1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: As I just mentioned, we now know that the Northern 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Territory Police have arrested a thirty five year old woman 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: in relation to the domestic violence incident that occurred on 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: the weekend. Now we've been contacted by a number of 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: listeners about this, So and Katie, we understand that there's 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: been another stabbing in the city, or certainly another serious 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: incident in the city. This was over the weekend, but 8 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: yesterday starting to get those phone calls, the Northern Territory 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: Police then confirming that there was indeed a domestic violence 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: incident where a bottle was allegedly thrown. They've now arrested 11 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: this thirty five year old woman in relation to what 12 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: they've described as a domestic violence incident that occurred. The 13 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: woman was arrested this morning by detectives from Strikeforce Lira, 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: where she currently remains in custody, expected to be charged 15 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: with multiple domestic violence offenses later today. Now, unfortunately not 16 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: the only incredibly serious incident that we are talking about, 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: because we know the Northern Territory Police are continuing to 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: investigate the stabbing death of a man in the city 19 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: in the early hours of Saturday morning. A thirty six 20 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: year old man was stabbed in the stomach outside Willworths 21 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: in the city. Paramedics conveyed the victim to Royal Dalen 22 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: Hospital in a critical condition, but he died as a 23 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: result of his injuries. Major crime detectives are continuing to 24 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: investigate the circumstances surrounding the incident and a calling for 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: anybody with information to come forward. 26 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: Now, joining me in the. 27 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: Studio as she does most Tuesday mornings, is the Opposition 28 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: leader Leah fanocchi are O. 29 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: Good boarding to you, Leah. 30 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: Good morning Katie, and to your listeners. 31 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 2: Now, Leah, what. 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: Was your reaction when you learned that a man had 33 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: been stabbed in the city and indeed died as a 34 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: result of those injuries. 35 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 4: It's another tragedy, Katie, and it's terrifying for people who 36 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 4: work and live and use the city. It's incredibly distressing 37 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 4: for all the people related to this man, to all 38 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: of the friends and family to buystanders. 39 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: I mean, this. 40 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 4: Should just not be had. It's the fourth public stabbing 41 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 4: death we've had this year in the territory, Katie, and 42 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 4: ultimately government's rhetoric around never put more money in it 43 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 4: ever before, and having a knife crime strategy and having 44 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 4: a BOW strategy is falling flat. It's not delivering the 45 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,519 Speaker 4: outcome people want, which is to have a safer community. 46 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: Now, obviously I've just touched on the fact that we've 47 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: had for very public deaths. There is a lot of 48 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: detail which is still not known following the most recent stabbing, 49 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: but what we do know is that a man has. 50 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: Passed away as a result of this file and attack. 51 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: A lot of people are really questioning at this point 52 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: how many lives are going to be lost at the 53 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: hands of an offender with a knife before the government 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: commits to some more serious change. 55 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 4: I actually don't think that this government is going to 56 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 4: implement any additional change. They have not only shown through 57 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,679 Speaker 4: their actions and their words that they are not going 58 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 4: to make anything different. They're not going to strengthen the law, 59 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 4: but they're actually demonstrating they're totally unwilling to do so 60 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 4: as well. 61 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 3: And that's a big difference. 62 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 4: There's things you can do and then there's whether or 63 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: not you have any inclination to do them, and this 64 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 4: government has shown that it is. You know, It's Bow 65 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 4: review came out and after six months it didn't make 66 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 4: any You. 67 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: Think that they are resisting. Why do you think that 68 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: they're resisting to making more serious change here? It's what 69 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: the community is absolutely screaming for. So Leah, why do 70 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: you think that they're not doing it? Is it because 71 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: the jails are already so full that they can't afford 72 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: to have more people arrested, or they can't afford to 73 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: have more people going into jail. 74 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 4: I think they can't admit that they have failed. I mean, 75 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 4: this is the government that came in immediately watered down bail, 76 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: disempowered our police to deal with alcohol and youth offenders, 77 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 4: systematically dismantled a whole range of laws that were there 78 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 4: to protect the community. And I think they're just too 79 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 4: proud and too arrogant to actually do what's required to 80 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 4: make people safe. But Katie, the impact is profound, not 81 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 4: just on loss of life, on personal safety, but on 82 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 4: our business community. Staff feel unsafe to go to work. 83 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 4: People are leaving the territory, people are not coming to 84 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 4: the territory. 85 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: People are shutting down. 86 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 4: Their businesses, closing their doors, operating behind locked glass, you 87 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 4: know whis you name it, roller shutters. This is not 88 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 4: normal and that's what Labor and Natasha fhals are doing. 89 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,679 Speaker 4: They are trying to normalize this behavior. But a stabbing 90 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 4: death in a CBD is not normal, and it's not 91 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 4: normal to find giant pools of blood. 