone, they been shifted. They've opened
Speaker 2: a safe and he's kicking the car very theatrically and
Speaker 2: jamiely Ketis is like, just.
Speaker 1: Let me think.
Speaker 2: So then Otto shoots the safe and she says, what
Speaker 2: are you doing? And he says, I'm thinking. I feel
Speaker 2: like that is the way Americans think.
Speaker 7: He's trying to think about that. Either. That's such a
Speaker 7: great disc.
Speaker 2: So basic, it's so great. Let's talk about John Clees
Speaker 2: as Archie. We haven't really mentioned me a couple of times,
Speaker 2: but did you have? So obviously he's married. I thought
Speaker 2: the performance by his wife is I thought she was
Speaker 2: really good, but she was really I thought, really funny.
Speaker 7: And doesn't his daughter play yeah Porsche, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cynthia Clees, I think, yeah, yeah, it plays Porsche. They
Speaker 2: do a really good job actually setting up all the cave.
Speaker 2: Even than that, very the first thing you see is Archie.
Speaker 2: You know, rest of my case. So he's a barrister,
Speaker 2: and then you know, you see Jamie Lee Curtis coming
Speaker 2: out of I think, I imagine a bank with a
Speaker 2: little camera things. So you sets up she's gonna be
Speaker 2: the brains of the of the operation. We have falling
Speaker 2: asleep reading Niski, and that's you know, that tells us
Speaker 2: we find it more obviously later on we got came
Speaker 2: with the fish. They set up everything pretty economically, like
Speaker 2: the het happens really quickly, which I think is good,
Speaker 2: and then straight into it. Yeah, and that's about what
Speaker 2: happens afterwards, which is I think juicier. And we find
Speaker 2: out that John Cleese is in a not a pretty
Speaker 2: much a loveless marriage, it seems, again.
Speaker 6: Very efficiently there to show them sleeping in two single beds,
Speaker 6: very faulty towers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely right.
Speaker 2: And even in the scene where he comes out and
Speaker 2: his wife's out kind of in the sun, having or
Speaker 2: reading something, and she's complaining about a day and seemingly
Speaker 2: superficial things that haven't happened flat I was having a ride,
Speaker 2: and then he says, I want the case. She goes,
Speaker 2: it's the first time I've had the first moment I've
Speaker 2: had to myself all day, and then he repeats it
Speaker 2: in the kitchen, and it didn't make me laugh. Actually
Speaker 2: when he when he goes in there and he says
Speaker 2: his daughter and his daughter once a new new horse,
Speaker 2: because the horses isn't fit for dog meat, she says.
Speaker 2: And then the wife comes in and she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'll make my own cup of teat.
Speaker 1: Then I'll do it. I'll do it. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's too late. Now I'm already up.
Speaker 7: I know people like that, so I really like that scene.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I My wife is lovely and she's not
Speaker 1: like that at all.
Speaker 2: But if she, if I'd forgotten she was to get up,
Speaker 2: even if I was saying that's it down straight away,
Speaker 2: we got no.
Speaker 1: No, I'm up already, I'm up. Let me do it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I thought I thought she was she was good.
Speaker 1: I thought she was really funny. Did you feel enough
Speaker 1: empathy for Archie? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean John Cliss wrote the film, and I sort
Speaker 6: of had that in the back of my mind. I
Speaker 6: most notably, I thought towards the end, when you know
Speaker 6: he gets the girl, I'm like, oh, this feels exactly
Speaker 6: like when Zach Braff wrote Garden State because he had
Speaker 6: a crush on Natalie Portman.
Speaker 7: He's just like, of course John Cleese's character he's gonna
Speaker 7: end up with wonder.
