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Speaker 3: Hi. I'm Amanda and I'm Rumby.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Its lay It.
Speaker 3: We're in a long distance friendship that started over twenty
Speaker 3: years ago when we were in high school.
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Speaker 3: Delve deeper with us because in life, you know my layers.
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Speaker 3: No, yeah, welcome, Welcome to a brand new episode of
Speaker 3: It's Layered, Amanda. This is a little special, right, it's
Speaker 3: a little you know, can you tell us what we're
Speaker 3: a little hot girl.
Speaker 2: It's the huge milestone of fifty our fiftieth episode, guys,
Speaker 2: in our fifth season, and it's episode five after fifth season.
Speaker 3: Yes, episode five of the fifth season, fiftieth episode. Do
Speaker 3: you see what we're doing there with the number five.
Speaker 2: This summer with the numerology five five five, so associated
Speaker 2: with change, so triple five. This could be changing location,
Speaker 2: change of a drop, change of relationships, something that's just
Speaker 2: you know, propelling you to the Next Dimension. So that
Speaker 2: sounds pretty good for a fiftieth episode.
Speaker 3: Think I love I love the dimension new dimension thing
Speaker 3: you just mentioned over there. It's really dope. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 3: we all we keep saying this that we didn't expect
Speaker 3: to be here, that we would get this far.
Speaker 2: And we have our little pop virtual hug because I
Speaker 2: could not have done this without you. You've made fifty
Speaker 2: pass by so quickly, Like how how.
Speaker 3: Especially considering we record like across the globe, So Charlie,
Speaker 3: if I tell you, guys, let you in on a
Speaker 3: little secret. And the worst when it comes to I'm
Speaker 3: always missing up times on time zone WI zones, they
Speaker 3: mess in my head. Worse if we're also recording someone
Speaker 3: in a different time zone to Blader of Us list.
Speaker 2: It's all work, guys, but it become plain, it's becomplex.
Speaker 2: It'd be like what am I doing? But like, seriously,
Speaker 2: we love doing what we do, and it's so fitting
Speaker 2: for the topic we've chosen today for this episode. Side
Speaker 2: hustle culture every day.
Speaker 3: I'm hustling every day. I'm hustling every day. Every day.
Speaker 3: I'm hustling. No, no, I don't even know what he says,
Speaker 3: but I'm like what he says, the way he says, Okay,
Speaker 3: yeah five culture. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's different kind of hustle.
Speaker 3: We're not not necessarily talking about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, g version of hustling. I ain't pushing no peace,
Speaker 2: I ain't pushing no drugs. I am just doing something else.
Speaker 3: Something else. So, Amanda, what is a side hustle to you?
Speaker 2: I think for me, it's just having Like obviously, we
Speaker 2: all got our nine to five or we all got
Speaker 2: what we went to school for, quote unquote, especially as
Speaker 2: Zim kids, we went to do whatever you need a
Speaker 2: degree and got a job. This is something you do
Speaker 2: literally on the side of that, whether it's something that
Speaker 2: brings you money or brings you joy, or you just
Speaker 2: do it for whatever reason. It's literally something on the
Speaker 2: side of your main hustle, which is just your main
Speaker 2: nine to five.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's the same for you?
Speaker 3: I completely agree, And I'm trying to find just like
Speaker 3: you're looking for something. Apparently, the term hustle comes from
Speaker 3: It's a late seventeenth century word that comes from Dutch
Speaker 3: Hutzalan hustle sinds three of them. Oh, and it dates
Speaker 3: back to the early twentieth century. So it's a Dutch
Speaker 3: word which means shake or toss, shake or top. Okay,
Speaker 3: So I guess what Amanda said about it being not
Speaker 3: tied specifically to your regular regular or nine to five,
Speaker 3: it implies it just something on the side, just doing
Speaker 3: like a side Also, you know how that hus is
Speaker 3: doing on the side, and I agree it's not aligned
Speaker 3: typically not aligned with what you're studying or what your
Speaker 3: full time job would be.
Speaker 2: Do you have or have you had something you consider
Speaker 2: side hustle.
