1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,440 Speaker 1: Joining me in the studio. 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:06,359 Speaker 2: NT Police Detective Sergeant of Cyber Crime, Craig Winderbank. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Good morning to you, Craig. 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie. How are you? 5 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, really well, thanks for joining us this morning. 6 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 2: I understand that there's a bit of a warning for 7 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: Territorians at the moment, a phone call or people ringing 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: through to Territorians pretending to be certainly someone that they're not. 9 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we've had a spade of offending at the 10 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 3: moment where offenders are targeting Territorians. They're making fake telephone 11 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 3: calls claiming to be from the ATO Home Affairs or 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 3: even the NT Police and demanding payments of money under 13 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: the threat of arrest. But what's particularly disturbing about this 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 3: one is they're actually faking the police police station telephone 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 3: numbers on the caller ID. 16 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: Wow, so they're able to somehow fake those phone numbers. 17 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: They've got whatever kind of you know, I don't know 18 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: what would you even call it equipment or something where 19 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 2: they're able to use it to be able to hide 20 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: the actual number they're calling from and make it appear 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: as if they're calling from the police station. 22 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, they're using a technique that lets them fake 23 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: the caller ID and then they claim to be from 24 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 3: the police station. And they even get the victim to 25 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: actually google the number during the scam to confirm that 26 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 3: they are a police in claiming to be police, and 27 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 3: that adds legitimacy to their offending. 28 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: The links that these people will go to are quite 29 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 2: unbelievable to rip people off. 30 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 3: Absolutely, this sort offending has been around for quite a while, 31 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 3: but they keep modifying it and developing their offending to 32 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: just keep one step ahead of us, I suppose. 33 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: And so from the reports that you've had, obviously what's 34 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: happening is they're you know, they're ringing these people. They're 35 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 2: saying that they're either Home Affairs ATO or the police. 36 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 2: And are they saying, oh, you've got an outstanding fine 37 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: or you've got this money that you've got to pay. 38 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're making quite an urgent demand. They're saying you've 39 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 3: got an outstanding fine, you've got tax that you haven't paid, 40 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 3: or whatever it might be. They're then demanding the people 41 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: paid immediately or they'll be arrested. 42 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 2: What is the I mean, usually don't you get a 43 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: letter in the mail if you've got an outstanding final 44 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: something anyway. I mean, I don't have many outstanding fives, 45 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: but I'm just trying to wrap my head around what 46 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: the usual process might be. 47 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean the police or the ATO aren't going 48 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: to bring up and make demands like this. It's yeah, 49 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: that's sort of your first indication. I suppose that things 50 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 3: are going wrong. You get a call like this demanding 51 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: you pay the money instantly. It just doesn't happen. So 52 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: if in any doubt at all, we say just hang up. 53 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 54 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: So, and is that the advice really for territorians? Just 55 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: make sure that you hang up if you receive one 56 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 2: of these calls, or if you're not one hundred percent. 57 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 3: Sure, absolutely just hang up, terminate the call. Then if 58 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 3: you're not sure, perhaps bring back that agency on a 59 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 3: number you research yourself. 60 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: Craig, have we had any instances in recent weeks where 61 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: territorians have been fleeced of their hard earned cash as 62 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: a result of this. 63 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely, We've been having reports of this on a daily basis. 64 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 3: But this morning I had someone lose eight thousand dollars 65 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: reported losing eight thousand dollars for exactly this scam. 66 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: It is. 67 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: It's actually really sad and you really feel for people 68 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: because you think it's quite it's easy than we all 69 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: think to actually sort of be scammed. 70 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 3: Absolutely, they're very sophisticated in what they do. They're basically 71 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 3: a business, I suppose in a way, and they're constantly 72 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 3: developing what they do to keep ahead of us. 73 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: So obviously we need to be vigilant. 74 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: We need to make sure if we receive a phone 75 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: call that we're not really sure about, hang up. 76 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: You know. 77 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: If you've gotten outstanding, fine, get in contact with the 78 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: police yourself, not through one of those phone calls. 79 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 3: Absolutely, if you've got any doubt at all during the call, 80 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 3: if they demand payments through unusual means, if the call 81 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: doesn't seem right anything, it'll just hang up and then 82 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: if you want call back the agency and a number 83 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 3: you know yourself. 84 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, Craig, we're just talking with Mattie Hipworth, our news 85 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: man about Black Friday. We're expecting Australians and territories to 86 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 2: spend up big. Also a time to be vigilant when 87 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: it comes to sort of transferring money into places that 88 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: you're not sure about. 89 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: Absolutely, there's obviously going to be quite a bit of 90 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: spending going on online and in response that defenders are 91 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: setting up fake sites and fake on stores and things 92 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 3: like that, so you really need to be vigilant. You 93 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 3: need to double check before you send money to anyone 94 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 3: that you're actually in the right place. 95 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: Maybe just stick to those those trusted websites that. 96 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: You know absolutely and just be cautious when you're on 97 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 3: the internet. 98 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, by local, that's always a good thing to do. 99 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: Solve the problem, it will. 100 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: Craig Windo Bank, the detective sergeant with Cybercrime, always appreciate 101 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 2: your time, mate, Thanks so much for coming in this morning. 102 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 3: No ways, thank you.