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Speaker 1: On today's episode with Garrek, the eighth eliminated contestant from
Speaker 1: this year's Australian Survivor on Network ten, I will be
Speaker 1: talking about his time in Samoa and of course what
Speaker 1: he thinks now that the smoke has well and truly
Speaker 1: been snuffed out on his torch. Australian Survivor Titans Versus
Speaker 1: Rebels is a showdown that pits the winners against the
Speaker 1: underdogs and the big wigs against the battlers, with each
Speaker 1: player competing for the grand prize of half a million dollars.
Speaker 1: Garreck is a loss prevention officer from Queensland. Initially a
Speaker 1: loyal member of Ferris and Kirby's majority alliance. However, as
Speaker 1: we know, that went to shit after he felt portrayed
Speaker 1: by Kirby's duplicity in the First Tribal Council, which was
Speaker 1: where Garrick and Ferris developed their stronger version to Kirby's
Speaker 1: position in the Rebels tribe. After the tribal switch, it
Speaker 1: was obvious to everyone involved that the fractured Rebels team
Speaker 1: had turned on themselves, with Garrek becoming the most vocal
Speaker 1: in getting rid of Kirby as soon as possible. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: Kirby saw the writing on the wall first and won
Speaker 1: out by swaying the Rebels block and successfully knocked Garrek
Speaker 1: out of the competition. Garrek will discuss who is to
Speaker 1: blame for his elimination and explain who are the dirty
Speaker 1: dogs that he holds responsible. We will talk about Garreck's
Speaker 1: position and get some understanding if the rules of tracking
Speaker 1: a petty thief works in the Game of Australian Survivor.
Speaker 1: I will get to the bottom of the growing battle
Speaker 1: of the Beast with Garrek's perspective on Kirby and Ferris
Speaker 1: and why both of them are fighting for that top
Speaker 1: dog position. Plus, we will find out if he's been
Speaker 1: able to let things go Obviously we saw him quite
Speaker 1: cross at the end of that episode, but we'll also
Speaker 1: find out if it ever hath worked with Kirby again.
Speaker 1: There's actually so much to unpack with Garrek, and I
Speaker 1: have to be honest and say this is a surprise
Speaker 1: to me, but I've enjoyed chatting to Grek more than
Speaker 1: anyone else this season so far. So sit back and
Speaker 1: relax as we dive just that little bit deeper into
Speaker 1: the world of Australian Survivor. I just want to start
Speaker 1: off this podcast by saying that I had a dream
Speaker 1: when you first turned up as a preview to be
Speaker 1: on the series, that you arrested me for something. And
Speaker 1: I was like, that's when you know a Survivor player
Speaker 1: has penetrated the psyche when you're dreaming about them.
Speaker 2: I'd love to know what you were stealing. I want
Speaker 2: to do anything wrong while I'm around.
Speaker 1: Well we know that now. PS don't start a podcast
Speaker 1: by telling your guests that you've been dreaming about them.
Speaker 2: Now, I take that on board. That's not bad.
Speaker 1: How are you anyway? Are you a right?
Speaker 3: Look, it's just a bugger, But I'm all good. Like
Speaker 3: the anxiety has started to subside.
Speaker 2: I've stopped screaming why me? I'm good now? Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 1: But what are your neighbors thinking of you? Watching Survivor
Speaker 1: three nights a week? Are they okay? Have they they
Speaker 1: moved house?
Speaker 2: They've moved.
Speaker 3: I noticed a couple of them walk past and look
Speaker 3: up in the window during the evening.
Speaker 1: Crying and screaming and laughing. I mean, this is this
Speaker 1: is a general reaction to anyone being on reality TV.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, for sure?
Speaker 1: What a right? I mean the last thirty minutes of
Speaker 1: your time in Survivor, I was sweating watching it, and
Speaker 1: I've watched episode twice and I had the same reaction
Speaker 1: knowing the result.
Speaker 3: I guarantee you weren't sweating as much as I was.
Speaker 3: And I didn't know the outcome either, so I was
Speaker 3: as blind as you. I knew I was going home,
Speaker 3: but I didn't know the where's in the house and
Speaker 3: who's and how it all eventuated.
