WEBVTT - STAN AUSTRALIA LANDS STRONG WITH EDEN 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.159 Welcome back to TV Reload. My name is Benjamin Norris, 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.800 and on this podcast, I'll be going behind the scenes 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:08.760 with the biggest players in television. I want to quickly 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.680 thank all the TV enthusiasts who have come back weekly 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.920 to check out the podcast. I'm really getting spoiled for 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:18.639 choice right across the streaming platforms and freeedoware networks. There's 0:00:18.680 --> 0:00:20.960 so many shows to explore, and I want to thank 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.280 everyone for their weekly suggestions. I appreciate it, and hopefully 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:26.280 I'll get a chance to talk about every show that's 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:29.920 ever been made. I also like to suggest other people's 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.479 podcasts as a way to kick off my own. I 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:34.839 listen to so many different podcasts during the week, and 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.080 I love them all too much. Tully is working overdrive 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.920 at the moment with Tully smythe dissecting the latest series 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.840 of Big Brother and chatting with all the evicted housemates. 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:46.600 I think she's doing a great job, and it's a 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:48.919 great opportunity for new and old people to check out 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.879 the world through Tully's eyes like only Tully can tell it. 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.160 This week, I've watched a lot of shows, and while 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.880 I'm still hooked on celebrity Apprentice and so many other 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.639 staple freeowear programs. I've fallen in love with the original 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:05.360 series Eden, which has debuted on STAN this weekend. It's 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:08.760 another show produced by STAN and Everycloud Productions, and it 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.760 will be the feature interview on today's episode. We will 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:13.720 get into Eden and what the whole show's about. But 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:15.840 as a teams it is a bit of a who 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.039 Done It with a modern twist, and I don't want 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.679 to give too much more away than that. I'm really 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.200 excited for you to check out the series, and I 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:24.920 hope all of you can let me know what you 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.000 think around the episode four part, because I think you'll 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:29.240 be on the edge of your seat and you're going 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.800 to need someone to talk to. Today's guest is Vanessa Gazig's 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.520 series creator, executive producer and writer of the new series Eden. 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:39.960 Vanessa might have started with some humble beginnings in Canberra, 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:42.800 but dreaming of writing and storytelling has led her to 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.000 the frontline as one of Australia's brightest and smartest players 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:49.080 in television, with a journalistic mind at times and a 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:52.120 thirst for the human condition. We get to discuss women 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.440 in the industry and her upcoming work but we also 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:59.360 will dissect the new series Eden. I'm so inspired by Vanessa, 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:01.840 and I'm sure you will be too. She's bright and 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.160 pathetic and is bringing you original content that will expand 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.600 the way in which you watch television and cinema. So 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.000 let's get into the chat. I'd like to welcome you 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.080 and Vanessa Gazi to the podcast. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:15.639 I was writing little stories from a very young age 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.280 because I think I was inspired by the books that 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:17.919 I was reading. 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:20.959 Every single thing in life is about love. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:26.080 Which basically this film world and the TV world have merged. 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:29.200 Every place and everyone has their secrets. 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.080 I feel like Eden has a very natural home. Instance. 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.080 Eden is finally here and you can watch every single 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:39.000 episode now only on step. We have amazing actors here, 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.320 and we have amazing directors and writers. 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.280 Do you people think you can do anything you want 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:43.560 with me? 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:46.880 Your relationship isn't open, It's fucked. 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.120 I'm always very interested in chance and sliding doors. 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.200 Moment mate, how are you good day? 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:54.079 How are you? Do you know? 0:02:54.160 --> 0:02:56.600 What's really funny is that my partner hates it. Is 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:59.400 that I've basically said the whole way through the podcast, 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.280 whether it's a guy or a girl, I say get 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.680 a Mate. It's interesting because some people are like, oh 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.440 I love that, Like it's a good way to signature 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.119 yourself as being Australian on this podcast because people listen 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.160 to it internationally. Our partners like, you can't say mate 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:12.799 to women. 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:13.919 No, I like it. 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:16.000 I actually like being called mate, and I also like 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.480 gooda but I always forget about it. So when people 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.160 stay it to me, I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:21.600 good day. 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.360 Scripto drama for me is actually my favorite television programming. 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:27.800 And I wanted to ask you how did you get started? 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:28.920 Like what got you hooked? 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.320 Oh well, it's actually quite a good story. 