1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: hottest influencer a pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: Amy Torba, I'm Kate Torba, and I'm Sophie Torba. And 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: coming up on today's show, Georgie Stephenson apologizes overtone def Fuelflex, 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: Sam Guggenheimer is accused of begging to go to Coachella, 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: and Ashy Bynes is under fire for encouraging panic buying 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: the first. Justin McKean has fronted the Melbourne Magistrates Court 8 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: for the first time after being charged with more than 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: one hundred counts of fraud. Investigators alleged Justin stole almost 10 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: half a million dollars over a three month period while 11 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: working as the head of finance for a pharmaceutical sales 12 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 1: business called Rocket Brands in twenty twenty four. Now this 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: charge comes after a mammoth fifteen month investigation by Yarra 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: Crime Investigation Unit detectives. 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, not good news at all. 16 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: Victorian Police have confirmed Justin was charged on summons, not bail, 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: so that means instead of arresting him, they issued him 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: a summons, which is like a legal notice telling him 19 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: he actually had to go to court on a certain day, 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: which is pretty interesting considering he didn't show up to 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: court many times for the civil proceedings. The person I 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: feel really sorry for right now is his ex wife, 23 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: Olivia Rogers, because her name is being dragged through the press. 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: Right now, I'm going to read you some of the headlines. 25 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: Olivia Molly Rodgers ex Front's court charged with stealing five 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: hundred k from employer. Ex husband of Miss Universe in 27 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: court accused of fraud. The reason I feel terrible for 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: Olivia is the fact that she's set to give birth 29 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: next month. Not great timing. 30 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: Look, I do. 31 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: Feel really sorry for her, and the timing isn't great, 32 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: But I can completely understand from a journalistic perspective why 33 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: they are including her name in the story. They are 34 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: providing context. Yes, it's probably not fair to run with 35 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: it in the title, but at the end of the day, 36 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: they're trying to sell papers. 37 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: They know that her name unfortunately sells well. 38 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: Also, it gives context to who he actually is, because 39 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: if he wasn't married to Olivia Rodgers at some point, 40 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: this wouldn't be making the headlines that it has been, would. 41 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 3: It that notice, we have a feel shortage crisis, and 42 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 3: many odds are worried as prices are increasing. Everyone's worried, 43 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 3: except apparently this influencer. Georgie Stephenson. An influencer and founder 44 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 3: of popular supplement brand New Harvest. 45 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: Georgie Stevenson has publicly apologized for her tone deaf comments 46 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: about Australia's fuel crisis. Over the weekend, the wellness entrepreneur 47 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: shared an Instagram reel of her sipping on a coffee 48 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: with the caption some people choose to complain about the 49 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: cost of fuel. Other people chose to build their own success, 50 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: co owned three companies and buy a Porsche at twenty 51 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: eight years old. I'm other people now. As you can imagine, 52 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: the backlash was swift. We discussed the criticism and our 53 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: own thoughts about Georgie's post in depth on Tuesday's show, 54 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: So if you haven't listened yet, I suggest you pause 55 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: this episode and check that out first. Yeah, and on 56 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 1: Monday night, just as we finished editing that episode, Georgie 57 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: posted a public apology to her Instagram story. So in 58 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: the statement, the entrepreneur claimed the video was a trial 59 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: reel that was posted by an external agency without her approval. Now, 60 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 1: for those lists not familiar with trial reels. It's a 61 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: way for creators to test how content performs without fully 62 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: committing to posting it to the Instagram feed. It's a 63 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: strategy often used by creators and agencies to test out 64 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: hooks and caption styles and topic angles. Sometimes influencers will 65 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: actually post multiple reels with almost identical content, with the 66 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: only difference being the hook that appears in the first 67 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: one to three seconds. So then they determine which hook 68 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: actually will stop consumers scrolling and then reuse that style 69 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: across future content. So it's clear that Georgie Stevenson is 70 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: very strategic when it comes to her content. Now, the 71 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: results from this trial reel were very clear people didn't 72 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: like it. So in her apology statement, Georgie wrote, over 73 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: the weekend, a trial reel was posted that didn't align 74 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: with me and my beliefs. She wanted to say, I 75 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: realized how serious this is considering it's my account, my face, 76 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: and ultimately my brand. The messaging behind the post completely 77 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: missed the mark and it was out of touch and 78 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: incredibly insensitive. However, catching it was my job and I 79 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: failed to do so I took action to remove it. 80 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: She then explained since returning from maternity leave that she 81 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: has been trying new systems and processes. So she said 82 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: