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Speaker 1: It's time for the week that whilst joining us in

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Speaker 1: the studio today we have got Jared Mayley, the Deputy

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Speaker 1: Opposition Later, Good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning Katie, Good morning listeners. Fred's PA show

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Speaker 2: this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to see Keasy as Goats, she's got what.

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Speaker 3: What about chickens? I'm interested in seeing.

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Speaker 1: That samey I asked her during the week big question,

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Speaker 1: you know, is she going to do a demonstration of

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Speaker 1: the chicken resuscitation?

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Speaker 3: But she she'll be which chicken?

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Speaker 4: That's the problem.

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Speaker 1: Counseling And in the studio with us, Matt cutting in

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Speaker 1: from Sky News.

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Speaker 5: Finally back mate and how do I follow that wid Chicken?

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Speaker 1: And we've got Paul Kirby, the Minister for Small Business

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Speaker 1: and various other portfolios.

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Speaker 6: Good to see you this morning, Curbs.

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Speaker 7: How you going, Katie? How are you going?

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Speaker 8: Everyone with freshman bass in the grass and looking to

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Speaker 8: a big weekend of footy, an amount of other things

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Speaker 8: happening as well as the Fred's past.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there truly is so much happening. But look this morning,

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Speaker 1: I am going to start with some sad news. We

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Speaker 1: know that the state funeral for fey Miller is going

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Speaker 1: to get underway in just over an hour. She was

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Speaker 1: indeed a pioneering Territory woman. She paved the way for

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Speaker 1: that state funeral is going to recognize her decades of

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Speaker 1: and I think it's really fitting that we do start

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Speaker 1: the show with that. I remember one day when we

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Speaker 1: did take the week that was to Catherine, and on

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Speaker 1: the panel that morning was Natasha Philes, Fay Miller, and

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Speaker 1: Gary Higgins. And Fay was such an advocate for the

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Speaker 1: Northern Territory and an incredible woman. She did an incredible

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Speaker 1: the mayor of Catherine.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I knew Faith from back in the day and she

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Speaker 2: was just a lady who just loved Catherine and if

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Speaker 2: you said anything bad about Catherine, she'd be on to you.

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Speaker 2: And then she took the whole terroryonder ring as well,

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Speaker 2: and when she become MLA. So look, it's a very

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Speaker 2: sad loss. It's going to be a sad day, and

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Speaker 2: Catherine is a loss without her.

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Speaker 8: It is very sad, and it's appropriate to acknowledge Fay

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Speaker 8: and obviously our best wishes go to her family and friend,

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Speaker 8: but they were certainly somebody I met once i'd come

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Speaker 8: territory as well. And she did end up moving up

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Speaker 7: In the latter years. But yeah, it is very sad passing.

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Speaker 4: She was a fierce advocate for her people, wilfee in it.

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Speaker 5: Of course, my favorite fem Miller story, and I think

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Speaker 5: pretty much everyone's, is the day that she stood up

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Speaker 5: And recently we've seen compensation awarded for some of those

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I generally a nice person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she really was a classy politician and a classy

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Speaker 1: that state funeral. Now, there is quite a lot to

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure whether that vehicle was stolen or exactly

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, and that area there has been

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Speaker 5: You really have to, like, you know, your heart goes

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the police do a great job on

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Speaker 3: So a big shout out to them.

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Speaker 2: I know that their survey says that the government feels

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Speaker 2: and I just thank god that the police Minister didn't

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Speaker 5: You've got an extra yeah, I think I think we've

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Speaker 8: But I had an opportunity to catch up with some

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Speaker 1: And look, we will talk a little bit more about

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Speaker 1: exactly what's going on in that incident in Nightcliff. We'll

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Speaker 6: But on this note, while we.

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Speaker 6: Take a listen, Senate.

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Speaker 9: Senator McCarthy come to can you let what's happen, Senator

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Speaker 9: thought I have said that we've invested twenty five million

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Speaker 6: Which gave the nor Territory police that you've spoken about.

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Speaker 8: And how dare you when we have first people working

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Speaker 6: Force you have protecting the police.

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Speaker 9: I'm telling you that we also had the first Nations

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Speaker 9: The police are police across the no matter what color

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Speaker 9: you are, not just police. Police brings you, obviously don't

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Speaker 6: To want to see. Shame on No, shame shame on you.

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Speaker 6: You're the one who brings to that was killing out.

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Speaker 9: But to your own you are an absolute you are.

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Speaker 1: So that is just some of the audio from what

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Speaker 5: And what you have there is one person with lived

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Speaker 5: Scrimer talk about it at lengths. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 5: too many people who say no, we don't want them.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely yeah, out of pamnarty at the moment that they're

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Speaker 8: Certainly, when we go to communities, that's one of the

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Speaker 8: And it's that community based type of policing that they

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Speaker 8: want to continue to see people that are going to

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Speaker 8: with a many flitty or had been to any of

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Speaker 8: those communities in the Northern Territory. You know, to say

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Speaker 8: that fourteen million dollars into policing is not going to help.