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.120 There was a Screen Australia I think I was back 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:39.240 in twenty seventeen, maybe twenty sixteen. Twenty seventeen, Queen Australia 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:43.320 ran that initiative called Gender Matters, which wanted to address 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:47.080 the imbalance in the industry between male voices and female 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:49.560 voices and to try and get more women into the 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.680 industry in roles like writing and directing and you know, 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:54.440 just get those voices heard. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.680 Screen Australia launch Gender Matters, an ambitious five point plan 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:03.160 to sure that their production funding is targeted to creative 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:07.480 teams that are at least fifty to fifty, so I was. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:08.200 Sort of part of that. 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.920 There was this initiative called Smart for a Girl, which 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.160 was run by Image and Banks and alis Bell with 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:17.440 Endemol Shine, and my project was selected for that show 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.359 called ID, which is pretty far along now in the process. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.440 So this was kind of the amazing origin story of that. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.039 From there, they put a professional writer's room around that 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.960 I got the experience of working in that environment, and 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.120 then I got some funding to actually write the pilot, 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.600 which was it just felt like a million dollars back then. 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.880 It was like someone's going to pay me to write. 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.720 That's incredible, And then got pitched to Netflix and went 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.080 into development with Netflix. So it was just kind of 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.000 this fairy tale run with that show. And it was 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.479 actually also the pilot that I'd written for that show 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.440 that got me the job on Eden because the producers 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:52.600 read part of that pilot and decided. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.560 They wanted to work with me. So that it was 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:55.120 a really. 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.359 Nice way in We're very lucky in this country to 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.640 have the kind of support that we get from Screen Australia. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:02.640 Absolutely, you know, I want to go back to some 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.280 of the origin stories as well, because along the way 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.839 you credited your mum for your passionate storytelling. Is you 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:11.040 know she read to you from a really early age, 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.599 with authors such as Enid Blyton. How important do you 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.600 think it is to read to children and you know, 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.479 how do you think that helps stimulate the creative brain. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:23.200 I think it's fundamental, and I think it's It might 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.159 sound really old fashioned to me, and it maybe shows 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:26.200 that I'm actually. 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:27.000 Not that young anymore. 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:31.080 But you know, I credit reading with how I evolved 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.200 as a writer, because I think from a very young 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.160 age I was reading, I was devouring books, and you 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:38.000 just say, that's the time when your brain's actually good. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:41.680 Like now, I can't retain information. I forget everything. I 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:44.400 cannot learn really in any way the same way as 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.160 I used to be able to learn. But back then 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.320 you're this amazing sponge and that's when it all kind 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.839 of goes in. And so I really think that's where 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.200 it developed from. And I used to read a lot, 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.560 and then I used to write stories in primary school 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.919 about things that you know, a little kid cares about, 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:01.920 like a girl with her or you know, a girl 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.480 whose parents have an accident. I mean, that is pretty 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.440 hardcore actually, But you know, I was writing little stories 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:09.120 from a very young age because I think I was 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.200 inspired by the books that I was reading. But I 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:14.560 think the same can apply to watching great TV and film. 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:16.920 But I do think there's something special about the way 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.680 you learn through reading, in the way stories go. In 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:22.680 that way, I think you have to do a little 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:24.880 bit more work in your imagination when you're reading books. 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.680 I think obviously, when you watch, it's kind of already 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.000 visualized for you, whereas when you're reading, you have your 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:35.160 imagination builds the rest of the piece. It's like you 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.960 read the author's words and then something beautiful happens in 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.000 your brain, which is that their words come together with 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:40.800 your imagination. 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.920 And it means that every single person's version of like 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.320 that book, I guess, is actually different if you think 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:46.760 about it. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:48.960 Yeah, I always think that as well. You know, we 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.719 always have our own interpretations of everything. I remember reading 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.479 a book The Beach while I was in Bali once 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.479 and I had such a really different take on that 0:06:57.520 --> 0:06:59.400 book to a friend of mine who just read it 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:02.960 every night after work. And so it's such a personalized experience, 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.919 but it's such a formulative approach to getting people to 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:09.479 use their own imagination, which I think is really important. 