Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the Sitdown. I'm Viv Christie, Managing
Speaker 1: editor of Australian Tennis.
Speaker 2: Magazine, and I'm Matroop, a writer for ozopen dot com.
Speaker 2: And Viv tell us why we're sitting down this week
Speaker 2: with Sumitt Nogale.
Speaker 1: Well, it's almost time for the Australian Open and one
Speaker 1: of my favorite stories from this year's tournament was the
Speaker 1: success of Summitt Nogal, who qualified, played a couple of
Speaker 1: great matches, used that as a platform for his top
Speaker 1: one hundred breakthrough. I also love the story of his
Speaker 1: journey in tennis generally, which actually started with cricket.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was so funny. Just before we spoke
Speaker 2: to Suemitt, Rafael Nadala retired and there was that iconic
Speaker 2: tweet from Sumit where it said alas no more Nogal
Speaker 2: versus Nadala. I think it was Nogal versus Nadal will
Speaker 2: remain a dream and we thought that was great and
Speaker 2: we also use that as an opportunity to ask him
Speaker 2: about it in our chat with him. Sum At Nogal,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us on the sit
Speaker 2: Down podcast.
Speaker 3: It's great to see you and great to.
Speaker 2: Have you a big vim and where in the world
Speaker 2: do we find you at the moment.
Speaker 3: I'm currently in Mumbai, India. I'm playing a tennis league
Speaker 3: in India. I'm playing my first match today in a
Speaker 3: few hours. I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 2: Fantastic. So I've got you right in the middle. Is
Speaker 2: it does this count as preseason or is this a
Speaker 2: continuation of the season?
Speaker 3: How does this fit? I think it's more like a
Speaker 3: first week of my preseason. I'm starting very slow. I
Speaker 3: did some sort of very easy fitness yesterday and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna keep doing that for this week. Post post this league,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to Dubai. I'm gonna start uh playing
Speaker 3: a lot of tennis and a lot of heart fitness
Speaker 3: for next two three weeks, I would say, and then
Speaker 3: fly to Australia around Christmas time.
Speaker 1: Fantastic.
Speaker 2: So you caught our attention just the other day actually
Speaker 2: with your tweet Nadal versus Nagal remains a dream.
Speaker 3: Yes, what prompted that is that?
Speaker 2: Do you know Rapha had you ever got to meet
Speaker 2: him or have anything to do with him?
Speaker 3: Like obviously you see you see these players, you know
Speaker 3: in every tournament you say Hi, Hello, but like I've
Speaker 3: never really sat down with him or even actually never
Speaker 3: even pact us with him, So it's like, yeah, it's like,
Speaker 3: like I said, it's stayed a dream. How would have
Speaker 3: been incredible to play him in the in French Open?
Speaker 3: You know, I know he's the greatest ever to be
Speaker 3: come out of out of that court, but there, you know,
Speaker 3: to to to have that challenge to step on the court,
Speaker 3: to feel that aura that he has on that court,
Speaker 3: I think would have been something to experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you told us, yes, you're you're back home
Speaker 2: in India. For tennis players, obviously they're on the road
Speaker 2: for so long, how special is it or good for
Speaker 2: you is it to be back in India? Like and
Speaker 2: he said, you're just about to go to Dubais, So
Speaker 2: like what do you enjoy about that occasion to be
Speaker 2: at home?
Speaker 3: I would say, you know, family, friends, food, my my
Speaker 3: training bases in Germany, So I don't really get to
Speaker 3: spend so much time in India. Maybe I'm I'm here
Speaker 3: too three weeks a year, so whenever I get a
Speaker 3: chance to come back, I come back. You know, yeah,
Speaker 3: I miss a lot, but I don't really have a choice.
Speaker 3: If I really want to do well in Vennis, I
Speaker 3: need to stay away from from India.
Speaker 2: That that's a similar for Australian place too. It's even
Speaker 2: further to Guy. And it was such a special season
Speaker 2: for you. So when you look back at it, what
Speaker 2: would be the highlight mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: I would say my first few months of the year
Speaker 3: were very good. Breaking in top hundred by Wanning that
Speaker 3: challenger in India was very emotional because of the people
Speaker 3: who were around, and to break it in India, I think,
Speaker 3: I think it was a pretty pretty nice, nice, nice
Speaker 3: week having friends and family around here. I don't think.