Speaker 1: Have you watched the Extended Tribal Council, by the way,
Speaker 1: because I don't normally watch that, but I watched that
Speaker 1: this morning where you get to see everyone's rationale, like
Speaker 1: when they hand out. Have you watched that yet?
Speaker 2: I haven't, Man.
Speaker 3: I just I got up last night and I just went,
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm going to bed, I'm turning my
Speaker 3: phone off and I'm going to get up late.
Speaker 2: So I haven't done anything. Today will be the day.
Speaker 1: Who are the most angry at? At this point? You
Speaker 1: mentioned the dogs at the end of the episode. Instead
Speaker 1: of the Dogs being the sanction of that blindside, which
Speaker 1: I'm assuming is from those original Titans from at least Winner,
Speaker 1: Charles Valaria, Kelly and Scott right.
Speaker 2: The Dirty Dogs was really Winner and Scottie, I mean.
Speaker 1: Scott when he votes for you, he says, I love you, man,
Speaker 1: and I just had to do this because you were
Speaker 1: Ferris's right hand man. I mean, he looks like a
Speaker 1: very genuine man. I have never never met him myself,
Speaker 1: but I got the impression that he's a very genuine person.
Speaker 1: And he did look like it pained him to make
Speaker 1: that decision. It seemed like he was forced into it.
Speaker 3: It's crazy because Scotty and I from the very word
Speaker 3: go were bed buddies. We slept beside each other every night,
Speaker 3: whispered this sweet nothings. We had such a beautiful relationship
Speaker 3: every night, and we were aligned. We had myself, Eileen
Speaker 3: and Scotty had a very secret alliance. I did bring
Speaker 3: Ferris in at one stage there. Ferris had a difficulty
Speaker 3: trusting Aileen, whereas I said to you know, she's good,
Speaker 3: and then Aileen had a difficulty in the end trusting Scotty.
Speaker 3: And she's the one who informed me what was going on,
Speaker 3: and whereas Scotty was telling me completely the opposite. So
Speaker 3: I really loved Scotty. I still do in the end
Speaker 3: of the day. It's a game, and I don't any grudges.
Speaker 3: I have no regrets whatsoever. But him and Winner were
Speaker 3: telling me what I wanted to hear, and that's why
Speaker 3: they were the dirty dogs.
Speaker 1: I mean, it is the game of Survivor, and I
Speaker 1: mean these players are all just playing exactly what I
Speaker 1: guess the game of Survivor is, and it is to lie,
Speaker 1: cheat and steal. And you protested that going into the show,
Speaker 1: so I mean, you know what you sign up for.
Speaker 3: I lied and cheated as well. But the certain things
Speaker 3: that I don't get. When you are aligned with somebody
Speaker 3: and you say, okay, this is what we're going to do,
Speaker 3: I'm more of the line and cheek to the ones
Speaker 3: that you're not aligned with, get information from them, give
Speaker 3: them information that can help you and not hindrance to
Speaker 3: you gain.
Speaker 2: But when you're aligned with somebody and they're the ones giving,
Speaker 2: that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: I would never have done that with Ferris Faris, would
Speaker 3: never have done that with me in the very beginning,
Speaker 3: Kirby and I were tight as we were so tight.
Speaker 3: I hadn't even spoken really to Ferris at that stage,
Speaker 3: and Kirby and I spoke, we're going to go through
Speaker 3: this together. And then when she did the flip on
Speaker 3: the challenge, Well, that doesn't make sense. If we're aligned,
Speaker 3: why not just tell me even if I don't go
Speaker 3: with that plan, or even if I'm not one hundred
Speaker 3: percent with that.
Speaker 2: Plan, at least informally, that that's what reliance means.
Speaker 1: But is there any more perspective being thrown on that
Speaker 1: once watching the show? Have you been able to rationalize
Speaker 1: what she did in any other capacity now that you've
Speaker 1: seen the full.
Speaker 2: With the throw of the challenge, that first.
Speaker 1: Week throw of the challenge? Yep, which is what I
Speaker 1: guess is the root of the issue with both of you.
