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Speaker 1: On today's podcast, I have Fraser, who was booted from
Speaker 1: Australian Survivor this week after a very hectic tribal council.
Speaker 1: Fraser was totally minding his p's and q's when somehow
Speaker 1: he got caught on the crossfire of George versus Simon,
Speaker 1: which saw Fraser blindsided and sent home. This week has
Speaker 1: been a massive week on Australian Survivor. First JLP lost
Speaker 1: his mind building height for this week's episodes, and then
Speaker 1: the media started signing off on it as well. And
Speaker 1: now fans have been saying it was the best tribal
Speaker 1: council ever seen in Survivor history, and I kind of
Speaker 1: tend to agree with them. So this episode's going to
Speaker 1: be kind of fun because Fraser is willing to unpack
Speaker 1: what went down. I will find out if he thinks
Speaker 1: George was right to send him home instead of Jordie.
Speaker 1: Does he think that Simon should have used his idol
Speaker 1: for Stevie? Will we find out if he think it
Speaker 1: was fair that there was that secret challenge for immunity.
Speaker 1: Whilst we're going to get plenty of exclusives from behind
Speaker 1: the scenes of the third week of Australian Survivor, which
Speaker 1: you can catch up on now on Tenplay. Anyway, let's
Speaker 1: bring Fraser into the podcast and I really hope Hi, mate,
Speaker 1: thanks for popping in and chatting about Australian Survivor.
Speaker 2: Happy to be here. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I keep laughing. I think it's
Speaker 1: because my nerves and my whole body. You haven't recovered
Speaker 1: yet from that tribal council.
Speaker 3: You think that you haven't recovered. No, it's you know what,
Speaker 3: it was such an epic moment. Crazy to watch it unfold.
Speaker 3: I think I kind of suppressed how I felt at
Speaker 3: the time. But you know, I consider it like therapy
Speaker 3: watching it back.
Speaker 1: I think they're the only person in the world that's
Speaker 1: going to say that that was like therapy. I think
Speaker 1: I need therapy afterwards. But I might be correct in
Speaker 1: saying that that was the most intense tribal council ever
Speaker 1: seen on the show.
Speaker 3: Brian, You know what, at least in all the survivor
Speaker 3: I've seen, it was intense. And I'll tell you what,
Speaker 3: being there and going through it even more difficult of
Speaker 3: a situation in real life.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was just nuts and there's no there's no other
Speaker 3: way to describe it other than hectic.
Speaker 1: Well, you seem like collateral damage in a shit storm
Speaker 1: set up to make Simon rude the day that he
Speaker 1: ever set his eyes on George.
Speaker 3: You know what, look, I think it was there were
Speaker 3: so many sliding door moments, and you can always over
Speaker 3: analyze and think, oh, what if what if I had
Speaker 3: done this differently? What if I had had this conversation
Speaker 3: with this person.
Speaker 2: And done that?
Speaker 3: But you know what, nothing will change if what actually happened.
Speaker 3: I do think I was collateral damage and I think
Speaker 3: I got caught in the cross fire took a bullet.
Speaker 2: But I'm at peace with that. And I think George.
Speaker 3: Made a really clear statement last night on when we
Speaker 3: went to tribal council that he has accomplished everything that
Speaker 3: he could have ever wanted to accomplish coming second in
Speaker 3: his previous season, So when he's come around for this
Speaker 3: time in Heroes Versus Villain season eight, he just wants
Speaker 3: to make a statement and he's there for chaos, and
Speaker 3: I think that was proven last night.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that you are absolutely correct, and I
Speaker 1: also think that there was many sliding door moments as
Speaker 1: to what could have happened in that tribal council. Do
Speaker 1: you think that having a surprise challenge, though, was fair
Speaker 1: to have been brought out at that.
Speaker 3: Moment personally having gone home, No, I don't. I think
Speaker 3: was the most unfair thing that could have happened. But
Speaker 3: you've got to be at peace with That's how the
Speaker 3: game rolls, right. It's so unpredictable, and every moment that
Speaker 3: you think it's predictable will completely derail your plans and
Speaker 3: thoughts of what was going to happen next. We knew
Speaker 3: tribeswap was so imminent, we were down to such a
Speaker 3: select handful of people and tribe mates left that it
Speaker 3: was all about the long game. We knew that things
Speaker 3: were going to change dramatically, and that's why we went
Speaker 3: into last night's decision with a plan to really shape
Speaker 3: things up.