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Speaker 8: On top of the one hundred and twenty odd million

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Speaker 8: that we've put in in over the last few years.

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Speaker 7: We have to invest in that.

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Speaker 8: And it's ridiculous to hear people from down south carry

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Speaker 3: Just disgraceful.

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Speaker 5: And I mean, remember this is the same person who

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Speaker 5: once when Selena Eubo was the Attorney General of the

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Speaker 5: said that the Northern Territory Attorney General was a white man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you think you've got no idea. She's looking

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Speaker 1: for a headline. But at what point do we go

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Speaker 1: this is enough. This person should not be able to

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Speaker 3: Set of trying to raise that, Like what point is

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Speaker 2: Because she's done this on many occasions and you can

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Speaker 3: Up for the territory, standing up for the territory. Well done.

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Speaker 1: The story that's certainly divided opinions. I think you'd have

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Speaker 6: Some pure artisan.

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Speaker 2: Me too, I think this is unacceptable behavior. And there's

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Speaker 3: And I feel sorry for Natasha.

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Speaker 8: We do, and we were talking outside about your really available,

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Speaker 7: But the trouble is some of these just because you can.

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Speaker 8: We do a lot of campaigning, either as elected members

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Speaker 7: But what people of the public.

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Speaker 8: Don't understand is that everybody's got other things going on

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Speaker 6: She has spoken publicly about it, has.

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Speaker 8: Spoken publicly my family and I have been targeted, or

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's disgraceful behavior, and I think we've

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Speaker 5: They're the same group that you know stormed into Michael

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Speaker 7: And be interesting to know how many people have swung

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Speaker 2: It is unacceptable and don't do it. We're just normal

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Speaker 8: If people think like we live in the community, we

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Speaker 8: Twenty five ks for anybody to do, but a person

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Speaker 1: We are also hearing that now the anti franking protesters

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Speaker 2: That I'm saying, you know, protest if you want to,

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm not sure that thirty years ago we'd

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Speaker 8: was being chasing harass like that, you would pull it up.

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Speaker 7: So, yeah, I think you're right.

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Speaker 8: Social media has changed scenes and post COVID things have

444
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Speaker 8: changed a lot, and iun known Natasha tried to speak

445
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Speaker 8: through that the other day, But the high little briefings

446
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Speaker 8: that we get not just for elected members but even

447
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Speaker 8: for senior bureaucrats and people not just here but around

448
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Speaker 8: the world, the threat levels have changed, and it's just

449
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Speaker 8: something that we don't need to be like that in

450
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Speaker 8: the territory.

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Speaker 5: Better than that, I've only had that, you know, the

452
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Speaker 5: great irony with what happened to Natasha. The other day

453
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Speaker 5: is I don't think we've ever had a greener chief

454
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Speaker 5: minister in all the territory's history. She's probably been, you know,

455
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Speaker 5: the most. She's probably done more than any politician in

456
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Speaker 5: this place to sort of put the regulations around the

457
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Speaker 5: onshore gas industry and to sort of even try and

458
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Speaker 5: stand in their way at times. So you know, the

459
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Speaker 5: fact that she's copping it certainly well.

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Speaker 1: And look, I am now seeing photos of, you know,

461
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Speaker 1: of this protest that's going on this morning as well.

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Speaker 1: So apparently they've chained themselves to this drilling equipment and anyway,

463
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Speaker 1: we'll wait and see what happens with that one.

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Speaker 6: Pretty unbelievable stuff.

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Speaker 1: And look, I wonder as well, and I do think

466
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Speaker 1: to myself, and I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. I

467
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Speaker 1: know what happens on both sides of the fence, But

468
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Speaker 1: sometimes the extreme left, you know, they do think that

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Speaker 1: they're okay to say and do what they please because

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Speaker 1: they feel as though what, you know, their opinion is

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Speaker 1: the right one, and that when it comes to you know,

472
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Speaker 1: fracking and not wanting it to go ahead, they feel

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Speaker 1: as though that opinion is the right one and it's

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Speaker 1: the only opinion that should be heard.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 1: I know that it's the same on the extreme right,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not pretending that it's only on one side

478
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Speaker 1: and not the other. But you know, most of Australia

479
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Speaker 1: sits in the middle. They don't sit on those extreme sides.

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Speaker 2: What about the innocent people in the moms and days?

481
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Speaker 2: You just want to go to work when they've blocked

482
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Speaker 2: this harbor bridge and probably probably doesn't have a toim

483
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Speaker 2: I can dark that traffic is not quite as bad,

484
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Speaker 2: but they inconvenience so literally millions of people for their

485
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Speaker 2: point of view, which is why should they impinge on

486
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Speaker 2: all those people just doing their day to day business

487
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Speaker 2: for their point of view? I just think they want

488
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Speaker 2: to protest, great, but do it respectivelly, Yeah, do it

489
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Speaker 2: in a good place and where no one's going to

490
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Speaker 2: get hurt or not going to impingeent and affect on

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Speaker 2: these four moms and days who are just paying the bills.