Speaker 6: Maybe that's just me being cynical, but I think that
Speaker 6: he had actually pretty great character development because you sort
Speaker 6: of see him. Yes, he's in this loveless marriage, but
Speaker 6: he's kind of this stiff lawyer who then you realize
Speaker 6: isn't the one with the money, and he's kind of
Speaker 6: just you know, he's much more so than Otto, who's
Speaker 6: very one dimensional, I think, and he serves a you know,
Speaker 6: serves a purpose.
Speaker 7: But John Cleese's character.
Speaker 6: Has way more development in terms of his journey, but
Speaker 6: also how much you understand of him and his motivations
Speaker 6: and why he does the things that he does and
Speaker 6: why he's so vulnerable to Wanda's charms as well. And
Speaker 6: I thought that that was actually quite well written. And again,
Speaker 6: you know, John Cleese says some cooked things in recent years,
Speaker 6: and he's sort of taken a turn for many people
Speaker 6: that has been a bit offensive, but like you try
Speaker 6: to not keep that in mind and think, Okay, this
Speaker 6: is the guy that is one of the foundations of
Speaker 6: uk com and Monty Python and all, you know, Faulty Towers,
Speaker 6: and you know, this is why he's so good and
Speaker 6: he's really good in this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Sure he wrote himself to be good, but that's fine.
Speaker 6: He can do whatever he wants. He's John Fleees. He
Speaker 6: also is very fit in it, because you sort of
Speaker 6: look at him and you're like, you know, he looks
Speaker 6: older in the face than he is, and then you
Speaker 6: see him because he does get into scenes with just
Speaker 6: his jocks and he definitely worked out before this film.
Speaker 1: I really did.
Speaker 2: And in that scene he wrote it that Jamie Lee
Speaker 2: Curtis was going to be naked and then discovered, and
Speaker 2: Jamie Lee Curtis said, I think it's funnier if it's you.
Speaker 1: This is why she's the best exactly, and he goes, Yep, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're right.
Speaker 6: I love that scene as well, where it was set
Speaker 6: at that incredible house, apartment whatever on the Thams, just
Speaker 6: like I want to live there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, where was that? I don't know, the airbnb in
Speaker 1: Clussic Fortune.
Speaker 7: It's amazing, Yeah, but I was a bit confused though.
Speaker 2: So he gets naked and they've rented the house from
Speaker 2: a coworker who's away in Hong Kong. But then the
Speaker 2: family come in who and we find out they've rented,
Speaker 2: but the photo he gets to cover up his genlesals
Speaker 2: appears to be to be the woman, who then.
Speaker 1: Cuts to Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 7: I just realize that that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: No, no, I was hoping you kind of we're going
Speaker 1: to clear it up for me. Oh my god.
Speaker 6: No, I just realized that maybe maybe they Yeah, someone
Speaker 6: in the scripting forgot about that lack of continuity there.
Speaker 6: Maybe they changed it and slotted in the scene but
Speaker 6: forgot they had a scene where.
Speaker 7: The picture of her covers his privates.
Speaker 1: Privates? How old am I?
Speaker 6: I've been swearing? And then I say private, thank you
Speaker 6: for covers is down their area.
Speaker 2: One thing I wasn't sure about, God love how Wonder
Speaker 2: is playing everybody? I think she literally kisses every like
Speaker 2: every main cast member, Like you know, she's the fem fertale,
Speaker 2: she's playing everyone.
Speaker 1: She's in for herself.
Speaker 2: As soon as she puts that, you know, the eyron
Speaker 2: thing when Otto's in the safe, we know, okay, she's
Speaker 2: really in it for herself. But did you have a
Speaker 2: moment could you pick a moment, because I'm not sure
Speaker 2: if I could, Like, do you think she falls for
Speaker 2: Archie at some point?
Speaker 6: I don't know, because it's weird the way that it
Speaker 6: ends where she sees him. She knows he doesn't have money.
Speaker 6: She's got the diamonds, so she doesn't need him anymore, right,
Speaker 6: But then they join on the plane and she looks
Speaker 6: at him and they're having the big passionate kiss while
Speaker 6: Otto is there coveting concrete hanging out the window.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I just didn't.