Speaker 3: Yes and no. I mean yes, I've worked consulting in
Speaker 3: digital marketing, social media management and that kind of thing,
Speaker 3: so I've definitely done that. But I also do a
Speaker 3: lot of my hobbies but in a hussle way. I
Speaker 3: don't know how to explain it. So, for example, this
Speaker 3: podcast would be doing the side hustle. I've worked on
Speaker 3: other platforms and done other things, so definitely, I think
Speaker 3: it's always been something I've done, but I haven't looked
Speaker 3: at it necessarily as like, oh, my side hustle. It's
Speaker 3: just something I enjoy doing or do on the.
Speaker 2: Side, So it's more like to get the creative juices
Speaker 2: out rather than the hustle I hope this makes me
Speaker 2: money because that's what ends up happening right side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, So it's more hobby based. What about your
Speaker 3: I mean, I know what your side hustle.
Speaker 2: Is, but uh yeah, well definitely my styling business is
Speaker 2: what people would probably consider a side hustle, Charlie, when
Speaker 2: you're filling out forms, when you're ninety five and you're like,
Speaker 2: I got ten minutes, let me quickly do something. Yeah
Speaker 2: like it? That is I would definitely have to say
Speaker 2: that is a side hustle for me. It's something that
Speaker 2: I would in an ideal world where we get everything
Speaker 2: we want, it would not be a side hustle. That
Speaker 2: would be my main hustle and I will not be
Speaker 2: doing my nine to five. But obviously reality is reality,
Speaker 2: and it's a side hustle that I one day hope
Speaker 2: becomes my hustle. So definitely the podcast, definitely I've done.
Speaker 2: It's similar to you. I've done so many little things
Speaker 2: here and there to just keep the creative juices going.
Speaker 2: And I know a lot of friends who like bake,
Speaker 2: A lot of friends who I mean even babysitting when
Speaker 2: you want to have money on the side or wedding
Speaker 2: up hours. So it's like I get like one of
Speaker 2: those things that depends. The reasons will differ, but the
Speaker 2: ethos is the same that you're doing something apart from
Speaker 2: your main income.
Speaker 3: For sure, and obviously something that is it's become a
Speaker 3: hot hot thing, hot take. Like everyone wants to talk
Speaker 3: about side hustles and all that, like what's your side hustle?
Speaker 3: Why is there increasing pressure for having a side hustle?
Speaker 3: Like people like, what's your hussle? What's your side hustle?
Speaker 3: Like why do you think that's.
Speaker 2: I mean, definitely being Zimbabwean, it's economic. You know, if
Speaker 2: you're a teacher by trade for example, and what will
Speaker 2: you get paid? Peanuts? So you can't be then just
Speaker 2: relying on that, you know. Then that's why people do
Speaker 2: their chicken project or their baking project or whatever events.
Speaker 2: So I think it's just a lot of it ends
Speaker 2: up being economic. I mean even in the broader world
Speaker 2: or the Western society cost of living crisis, right, so
Speaker 2: people people want to have things and do things and travel,
Speaker 2: and sometimes that can't all come from the one pocket,
Speaker 2: the one pot, so people then try and make another.
Speaker 2: I think that's why there's an increasing pressure. But I
Speaker 2: also think there's this thing of being seen always to
Speaker 2: be working, working hard, you know, not just sitting down,
Speaker 2: not just relaxing. So it then perpetuates this whole you
Speaker 2: need to be doing your ninety five and then after
Speaker 2: ninety five need to come home and keep going like
Speaker 2: you just keep work, work, work, work, work, right, for.
Speaker 3: Sure, And I think we'll talk about the drawbacks in
Speaker 3: a little bit, but it's so right. And I think
Speaker 3: for people who are like yourself and I we always
Speaker 3: talking about this, who are doers, it can be a
Speaker 3: problematic mindset you have because it's like there's no off switch.
Speaker 3: And I totally agree. I think that the pressure is
Speaker 3: real from an economic standpoint. I was reading how the
Speaker 3: hassle culture started in the seventies with you know, the
Speaker 3: technological revolution as a in you could do more, faster, quicker.