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Speaker 6: Look, we're going to take a bit of a break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three

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Speaker 1: six eed is the week that was in the studio

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Speaker 1: with us this morning. If you've just joined us, we

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Speaker 1: have got Paul Kirby Matt Cunningham.

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Speaker 6: And Jared Mayley.

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Speaker 1: Now, Matt a story by you throughout this week sky

499
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Speaker 1: News reporting that Northern Territory Police conducted surveillance on the

500
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Speaker 1: Children's Commission at Colleen Gwinn's home during their failed attempt

501
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Speaker 1: to prosecute her over allegations of abusive office. Now detectives

502
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Speaker 1: diary notes obtained by you show that officers cased out

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Speaker 1: the Nightcliff home where she was living with her children,

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Speaker 1: and that was all in relation to the investigation into

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Speaker 1: an emp eployment matter in late twenty eighteen. Follows on

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Speaker 1: from further reports from you this week, talk us through

507
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Speaker 1: exactly what you found.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you what, Katie, the more that I

509
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Speaker 5: dig into this matter, the more I am alarmed at

510
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Speaker 5: what happened. In with the case of Colin Gwynn. The

511
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Speaker 5: accusation against her was that she hired her friend as

512
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Speaker 5: the assistant commissioner. Now, it needs to be pointed out

513
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Speaker 5: that her friend, Laura Juson, was one of two people

514
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Speaker 5: who an independent panel had deemed was.

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Speaker 4: Suitable for the role. That she appointed her too.

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Speaker 5: She sought the advice of the HR director at the

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Speaker 5: Department of Attorney General and Justice, who sought the advice

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Speaker 5: from the Officer of the Solicitor General who told her

519
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Speaker 5: she was okay to do this. Okay, I'm not sure

520
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Speaker 5: what else she could have done in that situation. That event,

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Speaker 5: after a complaint was made, has sparked a three year

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Speaker 5: police investigation that has included her home surveillance on her

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Speaker 5: home where she was living with her primary school aged children,

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Speaker 5: her office being bugged, her phone being tapped, Officers flying

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Speaker 5: to four different states, four senior detectives working on the

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Speaker 5: case at any one time, flying to four different states

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Speaker 5: to investigate witnesses over what essentially was a hr employment

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Speaker 5: matter and which in the end is exactly what the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court deemed when they threw the matter out of court.

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand why that level of resourcing was

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Speaker 1: used on on that case.

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Speaker 5: Well, this is the very good question as to why

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Speaker 5: such a huge level of resources and such a huge

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Speaker 5: effort was put into this investigation. Remembering that Colin Gwynn

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Speaker 5: is a former senior police officer and that she is

536
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Speaker 5: the former head of Professional and ethical Standards within the

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Speaker 5: Northern Tier Territory Police, right, so you have to start

538
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Speaker 5: asking the question as to why such extreme lengths were

539
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Speaker 5: taken to try and secure this prosecution. And I think

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Speaker 5: there are questions that need to be asked of both

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Speaker 5: the police and the DPP about this, and at the

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Speaker 5: moment we're really only getting standard answers in response to them.

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Speaker 5: The other thing that we revealed last week is that

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Speaker 5: those same detectives notes show that there was one crucial

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Speaker 5: piece of information that, in the words of those detectives,

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Speaker 5: would mean the whole job is gone, and that was

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Speaker 5: confirmation from Brian Mappis, the HR director at the Department

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Speaker 5: of Attorney General in Justice, and from the Officer of

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Speaker 5: Solicitor General that Colin Gwinn had been given that advice

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Speaker 5: that she had the legal authority to appoint Laura Jucein

551
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Speaker 5: to that position. They got that evidence, they confirmed that

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Speaker 5: bit of evidence, and they still investigated for another sixteen months,

553
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Speaker 5: running surveillance on her home, bugging her offers, tapping her

554
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Speaker 5: phone until they eventually charged her, and it takes three

555
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Speaker 5: years before it gets to the Preme Court and it

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Speaker 5: gets thrown out before the defense has presented any evidence.

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Speaker 5: I just it's just mind boggling to me, and I

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Speaker 5: can't understand now why the Northern Territory government doesn't take

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Speaker 5: some action and either call an inquiry or referre to

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Speaker 5: to ikak because there's a lot here.

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Speaker 4: To me that just doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 2: And you go back a step further when I read

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Speaker 2: the story she was saying that she called into the

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Speaker 2: Chief Ministers Office saying that we're not going to renew

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Speaker 2: your contract.

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Speaker 3: We want an original commissioner. How is all that involved?

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Speaker 3: Did that starting thing off? How's that?