Speaker 3: I mean if if you see the videos, I was crying.
Speaker 3: You know, I've never cried on the court, So yeah,
Speaker 3: there was a lot of a lot of emotion coming
Speaker 3: out of my body, feeling feeling I would say a
Speaker 3: little bit relieved, yeah, and then I would say the
Speaker 3: second would be in the Olympics again, you know, I
Speaker 3: think it's I I really really loved playing playing Olympics
Speaker 3: for India. Unfortunately I didn't do well. I ended up
Speaker 3: losing to Mute, but to to experience that atmosphere again
Speaker 3: playing a French and hole where it was it wasn't
Speaker 3: easy but yeah, I mean, these are the moments, these
Speaker 3: are the matches that makes you tougher and makes you
Speaker 3: more compete, even even at a higher stage.
Speaker 1: I was wondering if you could take us back to
Speaker 1: your start in tennis. We we know that your first
Speaker 1: sporting love was cricket. How did tennis win you?
Speaker 3: Ever? Didn't really win me. So when I was a kid,
Speaker 3: I would I would play a lot on the streets,
Speaker 3: like I would be out and out whole day, and
Speaker 3: especially if you if I, if I had a day
Speaker 3: off or holidays were going on, I would be a
Speaker 3: guy who would go who would leave his house at
Speaker 3: nine and be back at nine pm. And I would
Speaker 3: fell a lot of time playing cricket like like we
Speaker 3: call it gutty cricket, like playing cricket on the streets.
Speaker 3: And my father saw, you know how much energy I'm putting,
Speaker 3: and he didn't really wanted me to play any team sport,
Speaker 3: looking at you know how tough it is to get
Speaker 3: into a team sport in India. And then we had
Speaker 3: a we had a family friend whose daughter was playing
Speaker 3: tennis at that time, so they were the one guide
Speaker 3: that my father saying, let let let him try some tennis.
Speaker 3: And I think from the day one when I when
Speaker 3: I got a racket, I don't think we ever looked back.
Speaker 3: There was no question of like, hey do you want
Speaker 3: to you should we try other sports? It was day
Speaker 3: one was tennis, Day two was tennis. Day fifty was
Speaker 3: tennis tennis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then of course you you joined MAHESHBA Parties Academy.
Speaker 3: Can can you.
Speaker 1: Talk us through that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a funny story behind it. But this would
Speaker 3: be two thousand and seventh December. We heard there's a
Speaker 3: pro there's a there's a program coming in. They're gonna
Speaker 3: select a few kids. We me and my father had
Speaker 3: no idea how many harmony were they going to select.
Speaker 3: And I wasn't really high ranked around that I'm in India,
Speaker 3: but we my mom, my dad mom were like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I just tried. Who cares, you know, nothing to lose,
Speaker 3: it's in our city. So I ended up going a
Speaker 3: few few things happened. I I actually went up to
Speaker 3: my hage saying, can you please look at my game?
Speaker 3: And you know you're picking up kids that I usually beat.
Speaker 3: That's that's how I said it, which I apparently he
Speaker 3: he really liked that I had a lot of confidence
Speaker 3: at the very young age, and from there on, I
Speaker 3: I got selected for the for the for the program,
Speaker 3: I went to Bangalore for two years and from there on,
Speaker 3: I've just always been under my age.
Speaker 1: Well so he still plays a role in your.
Speaker 3: Career now, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, he's still my manager. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's he's the manager, mentor friend, whatever you want to say.
Speaker 3: He's he's always been there, fantastic.
Speaker 1: Who else would you say has been influential in your career?
Speaker 3: Obviously my parents, you know, because they've seen they've seen
Speaker 3: up and downs of last whatever, seventeen years, fifteen years,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to say it, you know, so, yeah,
Speaker 3: they've been very supportive, especially especially my mom. She doesn't
Speaker 3: really care much about how good I do on tennis core.
Speaker 3: She cares more about how I feel, which is yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, every time I've come out of the match,
Speaker 3: if I don't do well, She'll be like, how was it?