she was disappointed the post appeared on her page and 83 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: was deeply sorry if she hurt people or made them 84 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: feel less. Then she finished up by writing, I'm conscious 85 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: this might seem like just another apology for an influencer, 86 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: but please know this has been a wake up call 87 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: and something like this will never happen again. Feedback is 88 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: great for growth, and I'll continue to listen, respond and 89 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,559 Speaker 1: learn along the way. This apology did nothing to stop 90 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: the backlash. If anything, it seemed to ignite the situation further, 91 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: which forced Georgie to share another Instagram post reiterating just 92 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: how sorry she was. She's still yet to talk directly 93 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: to camera, but she instead uploaded a series of photos 94 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: which she wrote up dates on. So she wrote, I 95 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: want to be really clear, this is not something I would. 96 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: Have ever approved. 97 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: The person who created slash drafted it is younger, without 98 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: children and not struggling like so many Australians right now. 99 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: It would have never been approved if it went through 100 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: our usual processes, but it was posted on my platform 101 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: and I take full responsibility for that. I'm truly sorry. 102 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: My TikTok algorithm is full of people responding to Georgie 103 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: Stevenson's fuel flex. It has really struck a nerve with people. 104 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: The sorts of posts I'm seeing are very reminiscent of 105 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty when people had such fury for influences, which 106 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: was really spurred on by the pandemic. 107 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, my TikTok feed is the same. 108 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: People are really mad, and I understand why they are. 109 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: I think essentially people are looking for someone to blame 110 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 1: because it is such a difficult time at the moment, 111 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: and influencers aren't really helping themselves out by waving a 112 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: red flag with this. 113 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 2: Sort of content. 114 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, as you said, we saw it with the pandemic, 115 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: and it seems like history is repeating itself and the 116 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: timing of this post going out was just absolutely terrible 117 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: for Georgie Stevenson. Now, she is clearly trying to shut 118 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: down some of these narratives that are appearing online. One 119 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: is that she comes from a wealthy family, which she 120 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: said is not true. She comes from a working class family. 121 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: Her dad was a plumber and her mum was a 122 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: stay at home mum to four children. She also shared 123 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: that her two older brothers are a plumber and a farmer, 124 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: and she finished up by saying she isn't going to hide. 125 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: She's going to continue showing up on social media. However, 126 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: she is going to be tightening up her processes with 127 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: external contractors and her team to ensure an error like 128 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: this never happens again. Unfortunately for Georgie, the general consensus 129 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: online was that this apology was a cop out. I 130 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: have seen so many mainstream media publications running with this story. 131 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: For instance, Sunrise Reported Influences groveling apology for out of 132 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: touch fuel crisis posts. I mean, the fact that one 133 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: of the largest morning shows is picked up on this 134 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: story is showing how much this story has impacted just 135 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: every day Australians and how angry people are. A lot 136 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: of people felt like Georgie was trying to shift the 137 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: blame and not take accountability. 138 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 139 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: Originally I found it difficult to believe an agency would 140 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: post a reel like that without getting approval because I 141 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: previously managed social media accounts of various brands at a 142 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: marketing agency and we had such a strict approval process, 143 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: and I assumed it would be the same with other agencies, 144 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: particularly those who are managing personal accounts of influencers. I mean, 145 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: of course, everyone is human and mistakes are made, but 146 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: surely when you're posting something so divisive, you would be 147 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: triple checking it, particularly when one of the big reasons 148 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: influencers utilize agencies is because they're experts in the field. 149 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's more likely an agency would be the 150 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: one warning an influencer against posting something like what appeared 151 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: on Georgie's account, rather than creating it themselves and accidentally 152 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: posting it. My other thought was, if this was a 153 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: genuine accident, why hasn't she named the agency? Because if 154 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: it was me, I wouldn't be protecting them, particularly when 155 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: my livelihood is at stake and I have a successful 156 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: business that I'm trying to protect. And why hasn't this 157 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: agency taken any accountability If this genuinely happened, this is 158 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: a massive stuff up on their behalf, and I would 159 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: assume as part of the crisis management process they would 160 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: be publicly having to back their client and hold up 161 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: their hands and take responsibility for what happened. Well, fortunately 162 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: we have been able to pose those questions to Georgie 163 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: Stevenson ourselves. So we actually interviewed Georgie on one of 164 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: Outspoken's Christmas episodes I think six years ago now, So 165 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: since then we have DMed occasionally, and she slid into 166 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: our DMS off the back of Tuesday show and said 167 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: that she was more than happy to answer any questions 168 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: we had about the incident. So I asked if she 169 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: would be naming the agency and if the agency intended 170 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: to publicly take responsibility for the post. I also asked 171 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: her how the mistake was actually made, so Georgie clarified 172 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: it was actually an independent social media contractor she works 173 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: with rather than an external agency that made the mistake. 