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Speaker 1: You're listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty now.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday on the show, we spoke about the fact that

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Speaker 1: there'd been another two incidents of police assaults in Alice

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Speaker 1: Springs over the weekend. Assaults on frontline workers will be

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Speaker 1: a focus in Parliament today now, as you've heard, the

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Speaker 1: colp will introduce the Sentencing Amendment Bill for twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: which includes minimum mandatory sentences for first time offenders who

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Speaker 1: attack workers including police, paramedics, nurses, doctors, teachers, corrections officers,

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Speaker 1: retail and hospitality workers, as well as bus and taxi drivers.

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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line is the Police Association

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Speaker 1: President Paul McHugh. Good morning to you, Paul.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Now, Paul, firstly, more assaults on the weekend, we know

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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs. Can you tell me how many officers

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Speaker 1: have actually been assaulted in recent days or weeks within

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Speaker 1: the Territory Police Force. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, it's sadly happening just about every day, Katie. We

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Speaker 2: know we've I've seen some terrible footage out there at

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Speaker 2: and we've done our own research and you know from

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Speaker 2: a period of around thirty seven days from the first

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Speaker 2: of April this year. Thirty seven police assaulted in thirty

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Speaker 2: seven days. I mean it's every single day at the moment,

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Speaker 2: and we've got a large cohort of those assaults being

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Speaker 2: undertaken by youth and they are in fact targeting some

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Speaker 2: around this for not just out for half police, but

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Speaker 2: all frontline workers. Well, and I know.

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Speaker 1: That you are calling on the new Chief Minister, Natasha

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Speaker 1: she sits when it comes to supporting protection for frontline workers.

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Speaker 1: You want her to back this legislation which is being

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Speaker 1: introduced by the COLP. Why do you feel as though

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Speaker 1: it's necessary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, you know many of these assaults that are

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Speaker 2: taking place being undertaken by repeat offenders, and some of

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Speaker 2: those offenders have previously been up before the courts on

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Speaker 2: assault charges against police and being effectively released instantaneously, they

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Speaker 2: go out and days later are committing further assaults on

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Speaker 2: our members. So it's quite clear the message isn't getting through.

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Speaker 2: I'm not holding much hope. I've got to say that

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Speaker 2: this will be supported given some of the comments in

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Speaker 2: recently calling it window dressing. But if that is the case,

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Speaker 2: and if it's not supported, you know, the members of

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Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point because you know,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if they're not going

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Speaker 1: to support the celp's legislation, that's fine, but they've got

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Speaker 2: Well, in August of last year, Katie, they committed in

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Speaker 2: They undertook a review and a manity sentence mandatory sentencing generally.

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Speaker 2: But they committed, through the police and through the Commissioner

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Speaker 2: And since that time, we've had one meeting in September

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Speaker 2: every day we're seeing some really violent attacks on our

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Speaker 2: this a priority. If you're not going to support the

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Speaker 2: seal Pee legislation, then I urge the new Chief Minister

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Speaker 1: Well, when you talk about those thirty seven assaults over

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, they've sadly a whole range of attacks on

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Speaker 2: It's happening out there every single day. They're being targeted

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Speaker 2: and right now many of our officers don't feel that way.

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Speaker 1: Now over the weekend, and you did touch on this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's a pretty volatile situation out there, and

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Speaker 2: and violence. But right now, all we're seeing is violence,

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Speaker 2: and it's really sad. Paul.

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Speaker 1: What kind of penalties do you think that people should

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's obviously right now. The Sentencing Act has

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Speaker 2: provisions for people where they've committed multiple assaults or first

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Speaker 2: to second offenses. What we want to see is if

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Speaker 2: if you're going to punch them, kick them, spit at them. Remember,

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Speaker 2: not all injuries are physical. Some are mental, and they

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Speaker 1: One thing that we are all anticipating this week is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, obviously, you know, when Labor came in the government,

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Speaker 2: and we've worked very closely with the Minister since then

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Speaker 2: if that's the case. Regardless of who takes that portfolio, Katie,

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Speaker 2: there are some big issues facing police and we will

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Speaker 2: there's a new Minister for Police with that particular individual

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Speaker 2: to highlight those concerns. From our perspective, do you.

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Speaker 1: Think, given the importance and the prominence of that portfolio,

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Speaker 1: that it does need to fall with the new chief Minister.

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Speaker 2: We've always made that the case. We've our positions always

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Speaker 2: It gives it the sense of importance, It needs crime

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Speaker 2: you know it should sit with the Chief Minister. But

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Speaker 2: of course that's not the decision we make. And as

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Speaker 2: I said, if it remains with the current Minister, then

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Speaker 2: we will continue to work with her on the many

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Speaker 2: issues you know are out there right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, it does seem as though at the moment though

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of issues for our Northern Territory police.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you and I have just talked through all

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Speaker 1: we spoke last week about those attrition rates getting up

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Speaker 1: the concerns around mental health within the Northern Territory Police Force.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if we are now six years in and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I guess that's a million dollar question. I mean,

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Speaker 2: right now, our police are feeling very vulnerable. They are

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Speaker 2: and they're working enormous amount of overtime, some ridiculous amounts

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Speaker 2: are there so many people having that time off. And

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Speaker 2: they're very important issues that we'll be raising with the minister.

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Speaker 1: Last week we did have on the show former Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory Police officer Paul Milne. He is essentially calling for

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Speaker 1: an overhaul of mental health services following the very tragic

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Speaker 1: situations that we've seen within the Northern Territory Police Force

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Speaker 1: in recent months. Paul, again, I know you and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, our position has been very clear on this

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Speaker 2: for many years, Katie. We have called on the government

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Speaker 2: to undertake this independent review into support and well being

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Speaker 2: a chaplain in our springs, our well being and health

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Speaker 2: obviously we're waiting on the review recommendations to formally be

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Speaker 2: say in terms of what we would like to see

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Speaker 1: Paul Overnight, we know that that legislation changed, which will

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Speaker 2: Well, it's really disappointing that this was pushed through against

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of concerned organizations and representative bodies that

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Speaker 2: really just wanted to sit down with government and find

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Speaker 2: out what they've undertaken. Following the Riley Review in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: where there was a whole lot of recommendations around this

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Speaker 2: particular issue, including consult consultation, and we're now going to

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Speaker 2: see many of the town camps in our springs, for example,

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Speaker 2: freely allow alcohol through those communities. This is about saving

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Speaker 2: lives and of course when we allow alcohol freely in

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Speaker 2: our community as we have many many years ago, the

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Speaker 2: impact on policing is significant. We're talking about our police

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Speaker 2: being under attack. Now. We've got many concerned remote officers

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Speaker 2: who have flagged this with me for many many weeks.

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Speaker 2: They are very concerned, particularly in some of our remote communities.

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Speaker 2: Now the springs of what this is going to mean

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Speaker 2: at the raw end of that.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that we're going to see sort of immediate,

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Speaker 1: you know, changes immediately once that legislation passes and once

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Speaker 1: we get to that date, or do you think that

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Speaker 1: it's something that's going to sort of happen progressively.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it will take long. I mean, it

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Speaker 2: won't take long for people to realize that, you know,

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Speaker 2: those laws have changed, you know, alcohol will be allowed

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Speaker 2: in many of those communities. And as I've said, this

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Speaker 2: is something that will be detrimental to all the work

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Speaker 2: that's supposedly been undertaken in terms of reducing our correlated harm.

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Speaker 2: This will very much go against the grain of that,

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Speaker 2: and the impact on policing will be significant, I've no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Well, Police Association Sident Paul McHugh, we always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for speaking with me this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Kertie.

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