1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families Podcast. 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time poor parent who just answers. 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 3: Now. 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 4: Every Tuesday on the Happy Families Podcast, we answer your 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 4: listener questions and we've got two people who are visited 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 4: Happy families dot com dot You pressed on the button 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 4: on the podcast page where you get to talk to 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 4: us and tell us what's on your mind. Kylie and I, 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 4: between the two of us have something like one hundred 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 4: and five years of combined parenting experience. That is, we've 11 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 4: got six children, and if you add up all their ages, 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 4: it's more than one hundred years. We've been doing this 13 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 4: for a while. We reckon, We've got some stuff to share. Plus, 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 4: I've written nine books about how to have a happier family, 15 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 4: and we just reckon we can be helpful. So Daniel 16 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 4: is the first person to send us something. Here's what 17 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 4: Daniel had to say. 18 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: Hi, Justin and Kylie, huge fan of everything you do. 19 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: I'm a divorced father who shares care of an eight 20 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: year old daughter with someone who doesn't share my positive 21 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 3: parenting style or first for education, particularly when it comes 22 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 3: to homework. My daughter is in intelligent and showing signs 23 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 3: of being a perfectionist, which she gets from me. So 24 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: she's a prime candidate of anxiety. What strategies do you 25 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 3: recommend to support her? She will get pressure from her 26 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 3: mum and teach her to do homework and feel pressure 27 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 3: to do it at our house instead of having craft 28 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 3: noons and being a kid, just so she doesn't get 29 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: punished when she goes back there. 30 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: So I've never heard the word crafternoons. 31 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 4: Don't you love it? Though? 32 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 2: But I want to have lots of them. 33 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, sounds great, sounds great, Kylie. I'm going to 34 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 4: jump straight in and just say this. Cop pairing is 35 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 4: really hard. Co parenting is really really hard. I've talked 36 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 4: to so many people who just shrug their shoulders and say, 37 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 4: don't think it's actually possible. Now, there's plenty of people 38 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 4: who get it right, but there's a reason that you're 39 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 4: not together, and that's what makes co parenting so hard. 40 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 4: So picking your battles matters and avoiding battles as much 41 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 4: as you can is absolutely huge. There are some apps 42 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 4: for co paring. By the way, hashtag not sponsored, but 43 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 4: there are some apps for co paring that can be 44 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 4: super helpful. Our Family Wizard and two Houses are the 45 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 4: ones that I've seen that seem to have the best reviews. 46 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 4: Those apps don't address the specific issue that you've raised, 47 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 4: but they could be a useful foundation moving forward. So, Kylie, 48 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 4: when you hear this particular question, what stands out to 49 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 4: you initially? 50 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: First of all, it just feels like it's a really 51 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,839 Speaker 2: really hard space to sit in as a parent who 52 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 2: wants to do the best by their child, but there's 53 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: an equal parent on the other side who wants the 54 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,839 Speaker 2: best for their child as well. And never the twain 55 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 2: should meet. 56 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 4: Even though they I mean looking at diametrically different positions 57 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 4: on an issue in both saying this is what's best. Yeah, 58 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 4: so we need to give both parents benefit of doubt here. 59 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 2: Going on a small tangent, I remember when one of 60 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: our daughters received the news that she had a dust allergy. 61 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: A normal reading for an ellergan as one hundred. She 62 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: had a four thousand, one hundred reading for dust. So, 63 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 2: as a typical mum, I went into absolute hypervigilance mode 64 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,239 Speaker 2: and I tried to remove every every possible speck of 65 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: dust in our house. I ordered hyperalergenic sheets and mattress 66 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 2: protectors and all kinds of things and except for ripping 67 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: out the carpet that we had literally laid a few 68 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: weeks earlier. I did everything I could to eliminate dust 69 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: in her day to day life. When I went back 70 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: to the doctors, he just acknowledged to me that I 71 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: could spend every waking moment doing that, and not only 72 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: would I destroy her childhood in the process, I would 73 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: go balmi trying to do it. And I feel like 74 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: that kind of plays out here a little bit. We've 75 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: got a dad he really recognizes and can see how 76 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: important it is to have those crafternoons and have that 77 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: downtime after school. But