Speaker 1: Now that you've watched it as a show. How does
Speaker 1: it make you feel? Has has it changed the way
Speaker 1: you felt about it at the time?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I just don't get it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get into that in a little bit
Speaker 1: because I'm kind of getting a little bit ahead of myself,
Speaker 1: because I really do want to ask you, you know,
Speaker 1: off the back of just working out who those dogs
Speaker 1: were in your mind. I did really want to find
Speaker 1: out what you feel about Ferris, because he should have
Speaker 1: played the idol. And I'm assuming that when you turned
Speaker 1: to him and it was very clearly said that you said,
Speaker 1: I'm going home to Ferris. Was that your plea for
Speaker 1: his idol?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And why didn't he do that? I mean, why didn't
Speaker 1: he give that to you? Aileen's there saying to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe I'll never know. I don't know what.
Speaker 1: And I'm sort of propressoring you into a conversation about
Speaker 1: this because I wonder whether now there is a perspective
Speaker 1: over whether Ferris and Kirby are both just playing a
Speaker 1: very hard game and they've both done the wrong thing
Speaker 1: by you.
Speaker 2: What a horrible thought.
Speaker 1: I don't have ruined any friendships, mate.
Speaker 3: Look, I honestly don't know. When we were in camp
Speaker 3: before before we walked out to the tribal, I knew it.
Speaker 3: I had already worked out in my head that we
Speaker 3: didn't have the numbers. Ferris was convinced in his head
Speaker 3: the original Titans were with him. Whilst Ferris and Raymond
Speaker 3: were playing their frivolities in the water, yelling and screaming.
Speaker 3: I was laying in the hammock watching and I knew it.
Speaker 3: I seen the tells, I heard the little whispers. I
Speaker 3: even caught it just a moment trick out of one
Speaker 3: of their mouths.
Speaker 2: So I knew.
Speaker 3: And at that stage, I said to Feris, mate, we
Speaker 3: don't have the numbers. I guarantee you we don't have
Speaker 3: the numbers. And I even said to him, I don't
Speaker 3: believe Kelly has an idol. And if she doesn't pull
Speaker 3: it out, play your ider for me, because I know
Speaker 3: I'm going home. And Ferris was convinced, No, no, no, man,
Speaker 3: you're paranoid. He says something about paranoia right in that tribal.
Speaker 1: He does.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He kept saying to me, you're paranoid, mate, You're sweet.
Speaker 3: We've got the numbers. And I kept saying to him, man,
Speaker 3: this is what I do. I see all this stuff,
Speaker 3: and I know we don't have the numbers. We walked
Speaker 3: out towards tribal with me questioning it because of what
Speaker 3: Ferris had said. The moment we sat down, the moment
Speaker 3: JLP asked one or two questions and I looked left
Speaker 3: and right and see, I just knew I've seen it,
Speaker 3: and from there I leaned forward first to Eileen and
Speaker 3: said I'm gone here, and then Eileen first mentioned to
Speaker 3: Ferris played the arder for Garrett.
Speaker 2: I'd already told Ferris and Eileen that this point he
Speaker 2: needs to play for me.
Speaker 3: Then Kirby's going home, and would we would have accomplished
Speaker 3: our goal anyway.
Speaker 1: I mean, it really does bring us to your backstory,
Speaker 1: because I mean, if you read the comments on social media,
Speaker 1: which they always say, don't do it, and to be fair,
Speaker 1: don Garret, don't do it, don't do it. But like
Speaker 1: if you're reading the comments, people were really they really
Speaker 1: did feel like you lived up to your backstory. And
Speaker 1: the backstory I think was so compelling with what it
Speaker 1: is that you do for a job and your ability
Speaker 1: to smell a rat and your ability to pick out
Speaker 1: those nuances. People, even people that weren't your biggest fan,
Speaker 1: did give you that. They commended you for that. So
Speaker 1: your instincts were great. But that begs me to ask
Speaker 1: you the question as to why you decided to be
Speaker 1: a right hand man for someone like Ferris when you
Speaker 1: could have been a king yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I think I don't actually think that I
Speaker 3: was a right hand man to Ferris.
Speaker 2: I know it looks that way, do I say on
Speaker 2: the edit or on the show. But I had my
Speaker 2: own ideas.