Speaker 3: Then of course, by the time computers became a thing,
Speaker 3: it's like you're on the grind now, it's like you're grinding, grinding.
Speaker 3: But for me, as you talked about Zimbabwe, I also
Speaker 3: thought about it's I think it's historic right because it's
Speaker 3: like black people have been excluded in mainstream economies in
Speaker 3: a lot of or certain professions. You know, growing up
Speaker 3: you'd see my tach shops someone selling a little something
Speaker 3: on the side. So it's not necessarily like brand new,
Speaker 3: just like kale is not brand new to Zimbabwe. It's
Speaker 3: just putting it out there. We've been knowing. We've been
Speaker 3: a meal prepping ain't new. We've been known about that,
Speaker 3: like you know, recycling ain't new. We could go on,
Speaker 3: but I think it's been an integral part of our
Speaker 3: culture and system just for survival, like.
Speaker 2: Literally yes, yes, and educational levels too. And I remember,
Speaker 2: I mean we would look at maybe so much our generation,
Speaker 2: but definitely like our parents and older. You could only
Speaker 2: be a nurse, you could only be a teacher. So
Speaker 2: then if you because of a colonial rule, so if
Speaker 2: you're not going to be a nurse, not going to
Speaker 2: be a teacher, then what else can you do? So
Speaker 2: then it became like informal sector became bigger and bigger,
Speaker 2: you know, selling selling food or selling tomatoes, whatever it
Speaker 2: is to just pay for school feasons. A lot of
Speaker 2: people have been raised by side hustle culture. Absolutely, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not such a oh yeah, you know because most
Speaker 2: formal sectors in these countries are not working properly, so
Speaker 2: people have look elsewhere at all.
Speaker 3: And and actually a lot of people earn more from
Speaker 3: the side hustle than a man already spoke spoke about
Speaker 3: like you actually make more. Whether it's legal or not,
Speaker 3: that's now your business with yourself and the tax man.
Speaker 3: But you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think social media pushed it? Though? To me? Though,
Speaker 2: like I think longer I went and yeah, because influence
Speaker 2: has a side hackler.
Speaker 3: Yes, initially, typically yes, initially it's.
Speaker 2: Right before brands start approaching you and stuff. A lot
Speaker 2: of them are working nine to five, and then they decide, okay,
Speaker 2: now I'm actually making more money off TikTok or off
Speaker 2: YouTube or off I think.
Speaker 3: I think social media has just made it look more glamorous,
Speaker 3: and so the dream of like ooh, you two can
Speaker 3: live like this, which always this is the what's the
Speaker 3: thing conspiracy theory in me, it's like, why are they
Speaker 3: letting us black people live glamorous lives and like lux lives?
Speaker 3: Now all of a sudden, when they were holding us back,
Speaker 3: must be they hadn't someone else there, something else, But
Speaker 3: that's a conversation there than we do. They got exactly.
Speaker 2: They still got.
Speaker 3: More, but absolutely it's it's social media has made it
Speaker 3: more you know, acceptable and attractive because not everyone wants
Speaker 3: to side hustle selling tomatoes, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, do you reckon everyone's being on that?
Speaker 2: Do you reckon everyone's meant to be a hustler?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, My people know because zimbablegans are in the cutthold
Speaker 2: of a hustler every day.
Speaker 4: Your customers, Yeah, probably a hustler, exactly exactly have you
Speaker 4: have you seen this thing that was going around about
Speaker 4: jay Z denying his cousin like four thousand, three hundred
Speaker 4: US dollars or something, and everyone's like, hey, how could he?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: And I think he was being interviewed by Kevin Hart
Speaker 3: and he mentioned this and all the interview is old,
Speaker 3: but then this thing has come up and everyone's like, ah,
Speaker 3: I just give him. But it's like that energy, Like
Speaker 3: people have all these ideas all the time, but whether
Speaker 3: or not they come into fruition is a different story,
Speaker 3: you know, So not everyone is kind of made for that.