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Speaker 2: It's just really it's time for the attachment files to

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Speaker 2: stump up and not just give those standard answers say

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to comment. She needs to come clean

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Speaker 2: and say exactly what the government involvement was, what happened,

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Speaker 2: because this is just a dog's breakfast.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that's why we need an inquiry because

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Speaker 5: now we have all of these questions about all of

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Speaker 5: these things, and I think the only way to look

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Speaker 5: at what's happening in the Act right with the Lerman

577
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Speaker 5: Higgins case, the Act government, there's clear the issues there,

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Speaker 5: there's disagreements between the police and the DPP. They call

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Speaker 5: a public inquiry. That public inquiry now is allowing the

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Speaker 5: Act government to get to the bottom of the matter.

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Speaker 5: But more importantly, it's restoring the public's fund trust.

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Speaker 4: In the system.

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Speaker 5: And I think that that the public's trust in the

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Speaker 5: system at the moment is wavering because we've seen cases

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Speaker 5: like this that on their surface at least just do

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Speaker 5: not look right.

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Speaker 8: And look, I won't make comment, and that'll annoy you

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Speaker 8: about not making any comment. But you know, Colin is

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Speaker 8: obviously well known through the territory. Anybody that's had anything

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Speaker 8: to do with AFL or policing or many other sectors

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Speaker 8: knows Colleens.

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Speaker 7: I won't step into that.

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Speaker 8: But the IKAK, for example, well, that's one of the

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Speaker 8: reasons why we did bring an Eyekak in.

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Speaker 5: And so you've seen what I've written, you've seen what's

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Speaker 5: been reported.

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Speaker 7: It don't read your stuff, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Send it to you.

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Speaker 4: But should it be referred to IKAK at.

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Speaker 7: Least that is obviously an option for people going forward.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, I can't comment about whether it should or

602
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Speaker 8: it shouldn't, or whether people will or won't. We don't

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Speaker 8: get alerted to whether it has or hasn't because there

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Speaker 8: is that separation. I think the acting could be Commissioner.

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Speaker 8: Police Commissioner spoke through that yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I mean you touched on there as well, like you've

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Speaker 1: spoken about her AFL background and also you know the

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Speaker 1: work that she's done as a Northern Territory police officer.

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Speaker 1: And the thing that really sort of gets me is

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Speaker 1: I think this is a woman who's done so much

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Speaker 1: over her career and so much that you could really

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Speaker 1: look at and as a human feel very proud of

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Speaker 1: and think, well, you know, she's done a lot in

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Speaker 1: a positive way, and her name's been completely and utterly

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Speaker 1: dragged through the march as a result.

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Speaker 2: Or tax pays money is going to be paid to her,

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Speaker 2: just like the police commissioner, purely the result of the

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Speaker 2: bungle by the non Turkey government.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing or should she actually, you know,

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Speaker 1: should she go back into the role And you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether that is even an option now,

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Speaker 1: but when you actually go back and look at the

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Speaker 1: work history of what she did as the Children's Commissioner, Matt,

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Speaker 1: I think you've written about it before. You know, the

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Speaker 1: number of investigations that she completed, the number of different

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Speaker 1: things that she had done in that role really stands

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Speaker 1: to show you that she was doing a very good job.

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Speaker 5: Well, and I mean this goes back to the questions

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Speaker 5: that now surround this case. Did that have anything to

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Speaker 5: do with the way that she was treated? She had

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Speaker 5: produced damning investigations that had been critical of the government,

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Speaker 5: that had been critical of the police.

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Speaker 4: You know, her reporting to.

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Speaker 5: The rape of the two year old girl in TenneT

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Speaker 5: Creek is absolutely devastating and it's gathing of the government

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Speaker 5: and government agencies, you know. And not long after she

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Speaker 5: delivers that report, she finds herself under investigation, high level

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Speaker 5: police investigation over what essentially amounts to a HR matter.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, files to come clean and not just

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Speaker 2: give those standard answers. They've got access to all the records,

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Speaker 2: they know what's going on. Ginis to come through and

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Speaker 2: tell territories exactly what involvement was and come clean.

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Speaker 1: Well, and see, we're not going to get that answer

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Speaker 1: from Paul Kirby this morning. So let's move along because

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Speaker 1: there's a few things that our listeners have been really

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Speaker 1: very concerned about this week, and one of those is

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Speaker 1: we spoke to the driver of one of the Blue

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Speaker 1: Taxi mini buses who throughout the week had a knife

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Speaker 1: thrown at his vehicle. I'm not sure if you've seen

650
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Speaker 1: the photos that have come through in the aftermath.