Speaker 3: I say? I lost? She's like that, I know, But
Speaker 3: how you're feeling, which is yeah, which is which? Like
Speaker 3: you know, you know, sometimes you feel like coaches don't
Speaker 3: never ask that, you know, coaches like Ellison, you should
Speaker 3: have done this that So of course that mom. Mom
Speaker 3: fills up that role. And some of my friends, you know,
Speaker 3: they've been They've been there for ten years, twelve years,
Speaker 3: fourteen years, always been around, always been pushing. So fortunate
Speaker 3: to have these people of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah the Australian Open, we remember your run so well
Speaker 2: at the start of this year, or we wondered what
Speaker 2: your memories were of that because you qualified, she Pade,
Speaker 2: Alexander Bublake. There was a great atmosphere around your matches
Speaker 2: as well. It was yeah, what what what stands at
Speaker 2: to you with that run?
Speaker 3: To be honest, that was the first time I ever
Speaker 3: did well in Australia. So every time I come to Australia,
Speaker 3: I was like, man, every time I go on, the
Speaker 3: court is so windy and the coach are so fast.
Speaker 3: Every code is different. But last year I somehow, I
Speaker 3: think I felt like maturity came in. I was, I
Speaker 3: would say, an older player on the tennis court comparing
Speaker 3: to my last four, five, six, whatever, comparing to my
Speaker 3: juniors and seniors in Australia, and I think that was
Speaker 3: the biggest change that I felt on the court, that
Speaker 3: I was able to deal with things better comparing to
Speaker 3: the last few years and I think the yeah, like
Speaker 3: you said, the atmosphere was was was crazy. A lot
Speaker 3: of Indians showed up to to support me, which was
Speaker 3: which was yeah, which was incredible States and especially playing
Speaker 3: Jerry Shang in the second Old I mean you should
Speaker 3: have seen it. It was very, very loud. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm looking looking forward to Australia again. I think I
Speaker 3: think I'm gonna gotta be better this time.
Speaker 2: And do you think it like set you up, like
Speaker 2: set your season off on a good track or a
Speaker 2: good path.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, because get me confidence right, gave me confidence.
Speaker 3: I was playing on a very high level. Majority of
Speaker 3: the year I played, I played on the ATP two level,
Speaker 3: had some really good matches, So I think I think
Speaker 3: the Australian two really gave me, gave me a jump start,
Speaker 3: I would say. And again, you're looking to do the
Speaker 3: same kind of schedule. Start in Canberra, start very fucking
Speaker 3: camebra is faster than Australia, so you know I'm faster
Speaker 3: than Melbourne, I would say, So we can start there
Speaker 3: and then maybe maybe see what to play the second
Speaker 3: week and then be ready by being ready by Melbourne
Speaker 3: starts awesome.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the atmosphere being so good at the Australian Open,
Speaker 2: and then you talked earlier about winning the challenge title
Speaker 2: in India and cracked the top hundred and us so
Speaker 2: emotional if it happens to you was gride at the II.
Speaker 2: What was it like on home soil? Like did you
Speaker 2: have many home fans watching that tournament and what you
Speaker 2: achieved there?
Speaker 3: It's a big good. That stadium in China is huge,
Speaker 3: so I don't know how many people were there, but
Speaker 3: I would say the people were as like lower lower
Speaker 3: stands as were quite full. Obviously the mac cord I
Speaker 3: played in Australia was smaller than the chene One because
Speaker 3: it's that word where they played the two fifty events.
Speaker 3: So it's a huge stadium. But I would say maybe
Speaker 3: I felt like Australia was louder because of the way
Speaker 3: the things were. Fans on this side fan but nothing
Speaker 3: on this side, so you feel like, you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's like right here. And obviously India hoors to China,
Speaker 3: you know it's gonna get a little bit heat so
Speaker 3: but but yeah, I think the Chennai week pretty much
Speaker 3: a lot of people showed up for a challenge that
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever seen something like this. I
Speaker 3: think also maybe because of me doing the lee well
Speaker 3: in Australia played a big part. I was on the news,
Speaker 3: so people showed up, which was very nice, Yeah, which
Speaker 3: was really really nice.
