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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to She's on the Money, the Podcast

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Speaker 1: Millennials who Want Financial Freedom. I'd like to make space

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Speaker 1: for Auntie Manya Andrews to give an acknowledgment of country.

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Speaker 2: Lunga man Lardi, nunger Man Lardi Amba, nunger Man Lardi, Oran,

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Speaker 2: Nunga man Lardi, Umbora, Newboroh, Nunga man Lardi, Waddy Waddy

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Speaker 2: Darawa Boro. We say hello, Nunga man Lardi, and we

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Speaker 2: acknowledge all the traditional owners right across Australia. We say

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Speaker 2: Lungermen Ladi Mbora, Newborow and of course acknowledge the Wady

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Speaker 2: Waddy people of the Darawah nation where we live and work.

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Speaker 3: So Nunga man Lardi, She's on the money. She's on

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Speaker 3: the money.

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Speaker 4: Hello and welcome to She's on the Money, the Podcast

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Speaker 4: for Millennials who want Financial Freedom.

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Speaker 5: This week we are breaking the bias and we.

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Speaker 4: Are throwing out all of our regular programmed episodes to

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Speaker 4: really embrace International Women's Day, which as a team we

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Speaker 4: are now calling International Women's wik Today we are going

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Speaker 4: to be joined by Auntie Manya Andrews and Karla Rodgers,

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Speaker 4: who are the living embodiment of this year's International Women's

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Speaker 4: Day theme breaking the Bias.

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Speaker 1: We're the founders of Evolve Communities and you might have

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Speaker 1: seen Auntie Manya floating around in her Ask Auntie video

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Speaker 1: series where she works really hard to share some cultural

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Speaker 1: insights that we might not be privy to you and

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Speaker 1: to educate in the space of allyship.

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Speaker 4: Auntie Manya and Carla share a belief that absolutely everyone

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Speaker 4: has a value and that all people have wisdom to offer.

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Speaker 4: Their work is all about spotlighting the unique wisdom indigenous

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Speaker 4: culture has to offer, and we are so privileged to

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Speaker 4: have them on the show today.

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Speaker 1: We're going to chat today a little bit about your

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Speaker 1: incredible work with Evolved Communities in the space of cultural

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Speaker 1: awarenes and training, but also to learn a little bit

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Speaker 1: about you to as business women, because I think you've

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Speaker 1: really built on this incredible dynamic and serviced a real

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Speaker 1: need I think that is out there. So I'm really

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Speaker 1: really thrilled to chat to you about that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: But I guess to get started, could you tell us

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Speaker 1: how you guys met and how this all initially developed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we first met eleven years ago now ten

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Speaker 2: eleven years ago up in the Gulf Country. Of Queensland.

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Speaker 2: Karla was doing a project. I was invited on to

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Speaker 2: be part of the team and through our discussions with

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Speaker 2: one another, we realized that actually we shared a number

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Speaker 2: of common values. One was about respecting all views and

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Speaker 2: that everybody has something to contribute and also broader visionalists

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Speaker 2: to create a more inclusive kind of Australia. So we

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Speaker 6: Was funny because Auntie Manya was a We had a

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Speaker 6: last minute scratching in that project and someone said, oh

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Speaker 6: I know this amazing woman that would be great and

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Speaker 6: Auntie Manya came in and ended up being co lead

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Speaker 6: on that project. And then probably fast forward about five

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Speaker 6: years when we Auntie Manya had been working with us

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Speaker 6: quite a lot, we decided we want to achieve this

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Speaker 6: as Aneimnya said, a kind of more inclusive Australia and

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Speaker 6: how are we going to do that? And we thought, well,

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Speaker 6: it's through our ship we need. You know, we had

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Speaker 6: a big, bold vision of having ten million more allies

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Speaker 6: across Australia and then we thought well, okay, that's wonderful,

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Speaker 6: but then how are we going to do that? And

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Speaker 6: that's when Auntie Manya came into the business as as

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Speaker 6: co director and we really really sat down and scratched

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Speaker 6: our heads and it developed all the programs that we

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Speaker 6: have now, which are very much, very practical and focused

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Speaker 1: Incredible, and we're going to talk a little bit more

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Speaker 1: about those different programs that you offer a little bit

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Speaker 4: But first I would love to know a little bit

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Speaker 4: more about evolved communities. You mentioned that you came together obviously,

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Speaker 4: Carla you started it and then Anti Money you joined it.