Speaker 2: And I feel like, even even though you're a hustler,
Speaker 2: the business plan or the the idea still has has
Speaker 2: to have some sort of structure, right, You're either gonna
Speaker 2: go and buy it, like I said for my Bearet
Speaker 2: for example, who Gemma spoke about not last season. You're
Speaker 2: gonna go and buy these clothes and then you're gonna
Speaker 2: have to have enough money to go and buy another
Speaker 2: bail to then go and serve it. And you have
Speaker 2: to have the customers you have to have. You have
Speaker 2: to compete because you know, my bet, when you go
Speaker 2: it's like the whole you know, stretch, and you have
Speaker 2: to be like, no, I got the best T shirt
Speaker 2: for you when someone's walking past. So it's not like
Speaker 2: and not everyone has that. Not everyone has that business acumen,
Speaker 2: not everyone has that interpersonal skills. And I think people
Speaker 2: just think and then I know Zimbabwe is definitely due
Speaker 2: to lack of That's why everyone now does a chicken project.
Speaker 2: But the whole ethos of it was that only those
Speaker 2: who can really do it should be doing it. You know,
Speaker 2: I can go to your ninety five, but not because
Speaker 2: there's no ninety five everybody would do.
Speaker 3: It's like when you're driving down the road and it's
Speaker 3: mango season. I mean obviously, because but everybody be selling
Speaker 3: the same thing. Like nothing differentiate and as a customer,
Speaker 3: you're like, what do I choose? But I've noticed even
Speaker 3: like the lady near my parents' place. I remember when
Speaker 3: I was home in April, I went to buy like
Speaker 3: some veggies and some tomatoes, but there was a distinct lady.
Speaker 3: She understood business. She was she was quick to reach
Speaker 3: out and be like, oh, I can give you this
Speaker 3: or whatever then quisa.
Speaker 2: Or you know, or even washing your hand thing with
Speaker 2: you to wash your hair. Yeah, I enhance and a
Speaker 2: plastic bag to carry my veggies home as well.
Speaker 3: It's just like on the basic level, and I don't
Speaker 3: think everyone has that. And I saw that and we
Speaker 3: spoke about it when I was planning for my Aurora
Speaker 3: where it's like you want to support local businesses, but
Speaker 3: sometimes local businesses don't want you to support them because
Speaker 3: there isn't that culture of like cultivating you know, good
Speaker 3: relationships and things like that.
Speaker 2: So no, yeah, I think that's the saddest form of
Speaker 2: hassler for me, the one who's doing it with no choice, yes,
Speaker 2: you know, because then it's like there's no calling to it,
Speaker 2: there's no I can do this to it. There is
Speaker 2: just I have to exactly when people are stuck in
Speaker 2: a corner. A lot of times we don't perform at
Speaker 2: our best. Yes, So I think like, yeah, even when
Speaker 2: it comes to Haustler's, it's like if you feel like
Speaker 2: this or nothing, it's like it loses that like that
Speaker 2: authenticity about it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Then that's when you don't get the plastic bag, when
Speaker 2: you buy your mangles.
Speaker 3: And you're just like, okay.
Speaker 2: It's angry with you, or you don't have change, my guy,
Speaker 2: someone else will be like mamm made change, and that's
Speaker 2: going to go exactly exactly difference and get angry with
Speaker 2: me exactly, or like the.
Speaker 3: Ones you put then nonsense tomatoes at the bottom of
Speaker 3: the dish. And then only when you open your plastic
Speaker 3: you're like, seriously, you know, repeat customers, you need to
Speaker 3: think about the things like she will tell me need
Speaker 3: to come. So I don't think everyone's is kind of
Speaker 3: wired that way. But what would you say are some
Speaker 3: of the benefits to the to the hussle culture or
Speaker 3: side hussle culture specifically?
Speaker 2: I suppose for me is that the the opportunities are endless,
Speaker 2: right as I said before, in Zimbabwe, especially where it's
Speaker 2: like education, education, education books, books, books, if you're not
Speaker 2: so inclined, then then can be another option for you. Right,
Speaker 2: You're not just gonna be like, oh okay, I didn't
Speaker 2: become a nurse or a teacher. What do I do now?