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Speaker 6: But we spoke to him yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I think it was so the day before on the show,

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Speaker 1: and he'd spoke about his absolute fear the fact that

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Speaker 1: he was driving that minibus and had a knife thrown

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Speaker 1: shattering the window. He said that it's not the only

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Speaker 1: time that something like that has happened. It was a

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Speaker 1: pretty horrifying situation. But then on top of that, that

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Speaker 1: same day we also interviewed Kylie, a lady who lives

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Speaker 1: in Karama, and she talked to us about some of

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Speaker 1: the really serious concerns that she's got in the suburb

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Speaker 1: of Karama, in you know housing, you know, like in

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Speaker 1: a unit complex there across the road from the shopping

663
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Speaker 1: center in Karama, and and you know, she'd said that

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Speaker 1: at different times there's been gangs of youths in the

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Speaker 1: car park. She's on a walking you know, she's on

666
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Speaker 1: a walking frame. She said she she feels incredibly frightened

667
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Speaker 1: to go across the road to get to the shops

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Speaker 1: to go and do her daily business, and that you know,

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Speaker 1: even for senior people that live in the same.

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Speaker 6: Area, they're feeling really worried as well.

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Speaker 1: Brian O'Gallagher, the local counselor, had spoken to us on

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 6: He came up with a bit of.

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Speaker 1: A four point plan actually where he had called for

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Speaker 1: temporary police presence, so to have temporary or you know,

676
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Speaker 1: whether it was permanent small police presence, or whether there

677
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Speaker 1: could be a small amount of temporary police presence there

678
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Speaker 1: to try and really.

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Speaker 6: To take some action for what is going on in

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Speaker 6: that suburb.

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Speaker 2: It shows back to you know, issues on crime. You

682
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Speaker 2: know the opposition Bang I met this all the time.

683
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Speaker 2: We say that the Labor government have putting out this

684
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Speaker 2: message up there soft in crime, taking away the consequences

685
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: like the two K staff and drinking. It's really time

686
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Speaker 2: that territories are sick of it. Something needs to happen

687
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Speaker 2: and the Labor government, you know, there's been protests on

688
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Speaker 2: the Parliament House.

689
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Speaker 3: I've been there.

690
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Speaker 2: Leah our leader, she did a roadside in Crama about

691
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Speaker 2: six weeks ago and spoke to his residents.

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Speaker 3: She was saying that kids are.

693
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Speaker 2: Coming home from work, they ring up their mums and dads,

694
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Speaker 2: they say is it safe to come up the street?

695
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Speaker 2: So you know, and that's from people firsthand living in

696
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Speaker 2: the area. So it just really goes to show that

697
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Speaker 2: the territorians are just seeking tired of the crime and

698
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Speaker 2: it's time for the labor government to stump up and

699
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Speaker 2: do something about it. We can talk all we want

700
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Speaker 2: about it, I love government's been in power for six

701
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: years and saying oh, it's generational and that sort of stuff,

702
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Speaker 2: but you look at the status of the figures, they're

703
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: not going down or saying the same, actually getting worse.

704
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Speaker 2: So whatever's happening is not working because the crime.

705
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Speaker 3: Look at the evidence.

706
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Speaker 2: The crime figures are going up and people are getting stabbed.

707
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Speaker 2: We've had unfortunate deaths about it.

708
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Speaker 3: It's just out of control.

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Speaker 8: We have had some atrocious incidents and nobody from our

710
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 8: government is denying that. But what we will continue to

711
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Speaker 8: do is that hard work with police and will continue

712
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Speaker 8: to explain to people we have put one hundred and

713
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Speaker 8: twenty million dollars extra in police, not just police security

714
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Speaker 8: services to help out with This is something that particularly

715
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Speaker 8: Nari Kit has been on the front foot with in

716
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Speaker 8: Karama for a long long time making sure that we

717
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Speaker 8: have got extra security around those shopping.

718
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Speaker 6: Center security just on the security.

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Speaker 1: One of the criticisms that we've had from from locals

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Speaker 1: and I want to point this out so that you

721
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Speaker 1: guys are aware, if you've not already been told, is

722
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Speaker 1: that they have got a situation. They tell me the

723
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Speaker 1: people living in Karama where sometimes what will happen is,

724
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Speaker 1: you know, people will be stealing something from the bottle shop,

725
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Speaker 1: or they'll be stealing something from wherever or doing the

726
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: wrong thing. You approach the security, they say, we can't

727
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Speaker 1: do anything. We actually can't pull them up.

728
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Speaker 8: Well, and I know we're working really closely with the

729
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Speaker 8: security guards. We've obviously through the course of just the

730
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Speaker 8: last few weeks, put a range of extra initiatives in place.

731
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Speaker 8: It's not just if we go back to where the

732
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Speaker 8: story started about taxi drivers here, people in public transport,

733
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Speaker 8: it is quite often an area where antisocial stuff happens.

734
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Speaker 8: So it has been something we've identified, recognized and put

735
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Speaker 8: some extra measures in place to try and make sure

736
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Speaker 8: that people are safer when they're traveling on public transport.

737
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Speaker 8: So there is a range of things that's been done.

738
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Speaker 8: There's a range of stuff that will continue to be

739
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Speaker 8: done to try and make people say return to country,

740
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Speaker 8: and a range of other menasguers like.

741
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Speaker 7: It's really widespread and it's really deep.

742
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Speaker 8: And I'm happy to talk more about it, but I

743
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Speaker 8: know we've got a range of things that will get

744
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Speaker 8: through today.