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Speaker 4: It started in two thousand and five by you, Carla,

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Speaker 4: which was a fair while ago.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was showing how always anymore. And again there's

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Speaker 6: I was actually living in a coastal village and the

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Speaker 7: The whipper snipper start.

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Speaker 5: That is all too common.

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Speaker 6: All of a sudden, I saw these four hundred people

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Speaker 6: like popping off a perch, drop off the line as

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Speaker 6: the as the whipper snipper man cut the cut the line.

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Speaker 6: I know in those days it would have been a

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, anyone who's been working from

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Speaker 1: home over the course of the pandemic would be all

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Speaker 1: too familiar with the neighbor out the back mulling in

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Speaker 1: the middle of a meeting. But cutting the line is

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Speaker 1: arguably a little bit worse.

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Speaker 7: That was next level.

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Speaker 6: And I just people's perception of probably the business and

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Speaker 6: me at the time, was you know, I was in

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's how she's on the money. Started me

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Speaker 4: with a microphone. My laptop, do not on the table,

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Speaker 4: I did have a Dona over my head. So we

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Speaker 4: all start somewhere, my friends, and I feel like that's

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Speaker 5: It's part of the fun.

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Speaker 4: And I think one of my favorite things about She's

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Speaker 4: And I'm sure you guys are the same because you

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Speaker 4: mentioned webinars and now you have this absolutely gorgeous breadth

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Speaker 4: were probably a little bit more well known and this

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Speaker 4: is where we discovered you on LinkedIn from your Auntie

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Speaker 4: Manya video series. How did that become a thing? How

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Speaker 2: Well, we always had that as when we did face

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Speaker 2: ask Auntie section and so that's how that developed, and

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Speaker 2: that's proving to be very popular because it's where people

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Speaker 2: any questions. So nothing's off limits at all. We welcome

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Speaker 6: Yes, and we've been doing it for a long time,

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Speaker 6: so we did do it well before. You can't ask

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Speaker 6: ask Ali or ask an ally as well. But Andi

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Speaker 6: Manya has a great story about our philosophy of how

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I always tell people, you know, I've been doing

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Speaker 2: much all there is to ask about Indigenous people and

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Speaker 2: indigenous culture. But every now and then there's a question

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Speaker 2: thirty five years ago, Oh my gosh, and one young

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Speaker 4: But I think they're One thing that I feel like

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Speaker 4: is really special about the Ask Auntie series is that

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Speaker 4: It's not a yeah, you can ask anything, but you're

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Speaker 4: actually exuding like just this feeling of safety to learn

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've found actually that it's amazing that people have

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Speaker 2: So it's it's transferring over to them in the cyber world,

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Speaker 2: For us cultural safety? How important it is for people

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Speaker 6: particularly as Anti Monya says, everyone has wisdom to offer

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Speaker 6: of time being intentional about that. Well, how do we

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Speaker 6: create that? And as Anti Monyu was saying, we have

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Speaker 6: we're very values based. We've got three key values. One

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Speaker 6: is kindness in kindredness and that's all about kinship, and

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Speaker 6: we treat everyone as family in a without not in

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Speaker 6: a cultish way, in a way that's right, fun in creativity,

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Speaker 6: so we like for all of our spaces to be

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Speaker 6: very creative. And the third one is walking our talk.

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Speaker 6: So Auntie Manyo and I invite people to pull us

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Speaker 6: up if we're not walking our talk, walking our VABs,

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Speaker 6: but everything that we do is designed to walk our talk.

