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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to the Daily Odds. It is Monday,

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Speaker 1: the sixth of June, and on today's episode of The

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Speaker 1: Daily Odds, we're bringing two news stories together and talking

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Speaker 1: about what the republic movement in Australia is looking like

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Speaker 1: today and also why we're talking about it in the

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Speaker 1: first place, which is of course the Queen's Platinum Jubilee.

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Speaker 1: But Sam, before we get there, there was an announcement

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Speaker 1: from Opposition leader Peter Dutton yesterday.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Zara. Peter Dunnon announced his shadow cabinet on Sunday,

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Speaker 2: so we're talking here about the opposition government. Deputy Liberal

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Speaker 2: Leader Susan Lee will also take on the Industry and

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Speaker 2: Women's portfolios, while Angus Taylor will become Shadow Treasurer, Alan

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Speaker 2: Tudge will serve as Shadow Education Minister, and Andrew Hasty

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Speaker 2: will take on the Defense portfolio. There are ten women

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Speaker 2: in Dudden's shadow cabinet.

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Speaker 1: According to Superintendent Hal Harrell, the rob Elementary School, which

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Speaker 1: was the school that was the site of the school

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Speaker 1: shooting just last week, will never house students again. The

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Speaker 1: school will become something other than a school site where

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Speaker 1: the words of the superintendent. With the new address of

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Speaker 1: the school to be announced very soon.

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Speaker 2: Sticking with overseas news, and this weekend marked one hundred

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Speaker 2: days since Russia first invaded Ukraine. To mark the date,

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Speaker 2: Ukrainian President Vladimis Zelenski shared a video on social media.

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Speaker 2: He said, Ukraine's armed forces are here. The most important

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Speaker 2: thing is our people. The people of our state are here.

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Speaker 2: We've been defending Ukraine for one hundred days already, victory

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Speaker 2: will be ours.

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Speaker 1: And finally, for some good news, if you want to

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Speaker 1: feel like you're not living your life to the fullest,

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Speaker 1: an eighty three year old man has become the oldest

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Speaker 1: person to sail solo NonStop across the Pacific. Before leaving

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Speaker 1: Kenichi Hoi said his only fear about the task ahead

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Speaker 1: was his age. But clearly he overcame that, okay, so

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Speaker 1: sam as I said at the top. This weekend, celebrations

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Speaker 1: were held across the UK to celebrate the platinum jubilee

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Speaker 1: of Queenlielizabeth the Second. But here at home, This event,

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Speaker 1: as well as some other political events, have triggered a

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Speaker 1: renewed discussion about Australia's place in the monarch and whether

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Speaker 1: an exit is on the horizon. But verse sam, what

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Speaker 1: is the Platinum Jubilee.

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Speaker 2: It was pretty hard to escape images of the Platinum

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Speaker 2: Jubilee celebrations in the UK. This weekend there was particular

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Speaker 2: images of the Queen's very unimpressed looking great grandchildren going

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Speaker 2: viral online, and then just yesterday we saw a lot

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Speaker 2: of footage of the big concert that marked the Platinum Jubilee. Now,

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Speaker 2: the Platinum Jubilee marks Queen Elizabeth's seventieth year on the throne.

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Speaker 2: She's the first British monarch to reach that milestone. Her

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Speaker 2: great great grandmother, Queen Victoria, was previously the longest serving monarch.

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Speaker 2: She reigned for sixty three years before she died at

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Speaker 2: eighty one in nineteen oh one. So basically, a jubilee

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Speaker 2: context to mark milestones of a British monarch. Golden Jubilee

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Speaker 2: and a platinum is seventieth. British people are celebrating the

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Speaker 2: seventieth by being granted extra time off work watching events

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Speaker 2: together in pubs and holding picnics and street parties. At

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Speaker 2: one point during yesterday's gala concert, which was at about

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Speaker 2: five am in Sydney, the Queen's son and future King,

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Speaker 2: Prince Charles, took to the stage and delivered a speech

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Speaker 2: where he praised his mother, who actually wasn't in attendance.

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Speaker 2: Here's a bit of that speech.

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Speaker 3: Your majesty Mummy. The scale of this evening celebration and

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Speaker 3: the outpouring of warmth and affection over this whole Jubilee

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Speaker 1: So here in Australia we have the Queen's Birthday public

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Speaker 1: because as we know, we are part of the monarch.

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Speaker 1: But there is some chatter about us becoming a republic. Now,

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Speaker 1: republic is sometimes confused with the Republicans in the US.