174 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: So the social media manager was on a trial at 175 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: the time when the post was made. Awkwardly, the woman 176 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: is someone Georgie knows personally. It's also someone Georgie said 177 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: has followed her for quite a number of years and 178 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: she felt confident that this woman understood the tone of 179 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: her posts. Yeah, and this social media manager in question 180 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: has apparently offered to go public and say it was 181 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: her mistake, but Georgie said she doesn't see the point 182 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: of naming and shaming the woman when she is young 183 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: and just starting out in the industry. She said, Ultimately, 184 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: it's her account and she has to take responsibility for 185 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: what was posted on her. It kind of makes more 186 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: sense because if this was a large agency, you would 187 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: probably feel more inclined to want to publicly call them out, 188 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: whereas if this is a young woman who's starting out 189 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: fresh in the industry, it's probably not a good look. 190 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: I think where this apology fell flat is I read 191 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: it as if there was this big external agency that 192 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: was managing Georgie's social media, and I was like, well, 193 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: hang on, there's no way that a professional agency would 194 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: have stuffed up like this. There are so many protocols 195 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: in place to avoid this happening, and also the fact 196 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: that usually they manage an influencer's strategy, they understand their 197 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: personal brand inside and out. But it does seem like 198 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: this person was fairly new to the industry and their role, 199 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: according to Georgie, was just a strictly post trial reels. Apparently, 200 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: they had posted ten reels for Georgie previously they were 201 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: all fine, they had to make a couple of tweaks, 202 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: but she was pretty happy with them. Now this post 203 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: has happened, and Georgie said that the social media manager 204 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: completely missed the mark and mistakenly. 205 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: Made it live without her approval. 206 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: Apparently they worked from this shared document, and Georgie said 207 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: she has gone back and double checked and she had 208 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: not approved this content to go out now. She went 209 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: on to explain to us that the whole incident has 210 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: been a massive wake up call for her, and she 211 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: said since the incident, she's been having a lot of 212 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: productive conversations with her community in her DMS and she. 213 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: Has learned a lot. 214 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: She also that she has had a lot of help 215 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 1: with her social media accounts so she can spend time 216 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: with her two young daughters, but she will no longer 217 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,719 Speaker 1: be letting anyone external work on her account. I do 218 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: find it interesting that Georgie said that this is a 219 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 1: young woman who has been following her content for a 220 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: number of years and felt like she was across the 221 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: tone of Georgie's content and thought that this was an 222 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: acceptable thing to post. Obviously, she thinks that this is 223 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: in line with the sort of content that Georgie has 224 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: shared in the past. Yea, and I think that's why 225 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't buying the apology, because they're like, well, 226 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: this content is on brand with what you normally post. 227 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: Like Georgie Stephenson is known to post content that pushes 228 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: the boundaries in terms of flexing about wealth, and there 229 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: is a goal at mind with that because she wants 230 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: to sell her manifestation courses. You know, she has to 231 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,239 Speaker 1: show I have this enviewable lifestyle. 232 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: So that's why a lot. 233 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: Of people were like, hang on, you might have just 234 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: pushed it too far, and now you're backpedaling and saying, oh, no, 235 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't me. 236 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 2: We pointed out. 237 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: In Tuesday's episode that Porsche was spelled incorrectly in Georgie's reel. 238 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: It almost makes sense if this was a young contractor 239 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: who has created this post, that that spelling era could 240 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: have been a legitimate mistake by them. Well, particularly because 241 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: her Porsche has been front and center recently, so in 242 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: rather awkward timing. Earlier this month, Georgie launched a giveaway 243 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: for her supplement brand and New Harvest. 