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Speaker 7: Basically incredible.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, the sense of warmth, as you said,

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Speaker 1: absolutely does translate because I'm a big fan from LinkedIn,

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Speaker 7: It's a great question, and there's a few layers in that.

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Speaker 6: The simplest layer, and that's where I come in as

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Speaker 5: Which is not a lot, is it?

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Speaker 7: That's right, Jess.

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Speaker 7: Like, yeah, it's excusing, let's get on board.

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Speaker 2: No one, Yeah, a movement. I didn't realize we were

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, you did, you totally did. Yeah, you

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Speaker 4: Well, we won't tell you how many people listen to

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Speaker 1: engaging the name of your book and where can people

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Speaker 1: get it? Because I think that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: listening will also share that interest.

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Speaker 2: Well, the book on dream Time is called Journey into

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Speaker 2: dream Time, and it's available through pretty much everywhere.

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Speaker 6: We've got in all the formats as well, Kindle and

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Speaker 6: Audible and audible.

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Speaker 5: You're everywhere.

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Speaker 4: We'll make sure it's in the show notes so people

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Speaker 4: can click straight through to purchase it.

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Speaker 5: Because I feel like I want to read that.

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's just such a special I feel

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Speaker 4: like you're opening your community to share with us, which

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Speaker 4: is a privilege to be able to learn from you

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Speaker 4: and share it with you, because, as Jess was saying before,

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Speaker 4: like education is burden to educate us as people who

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Speaker 4: aren't in your community, like you don't owe us that

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Speaker 4: and it's so special that you extend that opportunity for

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Speaker 4: us to learn. And I guess that's where your business

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Speaker 4: evolved communities has come from. And I would love to

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Speaker 4: pivot into talking a little bit about the savvy business

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Speaker 4: women we are talking to today, because you've not only

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Speaker 4: created a business, but of thriving business like you work

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Speaker 4: with some of Australia's biggest organizations. Can you talk me

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Speaker 4: through how you came to start a business and knew

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Speaker 4: that it was a business, not just a hobby on

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Speaker 4: the side or not something you were just interested in pursuing.

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Speaker 6: Well, that's a great question, I guess confession time now,

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Speaker 6: it was a hobby on the side for a long time.

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Speaker 7: So I actually I was very lucky.

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Speaker 6: I was managing an Aboriginal section and World Heritage section

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Speaker 6: of National Parks for a long time, and I was

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Speaker 6: so lucky talking about amazing women. I was so lucky

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Speaker 6: to job share that role with it an incredible woman

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Speaker 6: and do that time. And for a long time I

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Speaker 6: had the business as a part time but it's something

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Speaker 6: really important to share that, you know, if you have

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Speaker 6: a dream, you don't necessarily always have to go in

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Speaker 6: boots and all.

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Speaker 7: You can test the waters a bit.

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Speaker 6: And you know, because I had a financial obligations that

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Speaker 6: had a daughter, and so I was able to keep

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Speaker 6: some of that financial stability, I guess. And then when

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Speaker 6: we joined forces, when Auntie Manya came on board, and

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Speaker 6: so that was twenty fourteen, I thought, right, I'm not

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Speaker 6: going to be able to take this any further as

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Speaker 6: a hobby.

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Speaker 7: You know, this is the time to commit and Boots

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Speaker 7: and All.

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Speaker 6: And so we did go book Boots and All full

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Speaker 6: time and it's been fabulous doing that with Anti Manya.

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Speaker 6: I think it would be much harder doing alone. And

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Speaker 6: obviously I couldn't do what we're doing without Anti Manier's.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but also we do it with a team. So

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Speaker 2: we ensured that we've got a good business coach and

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Speaker 2: that we got good account that we've got people who

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Speaker 2: knew about the media and people who knew about marketing.

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Speaker 2: All of those things that we've learned about along the

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Speaker 2: way people who know about information technology. So building this

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Speaker 2: team to support us as we went and growing absolutely.

