1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to the long awaited season two of Rage Against 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: the Menopause with Petrina Jones. You can call me Pats 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: and thanks for being a part of my special club. 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: You know. 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: One of the common themes to come out of my 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: debut series is that women going through perimenopause and menopause 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,080 Speaker 1: don't feel heard until now. 8 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: There's really not been a. 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: Space for us to share our lived experiences. Some even 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: misdiagnosed by health professionals dismissed. Well, I want everyone listening 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: to know that I got you and you're not alone. 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: Perimenopause and menopause will impact one point two billion women 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 1: globally by twenty thirty, and it's time it was out 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: in the open, the good, the bad, and the ugly. 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: My podcast is unashamedly authentic and real. We go there 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 1: think you're the only one who sometimes feels like you're 17 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: going tropo ah ah. Enjoy episode with one of my besties, 18 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: fellow journalist and TV and radio presenter and podcaster, Sarah 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: Patterson or Beryl as I affectionately call her. We talk 20 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: about the massive response to my first series and share 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: some of the feedback from my community. 22 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: Menopause It's coming for you no matter what. Let's build 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 2: a village of support. Why is it so damn hot 24 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: in here? Menopause is so hot right now? I think 25 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 2: them only in menopause women just want to feel hurt. 26 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: Rage against the Menopause back due to popular demand. 27 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: Can I say? 28 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: Is the one and only Sarah Patterson a pod caster, 29 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: radio extraordinaire and one of my very dearest friends who 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: you will remember was in series one and has had 31 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: such naturally an overwhelming reaction to her contribution to Rage 32 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: against the menopause. 33 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: She's back a vado. 34 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: Home speech that is pretty much the greatest introduction of 35 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: my life. 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: I've well listen to this. 37 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 1: I've had a lady write into me on insta Hypertrina 38 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: just reaching out to say, what a goddess send. Your 39 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: podcasts have been in helping me understand and come to 40 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: terms with my perimenopause journey. The one where you openly 41 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: chat with your girlfriend Ethel and Beryl has just been 42 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: a joy, helping me realize that all my symptoms have 43 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: actually been experienced by other women out there, and it's 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: not just me going crazy or being a hypochondriac. Oh, 45 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for helping to shine a 46 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: light on this topic that is all too often swept 47 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: under the rug. I'm so stoked to hear that kind 48 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: of feedback because it just goes to show we're all 49 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: in this together. Yes, we're all feeling these are ridiculous symptoms. Yep, 50 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: all in the same boat. Maybe not the same storm, 51 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, the same boat. 52 00:02:59,000 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's so true, is it? 53 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: And I think that's why, as you know, why I've 54 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: done it, because I think in everyone sharing their lived experiences, 55 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: it does build a village of support, which is what 56 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: it's doing, brick by brick. Yeah, absolutely, And it's helping 57 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: women feel heard because you do at times feel like 58 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: you're going a little cray cray, actually a lot of 59 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: the time, just about every day at the moment. How's 60 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: your journey panning out? Look, I'm really not coping with 61 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: the cat and mouse situation of symptoms in that you 62 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: might go a number of weeks, even a month or two, 63 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: we're actually feeling quite inverted commons normal. But then you'll 64 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: have like lately, I've had ripper, absolutely riper hot flushes, 65 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: and you know what, it's almost like it's despite me 66 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: because I think it might have been you. I said 67 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: to you recently. You know, I think I've been lucky 68 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: with the hot flushes. I have got hot. But you know, 69 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: some women are like full on sweat dripping down their face, 70 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: whether it's the onset over summer of the warmer weather. 71 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: But just like this nuclear reactor force within the core 72 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: of your body, it's like you're foaming up. Yeah, like 73 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: some alien life form. It's waiting to bust out of 74 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: your torso. And so you put the MOS on yourself 75 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: because you were kind of thinking, you get a false 76 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: sense of security. 77 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,040 Speaker 2: You think, oh, therese have settled down a bit. I 78 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: think I'm in the home stretch. 79 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's going to sail off into the sunset 80 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: and I reckon. For the last year or so, I've 81 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: been going really well, not having hardly any hot flashes, 82 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: but they have come back with a vengeance. And they 83 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: always happen in the middle of the night. Yeah, And 84 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: it's trying to get a decent night's sleep. 