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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kay Torbert And coming up on today's show, Lillly Brown

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Speaker 1: calls out major Australian brands over dressing gown dupe, Jade

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Speaker 1: Tunci says she's off the PR invite list now that

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Speaker 1: she's a mum. And our Friday Debrief But First, Britney

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Speaker 1: Saunders and Matt Hay have spilt some serious tea about

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Speaker 1: the meanest influencer in Australia. Talking on their podcast High Scrollers,

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Speaker 1: Brita and Matt were discussing the notion of what you

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Speaker 1: put out to the universe coming back to you. When

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Speaker 1: Matt said this, Oh.

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Speaker 2: And people just come to mind. There's one influencer that

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Speaker 2: comes to mind, and you know exactly who it would be.

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Speaker 2: But she is the nastiest motherfucker in this industry.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she just kicks having the worst luck and

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Speaker 3: she keeps like a video after video about how miserable

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Speaker 3: her fucking life is.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, we have everyone guessing about it.

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Speaker 2: Gets it, bitch, guess it. She is a nasty, nasty

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Speaker 2: piece of work.

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Speaker 3: What if she.

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Speaker 1: Knows because she would know you're.

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Speaker 2: Because there's there's one person I don't care bringing on love.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's a reality check that some people need.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing.

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Speaker 3: She is a nasty, nasty piece of work too, quite

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Speaker 3: quite literally. Everyone everyone has a problem, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. I would pay a lot of money

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Speaker 1: to have confirmation of who this is. I have someone

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Speaker 1: in mind. Yeah, I don't know if we should say though,

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Speaker 1: who I think it could be. Can you give some clues? Well,

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Speaker 1: the influencer I think it could potentially be lives in

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Speaker 1: Melbourne and she's in her mid twenties. She used to

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Speaker 1: date an AFL player and she recently has been called

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Speaker 1: out a lot. I'm wondering if it could be her.

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Speaker 1: I know exactly who you're talking about, and she did

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Speaker 1: jump to mine. But then I wonder, is this influencer

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Speaker 1: there aren't heaps of influencers in Newcastle, but it could

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Speaker 1: be someone more in New South Wales that they may

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Speaker 1: have met at events. And Britney Saunders is such a

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Speaker 1: lovely influencer. The fact that she even has a problem

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Speaker 1: with this person highlights how horrendous this person must act.

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Speaker 1: Oh my other thought is Anna Pole like could maybe

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Speaker 1: because obviously everything's turned to shit for her so well Britain, Matt,

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Speaker 1: if you would like to slide into our DMS and

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Speaker 1: tell us who this influencer is, we'll promise we'll keep

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Speaker 1: you a secret, or any of our listeners if you've

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Speaker 1: got some guesses. Welcome back to another daily blog. Today

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Speaker 1: started super early. We had a massive photo shoot down

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Speaker 1: in Byron Bay. Today, Lily Brown has hit out at

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Speaker 1: two retailers for allegedly copying the designs of her popular

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Speaker 1: viral robe Amy can you tell us more so? Lily

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Speaker 1: owns sleep where brand Chill, which has become famous for

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Speaker 1: its signature snug robes, and these have been popping off

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Speaker 1: on TikTok because they not only look super comfortable they're

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Speaker 1: made of fleas, but they're also stopped in these really

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Speaker 1: esthetic colors. I'd kind of say they're the Frank Green

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Speaker 1: of sleep wear because they've been made in colors like

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Speaker 1: butter and maple and tangerine. They're really cool, they're beautiful robes.

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Speaker 1: I remember when they got released and literally every influencer

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Speaker 1: and their dog was wearing them and I'm like, why

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Speaker 1: do I want them? That's really working here? Well, they

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Speaker 1: also have a headband which looks like Bear ears as

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Speaker 1: an accessory, so you can get a matching one, and

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Speaker 1: they are quite pricey. They'll set you back around one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty nine dollars. I think Lily's done a

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Speaker 1: really good job at promoting these robes and having this

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Speaker 1: signature product because she's had her pajama brand Chill for

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Speaker 1: a couple of years now, and it hasn't been a

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Speaker 1: super easy road for her. She's spoken a lot in

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Speaker 1: podcasts about how it would have been a lot easier

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Speaker 1: for her to just stick with influencing rather than opening

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Speaker 1: up a business. I think that she was quite shocked

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Speaker 1: that it wasn't as easy as she thought. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: there was all that over the Smelly pajamas a couple