Speaker 6: It didn't give me enough time for me to believe it,
Speaker 6: knowing that she just, you know, double crossed everyone up
Speaker 6: until that point.
Speaker 1: Why, Yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 6: Again, John Clice wrote it, So, yeah, I think he's
Speaker 6: decided that he is the one that wins her heart.
Speaker 1: Well, like he said, he is pretty fit for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought that when I was really really
Speaker 2: thinking about it, Not necessarily when I was watching it,
Speaker 2: but I was just like, when did she actually fall
Speaker 2: for him?
Speaker 1: And did she fall for him?
Speaker 2: Is there a version of the I know they do
Speaker 2: the that, you know, the post credit kind of they
Speaker 2: went off and they had fourteen kids or whatever, and yeah, whatever.
Speaker 7: It is seventeen kids and opened to what was it
Speaker 7: a colony for lepers That.
Speaker 1: Is a weird.
Speaker 6: I feel like leprosy was something that was like part
Speaker 6: of weird jokes in the eighties.
Speaker 2: It really was wild, Like why I remember I remember
Speaker 2: leper colonies being and lepers being constantly referred to in comedy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is that?
Speaker 6: There's something that's a whole other podcast digging into why
Speaker 6: there's a big hole over there that we could fall
Speaker 6: into if we address that.
Speaker 7: But yeah, that's sort of ending bit as well.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 6: It's Jamie Curtis is incredible in this, and the character
Speaker 6: of Wander is so manipulative and so believable in every moment,
Speaker 6: and you can see why she's able to completely manipulate.
Speaker 7: All these men.
Speaker 6: So what's to say that final scene, even though it's
Speaker 6: like why would she do this, is not a total
Speaker 6: manipulation as well. Maybe it's because she's now on a
Speaker 6: planet she can't get rid of him. So instead of
Speaker 6: him alerting the crew to hey, this person's order with
Speaker 6: twenty million diamonds.
Speaker 1: I think I was about to say, like a shock
Speaker 1: him on the back of.
Speaker 7: The head as soon as they get off in rear.
Speaker 1: Well, that's it.
Speaker 2: If you take away that, you know, the post credit
Speaker 2: thing of the seventeen Kids, you could potentially believe that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she does bump him off.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, a weird little wrap it up in
Speaker 6: a boat, and it didn't quite make sense.
Speaker 2: No, I mean you could argue potentially, like when they
Speaker 2: first meet and he says avoir to her and she
Speaker 2: kinda gives him a look, oh you know, French, like
Speaker 2: it comes across as her just playing him a little bit,
Speaker 2: but the character holds enough to make you think, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe there's a little connection there.
Speaker 1: And then when she does ask about do you have money.
Speaker 2: Like, you could probably argue also that that's her kind
Speaker 2: of this is the last box to tick would be
Speaker 2: that this money is yours. It's not disappointing, but you
Speaker 2: can maybe argue there's there's traces along the way, but
Speaker 2: this is certainly not a moment where you are convinced
Speaker 2: that it's she actually wants Archie.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 6: It was too quick, Yeah, it was way too quick.
Speaker 6: Did you want it to work out between the two
Speaker 6: of them?
Speaker 1: I don't think I cared, absolutely honestly, Like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think I wanted.
Speaker 2: I think I just wanted Jamie Lee Curtis to win, yeah,
Speaker 2: and can to be Okay, Yeah, I kind of wanted
Speaker 2: Archie to be all right too, because you know, there's
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think if he was weekly. I think if
Speaker 6: he was rich, then you wouldn't be reading for him
Speaker 6: as much. But it's kind of like, oh, he did
Speaker 6: the best he could.
Speaker 1: You know, Well, it's a nice detail.