85 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: It's just it's possible. 86 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: I find lack of temperature control, yes, of your body, yes, so, 87 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: And I had this last night and I've even you know, 88 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: I've changed my night where Florence Nightingale has No, I've 89 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: gone into like a summer nighty all year round, and 90 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: I've gone into like satin because i feel like it's cool, 91 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: like it's nice. 92 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: And cold on your skin. 93 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: Maybe it needs some nice satin sheets to go with it. Oh, 94 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: I don't slipping all over the place, Beryl, But no, 95 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: I find you throw the douner off and shove your 96 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: leg out, and that it's the night time equivalent of 97 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: the hokey pokey, isn't it? Im in one arm out 98 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: and then you think, okay, well I'll just leave the 99 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: bedding off now, gues that's it. And then two seconds later, 100 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: literally you're freezing. 101 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: What's with that? 102 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: And then you have to shove it back on the 103 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: course You're constantly waking up your partner because you're throwing 104 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: its double the layers on top of them. Yes, yes, 105 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: so I've found that a little bit challenging. Just read 106 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: the validation Fiona has written, Haypat, sorry, that's very or 107 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: really familiar. But hey, I listen to you every morning, 108 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: so you do kind of feel familiar to me. I'm 109 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: a long time listener to the Christian O'Connell show, so 110 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: I've obviously heard and seen all the advertising for Rage 111 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: against the Menopause. But I'm not a podcast this kind 112 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: of person. Well, I wasn't a podcast kind of person 113 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: until Saturday. I don't know what prompted me to put 114 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: your podcast on as I was driving into work. Looking back, 115 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: I'd say it was a bad menopause weekend. So we're 116 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: not the only ones where we get these periods of 117 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: bad sort of symptoms, and maybe I just needed some 118 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: sort of validation. By the time I got to work, 119 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: I was sobbing. For the first time in five years. 120 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: I didn't feel alone. I didn't feel crazy or misunderstood 121 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: or old or useless or unwanted. I finally felt heard 122 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: and seen. 123 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: Isn't that great. 124 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm now on episode four of the first season, and 125 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: every episode has brought out a different reaction from me, 126 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: usually goosebumps because I feel like you're reading my mind, 127 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: or tears. Like I said, I finally feel seen. That's incredible. 128 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: That's such a compelling feedback. And may I say that 129 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: is a it to you in many ways, Ethel, because 130 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: you are so relatable. I think that's the beauty of 131 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: what you do on the Christian O'Connell show, and just 132 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: in life in general, people can relate to you and 133 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: there's no bullshit about you. But that's the thing. I think, 134 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: you can just be honest and just be yourself. And 135 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: I've spoken about this before in the first series where 136 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: I think for me turning fifty, it was a greater 137 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: level of acceptance of or not even really giving a 138 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: fuck so much. It's like, well, this is me. I'm 139 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: going to lean into it because it can't be anyone else. 140 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: And you're the same as a communicator. You have prided 141 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: yourself on exactly the same lot. It's funny though, prior 142 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: to fifty, I did care greatly what people thought, and 143 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: I did really try to dop my eyes and cross 144 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: my teas through life. 145 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: But it's funny. 146 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: You get into this phase of your life and I 147 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: think more than anything, you become aware of your own 148 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: mortality and the mortality of the people around you, and 149 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: you realize life really is. Sure we don't think about 150 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: it in our twenties, where invincible all that shit is 151 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: just boring shits kind of leave that to the old folks. Well, hey, 152 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: it's going to happen quicker than you think. Yeah, And 153 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: it's going to blow your mind if you're if you're 154 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: a woman and entering this phase of your life, because 155 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: you may be prepared for it, you may sail through it, 156 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: but you may not. 157 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 158 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: And there's a lot going a lot of confronting stuff 159 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: that's that's going to rear its head. Yeah, it's coming 160 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: to get your ads and as we know, a lot 161 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: of women do struggle. I've had another listener write in 162 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: I just wanted to end by saying, this was, you know, 163 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: the end part of their beautiful message. Amongst the hundreds 164 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: of messages that I'm sure you get, the deepest thank you. 165 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: My mother was from an era where you simply didn't 166 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: discuss things like this, so I never knew what to expect. 