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Speaker 1: So the Artemist one mission, well, it was supposed to

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Speaker 2: Why was it stopped at the last minute?

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Speaker 3: It's like this giant and it's not like when your

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Speaker 3: It's the most powerful since the Saturn five rocket from

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Speaker 1: It's been a long time between drinks. Why why has

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Speaker 4: they fill up on a Tuesday. Thanks Sasure, all the best,