Speaker 2: They're like, okay, I can do this instead. And also
Speaker 2: we have what I like to call our God given gifts,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's nice if you can make something
Speaker 2: out of them. You know, sorry about bake and they
Speaker 2: give you the recipe, Like my child, my cake didn't
Speaker 2: turn out. It ain't work, the main thing. So it's like,
Speaker 2: why not be given your flowers quote unquote for your talents?
Speaker 2: You and I think in informal sectors or even as
Speaker 2: you said, a lot of times for black people, we've
Speaker 2: been shut out of these formal sectors. It's nice that
Speaker 2: it can we have another space where we can operate,
Speaker 2: you know, and also breeds creativity. I think people really
Speaker 2: I think outside the box more so than ninety five.
Speaker 3: And I think it's such a great like you and
Speaker 3: I have already mentioned, it's a great outlet, you know,
Speaker 3: for those of us who and especially we've talked about
Speaker 3: being an African child and the restrictions or the limitations
Speaker 3: to what you can do and who you can even
Speaker 3: though you know, yes, I have this, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: really into fashion and I can see and limited to okay,
Speaker 3: but you're studying science. It's like, okay, Yeah, if I
Speaker 3: don't get to do what I love off bat, I
Speaker 3: will study and get myself that job and then branch
Speaker 3: off into that at the Avenue. And it keeps us
Speaker 3: live because I think if we don't have those outlets,
Speaker 3: you're just like dying. Like this podcast has been such
Speaker 3: a reprieve and you know, therapeutic for us definitely when
Speaker 3: especially when the pandemic was at its height. You know,
Speaker 3: it can really do a lot for you. So I
Speaker 3: definitely see.
Speaker 2: And like if you think about a lot of the
Speaker 2: innovative businesses started out as side hustle. Yes, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not like even in the Western world, it's not
Speaker 2: like even Amazon and all that's starting people's garages, you know,
Speaker 2: they're not just like they're still getting to work and
Speaker 2: in the evening they're doing their side hustle hoping it
Speaker 2: becomes something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I think it just drives innovation, it drives thinking
Speaker 2: outside the box. Yeah, there's a lot of benefits to it.
Speaker 3: And I think when people do something that they really
Speaker 3: are called to. It also shows you that there's a
Speaker 3: place for everyone in this world. I feel like sometimes
Speaker 3: it's especially in formal sector, can feel very limited. You're
Speaker 3: not wanted too this. It kind of says, you know what,
Speaker 3: free game. And I think the Internet has been a
Speaker 3: blessing in that way to say, actually there's room and
Speaker 3: space for you. What you do with that room and space,
Speaker 3: now that's your your own issue, but it's just it
Speaker 3: just makes it validates you as a human, especially as
Speaker 3: minorities or those previously excluded from a lot of these sectors.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, What do you think could be
Speaker 2: the drawbacks then, because you're obviously pro we got the
Speaker 2: podcast pros exactly.
