WEBVTT - UNPACKED REALITY - AUSTRALIAN SURVIVOR - ELIMINATION CHAT 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.760 It's in the news today, but it was actually on 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:05.400 TV Reload, the podcast Past Weep That Life. Hey guys, 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:08.360 welcome back to TV Reload. Thank you for clicking and downloading. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:11.880 On today's episode with Garrek, the eighth eliminated contestant from 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:15.560 this year's Australian Survivor on Network ten, I will be 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.279 talking about his time in Samoa and of course what 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:20.919 he thinks now that the smoke has well and truly 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:24.880 been snuffed out on his torch. Australian Survivor Titans Versus 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:27.440 Rebels is a showdown that pits the winners against the 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.440 underdogs and the big wigs against the battlers, with each 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.159 player competing for the grand prize of half a million dollars. 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:38.239 Garreck is a loss prevention officer from Queensland. Initially a 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.840 loyal member of Ferris and Kirby's majority alliance. However, as 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.559 we know, that went to shit after he felt portrayed 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:47.760 by Kirby's duplicity in the First Tribal Council, which was 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.760 where Garrick and Ferris developed their stronger version to Kirby's 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.800 position in the Rebels tribe. After the tribal switch, it 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:57.440 was obvious to everyone involved that the fractured Rebels team 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.600 had turned on themselves, with Garrek becoming the most vocal 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.840 in getting rid of Kirby as soon as possible. Ultimately, 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:06.440 Kirby saw the writing on the wall first and won 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.959 out by swaying the Rebels block and successfully knocked Garrek 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.080 out of the competition. Garrek will discuss who is to 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.199 blame for his elimination and explain who are the dirty 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.720 dogs that he holds responsible. We will talk about Garreck's 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:23.160 position and get some understanding if the rules of tracking 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.280 a petty thief works in the Game of Australian Survivor. 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:28.639 I will get to the bottom of the growing battle 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.440 of the Beast with Garrek's perspective on Kirby and Ferris 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.120 and why both of them are fighting for that top 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.080 dog position. Plus, we will find out if he's been 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.640 able to let things go Obviously we saw him quite 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:41.960 cross at the end of that episode, but we'll also 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:44.679 find out if it ever hath worked with Kirby again. 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.600 There's actually so much to unpack with Garrek, and I 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.800 have to be honest and say this is a surprise 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.080 to me, but I've enjoyed chatting to Grek more than 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:54.600 anyone else this season so far. So sit back and 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.200 relax as we dive just that little bit deeper into 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.880 the world of Australian Survivor. I just want to start 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:03.440 off this podcast by saying that I had a dream 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.760 when you first turned up as a preview to be 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.120 on the series, that you arrested me for something. And 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.080 I was like, that's when you know a Survivor player 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.399 has penetrated the psyche when you're dreaming about them. 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:18.720 I'd love to know what you were stealing. I want 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.120 to do anything wrong while I'm around. 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:23.760 Well we know that now. PS don't start a podcast 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.280 by telling your guests that you've been dreaming about them. 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:29.359 Now, I take that on board. That's not bad. 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.120 How are you anyway? Are you a right? 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.960 Look, it's just a bugger, But I'm all good. Like 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:36.919 the anxiety has started to subside. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:41.280 I've stopped screaming why me? I'm good now? Yeah, I'm good. 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.639 But what are your neighbors thinking of you? Watching Survivor 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.840 three nights a week? Are they okay? Have they they 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:46.480 moved house? 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:47.639 They've moved. 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:49.760 I noticed a couple of them walk past and look 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:51.760 up in the window during the evening. 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:54.440 Crying and screaming and laughing. I mean, this is this 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.160 is a general reaction to anyone being on reality TV. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:02:58.680 Right, Yeah, for sure? 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.760 What a right? I mean the last thirty minutes of 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.840 your time in Survivor, I was sweating watching it, and 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.080 I've watched episode twice and I had the same reaction 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:07.880 knowing the result. 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.280 I guarantee you weren't sweating as much as I was. 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.240 And I didn't know the outcome either, so I was 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.639 as blind as you. I knew I was going home, 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.320 but I didn't know the where's in the house and 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:19.720 who's and how it all eventuated. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.320 Have you watched the Extended Tribal Council, by the way, 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.360 because I don't normally watch that, but I watched that 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:28.040 this morning where you get to see everyone's rationale, like 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:29.960 when they hand out. Have you watched that yet? 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:30.760 I haven't, Man. 