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Speaker 1: Can you Sam take us through exactly what a republic is, Zara.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this is a definition we're going to

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Speaker 2: the decade to come. Becoming a republic would mean changing

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Speaker 2: it would be an Australian person instead of a member

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Speaker 1: So, just to clarify, who is Australia's head of state

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Speaker 2: I guess strictly speaking, head of state is a little

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Speaker 2: In some ways it's the Queen. In other ways it's

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Speaker 2: The term head of State is not used in our constitution,

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Speaker 2: we do have Section sixty one of the Constitution which

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Speaker 2: that would be a separate position to the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 2: One interesting technical point I wanted to make here, Australia

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Speaker 2: would still be a member of the Commonwealth if it

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Speaker 2: became a republic, and for sports fans, this would mean

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Speaker 2: of the fifty four member states of the Commonwealth, there

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Speaker 2: are thirty four that are republics. Most recently you would

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Speaker 2: have seen this in the news that Barbados became a

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Speaker 2: republic last year. And this is actually one of the

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Speaker 2: big misconceptions in the discussion that when Australia becomes a republic,

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Speaker 2: we could and we probably will remain a member of

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Speaker 2: the Commonwealth. I guess if were really to boil it down,

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Speaker 2: the Commonwealth is just an alliance. Australia contributes to the

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Speaker 2: member states, specifically the smaller states, but in turn we

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Speaker 2: expect that same support if Australia was ever in trouble.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and to apply this republic movement in an Australian

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Speaker 1: political context, there was a big step taken by Anthony

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Speaker 1: talk me through that.

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Speaker 2: So for the first time a government MP has been

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Speaker 2: given official responsibility for exploring this model of Australia as

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Speaker 2: a republic. Matt Fisawait, who has been in the Labor

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Speaker 2: Minister for the Republic. Interestingly, he held this position as a

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Speaker 2: He had a chat to the ABC last week about

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Speaker 2: what this portfolio would mean.

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Speaker 4: It means that we can now begin a serious discussion

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Speaker 4: about recognizing Australia's independence, how maturity, and hopefully moving one

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to hear this MP talking about what

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Speaker 1: the actual logistical steps to get there are another matter altogether.

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Speaker 1: Can you take people through what that would actually mean

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Speaker 2: So to become a republic, Australia would need to change

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Speaker 2: the section that needs to be changed and that would

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Speaker 2: require a referendum. Now, a referendum is a vote put

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Speaker 2: this enshrined document. For a referendum to be successful, it

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Speaker 2: been here before. In nineteen ninety nine there was a

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Speaker 2: referendum on the republic and this referendum failed, with the

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Speaker 2: majority of Australians voting to keep the Queen as Australia's

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Speaker 2: head of state. At the time, about forty five percent

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Speaker 2: of the public said yes to a republic, whilst fifty

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Speaker 2: the Labour Party has said it would hold a second

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Speaker 2: have a referendum on whether Australia should enshrine a First

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Speaker 1: To round out this discussion, it does seem to be

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Speaker 1: a largely symbolic debate, at least at the moment. Certainly

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Speaker 1: we're not going to have a referendum in the next

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Speaker 1: three years of government. So what do both sides of

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Speaker 1: this debate argue for whether or not we should remain

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Speaker 2: So let me present you with kind of the elevated

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Speaker 2: pictures from both the Republican Movement and the Australian Monarchist League.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the Republican Movement. They say Australia should

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Speaker 2: have an Australian as our head of state instead of

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Speaker 2: able to choose who represents us. They say things like

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Speaker 2: our head of state should live here, they should be

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Speaker 2: a proud Australian. They should be able to unify our

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Speaker 2: nations in times of celebration or crisis, something that they

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Speaker 2: say that King or Queen of the UK could never

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Speaker 2: that to continue to allow such an important role to

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Speaker 2: like we're expecting Prince Charles to become King Charles, is undemocratic. So,

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Speaker 2: in summary, an independent country deserves to elect its own

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Speaker 2: the Australian Monarchist League says the current Australian system of

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Speaker 2: an Australian Governor General appointed by the Queen as her representative,

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Speaker 2: summary from them, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Speaker 1: We'd love to know which side of the argument you

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Speaker 1: fall on, whether you want to see Australia continue to

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Speaker 1: live in a constitutional monarchy or whether you want a

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Speaker 1: republic for this country. It's certainly an interesting debate and

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Speaker 1: something that comes up every so often and will certainly

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Speaker 1: be reignited with the appointment of an Assistant Minister for

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Speaker 1: the Republic. That is all we have time for today, however,

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