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Speaker 3: How do you say one thing?

746
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Speaker 2: Like the government keep saying they put all this one

747
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty million dollars into the police, but their

748
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: annual report last year said there's thirty five less officers.

749
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Speaker 2: So you know that's a bit of evidence from the

750
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Speaker 2: police and your reports saying it's actually less police officers.

751
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Speaker 3: So how to explain that, mister Kirby.

752
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, Jared, that we've committed to putting extra

753
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Speaker 8: police on them, will continue to train police. We know

754
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Speaker 8: that when you guys last have an opportunity, you're committed

755
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Speaker 8: to train police and then didn't do it.

756
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Speaker 2: So last year the police and your report said there's

757
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Speaker 2: thirty five less officers on the street.

758
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Speaker 3: How to explain that to territorians.

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Speaker 7: We working really hard with police.

760
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Speaker 8: We did a ranger work through their enterprise agreement to

761
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Speaker 8: make things more attractive for people to stay here and

762
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Speaker 8: get people that might not have been on the front

763
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Speaker 8: line for quite some time back into the to know this.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, there was this media event that was held yesterday

765
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Speaker 1: where the Acting Police Commissioner Michael Murphy was out with

766
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Speaker 1: Kate Warden, the Police Minister, saying that the government is

767
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Speaker 1: doing more to bolster the police force and are saying

768
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Speaker 1: that since twenty sixteen there are over two hundred and

769
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Speaker 1: thirty additional police and an additional one hundred and twenty

770
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Speaker 1: five million dollar boost to the Northern Territory Police. So

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, I get what the government's

772
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Speaker 1: saying that there is being additional money invested into boosting

773
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Speaker 1: those numbers. But I think that you know, then for

774
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Speaker 1: people like those that are living in Karama that are saying, okay,

775
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Speaker 1: well can we have at least a temporary police presence

776
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Speaker 1: there to try and curb some of those issues, I

777
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Speaker 1: guess that it's you know, those numbers and not really

778
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: going to or whether they've been bolstered or not, is

779
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: not really going to get through to territories until they

780
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Speaker 1: can actually see those police officers in the areas where

781
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Speaker 1: they feel like they need them.

782
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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: Even on the ABC this morning, they're interviewing Joe was

784
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Speaker 1: interviewing a lady who a business or a yoga I

785
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Speaker 1: believe a yoga.

786
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Speaker 6: Studio who'd been in a pretty terrible.

787
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Speaker 1: Situation where somebody was either you know, on drugs or

788
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Speaker 1: in a pretty bad state, trying to get into their studio.

789
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Speaker 6: It sounded frightening.

790
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Speaker 1: And she had said that they'd called the police and

791
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Speaker 1: had tried, you know, like the police had said, okay,

792
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Speaker 1: well look has he gone, I think, and yes he had.

793
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Speaker 6: So are you going to send somebody out? Well, no,

794
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Speaker 6: they weren't.

795
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Speaker 1: And you know, for whatever reason that is, but that

796
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Speaker 1: doesn't to me. I think that the community's expectation is

797
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: that when something really traumatizing like that happens, where somebody's

798
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: trying to get into your business, or where you're broken into,

799
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: or where you've had a really frightening situation unfold, the

800
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Speaker 1: community ex spectation is that somebody comes out to them

801
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: and sees them. Now. I know that our police are

802
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: under the pump. I know they do a bloody hard job.

803
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: But the expectation is when something like that goes on,

804
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: that you're going to interact then with the police officer.

805
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, And I think there was a stat

806
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 5: that the acting Commissioner gave us a few weeks ago

807
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 5: during a press commerce that I think tells a bit

808
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 5: of this story, because we're talking about basically maintaining the

809
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 5: number of police at a status quo level, trying to

810
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Speaker 5: try to account for those people who leave and then

811
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Speaker 5: replacing them and perhaps increasing numbers slightly. But Michael Murphy

812
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Speaker 5: at this press Conrace said that a decade ago they

813
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 5: were responding to ten thousand jobs a month and now

814
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Speaker 5: they're responding to thirty thousand, which would presumably mean we

815
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Speaker 5: need three times as many police as we had ten

816
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 5: years ago if we're going to have the same level

817
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 5: of response. I mean, sadly, we've seen a huge increase

818
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 5: in the number of issues that are being ported to police,

819
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Speaker 5: and as a consequence, because we don't have the you know,

820
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 5: the same level or the increased level of police, were

821
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Speaker 5: unable to deal with that.

822
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Speaker 4: And that's why you get.

823
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Speaker 2: Situationd with it in the ECLP, you know, with Arthur

824
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 2: inquiries into police resourcing, their survey last year says I

825
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: think it was ninety seven percent feel unsupported the same

826
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Speaker 2: about saying there's not enough resources. It just goes to

827
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Speaker 2: show that, you know, the police do a great job.