244 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: Ironically, the prize is Georgie's. 245 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: Personal Porsche that was referenced in that trial reel, So 246 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: it appears Georgie may have actually had assistance from some 247 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: type of agency because the competition is set up as 248 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: a very sophisticated sales funnel, So entrants have to comment 249 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: my car on Georgie's giveaway post on Instagram to gain 250 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: access to the entry link. Now, at the time of recording, 251 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: that post has had over sixteen point four thousand comments. 252 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: From there, entrance then receive an automated link into their 253 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: Instagram box to enter. However, in order to actually enter, 254 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: you need to place an order with N New Harvest, 255 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: so each purchase gives you one entry, so the more 256 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: you purchase, the more entries you get. You also have 257 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: to tell them in fifty words or less what you 258 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: love about N New Harvest. Plus you get bonus entries 259 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: if you follow NU on social media. Now, despite Georgie 260 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: stating that the logic behind the giveaway was to invest 261 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: money into her community rather than on meta ads, ever 262 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: since I engage with Georgie's posts, the ad has been 263 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: following me around on every social media platform, so clearly 264 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: there's a big ad spend involved too. It's ironic because 265 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: this giveaway is being sold as an act of generosity 266 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: from Georgie, but in reality it's likely the Nu Harvest 267 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: is making far more than the cost of the prize 268 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: because you literally have to spend money on their product 269 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: to enter, So the nature of this competition encourages bulk 270 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: buying and also creates a sense of urgency. 271 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 272 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean, if you do the math, say ten thousand 273 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: people enter the competition and they spend around one hundred 274 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 1: dollars in store because you get free postage when you 275 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: spend one hundred dollars. The protein's around fifty four dollars, 276 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: So just say one hundred dollars each person, that's one 277 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: million dollars of revenue. So essentially, this is a very 278 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: clever marketing strategy for Georgie because she is trading in 279 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: a two year old Porsche that she says is worth 280 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars but potentially one million 281 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: dollars in sales. She's also getting a lot of viral exposure, 282 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: a massive spike in brand awareness, and a bolstered data pace. However, 283 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: it is unfortunate that this competition is running alongside this 284 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: negative story that has been posted about Georgie because makes 285 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: her look even more out of touch the fact that 286 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: it's like I'm giving away my Porsche for free, even 287 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: though it is actually a very clever business move. Yeah, 288 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: I think that the good work of this giveaway has 289 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: all been undone by this social media post. I have 290 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: also seen a lot of comments that a Porsche isn't 291 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: a great prize because European cars often cost a lot 292 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: of money to run and maintain. That of course, then 293 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: links to this conversation about fuel prices and being toned 294 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: deaf about it. Now, this competition is set to be 295 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: drawn on the thirty first of May, so it'll be 296 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: interesting to see why happens. The t's and c state 297 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: that the competition can be modified or canceled at their discretion. 298 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: If they decided to pull the pin on this competition, 299 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: that would just create even more backlash because people have 300 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: had to spend money in order to take part in 301 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: this competition. Yeah, but there's a lot of people that 302 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: are currently boycotting and New Harvest. They're saying, look, I 303 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: don't want it anymore. I saw a TikTok of someone 304 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: pouring their protein powder into the bin. The whole point 305 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: of the competition is to drive sales, but a lot 306 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: of people aren't wanting to actually purchase anything from n 307 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: New Harvest. So if they don't get a lot of 308 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: sales in you know, it might not be worth their 309 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: while giving the car away. Yeah, well, they've already had 310 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: sixteen thousand people comment to find out more information about 311 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: this competition, so it's safe to say that they've probably 312 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: already had a lot of people enter. It is interesting 313 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: to see how this incident has affected Georgie's following. At 314 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: the time of recording, she has lost one point eight 315 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: thousand followers since her controversial real went live. To put 316 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: that number into perspective, she has four hundred and four 317 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: thousand Instagram followers, so it hasn't huge impacted her just yet. 318 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: While those numbers might not reflect it, I think this 319 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: has been really detrimental to Georgie's personal brand and her businesses. 320 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: So it's going to be interesting to see how she 321 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: comes back from this. I mean, I definitely think she 322 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: will come back from it. We've seen Anna Paul, she 323 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: was canceled globally after Mikayla Tester called her out, and 324 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: she still is making a lot of money on social media. 