Speaker 3: My idea of eliminating Rihanna to break up Kirby. That's
Speaker 3: not a second lieutenant decision, that's the cap core. So
Speaker 3: I had things like that, And yes, I looked more
Speaker 3: upon myself as Ferris and I's equals. Ferris was way
Speaker 3: more loud, way more outspoken, way more flamboyant, with all
Speaker 3: of that kind of thing. I'm not that in character,
Speaker 3: but in mind, I am as tough as nails and
Speaker 3: as strong as as any major.
Speaker 2: So I thought to myself, I'm going.
Speaker 3: To play this game, the one who's behind the scenes
Speaker 3: but still calling shots.
Speaker 1: But I guess that the thing that I worry about
Speaker 1: and what I think now in hindsight, I'm in hindsight.
Speaker 1: It's a great thing, especially for a podcast, and we
Speaker 1: going to talk about this, and I get to sound
Speaker 1: like I know what I'm talking about, but I wasn't there,
Speaker 1: So who the hell am I? But as a king,
Speaker 1: you would just steal the you would take the general's idol.
Speaker 1: I just felt like you could have demanded that at
Speaker 1: that point you were right by making the decision to
Speaker 1: if that idol had been played, Kirby would have gone home. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that. I think you could have demanded that
Speaker 1: from him.
Speaker 3: There's that hindsight because now when I look at it,
Speaker 3: and even even straight up after, when I was sitting
Speaker 3: in the dark, going oh my god, my time's done,
Speaker 3: even then, I just was saying in my head.
Speaker 2: One hundred times, why didn't I just stand up.
Speaker 3: Say to JLP, let's not go any further and then
Speaker 3: plead my case that one bit stronger to Ferris? Because
Speaker 3: if I did that, Ferris would have played that idle
Speaker 3: for me. I guarantee you one hundred percent he would have.
Speaker 3: But Ferris was so lost in that moment. He just
Speaker 3: knew that in his head, he knew that there was
Speaker 3: that he had all the numbers, and that it wasn't
Speaker 3: necessary when that Eileen first thing to do it, I
Speaker 3: can just see confusion on Ferris's face.
Speaker 2: What do I do? What do I do? What do
Speaker 2: I do? What, hindsight what I should have done? One
Speaker 2: hundred percent?
Speaker 3: He stood up and said stop, jailpe stop, stop stop.
Speaker 3: And if I pleaded that the others they would have
Speaker 3: had no no hole to run down, and I would
Speaker 3: have accomplished what I what I'd set out to do.
Speaker 3: But unfortunately, when you're in that moment, your mind is
Speaker 3: racing so hard, and what we paramount in my mind
Speaker 3: is I'm going home, not how I can stop this.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I want to go back to
Speaker 1: this lost prevention officer thing, which I think is just
Speaker 1: genius for a game of Survivor. Like I just think,
Speaker 1: how I don't know how you got cast on the show,
Speaker 1: but however that happened fantastic. You know, the fact that
Speaker 1: you'd busted doctors and corporate professionals, you know, just today.
Speaker 1: But has Survivor blown you cover with doing your job?
Speaker 3: It has, Yeah, it has a lot. Look in a
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, I'll be the old last Yesterday's newspaper,
Speaker 3: so I should be good again.
Speaker 2: At the moment, I'm wearing.
Speaker 1: Hey, I won a series of reality TV eleven years ago.
Speaker 1: I couldn't pay someone to recognize me, so don't worry
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: That's Vego, so it's not really an issue. I'm going
Speaker 3: to head back over to Bali after we finish this.
Speaker 3: Take another couple of weeks. By the time I come back, We'll.
Speaker 1: Ready to bust them more criminals. Like you know, you'll
Speaker 1: be back back on the job with your superhero powers.
Speaker 1: Why do people steal?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 1: Like as in I wanted to ask you this right
Speaker 1: from the moment we saw you. What about these people
Speaker 1: that have high paying jobs and their desire to steal?
Speaker 1: Have you thought about that?
Speaker 3: I think it's so many variabooks because I because I
Speaker 3: do sit down at times and when I come across
Speaker 3: a genuinely nice person who's doing it, I sit down
Speaker 3: and try to fathom why.
Speaker 1: And what they say.
Speaker 3: Will some of them genuinely do it for the thrill?
Speaker 3: They genuinely do it just for the thrill, like they
Speaker 3: don't need to. And I'm not talking a chocolate bar.