167 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: There was no fore warning. And my metopause journey has 168 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: taken me to some dark places, which is so frustrating 169 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: because at the same time, I'm fifty four and in 170 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: my stuff what people think here Seriously, Patsy, what you're 171 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: doing will save women from some pretty crappy self loathing 172 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: and dark thoughts. 173 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: Trust me, I know, so thank you. Depression is a 174 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 2: big thing. 175 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: Absolutely, gee whiz that it's so heartening to hear feedback 176 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: like that, and I'm so sad for what for what 177 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: women go through because it is it's it's absolute crap 178 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: and the mental strain is unbelievable, but it's it's lovely 179 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: to for people to share in such an honest way 180 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: and hopefully you know you and I are getting together 181 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: like this week can convey honestly, well, it's another look, 182 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: another thing for me. And just this last week has 183 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: been the brain fade moments where you just have a 184 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: complete brain explosion bank it's like a blank, or you 185 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: do something totally ridiculous. You really brought yourself a mischief, 186 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: didn't you, Like I've had. I've had a couple of 187 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: Baryl moments. It really bad, Yes, I decide. Look, I'm 188 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: not a gardener by any stretch of the imagination, but 189 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: I was standing in my elderly mother's that garden and 190 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: I just I looked over at a plant of boxes 191 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: and I saw a bit of overgrown silver beet and 192 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: a bit of broccoli, and I thought, oh, it looks 193 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: a bit untidy. I might just go over and tidy 194 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: that up and pull it out. Anyway, I started pulling 195 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: a couple of plants out, and I thought yeah, I'm 196 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: not bad at this gardening cake. Next minute, you know 197 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: in the cartoons the road Run of cartoons, where where 198 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: the road runner drops a safe on the coyot, coyote 199 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: c stars spinning around when it gets smashed in the head. 200 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: I saw stars because I had instead of planting something 201 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: as most gardeners do, I planted my face on a 202 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: star picket. 203 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, shocking. 204 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: I went through my forehead and I had three little 205 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: shards of wood stuck vable under my skin in the forehead, 206 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: so like really centimeters from your eye. Yeah, it could 207 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: have been so much worse when I think about how 208 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: much worse could have been, and it was bad enough, 209 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: but yeah. And so sitting there in emergency, and the 210 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: doctor says, so what have we got here? 211 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: What have you done? Oh? 212 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just bent over and I speared my face 213 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: on a garden stake. Yeah, how are you today? So 214 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: they had to cut me open and stitch me up, 215 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: and and I'd run you for something else. It was 216 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: some other tragedy that had happened in my life. And 217 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: I needed to speak to my paddo, and you sounded 218 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: a bit sort of distant. And this is the sort 219 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: of girlfriend that you are you always put everyone else's 220 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: needs first? And then I said you're okay, and you said, well, actually, 221 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: I've done myself a bit of a mischief, you know, 222 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: as you're like profusely bleeding from the head. 223 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 2: Sent you a photo of it. Was awful, Pado. 224 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: But I wasn't with the program. I don't think I 225 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: knew what I was what I was doing. Do you 226 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: think it's because we try to do everything at once 227 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: and we're trying to spin all these different plates. You 228 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: can only speak at our age. At our age ethyl 229 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: that our depth perception changes, yes, too, and sometimes peripheral 230 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: vision or just our vision in general, we don't see 231 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: how close some things are or how far away from 232 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 1: oh gosh, all these different things. 233 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: You don't hear. 234 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: You'll be going for your driver's license again, roads give 235 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: me another test's I've really been taken back by the 236 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: response I've got from men. This is something that's really 237 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: hip ephysics. Because I hoped that it would be in 238 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: the ballpark for women to get something out of the series, 239 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: but I did not expect the number of men that 240 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: have reached out. One who has written, Hi, Patsy, I'm 241 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: a Scottish thirty four year old who listens to the 242 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: Christian O'Connell show on podcasts from when. 243 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: He was in the UK. 244 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: I happened to be in the pub yesterday evening and 245 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: recommended your podcast Rage Against the Menopause to a woman 246 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: I was sat next to having really bad hot flushes 247 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: and was very embarrassed. I've listened to your podcast myself. 