at the end of the day, 78 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: is it the most important thing? Is it the thing 79 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: that's going to bring the most value to her life? 80 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: Recognizing that there is a significant difference in opinion on 81 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: the other side. 82 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 4: So, I mean, my position on homework for a long 83 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 4: time has been well known, and that is that there 84 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 4: is no evidence that doing homework when your kids are 85 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 4: in primary school is going to be good for them 86 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 4: other than reading. Having said that, in this situation, if 87 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 4: dad puts his foot down and says, my daughter is 88 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 4: not going to do homework while she's at my home, 89 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 4: it just puts the daughter in a really difficult spot. 90 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 4: She ends up bearing the brunt of it because you've 91 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 4: got a teacher who's pushing for it, and you've got 92 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 4: a mum who's pushing for it. And ultimately dad doesn't 93 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 4: pay the price, the daughter pays the price. And I 94 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 4: homework is not that big of a deal. I mean, 95 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 4: is it great for kids to be doing it? It's 96 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 4: hard to argue. There's good evidence that kids should be 97 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 4: doing homework, but in the scheme of things, there are 98 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 4: a whole lot of other things that are going to 99 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 4: make a much bigger difference in terms of her well 100 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 4: being and her academic outcomes. So I look at this 101 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 4: and think she's probably going to be able to do it. 102 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 4: Just find anyway, based on what her characteristics have been 103 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 4: described as. Let her do it, and then do the 104 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 4: other stuff as well. Have the cra afternoon once the 105 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 4: homework's done. I mean, I used to be really hardcore 106 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 4: about this, but I've eased right off. That's how I 107 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 4: would be approaching it. We've got to be peacemakers. We've 108 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 4: got to find ways that we can make things work. 109 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: I think, where possible, one of the most important protective 110 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: factors for our kids is having predictable structure in routine 111 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: in their lives. If she's going from mum's house to 112 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: dad's house and the structure and the routine changes all 113 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: the time, that actually causes so much anxiety and stress 114 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: in and of itself without all of the other factors. So, 115 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 2: like you said, homework isn't that important. No, it really isn't, 116 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 2: especially at this age. But if it's not causing any 117 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: stress on her end, if she's doing it and she's 118 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: happy to do it and she's not feeling frustrated because 119 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 2: she doesn't know how to do the work, then I 120 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 2: think it's a bit of a no brainer. 121 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 4: Yes, it might be a concern. Just while we're on 122 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 4: this is the labeling of perfectionism and highlighting the potential 123 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 4: for anxiety. What I would also encourage is for you 124 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 4: to go back and have listened to our Thomas current podcasts. 125 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 4: We did it across two parts. He's written a book 126 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 4: called The Perfection Trap. What I would really be encouraging 127 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 4: is that when you've got an eight year old, especially 128 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 4: in this situation, reduce the focus on outcomes, play and 129 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 4: have fun. Steer away from anything where there's going to 130 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 4: be this really anxiety inducing environment with what's going on 131 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 4: with the copiring environment that's already there. Enough, let's reduce 132 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 4: the pressure and make this feel easier. Here we go 133 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 4: with our second question today via happy families dot com 134 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 4: dot you and the easy to use podcast button at 135 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 4: the podcast link Happy families dot com dot you number two. 136 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: Hi. Justin my names Emily. I'm the parent to Theodore, 137 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: who is thirteen months old. I have a question. I'm 138 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: listening to Ten Things Every Parent Needs to Know, and 139 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: I'm listening to it a bit about play. 140 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 2: I think in that chapter. 141 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: Thirteen or fourteen, at the moment where you talk about 142 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: kids around the age of like two to three start 143 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: to get real social benefits, Theodore isn't in kind of 144 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: day preschool yet, and I'm just wondering, do you have 145 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: any advice about it an age that would be good 146 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: to start, not necessarily every day and maybe just a 147 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: couple of days a week. I'm just kind of wondering 148 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: if there's like an ideal or an age that we 149 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: should have started by. Thanks so much. Bye. 150 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: My initial response is similar to what age should I 151 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: start my kids at school? I'm actually going to say delay, delay, delay. 