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:12.280 Can you remember the first story that you wrote that 0:07:12.360 --> 0:07:14.800 kind of set you apart from the other kids, that 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:16.680 made you realize that you had a bit of a 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:17.800 superpower with writing. 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.200 Yeah. Actually, one of my old friends from primary school 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:22.920 wrote to me just the other day because she'd seen 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.800 all the Eden posters around and she was like, I 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:26.920 was just talking to our other friend from school like 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:28.480 high school days, and I hadn't. 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:29.960 Spoken to his friend in like a very long time. 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:31.440 But she kind of popped up and was like, we 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:33.880 were remembering the story that you wrote in your age, 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:35.520 the novel that you wrote in near eighte. 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:36.440 So we all had this fantasy. 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.040 We all hated to get out of Canberra and moved 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.160 to Sydney, and we all had this kind of collective 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:42.520 fantasy that they were all going to just live in Sydney. 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:44.360 I wanted to live in a sharehouse with my best 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.880 friends and we'd all have you know, partners, and it 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.160 would be like fun and sexy, and so I. 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:52.040 Wrote I wrote the story about that, and. 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:54.360 I put us all in as characters and made up 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:58.280 fictional boyfriends for us, and every you know, I'd write 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.880 a chapter overnight and then to my friends and ang 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.080 read the chapter at school and yeah. 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.880 How did it turn out? Is everyone now living any 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:09.400 kind of similarities to this parallel universe that you created 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:10.960 in your eight Yeah? 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:12.400 Weirdly, I was a writer. 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:14.720 Yep, I was a writer, and I lived in Sydney 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.480 and I still I'm a writer that lived in Sydney. 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.320 And my friend Bethany was living in la We all 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:21.720 ended up sort of doing versions of this as well. 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.160 It kind of became a bit of a thing where 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.400 we'd all write our own little novels about our futures. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.440 I don't know if that's really weird, but. 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.119 That no, I think it's good. It's like a vision 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.880 board for children, you know. Look, I think that's important 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:33.880 to be able to do that, and I think it's 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:36.840 hilarious that now, as an adult, we can reflect back 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.480 on that with you today and ask you, you know, 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.800 what's the similarities there? Because there are some great similarities 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:46.600 that you have achieved something amazing. I'm sure if we 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:48.600 would go back and talk to yourself in your eight 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:51.360 and say what it is that you're doing today? You know, 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.040 you have a show launching on stand like it's just 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:55.440 it's quite impressive. 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.720 Heh, that is amazing, And I don't think I could have. 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.680 I don't think my vision of myself was anyway that ambitious. Actually, 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:02.959 I think it was just like all I want to 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:05.360 do was like live in a terrorist house. I don't 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.200 even think I knew what a screenwriter really did or 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.040 was back then, and it wasn't something I really kind 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:12.440 of thought about until much later. 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.160 Well, you know, when it comes to your work and 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.959 when you think about your writing and conceptualizing the story, 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:21.720 you know, is there a signature theme that you feel 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.720 you bring, like, is there something that you think that's 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:25.360 my niche? 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.880 Yeah, I like to deal in the kind of this 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.520 probably sounds slightly generic, but I'm really interested in kind 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:36.760 of facades and the interior life versus the external presentation 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.960 of self, and kind of the dissonance that happens, you know. 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:42.200 If those two things are at odds. 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.920 And I guess kind of the psychology about and the 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.800 psychology of lying and secrets. And I think across all 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.600 of my a lot of the work I'm doing, that's 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:52.120 a big theme. 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:53.760 I think identity is a big theme. 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.959 I think like sexual power dynamics and female sexuality and 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:01.160 sexuality in general are definitely themes that keep coming through 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:01.760 in my work. 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:04.000 And yeah, also I'm. 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.600 Always very interested in chance and sliding doors moments and 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:08.199 things like that. 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.960 I always say to people, flawed people, And I like 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:15.080 flawed people, you know, especially in my reading and my 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.200 watching of television and cinema and theater and all of 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:19.840 that kind of stuff. You know, the more flawed the 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:22.520 characters are, the more they lift to me. And it's like, 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:24.560 you know, they just seem more interesting. 