Speaker 2: It was about long game.
Speaker 3: And for Simon to win that challenge, that was just,
Speaker 3: you know, almost a nail in my coffin that that
Speaker 3: was it and someone else is going home. And I
Speaker 3: felt so confident, even though I didn't know at that
Speaker 3: point in time that George definitely had an IDOL, I
Speaker 3: had a really strong inkling that someone as such a
Speaker 3: smart player such as George had a plan.
Speaker 1: What do you think would have happened if Simon hadn't
Speaker 1: won that immunity idol? Though? Do you think the whole
Speaker 1: thing would have changed?
Speaker 3: The whole thing would have changed. I feel super confident
Speaker 3: that whilst Simon says that he had some idea that
Speaker 3: he was going to be copying votes last night. I
Speaker 3: think he honestly only anticipated that to come from George
Speaker 3: and potentially the girls. But I felt that he felt
Speaker 3: that he was in such a strong position with the
Speaker 3: four of us myself, Jeordie, Simon and Steve, that he
Speaker 3: was in the majority and he had the numbers. So
Speaker 3: had everything gone to plan last night, no challenge and
Speaker 3: no win for individual immunity. Even if Simon felt uncertain
Speaker 3: about his position and played what he thought was an
Speaker 3: iol at the time, he would have been going home.
Speaker 1: I felt like George would have been smarter to take
Speaker 1: out Jordie, you know, seeing as he really screwed him
Speaker 1: over and came out and said, you know, look, Simon,
Speaker 1: you know you've been thrown under the bus by your mate.
Speaker 1: I mean it was so brutal that I thought, well,
Speaker 1: he's going to have to written down Jordie and not you,
Speaker 1: because you know, it seems to be an unrepairable friendship.
Speaker 1: After being so brutal, did you think it would have
Speaker 1: been smart for him to over to Jordi instead of.
Speaker 3: You, Look, it's an interesting conversation, so at the same time,
Speaker 3: if he had gotten rid of Jordy and no votes
Speaker 3: had been cast for me, then I would have felt
Speaker 3: pretty safe and we would have been a type four myself,
Speaker 3: Shiney Leaves, and George right, and I would have not
Speaker 3: felt indebted, but I would have felt probably you know,
Speaker 3: secure in that even at the lowest of the four
Speaker 3: in terms of that sort of alliance as such, you know,
Speaker 3: moving forward, I definitely would have been voting together with
Speaker 3: those three. But I think in probably George's mind at least,
Speaker 3: what he would have been thinking was, you know, look,
Speaker 3: if I do keep Jordie, he is isolated. The girls
Speaker 3: haven't voted with Jordie, so he feels like he can't
Speaker 3: trust them. Simon can't trust Jordie.
Speaker 1: You know, have you got a call Stevie with all
Speaker 1: the different lines, you know, like a serial killerboard.
Speaker 3: Like JORDI that tribal he would have been very isolated,
Speaker 3: not knowing who to trust. Same as Simon, same as Stevie.
Speaker 3: So it was the perfect play in retrospect to set
Speaker 3: George up in a majority alliance of three and then
Speaker 3: probably bring Stevie on side. And I think keeping Jordie
Speaker 3: around would probably been a decision made for the future
Speaker 3: sort of long term game that Jordi was probably considered
Speaker 3: more of a threat than I was, having been a
Speaker 3: returning player that more people from the hero's tribe would
Speaker 3: have seen him play before, so there's probably more of
Speaker 3: an argument in the future to get out Jordy instead
Speaker 3: of have people vote for himself if it came down
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 1: I like the fact that you see you yourself and
Speaker 1: Jordy as spice girls. I'm just going to I'm going
Speaker 1: to make up with spice girls. You both would be.
Speaker 1: But I was really worried for Jordie because when you
Speaker 1: flip flop and play both sides, you usually don't last
Speaker 1: very long in the game. I mean, this is not
Speaker 1: a smart game plan for Jordy from my opinion. I
Speaker 1: noticed people online yesterday saying the opposite. They thought it
Speaker 1: was great. But you know, I just think Jordie so
Speaker 1: early in this episode, you know, saying that he's going
Speaker 1: to flip flop to me had me smacking my head
Speaker 1: and the TV.
Speaker 3: Look you say that, But if it came off, then
Speaker 3: you know it's a completely different conversation. Right, So if
Speaker 3: this move had come to fruition, Simon had went home myself, Jeordie, Shawnnie,
Speaker 3: Liz and George.