248 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: I want to learn to support my partner when she 249 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: has the same in future. There just isn't enough out 250 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: there to help women, and as a partner, I want 251 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: to support my partner any way I can. So I 252 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 1: want to thank you for what you do with podcast 253 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: and educating me. 254 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: What a loveful man you are. What a keeper he 255 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: would be a keeper. And there's another one. 256 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: As a male in my early fifties. When this podcast launched, 257 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: I thought it wouldn't really be for me, but it's 258 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: informative and fun. I've actually learned a lot about what 259 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: the women in my life are probably going through. Best 260 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: of all, it's entertaining, open and honest too. Isn't it 261 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: great to get that feedback from me because it is 262 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: so much about men. 263 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 2: I mean, they live with us with. 264 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: It, and it's like, hey, guys, it doesn't go over 265 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: the top of your heads. 266 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 2: You're as much a part of this as women are. 267 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: Because you've got sisters, you've got mothers, you've got aunts, 268 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: you've got girlfriends, colleagues, all who need support, and I 269 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: think we all need to take an interest in it. 270 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: Speaking of from the male perspective, my husband said the 271 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: other day, if you're going to do the podcast with Patrina, 272 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: ask about how much women blame on menopause. They said, 273 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: how much are you allowed to blame on menopause? And 274 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: how much is just life? So you know, it's a 275 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: really good point. Yeah. I'm of the habit around the 276 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: house if I'm in a bad mood, or I drop something, 277 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: or I make a mistake, I'll just turn around say, oh, 278 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: well it's menopause. It's menopause, yea. And I do tend 279 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: to blame it for a lot in my life. 280 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: I think a lot of women do. 281 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: And Sarah White, doctor Sarah White from gene Hales, made 282 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: the point in that first series, the very first episode, 283 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: actually that a lot of women do blame a lot 284 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: of their symptoms on menopause or perimenopause when it isn't 285 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: necessarily which is probably why it's good to have a 286 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: good gp and you can say, hey, this is something 287 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: new that's happening. 288 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: What's going on. 289 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: Maybe that it is menopause, may not be, but I 290 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: think we all fall back on that. 291 00:14:59,520 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: I do this. 292 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: I totally do the same. Another guy, what an amazing, 293 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: balanced and realistic insight into a condition that evolutionary biologists, 294 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: that's a mouthful. My goodness have been trying to understand 295 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: the origins of and significance for decades. And a professor 296 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: that's just definitely onto something here, and she's inspired me 297 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: to start preparing my twenty nine year old daughter, as 298 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: I had no idea that perimenopause symptoms could start for 299 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: her anytime soon. Also, don't forget dad's husbands, sons, coworkers, friends, 300 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: anyone connected to a woman. Everyone should understand the signs 301 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: and symptoms. 302 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: As they're different for everyone. 303 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they are the myriad of symptoms, So nothing 304 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: new for you, sort of all the same sort of 305 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: things you've been experiencing the last twelve months, the hot 306 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: flushes and just more moments of doing really well, I guess, 307 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: just dumb things. Yeah. Can I tell you one thing 308 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: I did and I blame this menopause too. I was 309 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: having my haircut this week and I was in the salon. 310 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: I was sitting in front of the mirror, and Kate, 311 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: my hairdresser, was just finishing up. And this lady I 312 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: saw her across the other side of the salon opened 313 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: the door and she said, oh, Kate, are we still 314 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: on for a four thirty appointment. Kate said yeah, we'll 315 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: see you. Then she said, Okay, see you, and she 316 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: closed the door. And I said to Kate, I didn't 317 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: ever realize I've been to this salon dozens of times. 318 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: I didn't ever realize that you have two doors in 319 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: this salon, that there's the front and the back. And 320 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: Kate looked at me and she said, Sarah, you're looking 321 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: in the mirror. That's the reflection of the friend. I 322 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: forgot your eyes. I forgot for a second that I 323 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: was looking in the mirror. I thought I was looking 324 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: across it. 325 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: Again. 