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.040 I just I got up last night and I just went, 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.720 you know what, I'm going to bed, I'm turning my 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:38.800 phone off and I'm going to get up late. 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.280 So I haven't done anything. Today will be the day. 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.560 Who are the most angry at? At this point? You 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.960 mentioned the dogs at the end of the episode. Instead 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.600 of the Dogs being the sanction of that blindside, which 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:52.080 I'm assuming is from those original Titans from at least Winner, 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.760 Charles Valaria, Kelly and Scott right. 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:59.440 The Dirty Dogs was really Winner and Scottie, I mean. 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.960 Scott when he votes for you, he says, I love you, man, 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.880 and I just had to do this because you were 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.520 Ferris's right hand man. I mean, he looks like a 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.080 very genuine man. I have never never met him myself, 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:13.960 but I got the impression that he's a very genuine person. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.800 And he did look like it pained him to make 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.279 that decision. It seemed like he was forced into it. 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:22.200 It's crazy because Scotty and I from the very word 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.680 go were bed buddies. We slept beside each other every night, 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:30.320 whispered this sweet nothings. We had such a beautiful relationship 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:34.240 every night, and we were aligned. We had myself, Eileen 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:38.040 and Scotty had a very secret alliance. I did bring 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.720 Ferris in at one stage there. Ferris had a difficulty 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:45.320 trusting Aileen, whereas I said to you know, she's good, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:49.760 and then Aileen had a difficulty in the end trusting Scotty. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.160 And she's the one who informed me what was going on, 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.520 and whereas Scotty was telling me completely the opposite. So 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:57.840 I really loved Scotty. I still do in the end 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.840 of the day. It's a game, and I don't any grudges. 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:05.280 I have no regrets whatsoever. But him and Winner were 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.880 telling me what I wanted to hear, and that's why 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:08.880 they were the dirty dogs. 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:10.760 I mean, it is the game of Survivor, and I 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.080 mean these players are all just playing exactly what I 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.560 guess the game of Survivor is, and it is to lie, 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.240 cheat and steal. And you protested that going into the show, 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:20.080 so I mean, you know what you sign up for. 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.760 I lied and cheated as well. But the certain things 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.920 that I don't get. When you are aligned with somebody 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.200 and you say, okay, this is what we're going to do, 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.400 I'm more of the line and cheek to the ones 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.840 that you're not aligned with, get information from them, give 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.839 them information that can help you and not hindrance to 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:39.320 you gain. 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.880 But when you're aligned with somebody and they're the ones giving, 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:44.080 that doesn't make sense. 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:46.600 I would never have done that with Ferris Faris, would 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.240 never have done that with me in the very beginning, 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.000 Kirby and I were tight as we were so tight. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.120 I hadn't even spoken really to Ferris at that stage, 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.600 and Kirby and I spoke, we're going to go through 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:00.840 this together. And then when she did the flip on 0:06:00.960 --> 0:06:04.320 the challenge, Well, that doesn't make sense. If we're aligned, 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.159 why not just tell me even if I don't go 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.400 with that plan, or even if I'm not one hundred 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:10.280 percent with that. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.480 Plan, at least informally, that that's what reliance means. 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.680 But is there any more perspective being thrown on that 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.160 once watching the show? Have you been able to rationalize 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.880 what she did in any other capacity now that you've 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.000 seen the full. 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.440 With the throw of the challenge, that first. 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:26.440 Week throw of the challenge? Yep, which is what I 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.919 guess is the root of the issue with both of you. 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:31.760 Now that you've watched it as a show. How does 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:33.760 it make you feel? Has has it changed the way 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:34.960 you felt about it at the time? 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:39.920 No, no, no, I just don't get it. 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:41.320 I'm going to get into that in a little bit 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:43.159 because I'm kind of getting a little bit ahead of myself, 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.200 because I really do want to ask you, you know, 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.920 off the back of just working out who those dogs 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.200 were in your mind. I did really want to find 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.520 out what you feel about Ferris, because he should have 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.840 played the idol. And I'm assuming that when you turned 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:58.000 to him and it was very clearly said that you said, 0:06:58.040 --> 0:07:00.680 I'm going home to Ferris. Was that your plea for 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:01.280 his idol? 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:02.080 Yeah? 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.080 And why didn't he do that? I mean, why didn't 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.400 he give that to you? Aileen's there saying to do it. 