Speaker 2: And those emotions you talked about, like winning that challenger,
Speaker 2: cracking the top one hundred, what was behind those emotions.
Speaker 2: Was that anything to do with, you know, challenges you've overcome,
Speaker 2: the hip surgery, things like that, or is there something
Speaker 2: else behind that emotion?
Speaker 3: I think I think pretty much mix off everything, you know, injuries,
Speaker 3: waking up at six am doing yeah, taking buses at
Speaker 3: five am. Sometimes when I was a kid, I would
Speaker 3: take a bus at five years to go practice at eight.
Speaker 3: You know, the bus ride would be two two hours
Speaker 3: then to yeah, to to sleeping on chairs sometimes when
Speaker 3: I was a junior, I would put two chairs together
Speaker 3: and sleep on it, you know, sleeping at the airport.
Speaker 3: So yeah, those things where where you don't have to
Speaker 3: do by hopes, but those things came in play, you know.
Speaker 3: You how you get a very fast flashback off of
Speaker 3: the things that you really did enjoy but when you
Speaker 3: were a kid.
Speaker 1: But yeah, just sort of stearing the conversation a little
Speaker 1: bit towards tennis in India. So you are the sort
Speaker 1: of the standout top one hundred player for India at
Speaker 1: the moment, do you feel a sense of like a
Speaker 1: role model responsibility that comes with them.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I feel like a responsibility or
Speaker 3: it comes, but I do want to change it. I
Speaker 3: do want to do it. I have been very vocal about,
Speaker 3: you know, having things change, have a system, but obviously
Speaker 3: it's very it's easy to say, but it's very hard
Speaker 3: to do it. You know, it's very hard to change things.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would really like if there can be
Speaker 3: a system, if we can follow our system and have
Speaker 3: good people involved in the Indian tennis.
Speaker 1: Who are your role models when you were growing up?
Speaker 3: I mean me being Indianized, I watched a lot of
Speaker 3: some dev devironment. Yeah, he actually helps me as well
Speaker 3: some weeks he travels with me. If I say internationally,
Speaker 3: I would say David Ferrer. I watched a lot of
Speaker 3: David Ferrer as well. I watched a lot of Hewitt
Speaker 3: as well. And then I would say I really enjoy
Speaker 3: Joko and Andy Murray's matches as well.
Speaker 1: Sure, David Ferraan and lighton Hewitt, Are there are kind
Speaker 1: of any qualities of theirs that you particularly admire?
Speaker 3: There're are fighters, Yeah, you go on that sort. You're like,
Speaker 3: this is not going to be easy no matter what.
Speaker 3: You know, that that quality it's it's not easy to build.
Speaker 3: It's probably one of the hardest thing to do in
Speaker 3: tennis to have that quality for sure.
Speaker 1: And just tennis in India generally, how popular is it
Speaker 1: at as a sport at a grassroots level?
Speaker 3: I think I think there were better, better times. I
Speaker 3: would say right now, maybe some other sports are picking up.
Speaker 3: You know, badminton's very high right now in India. Uh.
Speaker 3: I would say maybe tennis is at five or six
Speaker 3: in India. I would say something like this. You all,
Speaker 3: football has suppos been playing a lot in India. Obviously,
Speaker 3: cricket is number one by far. Now I think shooting
Speaker 3: is going to come in play, yeah, because we've got
Speaker 3: some medals. So I think I think tennis is kind
Speaker 3: of unfortunately stepping down a bit.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: But that's also because of you know, not not having
Speaker 3: players playing on the highest tour year and after a year.
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned earlier that you train now in Germany.
Speaker 1: I believe you also spent some years in Canada developing
Speaker 1: your game. So tennis has certainly taken you to many
Speaker 1: places anywhere that you particularly love well.
Speaker 3: I loved Barcelona. I was there for like two summer.