Speaker 2: You know, who knows.
Speaker 3: How far that would have gone if we had a
Speaker 3: tribe swap one move later, you know, someone else who'd
Speaker 3: gone home, et cetera. But I don't think it's probably
Speaker 3: worth thinking, you know, was that a right decision. It
Speaker 3: didn't work out, and it ended up probably not being
Speaker 3: a good.
Speaker 2: Decision for us in the end.
Speaker 3: But no one could have known that that twist of
Speaker 3: a challenge mid tribal was going to happen.
Speaker 1: But would it be fair to say that maybe the
Speaker 1: Spice girls wouldn't have followed the vote to get rid
Speaker 1: of Jordie, Like maybe it was better for him to
Speaker 1: say you, for George to say you, because the girls
Speaker 1: felt like I think that they played into the plan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, look, you're definitely right.
Speaker 3: Look, I think, however, that they had such blind faith
Speaker 3: for George's strategy and his mind and where he saw
Speaker 3: the game was going, that if he had made an
Speaker 3: argument to vote Jordie or Stevie, that they probably would
Speaker 3: have gone with it. You know that there's history there
Speaker 3: between Shannie and Stevie, right, So I think that if
Speaker 3: he had made an argument for that they would have
Speaker 3: jumped on board, but it just happened that, at least
Speaker 3: last night, George saw a better circumstance of voting me,
Speaker 3: and I'm.
Speaker 2: Okay with that.
Speaker 1: Well, Stevie played right into the emotions of George's what
Speaker 1: I call jungle book snake routine. Do you think he
Speaker 1: will forgive Simon or you know, do you think that
Speaker 1: alliance has now imploded, you know, for good?
Speaker 3: If I'm judging from what I saw last night, I
Speaker 3: do think that there's Look, I know Stevie. I spent
Speaker 3: a lot of time with him on the beach. He's
Speaker 3: an interesting individual. He's got such an amazing story. But
Speaker 3: I do think that trust, friendship are really really important
Speaker 3: things to him. And I don't know, honestly if that
Speaker 3: relationship between himself and Simon can be mended. Right by
Speaker 3: George baiting Simon, trying to get him to burn his
Speaker 3: idol for no other reason other than to get rid
Speaker 3: of it and so that it's no longer in the game,
Speaker 3: knowing full well that Stevie was not going to be
Speaker 3: taking enough votes to send him home, and then Simon
Speaker 3: not willing to save his friend and his ally Stevie.
Speaker 3: I think that that relationship is probably burned.
Speaker 1: Were you sitting there thinking Simon is so wrong? Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you were Simon and you had that
Speaker 1: opportunity to play this idol for Stevie, what would you
Speaker 1: have done? I mean, I still think you know, he
Speaker 1: had to look out for himself. I mean, maybe he
Speaker 1: would only save himself some time. Maybe he would be
Speaker 1: only there for two more tribal counsels, but in that time,
Speaker 1: dynamics change, Things change on a dime, So maybe he
Speaker 1: needed to keep it instead of playing for Stevie.
Speaker 2: And I think that comes back to Simon's game last season, right,
Speaker 2: I think that really comes back to his sort of
Speaker 2: I would imagine that he's quite frightful on not playing
Speaker 2: idols correctly, and that becomes this really nervous sort of
Speaker 2: decision around what to do.
Speaker 3: And it looks as much as you've got to work
Speaker 3: with people, it is a selfish game. You have to
Speaker 3: have your best interest in mind one hundred percent of
Speaker 3: the time. You only go along with someone else's plan
Speaker 3: if it suits your best interests as well, But you
Speaker 3: make them believe like you're doing them a favor by
Speaker 3: voting alongside them, right, And I think he just knew
Speaker 3: that he couldn't play it for Stevie after what had
Speaker 3: just erupted at Tribal And if that hadn't been out it,
Speaker 3: if Jordi hadn't been out it as betraying his friend Simon,
Speaker 3: then maybe he would have played it. But I think
Speaker 3: he felt very unsafe at that point in time. It
Speaker 3: was probably the right call to hold on to it.
Speaker 3: And even if he had tried to play it, you
Speaker 3: would you know, it would it would have done nothing
Speaker 3: for his game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about the conflict between Simon and George because
Speaker 1: it seems quite toxic and it really has divided audiences over.
Speaker 2: Quite toxic, incredibly toxic.