Speaker 3: I'm talking big, big dollar stuff, you know, thousands of
Speaker 3: dollars of goods. As so many there's some that plead
Speaker 3: that they they clapped the main X and they can't
Speaker 3: help it. They've been doing it for years and they've
Speaker 3: been getting caught for years. But there's some that actually,
Speaker 3: you know, it's like talking to you.
Speaker 2: Why did you do that? Man? And he goes, I
Speaker 2: just I just do it because my life's boring and
Speaker 2: it's a thrill.
Speaker 1: Can you assess small nuances to detect the sort of
Speaker 1: a person that would steal? Like I mean, when you're
Speaker 1: inside a store and you're watching someone and someone does
Speaker 1: present themselves as a corporate professional, you know, what are
Speaker 1: the small things that you can pick out that means
Speaker 1: that you can You could say, I've got to follow
Speaker 1: that person, do you know what?
Speaker 3: I'll ask that all the time when I train up
Speaker 3: and coming lpo's new ones, they'll ask the same thing.
Speaker 3: And it's a really bizarre thing. I say this a lot,
Speaker 3: right When a good poker player has no tell, he's
Speaker 3: a good poker player, but a better part poker player
Speaker 3: can see the tell. And then you asked them what's
Speaker 3: the tell? I said, I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's the eye that twitched, or the hand moveing
Speaker 3: or what. And it's the same with me.
Speaker 2: I don't know what makes me think that person's about
Speaker 2: to commit a criminal act.
Speaker 3: And yet ninety nine percent of the time I go, cook,
Speaker 3: here's one, and sure enough I'll follow on covertly, sometimes
Speaker 3: up to forty five fifty minutes. Bang gotcha, and I look,
Speaker 3: I honestly can't tell you what it is. It's got
Speaker 3: to be a subconscious thing. I've worked with guys that
Speaker 3: I've tried to train for weeks on end weeks on
Speaker 3: it and they never get it. Just never get it.
Speaker 2: It's something in here.
Speaker 1: It's a psychic ability, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, could those talents you know
Speaker 1: to detect, you know, a petty thief translate into self
Speaker 1: awareness in a game like A Strand Survivor? Could you
Speaker 1: see people presenting the sort of things in their character
Speaker 1: that you would follow in a person in a shopping center.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe I could.
Speaker 3: I believe I could, and I believe that a few
Speaker 3: times that it was shown on TV when I said, hey,
Speaker 3: this is not cool, man, I know what's going on
Speaker 3: someone like Kelly.
Speaker 2: You got no because I got lost. I would lose
Speaker 2: my vision of the game when Kelly was near me, Bizzarah,
Speaker 2: no one's ever done that to.
Speaker 3: Me before, But just so radical thought and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, I would have to go forget about Kelly.
Speaker 1: It's a good thing to say. I actually think that's
Speaker 1: a really good way to deal with Kelly. I think
Speaker 1: if everyone just was forgetting about what she was doing
Speaker 1: it might also be a safer way to play with her.
Speaker 2: Such a difficult easy said than done.
Speaker 1: It's like taking a child shopping. I don't know this
Speaker 1: is coming up to me right now, but you know
Speaker 1: you can only sort of keep them close to you,
Speaker 1: but you got to stay focused on what the items
Speaker 1: you've got to get. Do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: I'll lose them, but don't get too distracted by their nonsense. No, Kelly,
Speaker 1: you can't have that toy today. God, I hope she
Speaker 1: doesn't listen to this anyway. Can you please explain, in
Speaker 1: your words as we go back into sort of a
Speaker 1: Ferris and Kirby conversation, what their issue is, because we
Speaker 1: all know that first week happened and that is the
Speaker 1: root of all their evil. But is there something deeper?
Speaker 1: Because when I thought about talking to you today, I
Speaker 1: thought you are the perfect person to talk about the
Speaker 1: fraction that has to be there behind the scenes as
Speaker 1: to why these two people are sparking and rubbing each
Speaker 1: other the wrong way.
Speaker 2: I think I just put it straight down to nothing
Speaker 2: more than a couple of alphas alpha male versus alpha female,
Speaker 2: and you just can't get that alignment when it's like that.
Speaker 2: I don't have that alpha my mentality.
