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Speaker 1: Rillain' woody podcasting. Now, well, we've gotten a pretty large,

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Speaker 1: very contentious issue that I read about in the news today,

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Speaker 1: which is a little bit of a tone shift for

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Speaker 1: this show if I'm going, oh shift, Okay, yeah wow,

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Speaker 1: Because and I don't think that you're fully equipped to

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Speaker 1: have this conversation with me. I don't think I'm fully

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Speaker 1: equipped to be talking about this myself, to be honest, because.

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Speaker 2: And that's why you've brought in one of the superstars

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Speaker 2: of the afl WH, Sabrina Frederick.

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Speaker 3: Introducing afl W superstar Sabrina Frederick, nominated for the Rising

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Speaker 3: Star Award in twenty seventeen and even claimed all Australian

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Speaker 3: honors in twenty seventeen and eighteen.

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Speaker 4: She Speak, She Sat, and She Goals.

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Speaker 3: Frederick Traub, the former Brisbane line was traded to the

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Speaker 3: Richmond Tigers for the twenty twenty season. After debuting in

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Speaker 3: Round one, she kicked the team's first ever goal in

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Speaker 3: the competition. Welcome, Sabrina Frederick.

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Speaker 1: Ok that, no, welcome, thank you?

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Speaker 4: Thanks on me?

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Speaker 1: Well yeah you say that, but here we go. I'm

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Speaker 1: really really interested to get your point of view here, Ma,

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Speaker 1: because I'll tell you that The story today is that

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Speaker 1: there are three the families of three female high school

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Speaker 1: runners in the US filed a federal lawsuits, so they're

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Speaker 1: suing to try and block transgender athletes in Connecticut from

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Speaker 1: participating in girls sports.

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Speaker 4: It's crazy wild.

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Speaker 1: And that's at the high school level right now. I

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Speaker 1: obviously started looking around a little bit about this online

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Speaker 1: and it is something which is really sets a fire

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Speaker 1: under both sides of the equation. And you know, to

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Speaker 1: be honest, I'm not a woman, I'm not transgender. I'm

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Speaker 1: not involved in female sport. But that's why, Sabrina, this

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Speaker 1: has worked out so perfectly that you're in here. What

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Speaker 1: do you think? Do you think that transgender athletes should

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Speaker 1: be able to participate in females?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's such a hard one. And obviously I'm

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Speaker 4: not transgender myself, so it's I don't know how they're

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Speaker 4: feeling in this situation, and I guess no one's going

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Speaker 4: to know until they're in that situation. But it's it's

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Speaker 4: at a point now where the conversations are happening and

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Speaker 4: more people are figuring out their identity. You know, more

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Speaker 4: people are coming out and really embracing who they are.

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Speaker 4: And I think that opens the door to have these

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Speaker 4: conversations of where does that sit. We had an issue

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Speaker 4: I think it was a year ago now just over

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Speaker 4: a year ago, or we had a transgender athlete wanting

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Speaker 4: to play a for W and it kind of caused

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Speaker 4: a lot of controversy. And I think the reason why

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Speaker 4: it does is because there's a lot of unknowns and

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Speaker 4: there's no real I guess process put in place for that.

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Speaker 2: It's it's completely new churchy, and I think as a

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Speaker 2: society we're becoming far more accepting. There's still a long

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Speaker 2: way to go of the transgender community, but this is

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Speaker 2: almost a backward step, isn't Or it could be a

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Speaker 2: backward step for it. And we're saying like, yes, of

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Speaker 2: course we're accepting that when we're fully supportive of that,

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Speaker 2: but oh, you can't play or you can't do that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but then we're okay with everything else, but.

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Speaker 2: You can't do that. Yeah, that, But then there's the

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Speaker 2: other side of it, which is and I don't know

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Speaker 2: a huge amount about the physiological differences, but I do

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Speaker 2: know like high testosterone, for example, Yeah, would be one

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Speaker 2: physiological Yeah, let's say advantage. Yes, someone who used to

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Speaker 2: be a man, and then you can see some people go,

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Speaker 2: well that's not fair.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's such a tricky one and I think

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Speaker 4: that that's where the afl ended up landing on that is,

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Speaker 4: you know, and they probably got scrutinized a lot, but

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Speaker 4: in the day, they're probably the first sport to actually

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Speaker 4: come out and say, well, you know, this is the

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Speaker 4: process that we're putting in place. And yes, unfortunately one

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Speaker 4: person missed out on that on that situation, but sometimes

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Speaker 4: you do have to draw the line and set the stone.