Speaker 3: I think the drawbacks burnout absolutely if you think about
Speaker 3: where it's the side hassle isn't your only hussle. You
Speaker 3: quickly burnout because when you come home when you're supposed
Speaker 3: to be resting, you are working, and it can lead
Speaker 3: to an imbalanced life and you have to be very
Speaker 3: intentional about taking the time out to rest. I think too,
Speaker 3: some of the drawbacks it the pressure. As we've mentioned that,
Speaker 3: oh we all need to have side house. What if
Speaker 3: I'm not wired then that way, what if the formal sector,
Speaker 3: But it seems the world often judges people are how
Speaker 3: could you not have a side hustle, you know, we
Speaker 3: can't survive anymore on you know, one means of in
Speaker 3: one stream of income, you need to have additional income
Speaker 3: sources and streams. So that whole culture has definitely led
Speaker 3: to a lot of burnout people over working themselves. And
Speaker 3: I think that's why as much as side hustole culture
Speaker 3: has been propelling forward during COVID and after as these
Speaker 3: last few years we've seen the great resignation or the
Speaker 3: silent resignation is the silent resis quiet twining, quiet quitting
Speaker 3: because people realize it's unsustainable. It often comes at the
Speaker 3: cost of your own well being and mental weal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And speaking of being unsustainable, I think also financial, yes,
Speaker 2: because like sometimes side hustles then require capital and then
Speaker 2: people then use their normal hustle to then Now, but
Speaker 2: this has to work, you know, and like it loses
Speaker 2: that that fun aspect of it. It loses that it's
Speaker 2: like make or break right, there's like one of those
Speaker 2: that reality show is not a reality show, but whatever
Speaker 2: you want. A shark tank where you go on and
Speaker 2: you talk about your business and then you get investors, right,
Speaker 2: and then it's like that's great and all. But a
Speaker 2: lot of the questions they ask is how much money
Speaker 2: have you put into this? Yes? You know, and then
Speaker 2: they see how liable this viable? And hold the liability
Speaker 2: as well of this business because like people with thinking
Speaker 2: their houses, people thinking all their pay from the work
Speaker 2: for twenty years, then they got one day eureka, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go and do this, and then sun all their
Speaker 2: money that they work so hard or into that one idea.
Speaker 2: And I think it's just because people have this, it
Speaker 2: has to work, it will work, and then they dream big,
Speaker 2: which is good, but unfortunately not everyone who dreams big
Speaker 2: gets to land where they're you know. So I think
Speaker 2: the drawback is that it makes you think, wow, I
Speaker 2: can do everything, but can you really? Is it feasible?
Speaker 2: You have to do calculated risk to see if this
Speaker 2: can work.
Speaker 3: It's definitely high risk in some regards, like if the
Speaker 3: investment is low and roads are high, that's great for you.
Speaker 3: But sometimes, as you mentioned, the the risk is high
Speaker 3: and then you invest a lot and there's a lot
Speaker 3: to lose, which can be challenging. Would you say that
Speaker 3: side hustles are a waste of time? I mean I
Speaker 3: think I kind of know. But when do you call
Speaker 3: it either way like yes or no it's a waste
Speaker 3: of time. When do you say, okay, it's a waste
Speaker 3: of time, or when do you say no, it's not
Speaker 3: a waste of time.
Speaker 2: I think for me, saying it's a waste of time
Speaker 2: sounds so dismissive, right, I think you need to gauge
Speaker 2: at yourself and see if it's worth your time. Okay,
Speaker 2: So like it's like, you know, yeah, like what you
Speaker 2: said so well about like you you just have to see, like,
Speaker 2: am I losing myself in this? Am I burning out
Speaker 2: to the point where it's like having said that, launching
Speaker 2: a business or anything, you're gonna have a bit of burnout, girl,
Speaker 2: You're gonna have a bit of So you now need
Speaker 2: to realize how much is too much? Only you know
Speaker 2: your boundaries, which we spoke about in our third episode.
Speaker 2: Only you know how far you're gonna go. Hopefully your
Speaker 2: family are also supportive enough, because you also have to
Speaker 2: think of the people. You have this pipe dream and
Speaker 2: then there's people around you also. Now I have to
Speaker 2: hold you up whilst you're having this dream of I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be this, I'm gonna be that, you know. And
Speaker 2: that's why I find the side hustles that come from
Speaker 2: people's like I want to call it, people's hands made
Speaker 2: my walk always say, I think of how to say
Speaker 2: it in English. But like you know, cooking or like
Speaker 2: doing hair, those side hushles tend to be not a
Speaker 2: waste of time for me because it's like you're being
Speaker 2: creative with something that.
Speaker 3: It's tangible, it's visible and ale yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to like doing business business and
Speaker 2: like starting on a tech company or something, it's like
Speaker 2: a different mindset.