Speaker 1: I know. Do you think this is just good television
Speaker 1: and the boys are playing up to their roles or
Speaker 1: should this kind of behavior be called out? And are
Speaker 1: people right by saying that it has no place in survivor?
Speaker 3: You know what? It was quite tit for tat, you know,
Speaker 3: and it was there was a boiling point, right, There
Speaker 3: was tension around camp and we saw some glimpses of
Speaker 3: that in last night's episode in terms of little comments
Speaker 3: and remarks here and there. They both just got on
Speaker 3: each other's nerves, and it's and it's easy to happen
Speaker 3: in such a confined environment where there is no off switch,
Speaker 3: there is no time off. It's one hundred percent of
Speaker 3: the time that you're just surrounded by these individuals and
Speaker 3: that you have to get along when you don't. So
Speaker 3: it definitely escalated a lot, a lot higher than anyone
Speaker 3: would have expected. And I think you're right. I think
Speaker 3: one element of that is them wanting maybe a TV moment.
Speaker 3: They both played the game before, they know what is
Speaker 3: shown and what isn't. And you know, it did make
Speaker 3: for some good entertainment. I think it did, you know,
Speaker 3: And it was interesting. Jeordie did step in at the end.
Speaker 3: He said, guys, guys like, stop bickering. We're here to
Speaker 3: have fun. Let's give Fraser's moment, you know, as I
Speaker 3: was sort of walking out, obviously to get my torch
Speaker 3: staff by Jonathan. So you know, I'm happy that they
Speaker 3: made peace for two minutes while I was able to
Speaker 3: do that and actually leave with my head held high
Speaker 3: and say proper goodbyes to everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was nice. I mean, it was nice to them.
Speaker 1: I mean the interesting thing for me is I think
Speaker 1: a lot of these elements are really hard to watch,
Speaker 1: but they're my favorite because people in the real world
Speaker 1: do bad things. I think it's completely unrealistic of fans
Speaker 1: to believe that these contestants in high pressure situations are
Speaker 1: going to behave in a PG normal, nice and peace
Speaker 1: loving format.
Speaker 3: You know, so one percent and this is the you know,
Speaker 3: this is the height of emotional instability, right You're on
Speaker 3: a beach, sleeping there with very little food ration and
Speaker 3: physically telling yourself day and day out, a constant nervous
Speaker 3: wreck from you know, the mental game of what this
Speaker 3: is and judging each and every person's move and conversation. Right,
Speaker 3: So it really puts you in this state of sort
Speaker 3: of I don't even know what to call it, but
Speaker 3: just yeah, yeah, pretty emotionally unstable.
Speaker 1: My gosh. I mean it was such such good television
Speaker 1: from my perspective. I mean, I love when people I
Speaker 1: love good and bad. I love when people are exceptionally
Speaker 1: good on TV, and I love when they're terrible because
Speaker 1: it's engaging and it's reflective of society. And I think
Speaker 1: you're right.
Speaker 2: I think I agree with you for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, you were playing a very good game, I thought,
Speaker 1: and you know, I've already interviewed people coming out of
Speaker 1: the show who had acknowledged you, and one I hasn't
Speaker 1: even said that you were their pick to win, and
Speaker 1: said that your gameplay was so strong. You know, you
Speaker 1: seem to be waiting in the wings for your own
Speaker 1: sort of triumphant storyline in hindsight, now that you know
Speaker 1: that you were used as collateral damage, so easily would
Speaker 1: you play or would you have played things differently?
Speaker 3: I think what I've gained from this experience, and you know,
Speaker 3: you're very knowledgeable about the show, and I think you
Speaker 3: very sort of experience and you have a really great understanding.
Speaker 2: So it's awesome to sort of hear your opinion.
Speaker 3: But I think the one thing that if I was,
Speaker 3: if I did have a chance to play again.
Speaker 2: I would just be more ruthless. You know.
Speaker 3: Look, I came in with a very very clear strategy
Speaker 3: and plan, and that was to lay low under the radar.
Speaker 3: You know, do not step out of turn, do not
Speaker 3: say anything outrageous and crazy like you see George saying,
Speaker 3: and to get along, make good friendships, make honest friendships,
Speaker 3: and do not feel like you're selling people.
Speaker 2: And I think that's people's downfall. For example, like Michael.
Speaker 3: You know, I think too early on, he just came
Speaker 3: on way too hard, right, and people saw through it,
Speaker 3: and people didn't feel that it was real. You know
Speaker 3: that this friendship or alignment was really based on just
Speaker 3: his goals. It was completely selfish, right, So that I think,
Speaker 3: and I think that's why it did eventuate in his downfall.