326 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: It's like the perception thing you were talking about. I 327 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: you know what, No, I totally get that. I get 328 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: what you mean is that it's like it takes a 329 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: while for what you're seeing to register with your brains. Yes, 330 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: and you're finding that too, But is that a menopause 331 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: thing or just that we're getting old tarts. Well, I 332 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: don't think it. Look, I've been a bit daft in 333 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: the past, but not quite that dumb. 334 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 2: I know what you mean. It takes a while to 335 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 2: compute sometimes and in your job too. 336 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: Love when you're on air and you know, a fast moving, 337 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: fast paced breakfast show and you have to be on 338 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: the ball, do you sometimes feel that your brain Do 339 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: you feel like your brain's keeping up or sometimes. 340 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: You think some days, some days I'm on top of it. 341 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: Probably for the most part, I'm on top of it, 342 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: but definitely there are days where I'm just feel like 343 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: I'm chasing my backside all morning, where It's like, okay, 344 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: where am I at now? 345 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: I'm like five steps behind. Because you are. 346 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: Doing a lot of bit, you know, I think that 347 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: carries over to life for a lot of women. 348 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 2: We're doing a lot of things. 349 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 1: We want to talk about teenagers in this episode because 350 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: my daughter's coming up fourteen, your son nineteen, an adult, 351 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: but he's still very young, and to me, he's They're 352 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: always babies, aren't Yeah. 353 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 2: They really are. 354 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: And then you know, into the mix is elderly parents 355 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: and my mum who's coming up to nine. 356 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 2: She's amazing. 357 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, she has been up until this year, and this 358 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: year she's just had an absolute shocker, hospital trips and 359 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: frustration and a gradual loss of her independence. So she 360 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: has been fiercely, fiercely independent. Yes, and so trying to 361 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:27,719 Speaker 1: juggle that along with you know, the needs of a 362 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: young man in your life, yes, and your husband, yes, 363 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: and everything else on your career and everything else. 364 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: But I think you're doing well. 365 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: You've had a sea change, You've moved down to the coast, 366 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: and I've never seen you happier, which is so. No, 367 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: you've boot scooting. You love your bootscoot. Tell us about 368 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: you're addicted. You go like every week. 369 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 2: I go twice a week, twice a week now. 370 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. A girlfriend from who lives down that way 371 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: just said to me one day, Sarah, do you want 372 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: to come? 373 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: She calls it line dancing. I call it bootschoom. She 374 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 2: doesn't come line dancing, she said. 375 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: It's full of old people, and you know, ladies in 376 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: their seventies, some of them their eighties. But it's like 377 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: the physical equivalent of saduku, so you can remember the steps, 378 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: So it's good for your brain. So I had one 379 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: crack at it, and I really enjoyed it. And more 380 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: than just the physical exercise, it's just the it's doable. 381 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: It's a social out, its social outing. Yeah, and I 382 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 2: just want to the older I get. 383 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: I just I'm more of the I'm more of the 384 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,120 Speaker 1: mindset that life really is sure and we have it's 385 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: really hard to I think men are a lot better 386 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: at taking one day at a time. I think women 387 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: tend to look ahead and too far ahead of ourselves, 388 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: way too far ahead. And we'll say, look, I'll be 389 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: happy when I've dated off the car, I've paid off 390 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: the house. I'll be happy when we when we move here, 391 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: when we fix our bathroom, I'll you know, I won't 392 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: wear the great lovely clothes that I've won. 393 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: Because therefore keep them good. 394 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, best you wear a good makeup that's only for 395 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: when we go out, all the teacups and all the 396 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 1: lovely crocker is do you know what that special day 397 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: is not going to Today is special? Today is special, 398 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: and you don't know what tomorrow is going to ring. 399 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: And I'm really trying to practice that sort of motto 400 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: in life. Yeah, Yeah, I love I love this version 401 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: of you I do. I do, No, I do, because 402 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: you you're grabbing life at the horns and just going. 403 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 2: With it, and a thin bag you are. You're a 404 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 2: sexy horn bag. But it's true. You're so right. 405 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: It's life is short and and you have to enjoy 406 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: as much as you can out of every day as 407 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: you navigate this. 408 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 2: Asshole that is perimenopause in man. Pause. 