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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast. It's the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: time poor parent who just wants answers.

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Speaker 2: Now, good day, this stops. Justin Colson, Welcome to the

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Speaker 2: Happy Families Podcast. Today a special guest having a chat about.

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Speaker 1: Kids and cash.

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Speaker 2: That's right, children and money. How do they manage it

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Speaker 2: or how do they mismanage it? What are they doing

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Speaker 2: with their dollars that we give them their hard earned

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Speaker 2: pocket money, their birthday money, their Christmas money. Yesh Co

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Speaker 2: is the MD, the managing director of a new app

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Speaker 2: that's called kit k I Kit and Yes, joins me

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Speaker 2: now to talk about kids, money and the app. By

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Speaker 2: the way, I will mention this is not a sponsored podcast.

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Speaker 2: I came across yesh through a mutual friend saw some

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Speaker 2: of the data that had been collected by kit and

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Speaker 2: the things that they're doing with the app. I thought

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Speaker 2: parents need to know about this, so hashtag not sponsored.

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Speaker 2: Yesh thanks for joining me on the Happy Families Podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's great to have you here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for harvary. Justin.

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Speaker 2: So parents need to teach their kids about money. You've

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Speaker 2: done a survey and found that a lot of kids

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Speaker 2: think that the most effective way to teach kids about

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Speaker 2: money is through standardized lessons at school. That surprised me.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the percentage of parents that were going

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Speaker 2: in that direction and why you think that's important and

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Speaker 2: do you reckon that they're on the ball there or

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Speaker 2: do you think the parents should be doing it.

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Speaker 3: So sixty one percent of parents that we surveyed, and

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Speaker 3: there were two thousand parents that we surveyed across Australia

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Speaker 3: so that they thought that schools are best faced for

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Speaker 3: kids to learn about money. And I agree that schools

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Speaker 3: are a very important place to learn about what we

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Speaker 3: call financial literacy, which is the knowledge and concepts when

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Speaker 3: it comes to money. But there's much more to being

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Speaker 3: good at money than just financial literacy. We talk about

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Speaker 3: financial capability, which encompasses things like the values you have

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Speaker 3: around money, positive money mindsets and behaviors. And parents actually

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Speaker 3: play a really strong role, not just in role modeling,

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Speaker 3: they do have those skills when they're in everyday money

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Speaker 3: moments like it's a supermarket or when they're buying lollies

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Speaker 3: or things that they might be saving for. So you know,

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Speaker 3: it has to be both.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that I learned very much about money

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Speaker 2: and realized that I didn't have any money again, And

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Speaker 2: that wasn't necessarily when I was at the touch shop

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Speaker 2: spending money on my twenty cents worth of eucalyptus drops.

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Speaker 1: And my meat pie. Do you reckon that?

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Speaker 2: It's one of those things so that no matter how

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Speaker 2: much you talk about money, the kids eventually have to

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Speaker 2: go and live it and experience it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely nothing is teaches kids faster about money than spending

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Speaker 3: all their pocket money and wanting something and realizing they

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Speaker 3: don't have enough to teach them to save. So no,

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Speaker 3: I agree, it's not just talking about money. Talking is

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Speaker 3: very important and financial socialization. Talking about money is a

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Speaker 3: key indicator financial capability. The other side of it is

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Speaker 3: having hands on experience and kids being able to make

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Speaker 3: have to deal with money. You know, they're young and

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Speaker 3: want to have fun, and then yes, you can do that,

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Speaker 3: but you can also do in a really controlled way,

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Speaker 3: so you know, the giving of pocket money and getting

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Speaker 3: them to earn money through chores ways that kids can understand, Yes,

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Speaker 3: money's not free, You've got to do things to earn money.

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Speaker 3: And then the decision they make about money, You know,

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Speaker 2: It's so funny that you use those two words. I

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Speaker 2: was literally about to say delayed gratification. It's such a

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Speaker 2: you about something specific that came up in your research. So,

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Speaker 2: as you said, two thousand Australian parents, you found that

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Speaker 2: fourteen hundred of them, more than in fact, more than that,

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Speaker 2: that online games are having on their kids' money behavior.

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Speaker 2: But about half of parents are actively avoiding having conversations with.

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Speaker 2: Can we unpack that a little bit because there's so

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Speaker 3: Oh, yes, and online games are I think they're very

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, we'll PlayStation and maybe you go

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Speaker 2: The lady held the machine out for me to tap

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Speaker 2: Like it didn't click with her that I was actually

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Speaker 2: giving her a pineapple, a little sort of golden colored

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Speaker 2: We know now that our kids, because they've got access

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Speaker 3: Yes, And it's not just sort of gambling in the

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Speaker 2: Another question for you in relation to kids and money.

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Speaker 2: In your survey, did you ask parents whether they feel

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Speaker 2: like they're equipped well equipped to teach their children about

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Speaker 2: how money works, both in real life and in the

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Speaker 2: I mean, the online world is still real life, but

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, you know, more than half parents that we

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Speaker 3: from other sources. And this is particularly this case for

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Speaker 3: the sort of online and cashist society that parents just

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Speaker 2: Yesh Yeshko is the managing director of a new app

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Speaker 2: called kit It's a money app for kids. This is

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Speaker 2: Podcast, the podcast for the type of parent who just

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Speaker 2: wants answers. Now, I think we need to get to

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Speaker 2: some answers. Ishko is the managing director of a new

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Speaker 1: Yesh.

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Speaker 2: I'm really enjoying our conversation. I want to talk about

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Speaker 2: how parents can help their kids to become more money literate.

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Speaker 2: You've done all this research, You've got a couple of

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Speaker 3: So I put them towards sort of three different things.

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Speaker 3: So the first one is it is really important to

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Speaker 2: Yes, I want to pick up on that because there's

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Speaker 2: A lot of parents are like, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: What a great conversation. Tell us a little bit about KIT.

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Speaker 2: Since you've been so kind sharing all of these great

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Speaker 1: What is KIT?

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Speaker 3: So? Kit is a money up for kids. It is

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Speaker 3: It gives them that level of autonomy, but where parents

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Speaker 3: So when certain things happen the app, Kit will nudge

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 3: Kickballs explain when they first activate their prepaid card. For example,

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Speaker 2: Okay, super If people want to learn more about Kit,

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Speaker 3: Kit dot com dot Au is our website and you

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Speaker 2: Okay, y Ish co the MD of a new app

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Speaker 2: called Kit. You can find out more at Heykit dot

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Speaker 2: com dot You. Really appreciate your time, y Ish, and

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Speaker 2: good luck with the app. I hope that it helps

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Speaker 2: a whole new generation of kids become so much more

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Speaker 3: Well done, Thanks so much, Justin appreciate it.

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