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Speaker 6: So we've invested a lot in our own education and

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Speaker 6: business education and marketing, and that's so we've gone through

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Speaker 6: different business coaching programs and our current business coach we've

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Speaker 6: been working with a few years now and he's developed

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Speaker 6: his team and so now our team is working with

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Speaker 6: his team, So we have different coaches for different things.

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Speaker 6: So I think that's been critical for me and it

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Speaker 6: might be different for Anti Manya. This I always say,

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Speaker 6: there's one quote that Marian Radmaker is her name, and

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Speaker 6: that for me encapsulates the whole business journey. And it's

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Speaker 6: courage is not the line that raws. It's the little quiet,

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Speaker 6: voicy each morning that gets up and says, I'll try again.

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Speaker 5: I love that quote.

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Speaker 1: You shared that with us last time we chatted, and

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Speaker 1: it really stuck with me. I think because there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of small business owners in our community. It's

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Speaker 1: something that our community is super super passionate about, and

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Speaker 1: we are all about the side hustle, you know, and

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Speaker 1: carving and following your path. As you were saying, have

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Speaker 1: you found as women specifically starting your own business particularly

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Speaker 1: because you said it's been a long slog for you

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Speaker 1: and it hasn't always been a place that's been super

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Speaker 1: accepting of women as heads of businesses or change makers.

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Speaker 1: And have you faced any challenges you think because of that,

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Speaker 1: particularly in the early days when you maybe didn't have

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Speaker 1: the profile that you have now.

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Speaker 7: For me, I've it doesn't matter what space I've been in.

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Speaker 6: I've I haven't realized until hindsight when someone says later,

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Speaker 6: do you you did that really differently?

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Speaker 7: Or you whatever trailblaze there or something.

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Speaker 6: But I guess that's been my whole approach to everything

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Speaker 6: that I do, is doing things quite differently but not

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Speaker 6: realizing it's different. But I guess doing whatever it takes to,

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Speaker 6: you know, have that vision, get to where you want

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Speaker 6: to get to. But the main thing for me has

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Speaker 6: been bringing other people along with me, how about you,

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Speaker 6: Auntie Monieux.

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Speaker 2: No, definitely about bringing along other people, learning from everyone else,

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Speaker 2: that stuff about everybody has something to teach you and

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Speaker 2: being open to that and trying things in a new way.

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Speaker 2: That's been a great challenge for us, and moving with

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Speaker 2: the times and finding too that we're ahead of the

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Speaker 2: times as well. You've color, you know, with your nomad

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Speaker 2: meetings in the early days before there was all of

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Speaker 2: this meeting online or how that's now taken off, But

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Speaker 2: you have that expertise that you brought in beforehand. And

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Speaker 2: so yeah, just about being open to change. But certainly

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Speaker 2: the challenges are there all the time, but you just

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Speaker 2: keep plugging away at a bit bud bit and you

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Speaker 2: eventually do get there.

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Speaker 7: And if you.

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Speaker 2: Believe in what your work is all about, if you

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Speaker 2: believe fully wholeheartedly, it just happens because you make it happen.

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Speaker 7: And it is persistence, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: And we definitely have had challenges and find environments and

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Speaker 6: people that did believe in us.

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Speaker 5: How do you do that?

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Speaker 7: Though?

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Speaker 4: Like that sounds so simple when you put it that way,

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Speaker 4: it sounds so eloquent and beautiful, but we all know

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Speaker 4: that that journey is not nearly as smooth as you've

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Speaker 4: just made it sound.

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Speaker 5: Like, how do you see your value?

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Speaker 6: I think it's just keep going back to the values

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Speaker 6: and that passion, the self care.