828
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: But it goes back to the message that the labour

829
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: say soft on crime, do what you want to do.

830
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Speaker 7: More criminals can go away.

831
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 3: With it.

832
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Speaker 8: Catchphrases aren't going to get us through this, Jared, and

833
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 8: I think people understand we are doing that hard work.

834
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Speaker 7: We did that. Yes, there was a police there was.

835
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Speaker 8: A survey went out last year as a part of

836
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Speaker 8: the Enterprise agreement negotiations. You know how much that enterprise

837
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 8: agreement got voted up by police by eighty five percent? Okay,

838
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 8: So we did a lot of hard work with police

839
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 8: and really respectful with the Police Association to delvin and

840
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 8: target at what some of the problems are about people

841
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 8: being off or stood down or on sickly for long

842
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 8: periods of time and assisting and wrapping around those police

843
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 8: officers to get them the support they need to.

844
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Speaker 7: Get back to work.

845
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Speaker 8: So that agreement got voted up by eighty five percent.

846
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 8: That gives you some indication there is a level of

847
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 8: confidence that we're working really closely through with our police

848
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 8: and with our Police association.

849
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Speaker 4: And is it right because there's been a bit of

850
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 4: confusion about that.

851
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 5: Part of what was put to police as part of

852
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Speaker 5: that agreement was that there would be an inquiry into

853
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 5: police resourcing.

854
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely right, So what's happening with that?

855
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's working its way through there's a range of

856
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 8: initiatives that we need to get in place, and that

857
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 8: broad based inquiry into how many police we genuinely need

858
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 8: through the Northern territory.

859
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Speaker 6: We all do it.

860
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Speaker 8: We're doing the same with corrections offices like it's a

861
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 8: pretty standard piece.

862
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Speaker 4: So is it started that inquiry?

863
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: Has that started?

864
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Speaker 8: The pre words start the work that the information that

865
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Speaker 8: we need to gather to legitimately work through and debate

866
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 8: those issues has started, right.

867
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Speaker 4: And when do you reckon? We'll have that. When you reckon,

868
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Speaker 4: we'll be wrapped up. And will it be made public

869
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Speaker 4: when it's finished?

870
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Speaker 8: Happy to make it public as much of that information

871
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 8: as we can. I can't tell you an absolute finish date,

872
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 8: but I think I know where your questions are heading to.

873
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 8: When it was first announced, somebody announced that it was

874
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Speaker 8: going to happen after the election.

875
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Speaker 7: It was nothing about I.

876
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 6: Think I got my hands on yeah, yeah, yeah.

877
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 8: But there was never there was never any intent or

878
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 8: assertions from us that it couldn't happen until after the

879
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 8: next election.

880
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Speaker 6: So it's definitely going to happen before the next election.

881
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Speaker 7: That the work will start. Absolutely, we can.

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Speaker 6: Finished before.

883
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 7: You can get it done. Come on, we did one

884
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 7: when I was at Power and Water.

885
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 8: That was a really intense look at the maintenance of

886
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 8: every piece of equipment and that took years for us.

887
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 6: That's a bit different. That's a bit different.

888
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: I mean when you're talking about staffing levels and you're

889
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: talking about because we had to wait. We were told

890
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: that we had to wait for these new rostering system

891
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: to come into play yet, the electronic rostering system. So

892
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: it's I believe it's is it in place, I don't

893
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: know for years. Yeah, but you would the record, Yeah,

894
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: so you would.

895
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 6: You would hope that we're able.

896
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: To get this before the next Northern Territory election because

897
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: it is a point of contention. It is something that

898
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: people are concerned with, and I don't think that it's

899
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: just something that people within the police force are concerned with.

900
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: It has become an issue that the broader community is

901
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 1: concerned with, because then when you have a situation where

902
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: somebody calls the Northern Territory Police and they're keen for

903
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: them to come out after something's happened, and they're told

904
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: that unfortunately, you know, they're not available, they're at a

905
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: you know, we understand that they're triaging, they're at another job.

906
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: That's when the wider public starts to go, well, hang

907
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: on a second, have we got enough Northern Territory Police?

908
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: And that's where we all end up having a laugh

909
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: and thinking that Lydia Thorpes lost the plot when she's

910
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: saying that money shouldn't be invested into police, when for

911
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,280
Speaker 1: us here on the ground, we're going, hang on a second.

912
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: We just want the Northern Territory Police to be able

913
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: to get out when required, and we want them to

914
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: feel as though there's enough of them to be able

915
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: to do what the community expects.

916
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely so, Toway. And that's why we'll continue to

917
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 7: work closely with police.

918
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 8: And you're alluded to this person that in one of

919
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 8: those initial examples about you know, being on drugs or

920
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 8: something like that, and unfortunately society has changed and some

921
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 8: of the drugs that people use now do some really

922
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 8: nasty things to their brains and they do react and

923
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 8: behave really really poor.

924
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 6: Which is even more to the point.