92 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: None of this is normal, Katie. 93 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: Now, the man's death comes less than two months after 94 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government passed the laws allowing police to 95 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: want people for knives and other weapons. The legislation was 96 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: tabled in response to the stabbing deaths of Deckland Lavity 97 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: as we all know. Do you think that the wanding 98 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: would have helped in this situation? No? 99 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 4: I don't explain very clearly why this wandering legislation is 100 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 4: very restrictive and limiting on police. There are a number 101 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 4: of criteria and thresholds that police have to jump through 102 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 4: the hoops of to be able to wand someone. Now, 103 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 4: if police have reasonable suspicion, they have their normal ordinary powers. 104 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 4: But in terms of wanding in a public place where 105 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 4: police just want to do that preventative work that government 106 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 4: is trying to make this sound like it is, it's 107 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 4: just not true. There are numerous hurdles, it's very complicated, 108 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 4: and ultimately I don't know that the result would have 109 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 4: been any different and certainly wanding is one tool, but 110 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 4: is not enough. 111 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: So at this point in time, you really feel as 112 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: though the various announcements that they have made are not enough. 113 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 4: They are not enough. They are literally that just announcements. 114 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 4: Declan Lavity was killed and government came out and said 115 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 4: we'll have a bail review and a knife crime strategy. 116 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 4: Well we're six months down the road, Katie, and the 117 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 4: bow review didn't make any changes to bow laws, and 118 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 4: the knife crime strategy still hasn't been implemented, and our 119 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 4: police have highly restrictive use of wand so it's not 120 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 4: going to be enough. What we need is stronger laws, 121 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 4: more cobs and consequences for offending. That's what needs to 122 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 4: be done, and this government is totally unwilling to do that. 123 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: Unfortunately. You know, this is not the first incident, as 124 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: I've already touched on. There was that domestic violence incident 125 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: as well on Mirr and Bina Street which saw a 126 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: bottle thrown at a woman resulting in lacerations to her legs. 127 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: We now know that the Northern Territory Police have made 128 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: an arrest on that. We spoke to debin pine Land 129 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: yesterday who said that a woman she knows had a 130 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: key stolen and her car taken on Saturday in broad daylight. 131 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: Rick called us yesterday after his daughter's car was damaged 132 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: in Palmerston, and we also know that two youths were 133 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: assaulted at the Palmerston bus exchange on Friday morning. Leah, 134 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 1: do you think that the government is ignoring the calls 135 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: of locals. 136 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 2: Right now when it comes to crime. 137 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 4: It's more than ignoring, Katie, it's willfully tracking forward with 138 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 4: an ideologically driven agenda that is not delivering for the 139 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 4: very people that this government are elected to protect. Any 140 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 4: government's first responsibility it is to its community to create 141 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 4: a safe environment to live, work and enjoy your life. 142 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 4: And none of those are happening for any territory, no 143 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 4: matter where they live right now. And yet this government 144 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: has no plans to address that, no political will to 145 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 4: deal with it, and absolutely no care for the trauma 146 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 4: that this is inflicting. 147 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 3: We've had twenty who. 148 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: Think needs to happen, because again I will say to you, 149 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: and I've said this to you on so many occasions, 150 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: at the moment, people are absolutely fitter, they're feeling unsafe, 151 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: they're feeling like the territory that they know and love 152 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: has been lost. They're feeling like things are out of control, 153 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: but they're also they're feeling as though the opposition is 154 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: being just that an opposition and being netive about everything 155 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: and not coming forward with other solutions. Now, I know 156 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: you've spoken us through different solutions that you've got, but 157 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: what do you think needs to immediately happen here? Because 158 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: it's fine to throw stones, but what do you reckon 159 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: needs to immediately happen so that we see things cleaned 160 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: up on the streets. 161 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: Katie immediately. 162 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 4: If I was Chief Minister, I would immediately strengthen bow laws. 163 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 4: We need to stop criminals getting bail. That is a 164 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 4: number one important thing. The second thing we need to 165 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 4: do is have compulsory alcohol treatment so that chronically affected 166 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 4: alcoholics are not our destroying themselves and the others that 167 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 4: they love and our community. 168 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: We've got a question from one of our listeners about 169 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: this last week, and they said to me, Katie, last 170 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: time that those mandatory alcohol rehabilitation that that was in place, 171 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: that people were still just leaving the rehab center, so 172 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't a situation where they're actually being forced to stay. 173 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: So that listener was saying, you know this is a 174 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: bit of bs that that it's not actually going to work. 175 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 4: Well, you know at the start of that program that 176 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 4: was happening. 177 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 3: By the end it wasn't. 178 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 4: And we haven't said we're doing a cookie cutter replay 179 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 4: of the previous version. 