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Speaker 1: of years ago. We spoke in detail about it, and

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Speaker 1: I know that really hurt Lily. Yeah, you can tell

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Speaker 1: her business means a lot to her. Obviously, She's put

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Speaker 1: she has been able to create this level of scarcity

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Speaker 1: with the product. Because every time they release a new color,

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Speaker 1: it sells out instantly. They also recently did a successful

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Speaker 1: collaboration with influencer Jazz Hand and that created a lot

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Speaker 1: more buzz around the robe, so they released a special

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Speaker 1: robe in the color oak, better known as brown. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I prefer oak. I think that sounds bad now. Late

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Speaker 1: last week, Lily took to Instagram to air her frustration

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Speaker 1: at Bras and Things and Suzanne's for allegedly copying her design.

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Speaker 1: She wrote, so I've decided it's not flattering, it's unfair, rude,

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Speaker 1: and fucking annoying. Now, to be completely honest, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: going to name and shame, but this is ridiculous. Stop

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Speaker 1: ripping off small brands with your hundreds of stores nationwide

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Speaker 1: and internationally. I don't think it makes much difference to

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Speaker 1: either of these retailer's bottom line if they sell a

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Speaker 1: few robes here and there. For me, are snug robes

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Speaker 1: are my whole life. She went on to say, I've

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Speaker 1: continually invested and reinvested back into the business since day one,

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Speaker 1: putting everything on the line constantly and taking huge financial risks.

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Speaker 1: I literally moved three hours away from my warehouse to

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Speaker 1: So this is just another slap in the face, especially

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Speaker 1: after Bras and Things launched their snug dupe in March,

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Speaker 1: after I literally shot a campaign for them and promoted

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Speaker 1: their brand on my socials two weeks before they had

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Speaker 1: this style on their shop floor. I really feel for

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Speaker 1: Lily because I agree with her this is a big

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Speaker 1: slap in the face, and as she pointed out, this

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Speaker 1: could really affect chules bottom line because the Bras and

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Speaker 1: Things dupe will set you back sixty nine ninety nine

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Speaker 1: or sue Zan''s priced at seventy nine ninety five. They're

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Speaker 1: both around half the price of Lily's robe. The colors

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Speaker 1: aren't as bougie as Chills, but they're identical. People are

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Speaker 1: Bras and Things partnership team feels about being called out,

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Speaker 1: because it's really not a good look that this happened

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Speaker 1: after they used her in a campaign. Well, it shows

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Speaker 1: So we have seen this rise in the hashtag jupe trend.

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Speaker 1: There's been over three billion views on dupe videos. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are even dupe influencers. I don't know if you've

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Speaker 1: seen them, kay, but they have really taken away the

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Speaker 1: taboo of buying the cheaper options. Do you know what

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Speaker 1: when you said Jupe influencers, I thought you meant like

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Speaker 1: it because I think it's great to be savvier with

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Speaker 1: cool to buy, you know, clothes from km arts. So

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Speaker 1: Fidopha led us in on that little secret alone a

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Speaker 1: But again, for creatives, it's absolutely terrible for the industry. Well, historically,

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Speaker 1: influencer brands like Chill have been able to really capitalize

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Speaker 1: on having this aura of exclusivity. But you can see

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Speaker 1: now that this culture of jupes is really threatening this uniqueness.

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Speaker 1: It's also got a lot to do with fast fashion

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Speaker 1: seeing people push back though on dupes and micro trends

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Speaker 1: people that don't want the jupes I think are like

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Speaker 1: I'm not paying for a Stanley cup. Yeah. The unfortunate

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Speaker 1: on trademark and IP because they're essentially just a complete

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Speaker 1: more ambiguous because they're taking inspiration from a design. So

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Speaker 1: with bras and things and Suzanne's robes, yes, they've obviously

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Speaker 1: and that's where the gray area lie. The one thing

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Speaker 1: you will see some businesses doing is copywriting certain colors.

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Speaker 1: because they haven't released them in her specific colors. But

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Speaker 1: people can do. I mean, that's just how Sheen has

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Speaker 4: I don't want to pigeonhole myself as like a mom,

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Speaker 4: because I am so much more than that, and I

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Speaker 4: do want to do other things with my time and

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Speaker 4: my day and my life, but also that's what I'm

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Speaker 1: becoming a mum when you're a fashion influencer. In a

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Speaker 1: seven minute TikTok video, Jadey opened up about her loss

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Speaker 1: the birth of her son, Fletcher. Let's have a listen

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Speaker 4: When you become a mother, there's like a lot of

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Speaker 4: I didn't really feel like this in the beginning.