325 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: Everyone still follows her, so there obviously is lots of 326 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: room for redemption, but it will be interesting to see 327 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: how that pans out. 328 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 5: So I'm getting really stressed because I'm like I need 329 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 5: to go to Gojalla. 330 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: Sam Guggenheimer has been accused of begging brands for a 331 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: free trip to Coachella. In a video posted to her 332 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: backup TikTok, the embattled influencer admitted she already has all 333 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: her outfits picked out despite not having a ticket. 334 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 5: I have literally planned all my Coachella outfits on a 335 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 5: keynote PowerPoint with links and everything. Do I have a 336 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 5: ticket to Coachella? No? Do I have an ebact to Coachella? 337 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 5: No is Coachella in just over a month? Yes? Will 338 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 5: I keep manifesting and hopefully it work out? Yes? So 339 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 5: if you have a Coachella ticket and accommodation that I 340 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 5: can stay at, happy to pay, happy to chip in, 341 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 5: let me know, because a girl really needs to see 342 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 5: JB and a girl really needs to pull off these 343 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 5: outfits because I fear I've ate, like I've really ate 344 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 5: with these now. 345 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: Sam went on to say that she's good at meeting 346 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: and mingling with new people. 347 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: I'm guessing they have to be thin, though, Sophie. 348 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: If people don't know what Kate is putting down there. 349 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: This is in reference to a story we covered a 350 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: few weeks ago where Sam was criticized for uploading a 351 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 1: video to word TikTok where her best friend Bill Barker 352 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: made a fat phobic slur. I mean, I would have 353 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: thought she would be on her best behavior after that 354 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: all happened, But the backlash on this new video was 355 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: just as swift, causing Sam to delete it. However, the 356 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: video resurfaced in burner accounts across TikTok, where the criticism 357 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: of Sam continued. One person wrote, dry begging brands. Times 358 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: are tough. Another said should have paid for a ticket 359 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 1: like everyone else, instead of assuming she would be invited again. 360 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 4: Now. 361 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: Sam ended up commenting under one of the videos, I said, 362 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: I was happy to pay for the tickets, but they're 363 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: sold out. An accommodation near the festival is hard to secure. 364 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: I only recently decided I want to go because I 365 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: was living in London and didn't know what my plans were. 366 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: It feels super unfair that anything I say gets twisted. 367 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: Something as simple as talking about outfits has turned into 368 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: fake accounts for posting videos to bully me. I think 369 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 1: this video just really demonstrates how out of touch Sam 370 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: is with the general public at the moment. It's very 371 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: tone deaf in this current climate to be acting like 372 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: you're hard done by because you didn't get your usual 373 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: free tickets to Coachella, as if we're supposed to feel 374 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: sympathetic because she counted her chickens before they hatched and 375 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: she's already picked out all of her outfits. I mean, yeah, 376 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: particularly off the back of the fat faux big drama 377 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: that we saw a couple of weeks ago. I mean, 378 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: at the time she took a short hiatus from social 379 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: media to apparently reflect and learn from the situation, but 380 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: it seems like not a lot of inner reflection actually 381 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: took place. I just wonder why she posted it. I mean, 382 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: in the video, she said that she no longer feels 383 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: like she can post random vlogs to her main channel, 384 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: but she just felt like she was in a chatty mood. 385 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: I mean, playing Devil's Advocate. Is it that bad? Do 386 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: you think she could have genuinely been asking to buy 387 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: a ticket from someone? 388 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 2: Perhaps? 389 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: No, because the interesting thing about Coachella this year is 390 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: that it's actually been one of the slowest ticket selling years. 391 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: A few years ago, the tickets used to sell. 392 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: Out within hours, but in the last couple of years, 393 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: It's actually taken weeks and this year around a month 394 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: to sell out, so it's not a case of Sam 395 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: not having the opportunity to buy them. It's clear that 396 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: she arrogantly thought a brand would take her. I mean, 397 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: last year she was invited by White Fox Boutique and 398 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: Slick Hare. 399 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 2: The strange thing is she said she has already. 400 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: Picked out all her outfits, and normally when an influencer 401 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: goes to Coachella with a brand, the brand dresses them. 402 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: So last year she was dressed by White Fox Boutique. 403 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if she was promised a trip to Coachella 404 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: by a brand and now they've suddenly pulled. 405 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: Out overall this drama. 