Speaker 3: I feel different, mindset different.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 3: You so right as you said, you have to know
Speaker 3: yourself if you can handle it. And sometimes I think
Speaker 3: we don't really think about the cost of it, if
Speaker 3: that makes sense, Like yeah, yes, definitely, Oh I can
Speaker 3: do it if they can do it too. But everyone
Speaker 3: talks about the grind and how tough it is and
Speaker 3: how yeah draining it is, and for me, it's not
Speaker 3: worth it if you're doing it just because that's what
Speaker 3: everyone is doing. We also see it that now in
Speaker 3: Zim because the formal sector is very small for you
Speaker 3: to get a job or actually make a career for yourself.
Speaker 3: People are just like, well, okay, cheatah business, and it's like,
Speaker 3: that's not in world in white. I was never wired
Speaker 3: that way. So knowing yourself and being honest with yourself
Speaker 3: is a big, big thing. And also maybe just have
Speaker 3: a hobby. I've seen somewhere where people say, not every
Speaker 3: hobby is a side hustle. It's okay, does that a girl? Yes,
Speaker 3: just have the hobby. It's all right, yes it it's
Speaker 3: not necessary. But I wouldn't say just keep.
Speaker 2: It in your circle of influence. And it's all exactly.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't say a side hustle is a waste
Speaker 3: of time. I think it's sustained many families, many communities.
Speaker 3: It's necessary. It's been a necessary part of our history
Speaker 3: and our modern day age. So we can't discount it
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have to also remember forever and launches
Speaker 2: the business. The probably ten other ones that failed, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like the one that ends up
Speaker 2: making it that people know about. There's a few that
Speaker 2: they would have stopped started, you know. Lemonade stand when
Speaker 2: you're young kids all the way to like all these things.
Speaker 2: They also teach you a lot of things that textbooks
Speaker 2: and stuff can't teach teach you, you know, approaching people
Speaker 2: and trying to have customer service and all that stuff
Speaker 2: is it's it's hard to teach. You just have to
Speaker 2: experience it and see how it is for yourself. So
Speaker 2: it's not always you know, yes, financially people could look
Speaker 2: at it like that, but there's other ways we're growing
Speaker 2: that are not always financial.
Speaker 3: True, But I think a lot of especially where we
Speaker 3: come from, everything is tied to okay, Marie, or what
Speaker 3: do you got or what are you able to gain
Speaker 3: from this? Unfortunately?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what are you doing this for? Like I'm
Speaker 2: sure our parents even think, okay, girls, you got a podcast?
Speaker 2: And then you feel like it's like what where is
Speaker 2: this going? What are you going to be doing a
Speaker 2: radio show? Like it has to be going somewhere for
Speaker 2: them to be like, oh, okay, you know, not just but
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, what if I just enjoy doing something
Speaker 2: that's not good enough?
Speaker 3: Yes and getting answered listen to that advice, so now
Speaker 3: you must And it's like and.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, so you've you've done this business, are
Speaker 2: you dispersed it? Because last time I changed, you couldn't
Speaker 2: set your tomatoes. Okay, don't now come and tell me that.
Speaker 2: But yeah. Thinking about family though, what type of support
Speaker 2: would you expect from family and friends when you have
Speaker 2: a side hustle.
Speaker 3: It's a good question because there's often a debate of
Speaker 3: are you expected. Are your family and friends expected to
Speaker 3: your clients to expect to be your clients buy from you.
Speaker 3: I think the most important support is talking through your ideas,
Speaker 3: say you know you can do this, or you know,
Speaker 3: share what you're doing, and if they're able to help invest,
Speaker 3: that's all well and good. If they're able to support
Speaker 3: and purchase, that's all well and good. But you will
Speaker 3: have people who will support you from your family and friends.
Speaker 3: But I don't think the expectation that erybody is going
Speaker 3: to support you, It's impossible. I think it's more to
Speaker 3: do with the emotional mental support, sometimes physical. If you
Speaker 3: need to package your goods, be like, hey, honey, that
Speaker 3: is what we need to be doing, and then they
Speaker 3: talk exactly for you, Amanda. As a working mom, if
Speaker 3: your side hustle, someone needs to look after Jerome, It's
Speaker 3: like okay, and someone saying okay, I will babysit so
Speaker 3: and so so. In that way, I think that's really
Speaker 3: helpful support connecting you to people saying have you thought
Speaker 3: about this? Or you know, sometimes being your champion when
Speaker 3: you lose faith in yourself, all those kinds of ways.