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Speaker 2: And valuing people and not being afraid to ask for

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Speaker 2: help when you do need help, because people do want

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Speaker 2: to help when they's jump in and they people have

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Speaker 2: got great ideas and it's like finding your tribe, really,

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Speaker 2: and that's what we did. We found our tribe and

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Speaker 2: some of that tribe of the members from that time,

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Speaker 2: just from that time, and so we had all gone

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Speaker 2: through this together. It was like, well, how do we

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Speaker 2: all now support each other and relying on each other,

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Speaker 2: supporting each other, growing all the way, and not competing

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Speaker 2: against each other as well.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, collaborations a lot, So we collaborate a lot with

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Speaker 6: other businesses. But I'm like, thinking of all the women

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Speaker 6: that you have in your network starting businesses and so forth.

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Speaker 6: It is you know, you get a feeling too of

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Speaker 6: people that you'll resonate with and connect with and contrast.

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Speaker 6: And I think it's really trusting your gut around that

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Speaker 6: as well. But we've had lots of difficult experiences that

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Speaker 6: we've learned from it.

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Speaker 7: It's certainly not.

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Speaker 2: But it's also standing up for yourself too and not

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Speaker 2: allowing yourself to be used and abused or manipulated.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 7: I'm thinking in particular.

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Speaker 2: A lot of our work involves copyright, our intellectual copyright

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Speaker 2: and having to stand on our two feet firmly and

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Speaker 2: say no, you can't use And this is why because

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Speaker 2: we've had one large government organization who practically wanted to steal.

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Speaker 7: Our well they did.

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Speaker 6: They send out our program and ask for other people

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Speaker 6: to tender on delivering it.

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Speaker 4: No the audacity that is heartbreaking, but it is so

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Speaker 4: inspiring to see that, as two women in business, you

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Speaker 4: are still able to see the value you bring to

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Speaker 4: the table when others aren't necessarily able to see that

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Speaker 4: as clearly as you can. I know that a lot

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Speaker 4: of people listening are going to be really inspired by that,

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Speaker 4: and I do have a fair few questions for you,

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Speaker 4: especially about you know what hurdles we still face as

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Speaker 4: a nation when it comes to reconciliation and how the

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Speaker 4: She's on the Money community can be a really good ally.

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Speaker 4: Right after this very quick break.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to this special episode of She's on the Money.

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Speaker 1: We are celebrating International Women's Week, and Vidria and I

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Speaker 1: are joined by Auntie Munya Andrews and Carla Rodgers from

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Speaker 1: Evolved Communities, which is an organization that works to really

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Speaker 1: power and educate in the space of cultural awareness. And

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Speaker 1: we've been having a really great discussion around this and reconciliation.

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Speaker 1: While we have come a long way, I think we

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Speaker 1: can all definitely acknowledge that there are many many ways

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Speaker 1: to go. Still, how do you feel about the changes

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Speaker 1: that you've seen and what can we do to lift

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Speaker 1: those voices up and really make a difference in that space,

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Speaker 1: whether it's as an ally or as a member of

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Speaker 1: the community.

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Speaker 2: Well, I feel fantastic about some of the changes that

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Speaker 2: we've seen and experienced along the way, because, as I say,

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Speaker 2: that gives me hope for the future. But we've noticed

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Speaker 2: a real change, haven't we, Carlo, especially in the last

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Speaker 2: five ten years, would you say, a real shift around

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Speaker 2: the whole discussion around reconciliation and particularly focused on the

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Speaker 2: Australia Day. Just how even this year it was so

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Speaker 2: different from last year, the sorts of changes that we've seen.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, only Mona, I say the biggest change

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Speaker 6: I've actually seen is in the last year. Thinking for example,

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Speaker 6: last year in my local community, I was pretty devastated

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Speaker 6: to see they on the twenty sixth January they did

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Speaker 6: a flyover and they had the Australian flag and then

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Speaker 6: the discourse that was on the Facebook community page about

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Speaker 6: you know, wasn't it great to see that in our

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Speaker 6: proud people? And I thought I felt really sad. And

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Speaker 6: then this year, or partly because I imagine because the

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Speaker 6: government now has the copyright to the Aboriginal flag, but

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Speaker 6: this year they flew both the Australian and the Aboriginal flag,

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Speaker 6: and I noticed, for example, a change in that conversation

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Speaker 6: on this Facebook group that people were very positive about it.