152 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, not everyone has the privilege to be able to 153 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 4: make this choice, but it's wonderful if you can. There 154 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 4: are some families where you have the child and your 155 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 4: child just needs to go back into care because paying 156 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 4: the mortgage, paying the rent, paying for living costs is 157 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 4: so expensive these days. But in Emily's case, what a 158 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 4: wonderful opportunity to do this. The first thing that I 159 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 4: want to mention other than delay is go back and 160 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 4: have listened to our podcast, episode number nine hundred and 161 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 4: forty seven. It dropped on March the twelfth, just over 162 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 4: a month ago, month and a half ago. Janet Ericsson 163 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 4: is a researcher who's been working with the number one 164 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 4: researcher on the planet, a researcher by the name of 165 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 4: Jay Belski, who has pretty much said the same thing. 166 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 4: Their research is delay as long as you reasonably can. 167 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 4: Your children are going to be better off with you, 168 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 4: so long as you're a safe and healthy parent, And 169 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 4: it sounds like Emily is that's going to be the 170 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 4: absolute ideal. Kylie, you used to work in early childcare. 171 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 4: You looked after babies from the very youngest right up 172 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 4: until they launched into school. What other advice would you 173 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 4: have as somebody who's worked in that industry for such 174 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 4: a long time. 175 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: If you're looking at childcare as your child's social outlet, 176 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: if that's the only reason that you are wanting to 177 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: put your kids in childcare, while there are definitely benefits 178 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: from being in the system, I think that research really 179 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 2: clearly makes the argument that your children are going to 180 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: be emotionally and socially more rounded and better off when 181 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: they have the nurturing environment of mum and dad as 182 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: much as possible. So where you are able to utilize 183 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: other social networks within your community, your children are going 184 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 2: to benefit from that so much more. Smaller groups definitely 185 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: create better quality relationship and interaction. And when we do 186 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: that in the comfort of our backyard, in our home 187 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: or at a park and it's just one or two 188 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 2: other kids, the capacity for our kids to learn the 189 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: social skills needed to navigate the challenges that relationships bring 190 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: with them. With the loving interaction, support and scaffolding of 191 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 2: a caregiver, a parent or close family member, there's just 192 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 2: so much more added benefit to that than being one 193 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: of many with only one caregiver or two caregivers to 194 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,599 Speaker 2: take care of a number of children. 195 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 4: Yees. So I mean, when I hear what you're saying, 196 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 4: my summary would be kids going to nurture better relationships, 197 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 4: better social skills, better emotional skills if they're in natural 198 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 4: and unstructured environments with people that know them and love them, 199 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 4: and you're going to get better care from a parent 200 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 4: than a paid provider. Not that I'm throwing a paid providers. 201 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 4: They do job, and we really do need more people 202 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 4: to work in that nurturing environment. But you're more likely 203 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 4: to provide that enriching environment and provide the care that 204 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 4: your children need if it's you doing it rather than 205 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 4: somebody paid. 206 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. 207 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 4: The other thought that's popped into my mind as I 208 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 4: was thinking about the research is when you do stop 209 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 4: delaying and decide to put your kids into childcare again, 210 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 4: if you've got the privilege of making that decision when 211 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 4: it suits you. The research does suggest that if the 212 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 4: kids don't have a consistent routine around it and are 213 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 4: not doing enough hours, that will actually that will work 214 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 4: against them. They need to know that they're going in 215 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 4: let's say two days a week. The research showed that 216 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 4: anything less than nine hours per week and it feels 217 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 4: too haphazard. It doesn't feel like there's structure and routine. 218 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 4: It feels unpredictable. So we want to make sure that 219 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 4: routine is there and that they're getting at least nine 220 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 4: hours a week so they know what's happening and when 221 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 4: and they can form stable relationships in the childcare environment. 222 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 4: So day care matters and it will be useful for 223 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 4: your children at some point, but to the extent that 224 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 4: you can delay. Check out episode nine hundred forty seven 225 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 4: from Jenet Ericsson on March the twelfth. 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