406 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: To add insult further, it seems like brands have actually 407 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: sided with her former bestie Isabelle Armitage, because last week 408 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: Izzy said this on TikTok Okay, guys, great news. I'm 409 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: going to Coachella again this year and. 410 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 5: I can't wait. 411 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: Like I'm so blessed. 412 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 2: I'm excited if you're going again. 413 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: I'm guessing that Sam originally was on the invite list, 414 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: but since her public falling out with Easy, Armitage, Sofa Dofa, 415 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: and their click. It seems like brands have had to 416 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: choose a side. I mean, she's leaving it pretty late. 417 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: It literally starts in less than three weeks. Do you 418 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: think a brand will reach out to her off the 419 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: back of this TikTok? I think if a brand took 420 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: one look at the comments under the video, they wouldn't 421 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: be wanting to take her on the trip with that. Yeah, 422 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: I think this video in particular has elicited such vitriol 423 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: online because everyone is just so sick of seeing the 424 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: same influences invited to every event. I think a lot 425 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: of people felt vindicated that she is actually going to 426 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: experience what it's like to miss out on an event 427 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: that everyone wants to go to, especially off the back 428 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: of the recent backlash over the Road event. I mean, 429 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: Sam is one of the faces we see at nearly 430 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: every big event in Australia. She was, of course at 431 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: the Road event, she went to the Tennis, she even 432 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: went to the Spring Racing Carnival, and she claimed she 433 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: didn't go to the f one because of that fat 434 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: phobic backlash, but later a real of her actually surfaced 435 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: at the event. 436 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: So there's not a lot of people who are going 437 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 2: to be feeling sorry for her that she's missing. 438 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: Now, one influenzer who isn't having to beg for Coteller 439 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: tickets is Tammy Hembro So. She announced the news that 440 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: she was attending the festival in a get Ready with 441 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: Me video last week on TikTok. She said she hasn't 442 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: been to the festival in years, but this is her 443 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: yes year. It was clear her excitement quickly faded to 444 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: apprehension when she said this though. 445 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 6: I can't wait, though, for all the frickin mum police 446 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 6: to come out and be like, oh my god, you 447 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 6: loved your kids. 448 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 5: Come on people. 449 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: Despite calling out the mum shaming that's been going on 450 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: with her, it seemed like she still felt the need 451 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: to defend her decision. So she explained that the timing 452 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: of Coachella works perfectly as it aligns with school holidays 453 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: when her older children, Wolf and Saskia visit their grandparents. 454 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: So those grandparents are actually the parents of her ex fiance, 455 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: Reyese Hawkins. She also added that their father, Reese might 456 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: visit them too. I love how Tammy's always having to 457 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 1: defend herself. I mean, their father lives in a different country. 458 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: It was interesting because Tammy didn't reference where Posey will be, 459 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: but I think that's fairly obvious. Her dad, Matt Paul 460 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: and stepmother Annalice Oatways seem to do an absolutely fantastic 461 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 1: job with her and always look after her when Tammy 462 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: goes away. 463 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 2: Tammy also felt the need to remind her followers that 464 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 2: she is a single parent and the provider. Let's take 465 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 2: a listen. 466 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 6: I think some people forget as well that I'm a 467 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 6: single parent. Yes, I have so much help around me. 468 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 6: Have you know the co parents and I have my 469 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 6: family like my mom and my sisters. They also am 470 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 6: the provider, like I need to work if other people work, 471 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 6: like the other parent usually has the child, and for me, 472 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 6: if I need to work, like if I need to 473 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 6: go to work, or go to Sydney for work, or 474 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 6: go to Melbourne for work, or go to Cotela, or 475 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 6: or even just go on a holiday or anything like 476 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 6: I don't have the person that you usually have, which 477 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 6: I'm fine with, but I do have to work. I'm 478 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 6: also the one that pays for my kids, like I 479 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 6: don't have to income. 480 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,479 Speaker 1: Tell me. Then went on to say I've also got 481 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: a life. I want to live and to have fun. 482 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: I thought the comment around the finances was interesting because 483 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: almost made it sound like, oh, the dads don't pay 484 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: child support, which clearly that is not the case with 485 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: Matt Pool. He and Annalise look after Posey a lot. 486 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: They obviously financially contribute to her. Was this a potshot 487 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: at Reese Hawkins or was she trying to say, oh, well, 488 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: I support myself completely. I don't think it's a pot 489 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: shot ree Hawkins. They seem to be on good term, 490 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: so I just think she's trying to be relatable to 491 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: other parents and say, look, I am a single mom. 492 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: She's