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Speaker 4: So in the future we can have some transgender athletes

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Speaker 4: participating in afl W.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's a body good point, Sabrina. Gee, whizh, she's

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Speaker 1: speaking well about it. I've got a hypothetical for you

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Speaker 1: right up next, though, please, Sabrina Frederick from the aflw's

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Speaker 1: Richmond Tiger's in the studio and we're talking about transgender

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Speaker 1: athletes competing in female sports. Highly contentious issue, hot and happening,

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Speaker 1: and it's wonderful get her point of view. There's much

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Speaker 1: more happening right at me podcasting talking about a particularly

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Speaker 1: contentious issue at the moment, and that is transgender athletes

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Speaker 1: competing in female sport. To join us with the conversation

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Speaker 1: is Sabrina Frederick from the afl w's Richmond Tigers. Oh Dode,

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Speaker 1: that's a good song. It's that's your day. It is

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Speaker 1: a great song. Now, look, I want to get down

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Speaker 1: to brass tags here, Sabrina, because at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, the really vociferous women who are commenting under

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Speaker 1: this so quick one from me, vociferous, outwardly spoken, really

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Speaker 1: I'm going to say, up in arms about the idea

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Speaker 1: of transgender is playing their sport or code are the

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Speaker 1: ones who are essentially saying that they don't stand a chance.

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's the guts of the argument. There's a

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Speaker 1: comment here that I'm reading from this woman on Reddit

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Speaker 1: who said that she was playing softball with a woman

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Speaker 1: or a transgender who was one hundred and ten killos

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Speaker 1: and six foot three, and she was like every time,

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Speaker 1: like like she hit a home run every single time,

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Speaker 1: and that was like and every time she'd with the MVP,

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Speaker 1: and every time that she was like, her question was,

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether she would still have fun doing that,

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Speaker 1: And that's like, that's that's that's obviously heavy language ver

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Speaker 1: to be saying, but I can hear I can hear

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Speaker 1: that side of the argument as well, which is that

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Speaker 1: sense of is this fair? And a really good question

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Speaker 1: I think for you, Sabrina, is you used to play

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Speaker 1: in mixed gender teams when you're when you were younger.

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Speaker 1: Can you give me a sense of how that was,

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Speaker 1: and like, you know, how is that similar? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And I think, I mean, yeah, I play with the

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Speaker 4: boys growing up, and probably the difference for me and

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Speaker 4: probably what I didn't feel like I was at a

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Speaker 4: disadvantage playing with the boys is because I am I

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Speaker 4: am six foot and I'm around one hundred kilos, so.

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Speaker 1: That could be.

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Speaker 4: I won my m v P in my first year,

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Speaker 4: so I've been there, and it's yeah, it's it's a

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Speaker 4: hard one because I guess if you're coming from the

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Speaker 4: argument of that specific case where she didn't feel comfortable,

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Speaker 4: it's you know, I'm not transgender, but I'm the same

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Speaker 4: height as that person on the same build. So it's

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Speaker 4: it's there's so many points. But I think also like

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Speaker 4: for me personally, if I'm going in tackling someone smaller

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Speaker 4: I just according.

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Speaker 2: To ob you wouldn't know that you go pretty hard.

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Speaker 4: I think you're pretty aware of what's going to happen

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Speaker 4: when you tackle someone, especially if their heads a bit

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Speaker 4: about to hit the ground. And and I'm the type

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Speaker 4: of person that i play definitely with grunt, but I'm

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Speaker 4: out there playing fair and say if like, I don't

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Speaker 4: want to, I don't want to kill someone out there.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's just being aware of you know,

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Speaker 4: your size. There's always going to be safety risks, definitely,

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Speaker 4: But I think the one what you.

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Speaker 1: Were saying before is you know, surely you know if

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Speaker 1: you can, Sabrina think to yourself, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: tackle fairly and stuff. Surely we would give them the

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Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt if they were in a transgender

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Speaker 1: coming in and doing the same thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely think it opens the door to bigger conversation.

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Speaker 4: And that's the one thing that I think is a

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Speaker 4: positive out of this is it opens the conversation to go, Okay,

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Speaker 4: this is where we're at now. More and more and

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Speaker 4: more people are coming out that want to want to

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Speaker 4: participate in the sport, So let's talk about it. What

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Speaker 4: processes are we putting in place so we can be

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Speaker 4: as inclusive as possible, because in the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: I feel you don't want anyone to feel like a

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Speaker 4: minority and feel like they don't have a place, because

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Speaker 4: in the day, sport's amazing. I love playing sport. I

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Speaker 4: love sport growing up. And you never want to be

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Speaker 4: in a situation where you've been turned away just because

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Speaker 4: you're embracing who you are.

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Speaker 1: Think about somebody who's you know, thirteen or fourteen and

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Speaker 1: just transitioned and you know, really still dreaming on playing footy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to be the one to crush their

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Speaker 1: dreams exactly.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I think some more conversation the better because I

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Speaker 4: think in the future it needs something needs to be decided. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we can't just keep shunning the door, the same as

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Speaker 4: every other issue that has ever. We have to make

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Speaker 4: sure that we we have these open conversations. And yeah

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Speaker 4: they're difficult, they're absolutely difficult. But if we don't talk

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Speaker 4: about it, it's not going to go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Hey well said, yeah, yeah, you pot of the show

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Speaker 1: such a treat.

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Speaker 2: We just have you been dropping wisdom bombs everywhere.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, by twenty three year old pieces of wisdom.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Sabina Frederick in here from the brand new

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Speaker 1: Richmond Tiger's afl W outfit mate.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for coming in first goalscorer ever for

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Speaker 2: the Richmond Tiger's anfl W side. So remember that forture.

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