409 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: And I know that you will, you know, push back 410 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: at this because you are a modest person. But look 411 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: at the ear you have had. I mean, you have 412 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: an incredible amount of things on your plate and two 413 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: years in a row. I mean you've picked up this, 414 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: this coveted award as Australia's best FM News three to 415 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: that is just incredible. You're a mum, you're a wife, 416 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: you work breakfast hours, you do this podcast. I mean, 417 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: I think I'm not surprised you get this kind of 418 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: reaction for this podcast because it's so important and people 419 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: just think you're amazing. No, but I think people need it, 420 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: Women need it, women want it. I know That's why 421 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: I did it. As you know, going into menopause, there 422 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: was just nothing and I just thought, this can't be 423 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: how this journey ends. When there's so much support, as 424 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: I've said before, for pregnancy and conception and birth, we 425 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: can't be just discarded and thrown cast aside. We need 426 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: support and we need information. And that's where this Menopause 427 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: Senate inquiry has been so good because finally, I mean, 428 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: I know we've got a long way to go, but 429 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: it's out there. And who would have thought in our 430 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: parents day an age that anything like this could could 431 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: possibly happen be recognized? 432 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: Yes, way talk about it. 433 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: It was almost a shameful thing in our mother's generation 434 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: when they started to go through it, wouldn't it. 435 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 2: It's like you did ever talk shameful. Periods were shameful. 436 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: You know. 437 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: My mother never used the words pad or so she 438 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: was modess Yes, Yes, which is a brand name. And 439 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: it was so awkward talking to them about them. You 440 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: could tell they felt awkward. And that's certainly not how 441 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: I want to beat with Audrey, although I probably do 442 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: overshare it Toms, but that's I don't know. I think 443 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 1: that's what we have to do is just have an 444 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: open and frank discussion about it. There's another man, lucky, 445 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: another man. Can I thank you for helping me as 446 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: a husband? To understand what my wife is currently experiencing. 447 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 1: In the first three episodes of series one, I've learned 448 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: a huge amount. Once again, thank you well. I think 449 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: that's the thing with your partner. You're both navigating it together. 450 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: No one has all the answers. What is your secret? 451 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: Do you think? 452 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: I mean, Kevy is just salt of the earth, Kevin 453 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: Neally who has these moments. Oh, he's just legendary broadcaster. 454 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: No he is, No, he absolutely is. 455 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: You're lucky. I'm lucky as well. 456 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 1: I think we've got our soulmates and that's so important 457 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: that you do it together, that you've got that support well, 458 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: and I think that quite apart from being you know, 459 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: you're you're a loving partner. 460 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 2: They are. 461 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: The foundation is built on friendship and I think you 462 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: have to have that solid friendship to be able to 463 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: have that understanding from your partner. Sometimes they don't and 464 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: they can't understand because they're not going through it. But 465 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: I'll give Kevin credit that he tries his level best. 466 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: You know, men are problem solvers, they're fixes. They like 467 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: to come up with a solution. Say okay, well, what 468 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: can we do to solve this couple of panid. 469 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 2: Doll and we're kick in the nuts sound. 470 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: It's lovely, But that's I think that's just a general 471 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: thing with some men. It's that they like to fix it, 472 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: and that's lovely that they do. But some things are 473 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: not fixable. You just have the only. 474 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 2: Way it is to go through it. That's right. 475 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 1: So but look, Kevin, it is wonderfully understanding. And like 476 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: you said it with Chris, Chris just adores you, he 477 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: adores Audrey, and I'm sure he would just he'd walk 478 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: over hot coals if it meant that he could try 479 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: to help you through this journey. It is so hard 480 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: for them though, because you know they don't understand, and 481 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: particularly when you have those moments of the instant rage 482 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: and everything's getting at you and there's nothing that they 483 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: can do, is right. And you know the other thing 484 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: about it is you know you're being a preck yes, 485 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: and you don't mean to be. 486 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 2: See it unfolding? Well, you know what. 487 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: I don't realize until the moment where he will say, 488 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm just going to pop out and 489 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: give you some time, and I think, oh god, yeah, yes, 490 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: and then I reflect and think, oh, I like the branch. 