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.000 Yeah. Maybe I'll never know. I don't know what. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.840 And I'm sort of propressoring you into a conversation about 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.800 this because I wonder whether now there is a perspective 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.640 over whether Ferris and Kirby are both just playing a 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.120 very hard game and they've both done the wrong thing 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:22.880 by you. 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.080 What a horrible thought. 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.240 I don't have ruined any friendships, mate. 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.880 Look, I honestly don't know. When we were in camp 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.600 before before we walked out to the tribal, I knew it. 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.760 I had already worked out in my head that we 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:41.559 didn't have the numbers. Ferris was convinced in his head 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:45.440 the original Titans were with him. Whilst Ferris and Raymond 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.320 were playing their frivolities in the water, yelling and screaming. 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:50.240 I was laying in the hammock watching and I knew it. 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.520 I seen the tells, I heard the little whispers. I 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:56.280 even caught it just a moment trick out of one 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:56.800 of their mouths. 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:57.280 So I knew. 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.120 And at that stage, I said to Feris, mate, we 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.360 don't have the numbers. I guarantee you we don't have 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.200 the numbers. And I even said to him, I don't 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.960 believe Kelly has an idol. And if she doesn't pull 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.000 it out, play your ider for me, because I know 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.280 I'm going home. And Ferris was convinced, No, no, no, man, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.640 you're paranoid. He says something about paranoia right in that tribal. 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:16.280 He does. 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:17.160 Yeah. 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.240 He kept saying to me, you're paranoid, mate, You're sweet. 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.680 We've got the numbers. And I kept saying to him, man, 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.600 this is what I do. I see all this stuff, 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.000 and I know we don't have the numbers. We walked 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:31.040 out towards tribal with me questioning it because of what 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.240 Ferris had said. The moment we sat down, the moment 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:37.920 JLP asked one or two questions and I looked left 0:08:37.960 --> 0:08:40.760 and right and see, I just knew I've seen it, 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.520 and from there I leaned forward first to Eileen and 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.760 said I'm gone here, and then Eileen first mentioned to 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.400 Ferris played the arder for Garrett. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.600 I'd already told Ferris and Eileen that this point he 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:54.360 needs to play for me. 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.680 Then Kirby's going home, and would we would have accomplished 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:58.480 our goal anyway. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:01.920 I mean, it really does bring us to your backstory, 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.600 because I mean, if you read the comments on social media, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:06.480 which they always say, don't do it, and to be fair, 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:08.480 don Garret, don't do it, don't do it. But like 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.640 if you're reading the comments, people were really they really 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.120 did feel like you lived up to your backstory. And 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.520 the backstory I think was so compelling with what it 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:18.640 is that you do for a job and your ability 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.080 to smell a rat and your ability to pick out 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.880 those nuances. People, even people that weren't your biggest fan, 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.000 did give you that. They commended you for that. So 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.840 your instincts were great. But that begs me to ask 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:35.160 you the question as to why you decided to be 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.920 a right hand man for someone like Ferris when you 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:39.240 could have been a king yourself. 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.960 Yeah, look, I think I don't actually think that I 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.120 was a right hand man to Ferris. 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.280 I know it looks that way, do I say on 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.720 the edit or on the show. But I had my 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:51.520 own ideas. 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:57.120 My idea of eliminating Rihanna to break up Kirby. That's 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:01.040 not a second lieutenant decision, that's the cap core. So 0:10:01.160 --> 0:10:05.080 I had things like that, And yes, I looked more 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:09.200 upon myself as Ferris and I's equals. Ferris was way 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.600 more loud, way more outspoken, way more flamboyant, with all 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:15.079 of that kind of thing. I'm not that in character, 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:18.440 but in mind, I am as tough as nails and 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:20.160 as strong as as any major. 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:22.840 So I thought to myself, I'm going. 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.680 To play this game, the one who's behind the scenes 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:26.880 but still calling shots. 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.720 But I guess that the thing that I worry about 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:31.920 and what I think now in hindsight, I'm in hindsight. 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:33.839 It's a great thing, especially for a podcast, and we 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:35.480 going to talk about this, and I get to sound 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:37.280 like I know what I'm talking about, but I wasn't there, 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.880 So who the hell am I? But as a king, 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.319 you would just steal the you would take the general's idol. 