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Speaker 6: And Auntie Manu in each year we do it like

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Speaker 6: a webinar, you know how you can be in our

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Speaker 6: life five simple things you can do on in the

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Speaker 6: twenty sixth of January, And this year for that one,

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Speaker 6: we had about four hundred people joining to.

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Speaker 1: So people are hungry for change's you can see it.

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Speaker 1: It's totally shifting, and I think what you're doing is

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Speaker 1: a massive part of that, which the power of social

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Speaker 1: media I think is a big thing there.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's a privilege to be educated as well.

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Speaker 4: Like I grew up, I am, you know, very Caucasian,

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Speaker 4: and I grew up surrounded by other white people, so

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Speaker 4: growing up I had no idea about the history of

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Speaker 4: the twenty sixth of January and the education I received

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Speaker 4: at school. You hit the nail on the head earlier, Carla.

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Speaker 4: You just feel a little bit like you didn't get

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Speaker 4: what you deserved when it came to an education in

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Speaker 4: this space, and it wasn't placed to me in the

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Speaker 4: way that it actually happened like it was an invasion.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't, you know, this liberation that I had been

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Speaker 4: you know, told it was. And I think that as

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Speaker 4: I've been growing and learning and changing, like historically, yes,

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Speaker 4: I did celebrate it because I had no other education.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know any better, and now I do. I'm

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Speaker 4: embarrassed to think that I didn't have that education and

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Speaker 4: that we weren't afforded the privilege of that knowledge earlier on.

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Speaker 4: So hopefully as times changed, and you said over the

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Speaker 4: last year, you felt that change has been very imminent,

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Speaker 4: and I hope it's been a lot more aggressive, and

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Speaker 4: next year I hope that when we have a conversation

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Speaker 4: we catch up. You're saying, yeah, it's been even even bigger,

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Speaker 4: like the changes have been even more embraced. But are

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Speaker 4: you finding that primary schools and younger children are starting

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Speaker 4: to embrace this so this becomes ingrained in us from

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Speaker 4: the beginning.

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Speaker 7: Definitely.

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Speaker 6: People are always shocked to learn that in New South Wales,

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Speaker 6: for example, it was only twenty eighteen that an ancient

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Speaker 6: Australia unit was introduced to high schools. But I think

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Speaker 6: primary schools are probably even more progressive and anti Mayne

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Speaker 6: and I just went and spoke to a preschool the

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Speaker 6: other week, and so it is changing. It is happening,

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Speaker 6: and I think and we have a lot of parents

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Speaker 6: tell us that they've learned so much from their children

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Speaker 6: from school, and schools are incorporating acknowledgement of countries and

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Speaker 6: yarning circles. I think for us now that there's still

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Speaker 6: while we're being excited about the change that's happening and

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Speaker 6: some momentum, there is a long way to go. And

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Speaker 6: I think it's all about personal responsibility for learning.

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Speaker 7: And that's so easy.

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Speaker 6: You don't need to you don't need to come to

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Speaker 6: one of our programs or anything like that. You just

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Speaker 6: got to turn the TV on. You've got to pick

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Speaker 6: up a book. You know, it's so accessible and engaging.

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Speaker 6: The content that's out there, and if you haven't seen,

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Speaker 6: everyone should see rabbit Proof Fence, for example, about the

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Speaker 6: Stolen generation and the impact of the stolen generation. Watch

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Speaker 6: Black Comedy is just to understand the differences in humor.

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Speaker 6: Go to concerts pick up Uncle Archi Roach's autobiography where

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Speaker 6: he actually narrates his story himself and he's from the

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Speaker 6: Stolen generation. There's just so many things that we can

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Speaker 6: do to self educate.