Speaker 2: Not only does it make wonders desires more complicated, but
Speaker 2: you kind of do root from it because he's in
Speaker 2: this loveless marriage and it's her money, so he's kind
Speaker 2: of trapped.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I've got some fun facts before we wrap up.
Speaker 2: We've gone through some of the fun facts already, but
Speaker 2: here are some more. Archie Leach's actually named after it's
Speaker 2: actually Carry Grant's real name. Oh yes, and there was
Speaker 2: John Clie is a massive Carry Grant fan.
Speaker 7: Archie Leech.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. The fish that Kevin client ate
Speaker 1: were made from jelly.
Speaker 7: That is a really helpful fun fact because that was
Speaker 7: a distressing scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, slightly distressing that Kevin Klein offered to eat
Speaker 2: real fish.
Speaker 7: I'm not surprised he's a cooker.
Speaker 1: Did he make was the next film after this? It
Speaker 1: might have been a few years later.
Speaker 2: It was In and Out, like where he played like
Speaker 2: a gay man, and I forget if that was like
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how that has aged or if it
Speaker 2: was like a fun film to watch or not.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Actually looked him up because I was like, what is
Speaker 6: Kevin Klin doing now? I was obsessed with him and
Speaker 6: Phoebe Kate's falling in love in the nineties, remember that, No,
Speaker 6: and he looks like he could run for office in America,
Speaker 6: Like he looks like an old American politician now, because
Speaker 6: it was in that movie Dave, wasn't he, which is like,
Speaker 6: maybe that's why I'm associating. Yeah, but he always seemed
Speaker 6: like he was always an eccentric fella, and Phoebe was
Speaker 6: also an eccentric actor as well, so like a match
Speaker 6: made in heaven. But yeah, I haven't seen him in
Speaker 6: anything for quite a while, but he was, Yeah, he
Speaker 6: was always an odd bod. I always loved Kevin Klein.
Speaker 6: I actually found it quite having not seen this, and
Speaker 6: I know he's acting just like, I was like, you're
Speaker 6: scaring me, Kevin. You're a scary character.
Speaker 1: So I think I think I.
Speaker 2: Remember seeing in the Map and it was such a
Speaker 2: different from my memory of that film was that he's
Speaker 2: got a positive kind of like you know, upbeat kind
Speaker 2: of character. And I was like, oh, that's that's the
Speaker 2: same actor, which actually, you know, it's kind of impressive
Speaker 2: in a way that he can play those different types
Speaker 2: of characters. When Kevin Klein when I go to the
Speaker 2: Jule to mete George and he says, who do you
Speaker 2: think it was? I do like when Otto is pretending
Speaker 2: to be on Georgia's side, like when I find the
Speaker 2: bastard the squeal, I buy a lot of that very funny.
Speaker 2: I mean, I find I might say, I find I
Speaker 2: do agree with you he is, like he's a menace
Speaker 2: in this movie, but I do find love of what
Speaker 2: he does funny.
Speaker 7: And when he's in the scene, you're not looking at
Speaker 7: anyone anyone else exactly right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you actually that's a very good point.
Speaker 2: Like he does bring energy to the scenes that probably
Speaker 2: Michael Palin's not doing John c Leice is probably not
Speaker 2: doing because he's he gets more physical as it goes on,
Speaker 2: when he becomes a bit freer. There's only one actor
Speaker 2: such character who did not have any of their dialogue
Speaker 2: cut in the edit.
Speaker 1: Would you like to have a stab and stab in
Speaker 1: the dark?
Speaker 7: Was it Michael Palin.
Speaker 1: No, it was Patricia Hayes who was the woman with
Speaker 1: the dogs. She was not. They basically left her alone.
Speaker 1: You were perfect, Patricia, and they were her dogs.
Speaker 7: Where's her Best Supporting Actor nomination?