Speaker 3: I was a pup or Slam Tennis Academy. Fernando vet
Speaker 3: and Galo Blanco, Hio Aleesco, they are the people who
Speaker 3: own this academy. Yeah too. I think to live it
Speaker 3: was it was very much, but I really had a
Speaker 3: lot of financial problem back in twelve, twenty twelve and
Speaker 3: thirteen uh Germany. I think I really enjoy the people
Speaker 3: I work with, but to to like to live in Germany,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not so so certain about it
Speaker 3: because you know, the culture difference is huge from India
Speaker 3: to Germany. But the people I work Sasha ancel Is,
Speaker 3: the tennis coach, milosch Colleges is the fitness center have been.
Speaker 3: I've known them for a decade now, working with them
Speaker 3: for six years. This is my seventh year now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it's very tough to find people like them,
Speaker 3: you know, it's they become they become like family to me.
Speaker 3: I stayed with my tennis coach in his house, so
Speaker 3: there you go you know it's like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've read that you are also inspired by
Speaker 1: Japanese culture, so you also love Japanese culture so much
Speaker 1: so that it has inspired some of your tattoos. Where
Speaker 1: where did that connection come from?
Speaker 3: I this came from Canada. So when I went to Canada,
Speaker 3: obviously I was very young, right, I was twelve thirty
Speaker 3: and I was alone. I was I would say I
Speaker 3: was staying with my coaches, but my parents were in India.
Speaker 3: I would go doing them maybe once a year, so
Speaker 3: so do do. Let's say, every time I would start
Speaker 3: missing my family, I would watch something try to get
Speaker 3: my mind out of it, you know. And that's how
Speaker 3: I picked up a lot of anime to to watch,
Speaker 3: to watch to trick it may back in time. You
Speaker 3: could watch so many episodes or so many great shows,
Speaker 3: so you know, not not like if I watch a movie,
Speaker 3: movie is done in nineteen minutes, but their animated chats
Speaker 3: has six hundred episodes, seven hundred episodes, so it would
Speaker 3: keep me busy. And that's how I started, you know,
Speaker 3: That's how I started watching it. And I grew up
Speaker 3: and I would always imagine, you know, how things would
Speaker 3: be if if Yeah, and from that imagination it went
Speaker 3: into into into liking the culture you mentioned.
Speaker 1: You know, you were alone when you were younger, developing
Speaker 1: your game overseas. It's quite a lot of sacrifice. What
Speaker 1: what character traits do you think has to do best
Speaker 1: in your career?
Speaker 3: It's very, very tough to say it because obviously there
Speaker 3: were moments where you would doubt yourself. You know, I
Speaker 3: think I think I had to build up a character
Speaker 3: going through so many, so many different things, going through
Speaker 3: so many good and bad days. I would say a
Speaker 3: lot of failures, a lot of setbacks. I there were
Speaker 3: time where you know, when I would walk from from
Speaker 3: a bus stop to to the house, I would cry sometimes,
Speaker 3: you know, uh would be so cold, but I didn't
Speaker 3: really want to walk because I know I never actually
Speaker 3: I never thought Canada would be so cold, right, I
Speaker 3: mean yeah, coming from India, Yeah, worst case, what is it?
Speaker 3: Two degrees and you go Canada as minus lipped in
Speaker 3: You're like, what is this? You nice say? But I
Speaker 3: also believe that for me, I felt like it was
Speaker 3: really necessary to go through that, to to to be
Speaker 3: to build that character. Like I said, I don't know
Speaker 3: if there's a name to it. I want to put it,
Speaker 3: but I think it's just mix mix of so many emotions,
Speaker 3: so many incidents that happened that that made me a
Speaker 3: person that I am today, and so simmer.
Speaker 2: When you think about the season starting really soon, it
Speaker 2: sounds like you're quite motivated to start in Australia. Return there,
Speaker 2: you know, start the season off on a good on
Speaker 2: a good note. Is this kind of the most excited
Speaker 2: you felt or the most motivated you felt for the.
Speaker 3: Bland slide all the start of the season. Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: there said I totally Like before last year, I never
Speaker 3: did well in Australia, never won a round. So I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, whatever, you know, I would. I would
Speaker 3: already look for like February schedule, Like where do I
Speaker 3: start in February. When I'm telling you my Australian Melbourne
Speaker 3: trip has been for like three three four four days.