missing out on the fact that she's not your 493 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: ordinary single mom. She's rumored to be worth is it 494 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: thirty or forty million dollars? Whether that is an accurate 495 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: figure or not, we're not sure. 496 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I don't think money is a concern 497 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: of hers. 498 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: I know her active where brand Saskias shut down recently, 499 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 1: but I think that was more cutting deadweight from her 500 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 1: prosesses exactly. I mean, I think the reason that people 501 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: are having a go at Tammy is because of the 502 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: people she's choosing to spend her time with. So people understand, yes, 503 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: influencers need to go to Coachella and they get paid, 504 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: but it's her trips to see her boyfriend Grayson. I 505 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: think that's what's pissing people off. And you know, she 506 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: was going back and forth to see Bailey Smith as well, 507 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: which I have no issue with, Like she's allowed to 508 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: go and live her life. But that is why there 509 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: is this sentiment online from people, because they're saying, well, 510 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: why aren't you spending time with your kids? Why are 511 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: you wanting to hang around these twenty two year old guys. Yeah, 512 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't agree with the mum shaming at all, 513 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't think it's as black and white 514 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: as Tammy as making out in this instance. I think, 515 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: as you said, a lot of the negative commentary is 516 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: coming from the fact that she is spending time with 517 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: his twenty three year old guy, who was clearly bad news. 518 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean, he posted this awful reel of him running 519 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: the other day with a caption that said something like, oh, 520 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: this is the cardio I'm having to do because the 521 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: cardio I want to do is on the Goldie. 522 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, but he's just. 523 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: Trying to use Like I know he didn't name Tammy, 524 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: but he's clearly using the relationship as clout now on 525 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: TikTok and it's really not working. He's got like a 526 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: thousand followers on there. Yeah, it's just cringe and a 527 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: massive red flag. 528 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 7: Each to their own. But when you've got children, I 529 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 7: don't think there's anything wrong with just making sure that 530 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 7: you're a little bit prepped. 531 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,120 Speaker 1: Fitness influencer Ash Binds has been accused of sparking panic 532 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: buying a mid growing concerns of an oil shortage due 533 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: to the war in the Middle East now as she 534 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: shared an Instagram story asking her followers if they were 535 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: prepping in case of a potential lockdown. She then showed 536 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: her and her podcast co host Tiana Bundalow wandering the 537 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,719 Speaker 1: aisles of the local supermarket as they stocked up on 538 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: food and toilet paper. Let's take a listen to some 539 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: of what they said. Doom, babe, we are trapping in 540 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: case things lockdown. 541 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, there's I don't know if you guys have seen 542 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 7: it's maybe a little bit controversial, but fuel prices, the rumors. 543 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 4: Are that we're gonna run out, and then we're worried 544 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 4: that then. 545 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 7: Transport stops and all the food goes, which is prepping 546 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 7: some dry food and some toilet paper, because we all 547 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 7: know what happened. 548 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 4: A few years ago, and I feel like my parents 549 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 4: are so deep in this rabbit hole, so it's never 550 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 4: a problem to just have a little bit of extra 551 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 4: stuff at home, just so that if something stops or 552 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 4: transport stops or whatever, then it's like you don't have 553 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 4: to get into that real anxious energy that everyone got into. 554 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: The pair then said that they'd picked up extra nappies, 555 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: toilet paper, tin fruit, beans, tuna, and rice, so essentially 556 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: non perishable items like people bought during COVID. This posts 557 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: from Ashy just infuriated me so much because we're already 558 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: seeing some Australians hoarding fuel and now these sorts of 559 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: posts are just going to encourage people to panic buy 560 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: and think that we're running out of food and that 561 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: we're going to go into some lockdown. It angers me 562 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: enough that this, as you said, is encouraging others to 563 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: do the same, but it's also fear mongering, Like people 564 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: are concerned enough, and then we're seeing these influences posting 565 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: about it, as you said, as if it's some kind 566 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: of fun trip to the store to load up on 567 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: tuna and beans. It actually has a very detrimental effect 568 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 1: as well, because it drives up the price of food. 569 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: I mean, the only people who are winning here at 570 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: the supermarkets because they're going to make even more money 571 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 1: off people panic buying. The thing that also doesn't make 572 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: sense in my mind is that we're going through this 573 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: cost of living crisis where people can't afford groceries as 574 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: it is, so let's put even more financial stress on 575 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: families and think, oh, well, next