Speaker 2: I don't think I made this point, by the way,
Speaker 2: but and I think it's we probably inferred it. But
Speaker 2: it is ridiculous that Jamie Lee Curtis was not nominated
Speaker 2: for an Oscar for this and Kevin Cline was like,
Speaker 2: it's okay that Kevin Cline was like, I actually think
Speaker 2: it is a very it's a very good performance. But
Speaker 2: I think if he gets than Jamie Lee Curtis definite
Speaker 2: gets them because she holds this film together.
Speaker 1: I think as does Patricia Hayes.
Speaker 2: They were her dogs, and they deliberately chose small dogs
Speaker 2: because Jock John Clee said that most people don't feel
Speaker 2: like that small dogs are real dogs, Like if it
Speaker 2: was like three labradors, you'd have a very different which
Speaker 2: I mean, Peter will be after you. Yes, yes, oh
Speaker 2: you're the paint thrown over you. But I kind of
Speaker 2: understand the point that he's making as much.
Speaker 7: As know they're ridiculous dogs.
Speaker 2: They are ridiculous dogs and in one of the early
Speaker 2: I think edits or the first time they killed the dogs.
Speaker 2: They used like lard and a lot of gizzards from
Speaker 2: butchers and all that, and there was not too much,
Speaker 2: so they just went through that.
Speaker 7: One didn't make pass the test.
Speaker 1: They went to this flat straw kind of dog.
Speaker 2: Jamie Lee Curtis said that John Clees was a poor
Speaker 2: kisser in their early scenes. John Leese responded by saying
Speaker 2: he was kissing in character.
Speaker 7: Great defense. I'll save that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And there were two movies released in this year, nine
Speaker 2: and eighty eight that had characters run over by a steamroller.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, Oh my god, I'm digging in.
Speaker 1: Can you can you? I'll give you. I'll go through
Speaker 1: the film.
Speaker 2: I'll go through the films again, the comedies that were
Speaker 2: released that year. And it'd be one of these twins
Speaker 2: Dirty Rodin Scoundrels, Big naked gun who framed Roger.
Speaker 7: Rabbit, who framed Roger Rabbit?
Speaker 1: Correct well played, well plied, well played.
Speaker 6: I was thinking, was it Janney Ron Scoundrels? Another great film?
Speaker 6: It is full of mean people, so good.
Speaker 1: That is a classic.
Speaker 2: We haven't covered that one yet, zanro thank you this
Speaker 2: podcast comes with homework and you are flat out your
Speaker 2: extraordinary series Take five, which began on your radio program,
Speaker 2: then became a podcast and then as now is a
Speaker 2: huge TV show with the names you have. I mean,
Speaker 2: the first series was amazing. Missy Higgins episode just I
Speaker 2: teared up in that one. But this Nole Galla, Natalie
Speaker 2: and Brulia, Jimmy Barnes, Mark Cole Smith, Je Flip, stay
Speaker 2: back for Collingwood, Go the Pies.
Speaker 7: Congrats by the way, thank you very much to get
Speaker 7: a while.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've still got a newspaper on the desk.
Speaker 1: I'm still making my way through it.
Speaker 7: How many pages in there in the Herald Sun fifty.
Speaker 1: There's a whole paper.
Speaker 2: Famously, when Collingwood won I think in two thousand and ten,
Speaker 2: wasn't there They said there were more pages dedicated to
Speaker 2: Collingwood win the premiership than when September eleven happened. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, j Flip and the end Lynn Manuel Miranda,
Speaker 2: I mean you, I mean I love doing this podcast
Speaker 2: because I get that talk about my passions.
Speaker 1: But I mean you must, you must love doing this,
Speaker 1: and I know you love doing this because you can tell.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I do love it.
Speaker 6: I love talking to people who like doing a different
Speaker 6: kind of interview as well, because I think that most musicians,
Speaker 6: and you know, in the case of Take five, it's
Speaker 6: not always musicians, it's.
Speaker 7: You know, creative people, artists.