Speaker 3: Is that you come and you play, you go out,
Speaker 3: you come and you play soll But this time, like
Speaker 3: I said, I feel like I am a better player
Speaker 3: on those fast quotes. Now I can I can play
Speaker 3: better tether and I don't really care like who I play.
Speaker 3: Now I feel like I can, I can be there.
Speaker 2: We're happy to hear that you're excited to come to
Speaker 2: a city which is really good. Also there we remember
Speaker 2: last year you got to go to the end, which
Speaker 2: was a really cool chance for you to you know,
Speaker 2: indulge you a lot of cricket and say that's out
Speaker 2: and they're literally right next to each other. So yeah,
Speaker 2: what were your emotions like when you went to a
Speaker 2: ground that's as famous as the MCG was.
Speaker 3: Definitely unique, you know because I've never thought that tennis
Speaker 3: would take me to cricket and I actually got to
Speaker 3: got to play as well. I panted up for the
Speaker 3: first time life. Yeah, to play play with the red ball.
Speaker 3: I would say it was a very nice, very nice experience,
Speaker 3: very very nice experience. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: So obviously there's the Australia India Test Boxing Day in Melbourne.
Speaker 3: Does that in tasio at all?
Speaker 2: To come earlier to Australia to cash on cricket.
Speaker 3: I let's se if thing goes well, I don't mind it,
Speaker 3: to be honest, you know, with ourm landing at Dettlement
Speaker 3: because I haven't booked my Melbourne to whatever, I'm playing it.
Speaker 2: So if that works, our show And so if you
Speaker 2: look ahead to season twenty twenty five, not just Australia
Speaker 2: but as a whole. What do you do You have
Speaker 2: any goals that you're willing to share with us?
Speaker 3: Obviously, I think I would love to go for top
Speaker 3: fifty this year because it was my first year in
Speaker 3: one hundred. I think I was also seeing what tournaments
Speaker 3: to play, what not to play. I didn't really do
Speaker 3: quite well towards the end of the year. That was
Speaker 3: because of injury, a bit of schedule change, a bit
Speaker 3: of playing in the courts that I was not really
Speaker 3: comfortable playing. But it was very much a learning experience
Speaker 3: for me, you know, to play the play the really
Speaker 3: high high tournaments to the surface that I don't want to.
Speaker 3: But now I would say, like this year I will
Speaker 3: be a little bit smarter on how to schedule it,
Speaker 3: or the team will be and then I think, if
Speaker 3: if body stays well, I will lock to push your
Speaker 3: top fifty.
Speaker 2: Wow, VI, if that was so great, I'm really glad
Speaker 2: you sat ut that interview for us. I really enjoyed
Speaker 2: getting to meet him and talk to him. And also
Speaker 2: what incredible timing that he's due to arrive in Melbourne
Speaker 2: this week, just a few days before the Australia India
Speaker 2: Cricket Test across the bridge at the mcg and he
Speaker 2: said he might even go and watch the Boxing Day test,
Speaker 2: like it's amazing that he can do that.
Speaker 1: I imagine that he will be very excited to return to Melbourne,
Speaker 1: just as he had such great and support here this year.
Speaker 1: So many people will be really pleased to see him
Speaker 1: in return.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well, normally we'd end each episode with our usual spiel,
Speaker 2: but we've got an announcement to make, Viv. This is
Speaker 2: our final episode in the twenty twenty four season of
Speaker 2: The sit Down, and as of next week, we'll be
Speaker 2: bringing you a new season of The sit Down in
Speaker 2: our new home. So if you search for The sit
Speaker 2: Down in wherever you get your podcasts, you'll find us
Speaker 2: on our own feed and Viv, we begin the new
Speaker 2: season with a very special guest.
Speaker 1: We do indeed, we're excited to bring you the legendary
Speaker 1: Martina Hingis, who joins us for a long chat from
Speaker 1: her home in Switzerland, talking about all her tennis achievements,
Speaker 1: her thoughts on the game today, and her special connection
Speaker 1: to the is Drone Open.
Speaker 2: We can't wait to bring you that, and we've had
Speaker 2: a fantastic time bringing you our show this year in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and we can't wait to do it
Speaker 2: again next year in twenty twenty five. We'll see you then,
Speaker 2: Viv look forward to it. Matt