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Speaker 2: And I think one of the biggest changes that I'd

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Speaker 2: like to see and seeing beginning to see it increasingly

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Speaker 2: more and more around Aboriginal languages. You know, why aren't

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Speaker 2: Aboriginal languages being taught in schools? Just through our allies,

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Speaker 2: we noticed that when they give an acknowledgment of country,

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Speaker 2: a lot of them are including Aboriginal language in that

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Speaker 2: and it's just fantastic to see because that's the next

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Speaker 2: step I think, yeah, and we need to take.

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Speaker 6: With this awareness, I'm hoping that we're then also able

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Speaker 6: to have safe spaces for the harder conversations. And you know,

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Speaker 6: an example of a book it's in the not in

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Speaker 6: the Australian context, but that is a harder conversation. But

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Speaker 6: I found so valuable to read was around white fragility

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Speaker 6: and Robin DiAngelo's her name. And there's a recent book

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Speaker 6: around nice Racist or something like that. But we need

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Speaker 6: the spaces that me as a white, as a non

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Speaker 6: Indigenous person, I can have that conversation and acknowledge how

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Speaker 6: I guess our society is intrinsically just set up, that

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Speaker 6: there is this big power differential that I benefit from

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Speaker 6: and that my privilege has a big role to play.

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Speaker 6: So the biggest thing I can do is one of

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Speaker 6: the biggest things I can do is now I is

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Speaker 6: understand and be more aware of the privileges, the benefits,

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Speaker 6: the opportunities I have that another person may have just

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Speaker 6: because of the color of their skin.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Incredible, And we'll have a blog post up actually with

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Speaker 1: a rap of all of those really great resources that

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Speaker 1: you just mentioned, along with some of our other personal favorites,

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Speaker 1: because I think that's a great place for people to start.

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Speaker 5: Anti manyatt Krla.

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Speaker 4: I am in awe of what you've created with Evolve Communities.

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Speaker 5: But what's next? What is Evolve community is doing next?

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, well, Auntie Manya, we when we're talking about books,

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Speaker 8: we have the book Practical Reconciliation, which you mentioned, and

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Speaker 8: then Auntie Maunya has.

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Speaker 2: So I've written a new book on Aboriginal languages that's

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Speaker 2: going to be published by Mugabler Books next year, and

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Speaker 2: it's called Can You Speak Google Burrah? A lot of

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Speaker 2: people don't realize they're not pronouncing the name properly because

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Speaker 2: we don't have that K or C sounds in our languages.

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Speaker 2: It's pronounced closer to a G. So Google Burro is

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Speaker 2: a correct pronunciation. And so I was saying to Carla,

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Speaker 2: I really want to get an Aboriginal language program going

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Speaker 2: through evolved communities where people can learn to speak an

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Speaker 2: indigenous language. So that's one of the places we're wanting

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Speaker 2: to expand on.

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Speaker 6: And we've written the children's version of Practical Reconciliation that

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Speaker 6: it's the Adventures of Benji and Biscuit.

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Speaker 7: Biscuit's a dog.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And so we actually we're actually looking for a

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Speaker 6: publisher for that at the moment. And we have a

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Speaker 6: big dream, I guess of a not a university, but

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Speaker 6: like a central harbor, dreamtime harbor of information and for allies.

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Speaker 6: And the biggest step for US now is growing our

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Speaker 6: team so that we have different accreditation programs. You can

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Speaker 6: become an ally accredited ally and then you can become

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Speaker 6: an assistant to run our programs, and then you could

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Speaker 6: become a facilitator of our programs. So Aunti Manya and

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Speaker 6: I particularly Auntie Manya had retired before COVID from delivery

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Speaker 6: of our programs and then COVID hit and we're back

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Speaker 6: in the hot seat for a couple of years. But

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Speaker 6: we would our model of delivery for leading our programs

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Speaker 6: is also an ally model, so we have an Indigenous

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Speaker 6: and a non Indigenous person team posting our programs and

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Speaker 6: delivering our programs both. We're hoping both online and in person.