Speaker 6: They they're so used to talking about themselves, and in
Speaker 6: when they do that, they say the same stories.
Speaker 7: They sort of have a know, an auto roll list of.
Speaker 6: Answers, but when they talk about other things, like the
Speaker 6: music that they love, they kind of just enjoy it
Speaker 6: for the first you know, on the first point, but
Speaker 6: also just relax a little bit and they end up
Speaker 6: talking about themselves, but they don't realize it, which is
Speaker 6: such a beautiful way. Just much like the films that
Speaker 6: you love kind of tell the story of who you are,
Speaker 6: music of course does the same thing. And that's what
Speaker 6: I've sort of learned over doing it since two thousand
Speaker 6: and six now and now with two seasons on TV.
Speaker 7: It just reveals the songs.
Speaker 6: That tell our stories, reveal a lot about who we are,
Speaker 6: so they kind of, you know, loosen up. You can
Speaker 6: see like Noel Gallagher, he came into that interview and
Speaker 6: he was first of all very hungover. Could just command
Speaker 6: City had destroyed Real Madrid the night before and he'd
Speaker 6: been up until four drinking in Manchester.
Speaker 1: But he's.
Speaker 7: Right on time as well.
Speaker 6: I was like, this guy is professional, but you know
Speaker 6: he's someone who people constantly say tell us about Liam,
Speaker 6: you know, why do you hate your brother?
Speaker 7: Why are you fighting? Wuenauros is going to reform?
Speaker 6: And I came to him and I thought, I know
Speaker 6: he's going to go there, but he doesn't need me
Speaker 6: to antagonize him and for him to shut down. And
Speaker 6: for the first eight ten minutes of the chat, I
Speaker 6: could see he was just like sizing me up and
Speaker 6: being a little bit you know, the wall was up
Speaker 6: a bit. But then we to start talking about music
Speaker 6: and it just the whole You can see the bodies relax.
Speaker 6: You can see a physical change in people. And that's
Speaker 6: where you just get this open book and they they're
Speaker 6: ready to share. And that's what it was like with
Speaker 6: Noel's what was like with everyone with Natalie, who was incredible,
Speaker 6: reflecting on her amazing career and being in the late
Speaker 6: nineties at the height of her fame when tabloid culture
Speaker 6: was wild and pretty brutal, going through all that stuff,
Speaker 6: and yeah, it's just it's such an interesting way to
Speaker 6: tell people's story. But I feel very for years I've
Speaker 6: been sitting opposite people like you and I now in
Speaker 6: a studio, seeing their faces when they talk about stuff.
Speaker 6: And to now share that with so many more people
Speaker 6: because you can watch it on TV and you can
Speaker 6: see what I'm seeing, it is the best.
Speaker 2: When did you know, Liza, You've been doing it for
Speaker 2: like seventeen years, you know, in different forms. When did
Speaker 2: you know the idea was great? Like, because it's a simple.
Speaker 7: Idea, you know, but it's super simple idea.
Speaker 1: But it is. It is so brilliant. I mean you've
Speaker 1: had I mean Paul McCartney has been a guest.
Speaker 7: He has. That was a fun one. Yeah, he didn't
Speaker 7: want it to end.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 7: I was like, do you have to get ready for
Speaker 7: the shows?
Speaker 1: Like, no, no, let's keep going fun amazing.
Speaker 2: Was it the first one you did or was there
Speaker 2: one in particular where you just thought this is I'm
Speaker 2: going to do this.
Speaker 1: For a long time.
Speaker 7: I think it emerged.