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:45.600 I just felt like you could have demanded that at 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.120 that point you were right by making the decision to 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.520 if that idol had been played, Kirby would have gone home. Yeah, 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:53.760 you know that. I think you could have demanded that 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:54.760 from him. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.360 There's that hindsight because now when I look at it, 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.160 and even even straight up after, when I was sitting 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.160 in the dark, going oh my god, my time's done, 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.760 even then, I just was saying in my head. 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.280 One hundred times, why didn't I just stand up. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.760 Say to JLP, let's not go any further and then 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.760 plead my case that one bit stronger to Ferris? Because 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:20.400 if I did that, Ferris would have played that idle 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.280 for me. I guarantee you one hundred percent he would have. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:27.720 But Ferris was so lost in that moment. He just 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.320 knew that in his head, he knew that there was 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.480 that he had all the numbers, and that it wasn't 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.319 necessary when that Eileen first thing to do it, I 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.120 can just see confusion on Ferris's face. 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:38.360 What do I do? What do I do? What do 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.439 I do? What, hindsight what I should have done? One 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:42.240 hundred percent? 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.319 He stood up and said stop, jailpe stop, stop stop. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.480 And if I pleaded that the others they would have 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.960 had no no hole to run down, and I would 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:53.160 have accomplished what I what I'd set out to do. 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:57.520 But unfortunately, when you're in that moment, your mind is 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:01.400 racing so hard, and what we paramount in my mind 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.520 is I'm going home, not how I can stop this. 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.000 I mean, I just I want to go back to 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.320 this lost prevention officer thing, which I think is just 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.960 genius for a game of Survivor. Like I just think, 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:12.760 how I don't know how you got cast on the show, 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.120 but however that happened fantastic. You know, the fact that 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:21.280 you'd busted doctors and corporate professionals, you know, just today. 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.760 But has Survivor blown you cover with doing your job? 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:27.040 It has, Yeah, it has a lot. Look in a 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.880 couple of weeks, I'll be the old last Yesterday's newspaper, 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:30.960 so I should be good again. 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:32.480 At the moment, I'm wearing. 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:35.880 Hey, I won a series of reality TV eleven years ago. 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.240 I couldn't pay someone to recognize me, so don't worry 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:38.679 about it. 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.760 That's Vego, so it's not really an issue. I'm going 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.240 to head back over to Bali after we finish this. 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.280 Take another couple of weeks. By the time I come back, We'll. 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.640 Ready to bust them more criminals. Like you know, you'll 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.400 be back back on the job with your superhero powers. 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:55.520 Why do people steal? 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:55.760 Though? 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:57.679 Like as in I wanted to ask you this right 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.800 from the moment we saw you. What about these people 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.920 that have high paying jobs and their desire to steal? 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:04.920 Have you thought about that? 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.720 I think it's so many variabooks because I because I 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:12.440 do sit down at times and when I come across 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:16.520 a genuinely nice person who's doing it, I sit down 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:18.760 and try to fathom why. 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:19.560 And what they say. 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.120 Will some of them genuinely do it for the thrill? 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.640 They genuinely do it just for the thrill, like they 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:28.200 don't need to. And I'm not talking a chocolate bar. 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:31.480 I'm talking big, big dollar stuff, you know, thousands of 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:34.800 dollars of goods. As so many there's some that plead 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.040 that they they clapped the main X and they can't 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:38.600 help it. They've been doing it for years and they've 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.760 been getting caught for years. But there's some that actually, 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:43.240 you know, it's like talking to you. 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.160 Why did you do that? Man? And he goes, I 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.400 just I just do it because my life's boring and 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:48.079 it's a thrill. 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.400 Can you assess small nuances to detect the sort of 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.400 a person that would steal? Like I mean, when you're 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.080 inside a store and you're watching someone and someone does 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.679 present themselves as a corporate professional, you know, what are 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.920 the small things that you can pick out that means 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:04.920 that you can You could say, I've got to follow 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:06.280 that person, do you know what? 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.200 I'll ask that all the time when I train up 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.880 and coming lpo's new ones, they'll ask the same thing. 