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Speaker 1: Today's tricky question I'm at my wits end with my

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Speaker 1: three year old. Everything is a battle? What am I

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Speaker 1: Start talking. It's that simple. Today's question comes from Natalie.

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Speaker 2: I'm at my wits end with my three year old.

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Speaker 2: Everything is about all getting dressed, bath, teeth, hair, eating,

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Speaker 2: not hitting your sister. She's always so angry and yells

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Speaker 2: whenever we ask her to do anything, if we say no,

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Speaker 2: if we turn the TV off, etc. We have a

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Speaker 2: routine for morning which includes no TV and evening. I've

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Speaker 2: tried leaving extra time. I've tried getting down to her level,

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Speaker 2: holding hands, eye contact, saying, I know this is hard,

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Speaker 2: but if she doesn't want to do something, that's the

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Speaker 2: end of it. She'll scream, hit, throw things, none of

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Speaker 2: which we do at home. At daycare they see none

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Speaker 2: of this behavior, so I'm sure it's not some sort

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Speaker 2: of permanent issue. They're clearly much better at getting the

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Speaker 2: best out of children, And I know she feels safe

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Speaker 2: around me, which is why she lets it all out

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Speaker 2: with me. But I'm struggling to cope with the outbursts

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Speaker 2: and the inability to get ready and get out the door.

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Speaker 2: I'm broken by nine am.

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Speaker 1: Help, Natalie, I hear this question. I just I love

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Speaker 1: you desire to get this right. I love you can

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Speaker 1: hear it how much you love your daughter and how

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Speaker 1: frustrating this challenging thing is.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we're dealing with some develop mental realities here. This

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Speaker 3: is a parly typical behavior for any three year old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've done it six times, and our brand new

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Speaker 1: granddaughter is only a year off, and we're starting to

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Speaker 1: see the early signs already. All Right, Natalie, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about some developmental challenges that you're up against. The first

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Speaker 1: one is that children start learning l plates emotional regulation

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Speaker 1: around about the age of three, four five, somewhere, and

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Speaker 1: there is where it starts. They're not good at it.

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Speaker 1: They can regulate from time to time when things are good,

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Speaker 1: but once they get tired, once they get hungry, once

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Speaker 1: we say no, once things aren't going their way, it's explosive.

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't go well at all. And what that's

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Speaker 1: tied to is behavioral regulation. If you can't regulate your

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Speaker 1: emotions and they're explosive, the thing that automatically follows is

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Speaker 1: the behavior is where we get the kicking, the fighting,

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Speaker 1: the scratching, the biting, the pinching, the I hate you,

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Speaker 1: the evil eyes. It's all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: When I think about year old, they really are still

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Speaker 1: I've been saying this for years. We expect way too

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Speaker 1: much of our children emotionally and not nearly enough of

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Speaker 1: them physically. Like our kid's emotional l plates are firmly

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Speaker 1: in that windscreen, everyone should be able to see them,

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Speaker 1: and yet we sometimes forget and we treat them like

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Speaker 1: that learner driver on the road that didn't go through

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Speaker 1: come on, what are you thinking? But they're not ready

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Speaker 1: for it yet. They just they're not there. So getting

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Speaker 1: those expectations right is important. And essentially, if you've got

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Speaker 1: maybe a touch more than that. I mean, they are

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Speaker 3: They need more than anything right now is compassion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the average kid learns to regulate their emotions most

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Speaker 1: and so we're talking about a three year old. That

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Speaker 1: is a very, very, very big difference. There are two

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Speaker 1: other developmental realities that can explain what you're dealing with, Natalie,

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Speaker 1: what anyone with a three year old who is driving

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Speaker 1: them bonkers is experiencing. The first one is called theory

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Speaker 1: because in their minds totally and now you're ruining my

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Speaker 3: Kids teach us so much like they are so good

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Speaker 1: Really annoying when you can't be in that moment because

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Speaker 1: you've got to move to the next moment. So theory

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Speaker 1: research is now suggesting that theory of mind is also

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Speaker 1: especially when they get emotional because they can't find the words.

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Speaker 1: world through your perspective at all. They're emotionally disregulated and

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Speaker 1: behaviorally disregulated, and they struggle to communicate. That's a lot,

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Speaker 1: and that explains most of it, but we still need

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Speaker 1: some solutions. So after the break, a couple more reasons

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Speaker 1: With big emotions, Kylie, when kids get really emotional, I'm

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Speaker 1: always curious to know whether they're whether those emotions cross contexts,

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Speaker 3: We've experienced it in our own home totally. One of

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Speaker 3: our children, I could not get her to leave daycare

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Speaker 3: for the life of me, like literally meltdowns every day.

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Speaker 1: Which is so funny because so many parents are like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the She lost it when I left

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Speaker 1: And we were dealing with big emotions at home as well,

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Speaker 1: but the teacher said, she's fine once you're gone, She's

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Speaker 3: So the teacher actually literally walked over to her whispered

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Speaker 3: it was, but she would do this regularly and within

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Speaker 1: Daycare is a different context of the home. So when

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Speaker 1: a healthy kid. And what's really going on is daycare.

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Speaker 1: There's momentum, there's a crowd, there's socialization.

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Speaker 3: The biggest thing about daycare is she is probably experiencing

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Speaker 3: Our kids, no matter their age, they want to be

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Speaker 1: The activities are more fun. Let's be honest. They've got

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Speaker 1: and that is that there's so much correction and direction.

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Speaker 1: There's so much. I'm going to coach you through this.

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Speaker 1: I can hear the desire to be gentle, I can

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Speaker 1: that you're carrying a bucket that represents your relationship. Water

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Speaker 1: much of that is happening. I think that Natalie's little

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Speaker 3: The first one, the first one slow it down, and

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Speaker 3: margin or buffer into our mornings and afternoons.

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Speaker 1: As every parent goes, I have no margin, I have

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Speaker 1: no buffer. This is too hard.

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Speaker 3: We all feel like that. Yeah, but I know from

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Speaker 3: that and they won't feel hurried, they won't feel rushed,

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Speaker 1: So that ties in with the second one, which is

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Speaker 1: that we want to connect. I've mentioned the relationship bucket.

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Speaker 1: It's slowing down allows you to pour more water into

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Speaker 1: the bucket. That is more connection into the bucket. My

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Speaker 1: definition of connection is feeling seen, hurt and valued. What

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Speaker 1: are the things that you do that help your three

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Speaker 3: But the reality is, whether we do it that way

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