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Speaker 6: So that's the big next step part of our vision

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Speaker 6: is to have this team across Australia and for their

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Speaker 6: Aboriginal people so they don't have to leave country to

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Speaker 6: deliver our programs. So we're really excited about that.

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Speaker 5: That is super exciting.

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Speaker 4: I literally can't wait to follow that journey in watch

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Speaker 4: where you go, because I feel like you are absolutely

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Speaker 4: flourishing and you're in your peak and everything is it's

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Speaker 4: looking really beautiful from here. Last question before we wrap up,

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Speaker 4: because I am very aware that I have taken a

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Speaker 4: fair bit of your time, which I am very grateful for.

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Speaker 5: Carla Anti Mania, how are you celebrating International Women's Day?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we're celebrating an International Women's Day by attending

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Speaker 2: one of the events held in Cayama, and I'm one

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Speaker 2: of the speakers that will be speaking at International Women's Day.

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Speaker 2: Carl is coming along as well.

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Speaker 6: And together we're running a workshop and both the speech

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Speaker 6: and the workshop are on the breaking the bias as

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Speaker 6: an ally. And this is I've come back to the

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Speaker 6: hometown Cimo I grew up and went to high school,

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Speaker 6: and so I've been involved in a group of amazing

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Speaker 6: women planning for this event. So we're super excited about

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Speaker 6: about the event and agenda. So usually we do speak

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Speaker 6: at something on International Women's Day, but it's a lovely

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Speaker 6: full circle for me coming back to the hometown and

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Speaker 6: doing something.

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Speaker 5: That's so special.

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Speaker 1: And if anyone does want to check out Evolve Communities,

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Speaker 1: all the incredible work that you guys are doing, the resources,

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Speaker 1: the courses, we cannot recommend them highly enough. We're huge,

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Speaker 1: huge fans in this office and it's www. Dot evolved,

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Speaker 1: dot com, dot au. They can find you on socials

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Speaker 1: as well, I believe yes.

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Speaker 6: And one of the next things is also on what's

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Speaker 6: it called the TikTok.

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Speaker 5: Oh, you're on tik talk.

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Speaker 7: We're about to oh just going there.

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that is gorgeous. I can't wait.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to go follow you in advance so that

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Speaker 4: I get to see it first. Oh my gosh, Well,

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Speaker 4: thank you both for joining us. It has been an

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Speaker 4: absolute privilege to share you both with our community, and

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Speaker 4: we know that this won't be the last interaction we

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Speaker 4: have with you.

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Speaker 6: Oh think, thank you Victoria and Jess. And I also

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Speaker 6: want to think, I so wish this program was around.

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Speaker 7: And I'm you know, I'm not a millennial.

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Speaker 6: I'm an excerpt, but I'm definitely learning from your program.

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Speaker 6: And financial literacy is just such an important thing, isn't it?

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Speaker 6: Absolutely and something we also try to teach and share

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Speaker 6: in with Aboriginal communities. We ask a question when we

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Speaker 6: do the Privilege Walk and we're looking at the role

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Speaker 6: of privilege, we asked the question, if you had someone

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Speaker 6: teach you how to get a bank account, how to

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Speaker 6: you know?

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Speaker 7: Because that actually is a privilege.

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Speaker 4: I one hundred percent, And it's something that we so

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Speaker 4: easily overlook, like we might think it's small, but it's

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Speaker 4: absolutely not. That the foundational skills that so many people

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Speaker 4: miss out on. And as always, just before we head off,

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Speaker 4: we'd like to acknowledge and pay respect to Australia's Aboriginal

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Speaker 4: and torrest Right Islander People's. They're the traditional Castordians of

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Speaker 4: the lands, the waterways and the skies all across Australia.

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Speaker 4: We thank you for sharing and for caring for the land.

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Speaker 5: On which we are able to learn.

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Speaker 4: We pay our respects to elders past and present, and

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Speaker 4: we share our friendship and our kindness.

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