Speaker 3: I am, in my head, yes, stronger and fitter and
Speaker 3: smarter than you, but it's not for me.
Speaker 2: It's not a competition.
Speaker 3: But for Ferris and Kirby, I think that all comes
Speaker 3: down to I'm better than you, and I'm going to
Speaker 3: show you how I am better than you.
Speaker 1: Is there a problem with these two people needing to
Speaker 1: be at a higher power? I think you understand this.
Speaker 1: You don't necessarily need to be perceived as top You
Speaker 1: don't know how do I say this. I don't think
Speaker 1: to rule the roost. I don't think you need to
Speaker 1: have the title. I think you can do that. That's
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. But these two seem to be getting
Speaker 1: a little lost in their king and queen title and
Speaker 1: who is top dog?
Speaker 2: Yeah percent, I've tried. I tried a heap of times
Speaker 2: to say that. To Ferris. I said to him, I'm
Speaker 2: going to be darker.
Speaker 3: We should be darker, even keep our alliance a little
Speaker 3: more darker. Ferris was one that wanted to be outspoken
Speaker 3: and wanted to be to be the leader at the
Speaker 3: same time, even though Kirby wasn't as vocal about that.
Speaker 2: Yes, she just wants to be the leader. She just
Speaker 2: wants to be the king.
Speaker 3: And so with them both knowing that about each other,
Speaker 3: I don't think there was any room to not butt heads.
Speaker 2: That's how are they going to stop that? I tried.
Speaker 3: I tried to align with Kirby after the after the
Speaker 3: misunderstandings between us, and she made me cry.
Speaker 1: She made you cry. You know the starter news. You
Speaker 1: were very honest with her, You aligned with her. You
Speaker 1: told us that at the start of this chat. You
Speaker 1: know that you did have a relationship with her, and
Speaker 1: she dogged you at the start. I still wonder whether
Speaker 1: or not, and I'm sure you're wondering the same thing.
Speaker 1: Could you have ever played with Kirby again? And you know,
Speaker 1: if you were going to make it towards the end,
Speaker 1: you were going to have to play with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah? I was.
Speaker 1: I was because people online are saying that you have
Speaker 1: a vendeta against her, just the same as feris. They're like,
Speaker 1: he is furious with her and he is not letting
Speaker 1: that go. I'm talking to you today and I get
Speaker 1: the feeling that you have that in you to just
Speaker 1: forgive whatever was there.
Speaker 3: I had forgiven from the first one. And even though
Speaker 3: I put my head in in the shelter and I
Speaker 3: said to Kirby, you've roped me? Man, Why why? I
Speaker 3: can you know why?
Speaker 2: And then it.
Speaker 3: Happened the second time, and Yeah, from there I thought,
Speaker 3: I don't think I can forgive her. I would have
Speaker 3: played with her again, but it wouldn't have been the same.
Speaker 3: It's that broken VARs blew it back together.
Speaker 2: Always see the cracks the same. The crack would keep
Speaker 2: on getting bigger and bigger. I am like that.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about her now? I think is
Speaker 1: the question.
Speaker 3: Look, she's I know, the genuine, real Kirby when I
Speaker 3: first met her. You can't hide who you are when
Speaker 3: you first meet There's no reason, there's no airs or braces,
Speaker 3: there's no reason to be someone fake. And I'm not
Speaker 3: usually wrong. I could be wrong on this case, but
Speaker 3: I think Kirby is a beautiful, wonderful person. Our first
Speaker 3: connection is genuine. Then the game played, and Kirby, she's
Speaker 3: a game player, and she's a bloody good game player.
Speaker 3: So I don't take that away from her. What she
Speaker 3: did with me, that's all game. So yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: hole grudges and I absolutely have no regrets.
Speaker 2: And when it's all said and done. I hope Kirby
Speaker 2: and I can get together and have a beer.
Speaker 1: I can feel that in you, you know, And I
Speaker 1: just wonder whether or not the people that watch the
Speaker 1: show sometimes buy into it a little bit much, because
Speaker 1: when you're reading people saying, oh, you know, he was
Speaker 1: so angry with her. You know, I think that we
Speaker 1: are entitled to live our emotions. I think that's important
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: And I can tell you what you want to get
Speaker 3: into the state where you are broken. Man, you are broken.