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.240 Oh, completely, And I think I mean, to me, it's 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:28.400 just everyone's flawed. 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.240 There is no such thing as a perfect person. 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.440 So every character you write, I mean, if you're writing 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.360 them without flaws, then they're not real people. I think 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:40.120 you're totally right, and I think I agree. That's the 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:42.440 most exciting access point, and I think we're seeing that 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:46.080 more and more in modern television. It's not about these 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:50.720 perfect heroes. It's about sort of these flawed, damaged people 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.080 that aren't necessarily even don't even necessarily. 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:56.800 Behave that well. They're complex, just like all humans are. 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.000 It's a great segue into talking about Eden, which is 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.720 as an original series and launching on stand this weekend. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.920 So I hope people get a chance to check it out. 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:05.160 Now. 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:06.480 It is a bit of a mystery set in a 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.880 coastal town, which you know could be seen as something 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.839 of a similar idea, but with this series there's this 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.440 unbelievable character study which lands and it digs deeper the 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.160 further you know, you go into the series. I felt, like, 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.679 you know, episode one, it felt like a wider, more 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.839 elusive story and more questions were kind of asked than 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:27.880 really answered. But then by the time you get to 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.839 episode four, it had me thinking about mayor of East 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.520 Town and it had me so hooked that and it's 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:37.440 so happy about the idea that I realized as Australians, 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:39.680 we can do this, and that we can tell just 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.600 as good as stories as anyone anyone in the world. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.800 For you, how do you explain Eden? 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.400 Well, you know, I think fundamentally, Eden's a story of 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:53.200 a portrait of a town and it's I guess, you know, 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.880 going along with that theme of facades. 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.240 I think Eden the town can be seen as one. 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:04.480 Big, beautiful, glossy, gorgeous facade over this town, you know, 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:08.199 and underneath this surface there's you know, there are human 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.520 beings with all the normal human voibles and some very 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.240 abnormal ones as well. I think, well, not many, but 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:16.880 but some some push the limits a little bit. 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:23.319 Do you trust me? Let me take you somewhere. Well, 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.240 we don't have to pretend to be anything but us, 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.640 but every place and everyone has their secrets. 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.560 Okay, So it goes these two young kids packed all 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.280 their worldly positions into a car, drove it into the lake, 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:38.880 and then vanished and said. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:40.800 It, why are you all buying into this? 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:43.800 Things are wrong, everything's wrong. 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:48.480 I think the show does in many ways. It's a mystery, 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:52.840 and it plays out a mystery person goes missing. But 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.040 I really hope it's kind of a very new approach 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.960 to that form. So it's like a fresh and bold 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.240 take on that familiar form. So I hope that within 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.439 that there's this really nice kind of feeling of both 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.440 strangeness and familiarity when. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:06.839 You watch it. 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.800 And I do just hope that people do really connect 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.680 to the characters and their complexity and sort of keep 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.880 watching to see how these stories interweave and overlap. Because 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.440 episode one, yes it's elusive at us, sort of questions 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.000 so much about what happens in that episode starts to 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.440 kind of take on such a deeper meaning as the 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.520 stories unfold throughout the series. 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.360 I like to consider it as screen printing, like it's 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.240 such an unusual format, you know, Whilst I did say before, 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.440 you know, some similar themes or some similar storytelling might 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:38.880 appear at the first episode, but you know, as that 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.240 screen print happens and you layer it, you know, you 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:42.960 put the color over the top of it, and the 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.720 picture starts to come together more. You know, it's a 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:49.520 real reward for the viewer to go and commit to 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:52.600 the series and then just keep getting those layers because 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:54.960 as they appear. Is that a good way to describe it. 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:56.480 No, I love that way of describing it. 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.319 I think that that is completely I couldn't have said 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:02.240 it better myself. Yeah, so the layers become it. It 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.199 just becomes richer and richer the more you watch, I think, 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.680 And that was always the idea, and I think it's 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:10.600 it was a bit of a risk telling the story 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.320 this way, because it's a slightly unusual and bold approach 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:18.200 to time and to structure. But I do think it 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.600 has paid off, and I think it's exciting work for 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.160 the audience to piece these elements together and get to 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:25.880 know these characters over time and do a little bit 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:29.080 of detective work themselves and just join the dots and 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.160 do a little bit of their own sort of mental 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.280 gymnastics to access the secrets of the story too. 