180 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: It will be different. 181 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 4: But ultimately we have to get chronically affected alcoholics treated 182 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 4: for the actual root cause of their offending and destructive behavior. 183 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 4: We also need our policy is to empower police when 184 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 4: it comes to dealing with alcohol and youth offenders, because 185 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 4: we know that labor have totally stripped the guts out 186 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 4: of the laws that allow our police to deal with it. So, 187 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 4: in a nutshell, Katie, our policies are around stronger laws, 188 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 4: more police and consequences for offending. We can do that 189 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 4: through a range of legislative reforms that we already have 190 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 4: ready to go. Will you come out to building a 191 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 4: bigger jial If that's what's needed, so be it, Katie. 192 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 4: I mean, ultimately, yet you would have to that's what 193 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 4: governments have to do. I mean people are saying to 194 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 4: me constantly, but Leah, the prisons are full. Well, I 195 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 4: challenge everyone who says that to me. Do you want 196 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 4: to have a full prison or do you want to 197 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 4: have criminals out on the street, Because that's the choice 198 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 4: labor and making for you, and that is why this 199 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 4: community is so unsafe. 200 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 2: The government will go you want that. They're going to say, 201 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: you know, you. 202 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: Know, your solution here is to build bigger jails rather 203 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: than tackle. 204 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: This issue at the root. 205 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 4: Course, you have to tackle it at the root cause, 206 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 4: and there are policies to deal with that. But right 207 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 4: now tomorrow, people want to live in safety and that 208 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 4: means there needs to be less criminals on the street. 209 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 4: I do not and will never subscribe to leaving criminals 210 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 4: out to reoffend and destroy people's lives because we have 211 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 4: an infrastructure problem out at the prison that is not okay. 212 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: Leah Gella from Stompshoes joined us on the show yesterday. 213 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: She said she wants both sides of politics to get 214 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: together and sort this issue out. 215 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: That is the. 216 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: Sentiment with a lot of people at this point. Would 217 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: you commit to doing that? 218 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 4: We have that so many times, Katie. This is not 219 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 4: an issue with the COLP. It is with the government. 220 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 4: Even just two or three weeks ago, we brought legislation 221 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 4: into the parliament so that serious violent offenders start with 222 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 4: a position of no bail and labor just turn their backs. 223 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: And the command. 224 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: So obviously there's different things that you've tried to do. 225 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 1: The government's got their side of things that they're trying 226 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: to do. Is there any option here where both of 227 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: you actually go, do you know what? We need to 228 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 1: sit down and we actually need to sort this out 229 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: because the community is hurting. 230 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 4: Can I just say this is not an issue with us. 231 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:38,439 Speaker 4: We are always offering solutions. We are always trying because. 232 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: You're not prepared to waver on any of your fame 233 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: as the government's not prepared to waive. 234 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 4: That's totally not true. There are many things in Parliament 235 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 4: we have supported. We only don't support things that we 236 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 4: see not working through feedback from the community. So we 237 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 4: have supported many things this government has done, but we 238 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 4: will not stand by and let them continue to destroy 239 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 4: the territory. Ultimately, they have stopped parliamentary committees that could 240 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 4: deal with this from going ahead. They've stopped debate on legislation, 241 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 4: they stop everything because they are arrogant and out of 242 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,719 Speaker 4: touch and they have lost the will to govern. They 243 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 4: are not dealing with the issues that people care most 244 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 4: about and that's to be safe. And as a result, 245 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 4: they are destroying the territory little by little every single day. 246 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: So at this point, you know what is to happen 247 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory until we limp along to an election. 248 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: You know, we've got a government that's standing firm on 249 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: what they're doing. You know, we've got you saying that 250 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: you're prepared to work with them, but you're saying that 251 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 1: they're arrogant and out of touch, which aren't really cooperative words. 252 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: So what do we do now at this point? Because 253 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: the community has had an absolute gutful. It's not about 254 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: cooperative words. 255 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 4: The opportunities for cooperation are in the Parliament, they're laid 256 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 4: out and they are rejected by this government. Ultimately, what 257 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 4: we know is this government are not going to change 258 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 4: their ways. They that through their actions and their words, 259 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 4: the only way to have a safe and strong territory 260 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 4: is to vote for the COLP at the next election. 