Speaker 6: I never take anything for granted, so I didn't necessarily think, oh,
Speaker 6: this is going to last forever. But I think that
Speaker 6: it became clear to me. I didn't know this was
Speaker 6: going to happen. But as I started doing them, and
Speaker 6: because I give everyone a theme. It's not just pick
Speaker 6: your five favorite songs. I'm not as cruel as you
Speaker 6: Pete pick your five three favorite movies. But I give
Speaker 6: people a theme. So and I think about how that
Speaker 6: theme would get different stories out of them. And so
Speaker 6: when they're picking things around, I guess a certain looking
Speaker 6: at their life through a certain prism that makes them
Speaker 6: think about things differently, And without realizing it, I just
Speaker 6: noticed over and over again that these take fives were
Speaker 6: becoming like therapy because people were thinking about their lives
Speaker 6: in a way they hadn't necessarily.
Speaker 7: They're like, Okay, what.
Speaker 6: Are the three songs that all the five songs that
Speaker 6: give me? In Missy Higgins case, I gave her the
Speaker 6: theme of identity. What are the songs that speak to
Speaker 6: my identity and finding my identity and understanding my identity and.
Speaker 7: Who I am to the outside world. And she really
Speaker 7: embraced that theme.
Speaker 6: You know, she talked about the end of her marriage,
Speaker 6: She talked about coming out as bisexual, She talked about
Speaker 6: writer's block and mental health and these all the things
Speaker 6: that make up who she is. But it wasn't like,
Speaker 6: what are my five favorite piano songs or what are
Speaker 6: my five favorite female singer songwriters?
Speaker 7: It was like identity.
Speaker 6: So through the Take five and the many years that
Speaker 6: it's kind of evolved, I just noticed that and it
Speaker 6: was a for me. I'm not a registered psychologist or
Speaker 6: any kind of counselor or therapist, but much like everything
Speaker 6: else we've been talking about, I could see themes emerging,
Speaker 6: things that i'd experienced, things that I know other people
Speaker 6: had experienced, and when you talk to someone about that,
Speaker 6: things kind of come out of that conversation. That's just like, wow,
Speaker 6: this is a revelation. I've never thought about it in
Speaker 6: that way before, and that's just gold. Like I feel
Speaker 6: incredibly grateful that people are willing to share that. There's
Speaker 6: been times in the podcast where people Missy Higgins perfect example,
Speaker 6: ceter Afterwards, if you're uncomfortable with any of this, let
Speaker 6: me know and we can do some d It's just like, no,
Speaker 6: it's good. I'm happy to share that. But it's like always,
Speaker 6: people are very generous with what they share, and I
Speaker 6: think that in some cases it's because they've never actually
Speaker 6: thought what about it in that way before? And music's
Speaker 6: a great trigger in that way. I think, yes, like
Speaker 6: you've got songs that you'd hear and be like, oh
Speaker 6: my god, I'm seventeen again, or oh this I remember.
Speaker 1: We know, don't worry to be happy.
Speaker 7: Here's a little sun.
Speaker 6: Classic absolutely that reminds me of being down in Lawn
Speaker 6: in Cumberland River's time and place. It is like it
Speaker 6: was big that summer and it was at the caravan
Speaker 6: park down at Cumberland River, just New Lawn constantly on repeat.
Speaker 6: So you've got that seventeen, I've got that running around
Speaker 6: the tent, chuffing in the water in the creek.
Speaker 1: It is an extraordinary series you put together. And also people.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: There's a great concept and you're right when people talk
Speaker 2: about music and they don't feel like they're going to
Speaker 2: be answer the same questions.
Speaker 1: But I think you put people at ease as well.
Speaker 2: You know, you are an extraordinary interviewer, well researched and
Speaker 2: people as good as the concept is, people would not
Speaker 2: go to those places that Missus Higgins you know, went
Speaker 2: to if they're not comfortable with the person they're sitting
Speaker 2: across from.
Speaker 1: Thanks so well done.
Speaker 6: I don't want to ever shieve anyone that's my golden
Speaker 6: rule of journalism. It's not worth it for a cheap
Speaker 6: shot or a cheap headline. You know what it's like
Speaker 6: being in entertainment. Small family, and there's relationships, and there's respect.
Speaker 6: I think respect is the biggest thing in my life.