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.880 I think there's some real authentic and courageous work being 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:38.360 done here. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:38.640 You know. 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.880 I always found what's interesting is sex, drugs and misbehavior. 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.200 You know, we say that we're we try to present 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.920 ourselves as being these amazing people, you know, on sex 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:49.400 and drugs, and you know, it's always sort of been 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.360 a bit taboo. Why do you think it's taken so 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.840 long to tell the truth about those parts of our lives, 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:57.680 which you've explored so well in this series. 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.880 I just think, you know, it's people are scared. You know. 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:04.320 I think we're in a really interesting and good moment 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.160 in history because I think a lot of boundaries are 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.520 being pushed and a lot of those you know, a 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:13.360 lot of people who were afraid to express who they 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:15.840 really were, and now I think feeling much more able 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.320 to just come out and say this is who I am, 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:19.000 and I'm not. 0:15:19.000 --> 0:15:19.680 Ashamed of that. 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:22.080 And look, I have a community and I have you know, 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.120 and I think the internet, much as Internet has done damage, 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:27.680 I think the Internet's also done incredible things in terms 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.600 of people finding communities, people finding the courage to express 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:33.920 who they are, and I think it's formed this collective 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.320 feeling that, yeah, we can push. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.720 Further and we don't have to be so you know, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:40.400 victorian about everything. 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.840 I think that was previous generations, but I don't think 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:45.800 the younger ones of us that are coming through, and like, 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.720 you know, I'm gen hy and you know, the younger 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.320 ones was the millennials are even more this way. I 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:55.000 think they're even more because even I look back in 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.680 high school and there was a lot of shame still 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.480 and a lot of like I went to a Catholic school, guilt, 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.200 all of that. But I think even this new generation. 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.720 My brother's young, his twelve, he is younger than me, 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:08.040 one of my brothers, and I can just see the 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:12.440 changes even you know, in high schools, and yeah, it's 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.200 really refreshing, and it's such an exciting time to be 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.960 telling stories because you know, nobody tells you not to 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.560 be bold, and nobody tells you you're too much, or 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.960 at least in this case, that didn't. 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:23.160 Happen for me. 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.160 And I'm really really grateful, and in fact, I was 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.120 encouraged to be bold, and that was my mandate. 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.760 That's what I was. That was my brief, like, be bold, 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:31.600 go for. 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.040 It, be bold. Yeah, I think that that really works. 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:36.000 I mean I think sometimes we've thought that, you know, 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.200 you don't want to glorify drug use, or you know, 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.280 you don't want to glorify some of the darker themes 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.520 that we have in our lives. But what I thought 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.800 with Eden was that there is a lot of drug use, 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.760 there is a lot of sex and sexuality and new 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.760 topics that we just haven't seen in Australian storytelling, and 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:53.640 it isn't glorifying it, do you know what I mean? 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:56.560 Like it's in that fear of being glorifying that kind 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.560 of stuff I think has been misplaced, because if you 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:03.760 can tell stories authentically, then you're not glorifying. 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.840 It, absolutely, And I just think it's about part of 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:07.119 the sort of wider thing they're talking. 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:08.200 About about just being honest. 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:11.639 This is what's going on, and sometimes it's you know, 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.520 sometimes it's fun, but sometimes it's really damaging. And in 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:18.560 Eden there is drug use and both those things apply 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:22.760 and ultimately gets it's not a moralizing show. I mean, 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.640 that was kind of something fundamental about it. I didn't 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.760 want to moralize. I just wanted to show people as 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:34.040 they are and hopefully present empathetic characters sometimes doing things 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.639 that you might not agree with, but who hopefully you 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.439 can still see their humanity and hopefully their humanity reflects 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.000 humanity as a whole. And I think that's what all 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.119 art should really be. Creatives and artists are trying to 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.639 mirror society to itself, and that's what artists have always 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.359