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Speaker 1: I was like, what's everyone talking about? Your life changes?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, nah, I'll make that so it

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Speaker 1: but what if the red comes through into the icing?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, nah, nah, it won't. And then

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Speaker 1: I put Jack down for his afternoon nap and I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: I've hopefully got two hours like i'd pre made the

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Speaker 1: cakes to cut them out and decorate it. Oh, the

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Speaker 1: pressure was on and I did the first crumb coat

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Speaker 1: and I was like, fuck, like v on my understanding,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what a crumb coat is. It's

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Speaker 1: like the coat of icing that you put on that's

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Speaker 1: meant to contain the crumb so crumbs do come out.

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Speaker 1: But I was thinking, I've got such a big ball

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Speaker 1: to put this cake on. Normally you put the cake

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Speaker 1: in the fridge so that the icing sets a little

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Speaker 1: bit before you put the second coat on, but I

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Speaker 1: couldn't do that. So fortunately the second coat worked, but yes,

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Speaker 1: it was so much fun. I actually made Jack also

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Speaker 1: the one cake for Tuesday, because I was tossing up

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Speaker 1: between the two and the one is just so nostalgic.

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Speaker 1: And I put all the Smarties on in a way

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Speaker 1: it was so delicious. There's something just about Smarties and

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Speaker 1: icing that is just elite. It's got me a bit

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Speaker 1: nervous because now I'm thinking, oh my god, what am

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Speaker 1: I going to do for Harry's first birthday? Like do

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Speaker 1: I have to do one of the Women's weekly cake? Well,

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Speaker 1: if anyone is planning a first birthday, my recommendation would

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Speaker 1: be to have it somewhere else that's not at your house,

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Speaker 1: because I had it at a pub. I know. We

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Speaker 1: spoke a lot about where I should have it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it was so good because he rocked up. I

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Speaker 1: could just focus on picking out decorations that I liked

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Speaker 1: and then the cake, which were the two important things

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Speaker 1: for me. So I'm glad that I did that because

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Speaker 1: I'm like, if I had to clean my house on

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Speaker 1: top of all this, look, Dale and I had gluttons

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Speaker 1: for punishment because when we left your birthday or Jack's birthday,

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Speaker 1: I should say I said to him, so, what do

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Speaker 1: you think we'll do for Harry's Birthday's? Like we'll have

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Speaker 1: it at our house. We'll probably do a barbecue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because I was talking to Dale at the

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Speaker 1: bar when we were getting a drink and he's like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: did you have to pay room higher? And I was like, nah,

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Speaker 1: because it's June. There's no room higher, no minimum spend.

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Speaker 1: And I almost thought like, oh, maybe he was considering it,

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Speaker 1: and then recent and I spoke about it and he's like,

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Speaker 1: there's no way they'll do it at their house here. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've got a recommendation for anyone who's looking for a

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Speaker 1: YouTube series to watch over the weekend. I mentioned on

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Speaker 1: our Monday episode how I've become really invested in Georgia Richard's,

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Speaker 1: Sophie Jane Miller, and Rachel Catherine's YouTube videos. The three

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Speaker 1: of them are over in New York at the moment,

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Speaker 1: and I have thoroughly been enjoying their content. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's a bit of escapism for me while

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Speaker 1: I'm feeding Harry, Yeah, but I have been loving seeing

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Speaker 1: them over in New York. They've been going to the Hamptons.

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Speaker 1: It's summer there at the moment. It's always interesting when

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Speaker 1: a group of influencers go on a trip and then

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Speaker 1: they all produce content from that trip and it's all

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Speaker 1: slightly different but has crossovers. Yeah, I don't know, it's

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Speaker 1: just this mindless stuff I put on in the background.

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Speaker 1: It's been fabulous, so I've been really living for their

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Speaker 1: content at the moment. If anyone can hear cute little

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Speaker 1: baby noises in the background, we are recording at our parents' house.

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Speaker 1: We're actually in your old bedroom, Amy, which has been

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Speaker 1: turned into the grandchildren's room, and Harry is I think

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Speaker 1: he's kind of sleeping. Well, he started making all of

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Speaker 1: the cooing noises, which is very cute. Yeah, he's just

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Speaker 1: such a cute little boy. Well, I think on that note,

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Speaker 1: Harry is waking up, so we will wrap things up there.

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