Speaker 3: That game is brutal. You're broken, you are hungry, you
Speaker 3: were tired, and you were cold, and you're not going
Speaker 3: to be nasty. Hey, think again, your emotions just going
Speaker 3: to be wired, so wired that you speak out and
Speaker 3: maybe you are a little bit aggressive. And I know
Speaker 3: how I was. I watched last night and at that
Speaker 3: particular moment, that's how I felt. I don't take it back.
Speaker 2: I have no regrets.
Speaker 3: Give me another go at speaking with Kirby when I've
Speaker 3: got a full belly and had a good night's sleep
Speaker 3: and I'm not cold and i haven't been brutalized, well,
Speaker 3: it would be completely different.
Speaker 2: She's a beautiful person.
Speaker 1: He said it was really hard as well to leave home.
Speaker 1: I remember seeing that very early in the early days
Speaker 1: of getting to know you. You know, what was it like
Speaker 1: to return home to see your dogs and be back
Speaker 1: at home and be in the comforts away from survivor
Speaker 1: was that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, look all of that stuff, you know, that's that's
Speaker 3: paramount to a beautiful life, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Me and my wife, Yeah, that's that's what we have.
Speaker 2: That's what we want. We're best friends, we have our dogs,
Speaker 2: We go from walk together.
Speaker 3: And when that's taken away from you, and I'm not
Speaker 3: talking about taking away from you. You're overseas and you
Speaker 3: can make a phone call, I mean zero, zero connections
Speaker 3: from that day bank, that's it.
Speaker 2: You don't see that person, you don't hear that person.
Speaker 2: It's just what you can remember. And so the very
Speaker 2: last moment is a kiss and a cuddle and a
Speaker 2: pat of the dogs. That's what you hold on to.
Speaker 2: It's tough.
Speaker 3: It's tough, and I doubt it's anybody that wouldn't be
Speaker 3: emotionally changed at missing their loved ones for that long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, coming back is just exhilarating, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you crumble, I crumbled, turned to jelly could you
Speaker 3: lay it on thick.
Speaker 1: With your wife for a while. Oh, I'm still recovering.
Speaker 1: Did you lay it on so that she looked after you?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Who wouldn't, Who wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I have to let you go because we're running out
Speaker 1: of time, but I'm asking everyone to finish the sentence.
Speaker 1: In the Game of Survivor, I have this motto.
Speaker 3: You all know what it is, and in the Game
Speaker 3: of Survivor definitely resonates. Think young, have fun, and don't
Speaker 3: let the old man in live forever.
Speaker 1: And then the last thing I ask everyone, something that
Speaker 1: I ask everyone who joins the podcast, is what's something
Speaker 1: from behind the scenes, something we didn't get a chance
Speaker 1: to see, because obviously there's a lot that goes into
Speaker 1: a day.
Speaker 2: Oh, the brutality.
Speaker 3: It's tough, man, The stuff behind the scenes is tough.
Speaker 2: I can tell you right now.
Speaker 3: Every single person that is on that show, every producer,
Speaker 3: every gaffer, every carrier, just for phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal, and
Speaker 3: I love every single one of them.
Speaker 1: This is like Golden Year's Survivor, and what a joy
Speaker 1: it has been, and how lucky you have been to
Speaker 1: be able to be a part of it and also
Speaker 1: to leave such a mark on a show like this.
Speaker 1: I think you did a very good job. People won't
Speaker 1: forget you. I really enjoyed watching it, so yeah, thank
Speaker 1: you for your generosity chatting with me today. It's been
Speaker 1: quite a meat.
Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure.
Speaker 3: Look, I tell you, getting that golden ticket and becoming
Speaker 3: part of the Survivor family.
Speaker 2: Is there's absolutely nothing like it. It's just beautiful. I
Speaker 2: enjoyed talking with you too. I hope we talk again soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, next time when you come back. I feel like
Speaker 1: you left enough scratches in the wall will be silly
Speaker 1: for the producers to get you to come back.
Speaker 2: Never say never, I'm down. You don't even have to
Speaker 2: ask me. I'm there tomorrow.
Speaker 1: You'll be there tomorrow. Have fun chatting to everyone about
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, thank you so much. I really appreciate it.