Speaker 3: I would like to say that I'd probably play a
Speaker 3: little bit more ruthless if a second chance season came around.
Speaker 3: But you know, I'm still I'm still happy with everything
Speaker 3: that I did. I made some great friendships. It was
Speaker 3: a crazy experience once in a lifetime and twice if
Speaker 3: you're lucky.
Speaker 2: So you know what.
Speaker 1: Three times if you're lucky, shone he's back for the
Speaker 1: first time. You know, like the story isn't over, And
Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder how you feel with you know,
Speaker 1: the other opinion that these returnees. I mean, you're saying
Speaker 1: you'd like to come back, but people are saying that
Speaker 1: people shouldn't come back because of the unfair advantage. Do
Speaker 1: you think that this time around, we're getting major storylines
Speaker 1: for the returnees and that is allowing for the newbies
Speaker 1: to be treated like their toys.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I do agree that there is a really
Speaker 3: strong advantage by being a returning player. You just have
Speaker 3: this intimate knowledge of what's to come, which probably gives
Speaker 3: you this real sense of calm and you know that
Speaker 3: it'll be okay, right, you know, whereas as a new
Speaker 3: player coming into the game, as much as I didn't
Speaker 3: want to show it, you are constantly nervous at every turn, right,
Speaker 3: and you know, and that leads to you know, maybe
Speaker 3: not the best decision making, you know, when you're sort
Speaker 3: of in this really heightened state of chaos of the mind. Right,
Speaker 3: So you know, I think there is a really big
Speaker 3: advantage of being a returning player. So maybe you know
Speaker 3: the answer there is that if there is a season
Speaker 3: with returning players, that they only play against returning players,
Speaker 3: not newbies.
Speaker 1: Well that's the good point that you're making because of
Speaker 1: just like you know, you know, when you go to
Speaker 1: the zoo and you'd see them feed the animals and
Speaker 1: the animals would play with the food. They wouldn't just
Speaker 1: eat it, they'd throw it around. And I feel like
Speaker 1: with the new bees, that's what we're seeing. We're seeing
Speaker 1: these returning players know the game so well that they're
Speaker 1: not just eating you, They're playing with their food.
Speaker 3: Look, yes and no, But I mean I don't agree
Speaker 3: because at the same time, whilst returning players know the
Speaker 3: game intimately, they also do feel a lot of pressure
Speaker 3: because they want to live up to or do better
Speaker 3: than however they did last time, and to leave the
Speaker 3: game unfinished to do or to be voted out earlier,
Speaker 3: would be a massive kill to their confidence and pride
Speaker 3: in what they've achieved.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I think if George was to come second in a
Speaker 3: previous season and then to go out in the first
Speaker 3: two boats, it would almost unravel how he felt about
Speaker 3: his first time round.
Speaker 1: I mean, George, I don't necessari you know, George is
Speaker 1: an interesting cat because I don't necessarily know if you
Speaker 1: could change his opinion of himself in the game, even
Speaker 1: if he was voted out first.
Speaker 3: You know, I think you're probably right with that, with
Speaker 3: that person in particular.
Speaker 1: You know, the people's love of these programs, you know. Look,
Speaker 1: they brought Big Brother back and did a special edition
Speaker 1: of that, and I didn't get asked to come back,
Speaker 1: but it certainly didn't change my opinion of that show.
Speaker 1: I still loved it, and everyone expected me to turn
Speaker 1: against it and burn the thing down where I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I love this format so much that I was ready
Speaker 1: to be a viewer again and enjoy it for what
Speaker 1: it is. You know, some people's love of these programs,
Speaker 1: I think is bigger than just them returning to come
Speaker 1: back and win.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I guess you just return to what you said,
Speaker 3: like as much as their returning players do, you know,
Speaker 3: have the benefit of knowledge and insight being a player
Speaker 3: once before. I don't think it's probably fair to say
Speaker 3: for all new players that we were just toys that
Speaker 3: they play with, because I'm very excited to see how
Speaker 3: there's a lot of new players still on both tribes right,
Speaker 3: and I think there's a pretty fair shot that any
Speaker 3: one of us have actually being there, you know, come
Speaker 3: the end, So I'm super excited to see how it
Speaker 3: plays out.