491 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 2: Missed has yes, burst, yeah, and. 492 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: You think, oh no, see that's not and the guilt, 493 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: you feel so guilt that they don't deserve that. It's like, oh, 494 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: I've been too or Kevin will say, oh that's a bit, 495 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, that's a bit, and he will walk away too. Yeah, 496 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: because that's the only I guess that's the only route 497 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: left open, because you get whatever he says, it's not 498 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: going to be the right thing. Nothing they say will 499 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: be enough or good enough, or just that there will 500 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: be something. 501 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: That you'll have as a comeback to them. And it's 502 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 2: really hard. Does that shock you sometimes? Because yes it does. 503 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 1: You have a very from what I you know, my 504 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: experience and even sort of tempermi do you really know me? No? 505 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: But yes, that it is in life in general. It's 506 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: quite shocking to think it's that zero to one hundred 507 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: and in point three of a second, and it is 508 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: quite shocking. 509 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 2: It is quite shot. 510 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: The person in habits your body, Yes, Linda Blair Exorcist, 511 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: head spin, Yes, three sixty. It really is so cutos 512 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: to the men in our lives who are supporting you. Know. 513 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: Of course, some some women don't have that in their life. 514 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: I don't know how they do it. I would hope 515 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: that they have some really great girlfriends that are helping 516 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: them through their journey. And I would also say too, 517 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: if you feel like you're not getting the support from 518 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: your otherhalf, tell them what you need or think might help. Yes, 519 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: and if that means just a you know, maybe even 520 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: just a caddle or something without an agenda, then with 521 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: no happy ending, no happy ending, no happy ending. Yeah, no, 522 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: you're right, You're absolutely right. And a good point of 523 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: reference is the gene Hales Foundation website. 524 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 2: It's brilliant. 525 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: There are so many drop downs in so many aspects. 526 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: There's psychological support, there's nutrition advice, exercise advice, a list 527 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: of gps that you can go to. It is a 528 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: really good, if I can use the term one stop shop, 529 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: it's a good starting point if not your local GP. 530 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: If you don't have a local GP that you feel is. 531 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 1: Hearing you out of that Senate inquiry is quite shocking 532 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: to think that medical students only get sixty men and 533 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 1: that's one hour of menopause education across their whole course. 534 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 2: That is shocking. What's a GP? Is it six years? 535 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: Yea more? 536 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 2: Even yeah? Sixty minutes that's all they get. 537 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: So Are we surprised that we're in I'm going to 538 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: say predicament. Are we surprised that women aren't feeling heard, 539 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: aren't feeling a lot? 540 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 2: Wouldn't that? 541 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: So? I think this inquiry will be great because it's 542 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: an election year. Hopefully whoever comes into power that you know, 543 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: we're not going to look back now that we're on 544 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: the way towards a better solution for women undergoing perian Absolutely, 545 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: and how it impacts them in the workforce, and it 546 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 1: really does you feel that you need to have an 547 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,239 Speaker 1: excuse up. You see, if you're not you know, if 548 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: it's impacting you and you you're not up to doing 549 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: your job, you feel guilty. 550 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 2: But you shouldn't feel guilty about that, No, and. 551 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: Be able to talk about it like you would if 552 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: you were pregnant and had morning sickness. 553 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: It's no different. Yeah, exactly right, beautiful, Thanks Pato again, 554 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: or Beryl? Should I say, I get confused. 555 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: Beryl, and I think you're ethel and it's interchange it. 556 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: It's interchangeable. We're like chameleons, karma chameleons. 557 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: Yes, thanks love. 558 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: Journalist and presenter Sarah Patterson. She makes a ripper cream Sponge. 559 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: You can catch her podcast Food Bites wherever you get 560 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 1: your podcasts. The Rage continues in episode two with Green's 561 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: leader Larissa Waters, who helped instigate the Senate Inquiry into menopause, 562 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: a milestone moment for Ossie women, shining a light on 563 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: the current state of affairs and taking aim at how 564 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: to move forward in changing the course for future generations 565 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: of women. I'm Patrina Jones, and this is Rage against 566 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: the Menopause. 567 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: Rage against the Menopause was