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Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda's Well.

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Speaker 2: I still don't know I feel about all that we

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Speaker 2: saw last night in the Oprah Winfrey interview with Meghan

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Speaker 2: Markle Duchess she's still Duchess of Sussex.

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Speaker 3: I think she is.

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Speaker 2: And Prince Harry.

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Speaker 3: They got they were saying the Sussexes.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting that it brought out I felt like I

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Speaker 2: was so old fashioned because Meghan was saying Fergie, she

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Speaker 2: said Diana, she said Harry's dad, she said Kate. She

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Speaker 2: didn't give anyone their official titles, which made me feel,

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Speaker 2: you know, and once again it plays into that thing

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Speaker 2: we spoke about yesterday's Americans don't get the royal family

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Speaker 2: for all its flaws. It is this archaic, old institution.

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Speaker 2: And I'm still perplexed as to why they've done this

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Speaker 2: interview because they can't fix this institution, but they may

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Speaker 2: have actually damaged it severely. Some of the biggest things

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Speaker 2: and you probably heard them by now, there were some

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Speaker 2: huge bombshells in this interview yesterday. Well start with the

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Speaker 2: one where there was a huge narrative around she said

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Speaker 2: that Meghan said she felt she couldn't be protected because

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Speaker 2: all the pr was going to go Kate's way. The

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Speaker 2: press needed a villain and a hero, and the royal family,

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Speaker 2: the institution, the firm let that play out. Here's what

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Speaker 2: she said about that supposed fight before the wedding where

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Speaker 2: it was revealed that said that Meghan had made Kate cry.

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Speaker 4: This was a really big story at the time that

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Speaker 4: you made Kate cry. Now you're saying you didn't make

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Speaker 4: Kate cry. Kate made you cry, so we all want

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Speaker 4: to know what would make you cry.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair to her to get into

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Speaker 1: the details of that, because she apologized and I've forgiven

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Speaker 1: her right. What was hard to get over was being

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Speaker 1: blamed for something that not only I didn't do, but

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Speaker 1: that happened to me and the people who were part

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Speaker 1: of our wedding, going to our comms team and saying,

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Speaker 1: I know this didn't happen. I don't have to tell

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Speaker 1: them what actually happened, but I can at least go

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Speaker 1: on the record and say she didn't make her cry.

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Speaker 5: And they were all told to.

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Speaker 4: Say all the time, the stories out there you had

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Speaker 4: made Kate cry. You knew all along, and people around

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Speaker 4: you knew that that wasn't true.

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Speaker 1: Everyone in the institution knew it wasn't, so why didn't

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Speaker 1: somebody just say that it's a good question.

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Speaker 2: When she mentions the Colm team, that's her communications team,

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Speaker 2: so they're the people handling her publicity, and they set

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Speaker 2: up the narrative that no, you can't harm Kate. So

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Speaker 2: Megan's thrown Kate under the bus.

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Speaker 4: There.

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Speaker 2: The bit that was so hard to hear was just

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Speaker 2: how desperately unhappy she was, how her mental health really suffered.

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Speaker 2: To the point of this, I.

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Speaker 1: Was really ashamed to say it at the time, and

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Speaker 1: ashamed to have to admit it to Harry, especially because

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Speaker 1: I know how much loss he suffered. But I knew

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Speaker 1: that if I didn't say it, that I would do it,

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Speaker 1: and I just didn't.

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Speaker 5: I just didn't want to be alive anymore. And that

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Speaker 5: was a very.

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Speaker 1: Clear and real and frightening constant thought. I went to

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Speaker 1: the institution and I said that I needed to go

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Speaker 1: somewhere to get help, so that I've never felt this

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Speaker 1: way before and I needed to go somewhere, and I

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Speaker 1: was told that I couldn't, that it wouldn't be good

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Speaker 1: for the institution.

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Speaker 2: Wow, particularly as Kate and Will and Harry and Meghan

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Speaker 2: have done a lot of publicy, a lot of so

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Speaker 2: great work discussing mental health and saying seek help, and

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Speaker 2: she is saying I was going to take my own life,

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Speaker 2: and now I would help her. There was some footage

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Speaker 2: where she said that she was so distraught and I

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Speaker 2: had to go an official engagement that night, and there

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Speaker 2: were photos of them at that engage at that night.

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Speaker 2: They're out of the theater, I think, and she looked

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Speaker 2: beautiful though holding hands, she was heavily pregnant. They looked

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Speaker 2: so happy. The truth behind that photo is that he said, look,

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Speaker 2: I'll go on my own tonight. She said, you can't

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Speaker 2: leave me on my own. I don't know what I'll do.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 2: The one that's hit people a lot is the discussion

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Speaker 2: about what color their baby would be.

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Speaker 1: In those months when I was pregnant, all around this

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Speaker 1: same time. So we have in tandem the conversation of

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Speaker 1: he won't be given security, it's not going to be

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Speaker 1: given a title, and also concerns and conversations about how

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Speaker 1: dark his skin might be when he's born. To hold

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Speaker 1: up there as several conversations.

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Speaker 4: There's a conversation with you with Harry about how dark

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Speaker 4: your baby is going to.

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Speaker 5: Be potentially and what that would mean or look like.

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Speaker 4: Oh, and you're not going to tell me who had

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Speaker 4: the conversation.

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Speaker 5: I think that would be very damaging to them.

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Speaker 2: This is the hard thing. And then she asked the same

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Speaker 2: thing was on Prince Philip and that point, they've come

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Speaker 2: out this morning and said it's not the queen and

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Speaker 2: it's not Prince Phillip.

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Speaker 3: So see the Charles or will Well, they've.

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Speaker 2: Kind of thrown everyone under the what Harry said that conversation.

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Speaker 6: I never got into share, but at the time, at

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Speaker 6: the time, it was awkward.

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Speaker 5: I was a bit shocked. You can you tell us

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Speaker 5: what the question was.

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Speaker 6: I'm not comfortable with sharing that, but that was that

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Speaker 6: was right at the beginning, right like what will the

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Speaker 6: baby look like? Yeah, what will the kids look like?

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Speaker 6: What will the kids look like?

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Speaker 2: You can't give more information, don't bring it up, bring

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Speaker 2: it up.

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Speaker 3: But we had friends and they mixed race and can

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Speaker 3: you say that anymore? Mixed it and we speculated with

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Speaker 3: them as well, what colors the little baby gotta come out?

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Speaker 3: That was you know, that's just curiosity, of course, and

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Speaker 3: I understand been.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like from the tone here it sounds like Harry

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Speaker 2: was saying when he first got together with Megan, someone said,

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Speaker 2: have you thought about this? Which obviously touches a huge

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Speaker 2: nerve everywhere. I will talk about this in the pub

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Speaker 2: test about how you felt when you watched it last night.

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Speaker 2: But I can't understand. I know they're hurt, and maybe

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Speaker 2: if they wanted to, they could try and explain themselves.

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Speaker 2: Here's why we've moved to America. Look how unhappy we were.

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Speaker 2: We need to start a new life. But to what

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Speaker 2: end are they taking down the royal family with them,

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Speaker 2: and at the cost of their personal relationships Will and

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Speaker 2: Harry their dad. It was it was hard to watch,

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Speaker 2: but Megan was so likable. But what look at me

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Speaker 2: and what are the long term implications of what we

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Speaker 2: saw last night? So there's more to discuss about that. Jones,

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Speaker 2: Amanda's