Speaker 1: I also think it's important to say that I believe
Speaker 1: I don't know this accurately, but I believe that, you know,
Speaker 1: Simon and George were together on the weekend before the
Speaker 1: episode played, which I think is in good faith of
Speaker 1: the fact that these two men don't really hate each other.
Speaker 1: It was television rivalry.
Speaker 3: Yes and no, or do they just want to, you know,
Speaker 3: to have the exposure of each other's profile.
Speaker 2: You know, who knows right?
Speaker 1: Maybe pushing there fifteen minutes. I think it's what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Maybe you know, you know, there's there's always an agenda
Speaker 3: in mind when I think it comes to George, So
Speaker 3: you know, look, yeah, I think I think it's a
Speaker 3: good thing to sort of make amends and move on
Speaker 3: and at the end of the day, it is a game.
Speaker 1: Well, everyone that's been joining the podcast, I've not been
Speaker 1: asking behind the scenes secret, which is what I do
Speaker 1: on this podcast. I always asked for behind the scenes secret,
Speaker 1: sort of pushing that aside to ask people if you
Speaker 1: were like, actually, I'll ask it the other way around.
Speaker 1: So like when you left the show, not basically what
Speaker 1: you know now, but when you walked out of the show,
Speaker 1: I believe people ask you who do you think is
Speaker 1: going to win? Who do you think is going to win?
Speaker 1: At the point of view leaving the competition last.
Speaker 3: Night, I look, it was It's so hard to say
Speaker 3: because it was just insane, but I honest like immediate
Speaker 3: thoughts was I would really really love Jordy to win,
Speaker 3: and whether or not that's accurate or you know, everyone's
Speaker 3: going to have their own opinion.
Speaker 2: Jordi is a legend. I think he is the most
Speaker 2: deserving and I think he's a real survivor. So he's
Speaker 2: got you know what, if we were sitting there at
Speaker 2: the end, he's got my vote.
Speaker 1: I love Jordi too. I was actually only talking to
Speaker 1: in one of the other publicists from ten today and
Speaker 1: I just was like, you know, everyone's always talking about
Speaker 1: their order of who's the hottest, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but he might not necessarily be on site
Speaker 1: the hottest to look at straight away, but because of
Speaker 1: who he is, A is a he's just so appealing
Speaker 1: to me, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look I don't go that way, but he is
Speaker 3: hot stuff. Jordy is you know, like you.
Speaker 1: Can have a man we can all have a man crush,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well so you know, if you're listening to this journy,
Speaker 2: you're my man crush. I got.
Speaker 1: And if you were to be brought back, what is
Speaker 1: a theme that would suit you? Because I've been asking
Speaker 1: this question to people because everyone would love to come back.
Speaker 1: You know, it could be quite achievers versus noisy players.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's a theme that you think would work.
Speaker 2: Well, that that definitely makes sense. You know.
Speaker 3: Look, I think I kept to my own you know,
Speaker 3: in this in this season. I think that shows and
Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of the supporters, a lot
Speaker 3: of the really positive comments.
Speaker 2: And people that are messaging and following.
Speaker 3: My journey in Survivor, you know, Heroes versus Villains season
Speaker 3: eight was that I was calculated and I was careful,
Speaker 3: and I was cautious of not giving too much away
Speaker 3: while still being you know, still having that level of
Speaker 3: camaraderie and you know, getting around and getting around and
Speaker 3: getting amongst the others.
Speaker 2: So potentially quite achiever.
Speaker 3: Look, when Survivor calls you jump, so whatever season they've
Speaker 3: got for you coming up, you take the opportunity with
Speaker 3: both hands and you run with it.
Speaker 1: It'll be like drag Queens versus dragons and you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm a dragon.
Speaker 2: I could be a snake. Could be a snake, maybe
Speaker 2: not a dragon. Look, I'll take it. However you want
Speaker 2: to pay me, let's do it.
Speaker 1: You have a lot of fans out there. I noticed
Speaker 1: that a lot over the last few weeks. I think
Speaker 1: that you struck a call with people, even though you
Speaker 1: were a quite achiever. You were fantastic to watch on
Speaker 1: the show, and I really appreciate this chatter to you today,
Speaker 1: especially after such a big tribal council that you know,
Speaker 1: you're sort of a spectator in as well. Getting your
Speaker 1: opinions has been vital, so I thank you so much.
Speaker 3: No, I really appreciate for the opportunity to speak, sort
Speaker 3: of talk it through, and yeah, bless for the opportunity,
Speaker 3: So thank you.