261 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: Katie. Quite honestly, this government has packed its bags. 262 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: And again say what happens in the meantime because the 263 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: community keep people suffering, And so I get that you 264 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: and the government have got your slogans for being elected 265 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: next time round. But what people want right now is 266 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: for the Parliament to work together and sort this out. 267 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 4: But the parliament can't if government won't. The government hold 268 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 4: the numbers in the Parliament, the government control the public service, 269 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 4: the government control all of the resources. If the government 270 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 4: is unwilling, then Territorians will absolutely continue to suffer. And 271 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 4: it is a disgrace and it breaks my heart, Katie, 272 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 4: because I was born here, my father was born here, 273 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 4: my children are born here, and I love this place 274 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 4: and I wake up every day to fight for a 275 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 4: better territory. And if Labour want to squander the opportunity 276 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 4: and destroy people's lives, then Territorians have to show them 277 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 4: a lift and add the ballot box in August Lea. 278 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: I do just want to ask you very quickly about 279 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: the announcement that was made yesterday around public housing at 280 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: Shars Street. Now we know that the Northern Territory Government 281 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: have announced that they've now awarded the tender for the 282 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: construction and demolition well to demolish and remediate the public 283 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: housing complex on Shares Street. Of no doubt that to 284 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: people who live within proximity of that public housing complex 285 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: that they're probably pretty pleased that this has happened. 286 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: However, you know, taking a look through. 287 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: The wait times when you go on the Northern Territory 288 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: Public Housing website, you know you are literally looking at 289 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: in Alice Springs for a one bedroom, a one bedroom 290 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: house or a unit six to eight years. When you 291 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: go to Palmerston for a one bedroom home or unit 292 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: eight to ten years, the numbers are astronomical. 293 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're talking about vulnerable people, families with children, Katie, 294 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 4: I think absolutely people in the narrows are going to 295 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 4: welcome sheer streets flats being knocked down. It's something when 296 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 4: I was a local member that I was certainly fighting for, 297 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 4: so I know that issue well. But ultimately those weight 298 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 4: times are totally unacceptable and what we need to be 299 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 4: ensuring is that there is that suite of housing right 300 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 4: across the territory for all neats. So families who need 301 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 4: that support, seniors who need support, people transitioning into work, 302 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 4: all of those areas need to be looked at. And 303 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 4: when government doesn't have a plan to deal with weight list, 304 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 4: this is exactly what happens. I mean, it's no different 305 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 4: to victims of crime waiting four years for compensation. You know, 306 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 4: weight lists are too long right across the board because 307 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 4: this government isn't dealing with the issues at hand. 308 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: Even when you look at the applications for public housing 309 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: compared to vacant public housing homes right now, the total 310 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: number around the Darwin region is two thousand, five hundred 311 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: and thirty two people on that wait list, seventy three 312 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: homes a vacant Yeah, this happens astronomical. 313 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 3: It happens a lot. 314 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 4: People tell you all the time they've got vacant public 315 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 4: housing and yet the weight list is huge. Something I've 316 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 4: been working on with the Jinglely community who are very 317 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 4: angry about some of the terrible antisocial behavior around public housing. 318 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 4: They're really angry because the rules aren't being enforced. So 319 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 4: you have people who have that opportunity to have public 320 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 4: housing and that important support provided by the taxpayer, and 321 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 4: they squander that opportunity. 322 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 3: And so we need it. 323 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: We need to get a bit tougher we do the government. 324 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 4: It's not about being tough, it's about having the right 325 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 4: tendency supports in place. 326 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: But it's also about drawing a line in the sand. 327 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 4: You know, when there is total mass destruction of housing 328 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 4: and people aren't changing their ways despite support. We need 329 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 4: to be moving those people on and letting the families 330 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 4: and the seniors who need it the most take that 331 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 4: opportunity and have that housing. 332 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: Where do they go though? 333 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: Then, you know, if you're kicking people out on the street, 334 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: does that just sort of make the situation works. 335 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: I don't disagree with you, like I do think. 336 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: If there are if there are seniors that are on 337 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: weight list that need to get into a home, and 338 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: there's people that are not doing the right thing and 339 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: you're not actually respecting a property, I think you do 340 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: need to sort of have a closer look at that. 341 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 2: But then the. 342 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: Argument would always be if they're out on the street, 343 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: it's going to be worse and there's going to be more, 344 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: you know, bad behavior as a consequence. 345 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 4: Sure, Katie, But ultimately, you know, we have public housing 346 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 4: is something paid for and supported by the taxpayer, and 347 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 4: there are many thousands of people who desperately need it, 348 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 4: value that opportunity and respect it, and then they are 349 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 4: a handful who do not, And ultimately you cannot let 350 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 4: entire communities suffer because of that. You have to deal 351 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 4: with the people who are doing the wrong thing well. 352 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: Leah Fanocchiaro, the opposition leader, always appreciate your time. 353 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 2: Thanks very much for joining us in the studio. 354 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 3: Thank you, take care everyone. 355 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: Thank you.