925
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: Then if it is a situation like that and then

926
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: nobody goes out to you know, if like to that's

927
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: to that incident where it's really pretty scary for the

928
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: person that's the victim.

929
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,479
Speaker 2: And wouldn't you know, all the reason we're talking about

930
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: now make it more important to get this survey done, dusted,

931
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: find out results out, then go and fix the police

932
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: force and give them the resources they need and given

933
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: them the police officers they need, because it all comes

934
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: back to the safety of territorians, and right now territorians

935
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 2: are screaming out saying I don't feel safe. What's going on.

936
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 2: It's not the same territory that it used to be.

937
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 2: I'm hearing out a lot.

938
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 4: He's doing the inquiry.

939
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 7: Now, that's a good question.

940
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 8: I'll have to go back and have a look at

941
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 8: whether there was big Sometimes when you set those inquiries up, sometimes,

942
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 8: like with the corrections, it'll be agreement between the unions

943
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 8: and the management about who's taking part in that. Sometimes

944
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 8: is an independent expert, As I mentioned the one that

945
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 8: we did with Power and Watar to have some complete independence,

946
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 8: there was an electrical engineering expert came in from into state.

947
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 7: To assist with that.

948
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 8: I'd have to double check on what level of independence

949
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 8: we agree to with that one.

950
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: Those discussions had with the union and police it about

951
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: who's going to do it that does that happen.

952
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 8: Absolutely, That's why the agreement was signed by and agreed

953
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 8: to you by eighty five.

954
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 7: Percent of the police officer.

955
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: The independent inquiry you're sorting it started, But have you

956
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: had those discussions who are going to run the inquiry?

957
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 8: I'm saying that the information that we need to get

958
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 8: to gather to contribute towards all of those discussions, all

959
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 8: that body of work's happened, and i'll certainly o'll double

960
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 8: check on that exactly who's sitting on the inquiry.

961
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: We will take a really short break. You are listening

962
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: to Mix one O four nine's three sixty. It is

963
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: the week that was. It is nearly time to wrap

964
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,479
Speaker 1: up before we do. Though, plenty happening around the Northern

965
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: Territory this weekend, and in some good news, a permit

966
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: is going to be issued for the car section of

967
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: the Think Desert Race. It is subject to the introduction

968
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 1: of a suite of new safety measures. But it's scheduled

969
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: to take place during the King's Birthday long weekend. That

970
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: sounds a bit funny saying that, doesn't it, rather than

971
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: the Queen's Birthday.

972
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 7: Doesn't roll off the tongue just yet.

973
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: No, no, not yet, but that's on that weekend of

974
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: June nine to.

975
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 6: Twelve, So that is good news.

976
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: But there's lots on this weekend, the footy and plenty

977
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: of other events, the Fred's Partialal Show.

978
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 7: How many soirees on as well.

979
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 8: We've got a new little Pixar put put down at

980
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 8: the waterfront kids down there.

981
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 7: That's very, very fun.

982
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: Just a quick shout out to the Fred's past show. Remember,

983
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 2: and I's in the rulery but anyone from the city

984
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: can come from parmaat Rural Show and the Key is

985
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: going to have a chickens there and all that sort.

986
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: Of stuff of the baby goats and I'm going to

987
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: be taking four kids out there tomorrow morning at nine.

988
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 6: O'clock to see the baby guys.

989
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 8: Yitful things the rural shows, the wood chopping, that's always

990
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 8: a big event. Yeah, but now the footy is on.

991
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 8: Good luck to all the territory leads that are playing

992
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 8: in the footy. We know they love coming home and

993
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 8: showing off in front of their home crowd. So hopefully

994
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 8: that's a cracking game on the weekend. Think will be great.

995
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 8: Is so important for the Central Australia and a range

996
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 8: of other things over the next couple of weeks as well.

997
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: We are going to catch up with Daniel Rochford from

998
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: Tourism Central Australia after ten o'clock as well and just

999
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 1: have a chat to him about some of those great

1000
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: events and what it means to the territory and certainly

1001
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: Central Australia given the fact that the think is still

1002
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: going ahead. So gentlemen, thank you all so very much

1003
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: for your time this morning. Jered Malee from the COLP, thank.

1004
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: You, thank you, thank you.

1005
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you. Thanks WILLV and

1006
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: Paul Kirby from the ALP. Minister for various portfolios, thank you.

1007
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 8: The fun ones that major events at the moment as

1008
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 8: basing the grass last weekend.

1009
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 7: I'll show you some photos. It's a cracking weekend and

1010
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 7: we'll do it again next year.

1011
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: Well Gin know what I thought. Goodness me, I'm gonna

1012
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: have to start taking my kids soon enough.

1013
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 7: The first time, the last one we took Laila Dam.

1014
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 8: We took Laila Dam for the first couple of hours

1015
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 8: and then took her home.

1016
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: And went back.

1017
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 6: On that night.

1018
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: We'll wrap up.

1019
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 6: Good on you all. Thanks so much for your time

1020
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 6: this morning.