time you go, you've 576 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: got to stock up on even more stuff that they 577 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: already can't. It kind of rubbed me up the wrong 578 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: way because they were like, oh, you know, you could 579 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: just chuck a couple of extra items in each shop. 580 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: It's like people are struggling to actually just purchase what 581 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: they need for now, let alone in the future. Yeah, 582 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: but we also need to stop having this mentality of 583 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: MEMI me like I need to stock up. It's actually 584 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: causing other people from lower socioeconomic backgrounds not to be 585 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: able to get things that they actually need. Like if 586 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: we all start hoarding tune or or nappies, there's gonna 587 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: be none for everybody else. I think a lot of 588 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: people are feeling a bit uncertain at the moment because 589 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: there were media reports that people could be ordered to 590 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: work from home in response to the fuel crisis. So 591 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: it's almost like we're getting a flashback to twenty twenty 592 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: and all of the changes that took place then. Now. 593 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: Despite as she asking her followers to send in their 594 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: thoughts about her food prepping, she seemed to be quite 595 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: taken aback when she received some negative responses, so she 596 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: claimed that it was only two or three followers who 597 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: had a problem with her Instagram stories, saying they'd written 598 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: in saying they were upset that she was sparking panic buying. Now, 599 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: she defended her actions by saying this, I. 600 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 7: Don't think there's anything wrong with being a little bit prepared. 601 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 7: I didn't go excessive. I bought one thing of toilet paper. 602 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 7: I bought some tin food, some dry foods, some extra 603 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 7: rice crackers, and an Extrajyra peanut butter. Like, it wasn't 604 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 7: anything excessive. I don't think there's anything wrong with doing that. 605 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 7: It's just like an an extra grocery shop. Really, and 606 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 7: Toianna did the same thing. So each to their own. 607 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 7: But when you've got children, I don't think there's anything 608 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 7: wrong with just making sure that you're a little bit prepped, 609 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 7: because the last thing to ever want to do is 610 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 7: like run out of food and supplies. And unfortunately, all 611 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 7: this is a possible thing that could happen, and it's 612 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 7: not to make anyone fearful. 613 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: Actually, then went on to say that unfortunately, a lockdown 614 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: is a possibility, and while she's not trying to make 615 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: anyone fearful, she wants her fellow mammas to be prepared 616 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: and have enough food for their kids. She also dropped 617 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: that when COVID first hit, she had to give other 618 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: families on their street food because they weren't prepared and 619 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: it broke her heart. She also admitted that she knows 620 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: the topic can be controversial and super triggering. Again, I 621 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: don't think that this was helpful information to put out 622 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: to her followers. I just found Ash's response again incredibly unhelpful, 623 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: and again she was just pushing panic bying. 624 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: I mean, have we not learned anything from the pandemic. 625 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: I feel like this whole episode is giving a twenty 626 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: twenty flashback. 627 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: I feel like we're in. 628 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: This really weird stage at the moment where it's a 629 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: bit of a dicey time for influencers that they've been 630 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: called out, left, right, and center. I mean it makes 631 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: sense because when things are taken out of our control 632 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: as humans, we grasp for that control back and we 633 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: want a wat to direct our anger and our frustration. 634 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: So when influencers go and post tone deaf things or 635 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: do stupid things in regards to this very hot topic 636 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: of fuel prices, then we pounce and we go, oh 637 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: my god, can you believe they did that? It actually 638 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: brings everyone together in this weird way, I mean mutual 639 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,959 Speaker 1: through The thing with ash is she has admitted that 640 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: she knows that this is a controversial and triggering topic, 641 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: yet she's clearly chosen to speak about it. I think 642 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: it is in an attempt to gain back some relevance 643 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: and to pick up her engagement, because she literally said, 644 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: let me know your thoughts on the food prepping that 645 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: I'm doing. Obviously she knew people weren't going to be 646 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: happy about her. But I also think it's a case 647 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: of documenting it. So say something does happen and you know, 648 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: worst case scenario she binds is right and all of 649 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: our food supply is cut off. 650 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 2: Is she then going to go well. 651 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: On March twenty fourth, I document it on my TikTok 652 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: and I'm correct. 653 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 2: Well on that note, we are going to leave things there. 654 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: If you do enjoy the podcast, we drop a subscriber 655 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: episode every Thursday for Outspoken Plus subscribers. All the details 656 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: to sign up in our show notes. 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