Speaker 6: Respect someone where they're coming from, and they'll return that
Speaker 6: respect to you. So I feel like I've held that
Speaker 6: through my career and it's you know, it's gifted me
Speaker 6: with a lot of a lot of good things.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just going to scratch it. Got your moment
Speaker 2: I was going to. I'm okay, let's cancel that.
Speaker 1: We're We're not going with it.
Speaker 7: Daily mail headline.
Speaker 1: You are so glad we need the publicity so nice.
Speaker 1: Like I said, this this podcast comes with homework.
Speaker 2: Congratulations on everything you're doing, like you said, fitting us
Speaker 2: in between take five and bang on and it's it's
Speaker 2: been great.
Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed Thanks Pete.
Speaker 7: I've loved it too. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: What a wonderful human zan Row is. That was really enjoyable.
Speaker 2: What a great way to finish off this season of
Speaker 2: You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet with a fish card wonder
Speaker 2: and zan Row and this is a reminder get on
Speaker 2: to Take five if you're listening to this to Day
Speaker 2: comes out.
Speaker 1: It went to air last night.
Speaker 2: You can see episodes of Take five on Tuesday nights
Speaker 2: on the ABC. If you've missed some, you can catch
Speaker 2: it on iView. Also, the longer versions of the interviews,
Speaker 2: the extended versions, you can go to the ABC listener
Speaker 2: app and have a listen there. I believe that the
Speaker 2: Nole Gallagher one goes through it like over an hour,
Speaker 2: so I'll definitely be checking that out. But that was
Speaker 2: really fun. I really enjoyed it. Very easy to talk to,
Speaker 2: and I can see why people like Lynn Manuel Miranda
Speaker 2: and Missy Higgins and Jimmy Barnes and Paul McCartney open
Speaker 2: up to Zan. Thank you everyone for listening to this
Speaker 2: series of the podcast. I'm going to take a little break,
Speaker 2: not a big one, not a big one, in fact,
Speaker 2: probably a shorter one than most years or seasons, maybe
Speaker 2: about four weeks. We'll replay some of my favorites, will
Speaker 2: go back into the catalog. We've got quite a big catalog.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm going to dig up some of my favorite episodes.
Speaker 2: We'll repeat them, and then we'll be back with a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of new movies and new guests and maybe
Speaker 2: some returning guests as well. For you, please in the meantime,
Speaker 2: go to iTunes, give us a review and a rating.
Speaker 2: I recommend five stars. It all keeps the algorithm nice
Speaker 2: and busy, and just get onto our speak. Leave a
Speaker 2: message like Jason did today, Jason, hope you're still listening, mate,
Speaker 2: and he'll get on the phone. Maybe we'll shat out
Speaker 2: Field Dreams some more. But thank you very much. Obviously,
Speaker 2: no episode next week. There'll be a repeat, but no
Speaker 2: new guests for me to announce. Go see by the way,
Speaker 2: I know we mentioned it past lives. It's for me
Speaker 2: so far the film of the year. I think it's extraordinary.
Speaker 2: I've got some shows coming up around town. Follow me
Speaker 2: at PJ Hallier at Instagram and usually i'll post where
Speaker 2: I'm coming up. I'm working on a brand new show
Speaker 2: for the festival circuit next year. So when you start
Speaker 2: planning your festival, what shows you might see at, you know,
Speaker 2: the Brisbane Comedy Festival or Melbourne or the Adelaid Fringe
Speaker 2: or the Sydney Comedy Festival. I'll be I'll be at
Speaker 2: all of them next year. So just keep me in mind. Okay,
Speaker 2: keep me in mind. We might have to do a
Speaker 2: couple of live yasneys around town. Okay, until then, bye
Speaker 2: for now. And so we leave old Pete safe and soult,
Speaker 2: and to our friends of the radio audience, we've been
Speaker 2: a pleasant, good time,