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.920 And it's a really bizarre thing. I say this a lot, 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:22.120 right When a good poker player has no tell, he's 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.760 a good poker player, but a better part poker player 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:27.640 can see the tell. And then you asked them what's 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:29.200 the tell? I said, I don't know. I don't know 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.320 if it's the eye that twitched, or the hand moveing 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:32.800 or what. And it's the same with me. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.280 I don't know what makes me think that person's about 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.600 to commit a criminal act. 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.280 And yet ninety nine percent of the time I go, cook, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:46.560 here's one, and sure enough I'll follow on covertly, sometimes 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:50.640 up to forty five fifty minutes. Bang gotcha, and I look, 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.120 I honestly can't tell you what it is. It's got 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.040 to be a subconscious thing. I've worked with guys that 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.600 I've tried to train for weeks on end weeks on 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.200 it and they never get it. Just never get it. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:02.440 It's something in here. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:04.760 It's a psychic ability, do you know what I mean? 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:07.600 Like I said, you know, could those talents you know 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:10.600 to detect, you know, a petty thief translate into self 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.000 awareness in a game like A Strand Survivor? Could you 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:17.360 see people presenting the sort of things in their character 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.120 that you would follow in a person in a shopping center. 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:21.680 Yeah, I believe I could. 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.560 I believe I could, and I believe that a few 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.840 times that it was shown on TV when I said, hey, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.880 this is not cool, man, I know what's going on 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:31.920 someone like Kelly. 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.600 You got no because I got lost. I would lose 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:39.360 my vision of the game when Kelly was near me, Bizzarah, 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:40.400 no one's ever done that to. 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.960 Me before, But just so radical thought and then all 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.320 of a sudden, I would have to go forget about Kelly. 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:49.360 It's a good thing to say. I actually think that's 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.200 a really good way to deal with Kelly. I think 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.480 if everyone just was forgetting about what she was doing 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.000 it might also be a safer way to play with her. 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.120 Such a difficult easy said than done. 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.000 It's like taking a child shopping. I don't know this 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:02.600 is coming up to me right now, but you know 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.800 you can only sort of keep them close to you, 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.160 but you got to stay focused on what the items 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:08.640 you've got to get. Do you know what I mean? Like, 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:13.800 I'll lose them, but don't get too distracted by their nonsense. No, Kelly, 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:18.560 you can't have that toy today. God, I hope she 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.120 doesn't listen to this anyway. Can you please explain, in 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.160 your words as we go back into sort of a 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:27.280 Ferris and Kirby conversation, what their issue is, because we 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.840 all know that first week happened and that is the 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.640 root of all their evil. But is there something deeper? 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.080 Because when I thought about talking to you today, I 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.360 thought you are the perfect person to talk about the 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.320 fraction that has to be there behind the scenes as 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.920 to why these two people are sparking and rubbing each 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:44.640 other the wrong way. 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:47.120 I think I just put it straight down to nothing 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:51.320 more than a couple of alphas alpha male versus alpha female, 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.320 and you just can't get that alignment when it's like that. 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.560 I don't have that alpha my mentality. 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:02.240 I am, in my head, yes, stronger and fitter and 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.320 smarter than you, but it's not for me. 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:05.320 It's not a competition. 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.359 But for Ferris and Kirby, I think that all comes 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.159 down to I'm better than you, and I'm going to 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:13.560 show you how I am better than you. 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.080 Is there a problem with these two people needing to 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.640 be at a higher power? I think you understand this. 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:22.399 You don't necessarily need to be perceived as top You 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.000 don't know how do I say this. I don't think 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.560 to rule the roost. I don't think you need to 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.560 have the title. I think you can do that. That's 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:31.960 behind the scenes. But these two seem to be getting 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.840 a little lost in their king and queen title and 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:35.760 who is top dog? 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:39.560 Yeah percent, I've tried. I tried a heap of times 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.520 to say that. To Ferris. I said to him, I'm 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:42.080 going to be darker. 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.640 We should be darker, even keep our alliance a little 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:48.160 more darker. Ferris was one that wanted to be outspoken 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.679 and wanted to be to be the leader at the 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:54.640 same time, even though Kirby wasn't as vocal about that. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.119