Speaker 3: Whether or not they buy from you, I don't think
Speaker 3: you should take it as a given.
Speaker 2: They don't want to domato because maybe your tomatoes.
Speaker 3: Down the road.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, so.
Speaker 3: Let them let them.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's been My biggest lesson has been that,
Speaker 2: I think in having a side hustle over side business
Speaker 2: that my friends and family. Look, it's especially in Zimbabwean culture,
Speaker 2: especially in African culture, we tend to be a bit hales.
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, we need endorsement from other people
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, my sister is actually doing something cool,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Sometimes sometimes we realize it ourselves,
Speaker 2: but as the culture this general, we tend not to yes,
Speaker 2: you know you like see like Indian people, for example,
Speaker 2: once one opens the business, the whole street gonna end
Speaker 2: up being you know, and that's they just have that
Speaker 2: like they have that business acumen that we I guess
Speaker 2: do a lot of reasons we do not have quite
Speaker 2: as much. And I find like I think sometimes when
Speaker 2: I walked into my business, I expected that that everyone
Speaker 2: supports me and lifts me up. But then I realized that, yeah,
Speaker 2: my friends and family aren't my clients. Like, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: great if they do and do become that, but I
Speaker 2: shouldn't expect it. It's almost like just expect the worst
Speaker 2: and then you know, you get whatever you get as
Speaker 2: a bonus. Yes, because then in the day, you in yourself.
Speaker 2: You have to be your biggest champion. You have to
Speaker 2: be your biggest because in the day, yeah, I can
Speaker 2: help you post your stuff, I can take care of Jerome,
Speaker 2: but if I can to last minute, you guys to
Speaker 2: still be able to make it work.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean exactly.
Speaker 2: So it's almost like it's nice if you have it,
Speaker 2: great if you do, but it's not the end of
Speaker 2: the world if you if you don't.
Speaker 3: And this is a question for the listeners, I really
Speaker 3: want to understand, why can we not just support especially
Speaker 3: zimbabwek We've alluded to this many an episode, We've touched
Speaker 3: on it, and what is it in us as a people?
Speaker 3: We really struggle. I just want to understand the cater
Speaker 3: ration holeration in the dancery. Okay, we took it and
Speaker 3: ran with it, and I don't understand it. It's really
Speaker 3: a question. Maybe one day someone will answer it. But
Speaker 3: as we continue, at what point do you feel that
Speaker 3: the side hustle stops being a side hustle and becomes
Speaker 3: the main chick? You know, it's not the sad piece.
Speaker 2: No side piece now and it ends up being financial? Right?
Speaker 2: And how much time it's making taking away from your
Speaker 2: other stuff that you do, if you're willing to take
Speaker 2: the risk, if you're willing to make the jump all
Speaker 2: those questions. At some point, it's like your business. And
Speaker 2: maybe when it grows beyond your side astle grows beyond you,
Speaker 2: maybe when you hire someone else, maybe when you know
Speaker 2: room is not just only packing up the packages for me.
Speaker 2: Now I'm paid, you're a little bit of the salary salary,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe maybe when you pay yourself so like
Speaker 2: I think that, yeah, it ends up being financial. I
Speaker 2: think in most cases, yeah, sure, when you can sustain
Speaker 2: yourself financially in some sort of way you want to do.
Speaker 3: Or you can see the that at this trajectory. It
Speaker 3: makes sense for me to make it the full time
Speaker 3: because not everyone puts the side hustle in the midst
Speaker 3: of like it's being you know, more financially profitable than
Speaker 3: your nine five. But you can project and see the
Speaker 3: trajectory is going on. It requires one time and dedication.
Speaker 3: So then I have to say, okay, bye bye, let
Speaker 3: me put my full effort into this.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, you have to do the risk analysis
Speaker 2: and you see.
Speaker 3: This analysis.
Speaker 2: You have to make sure, yeah, you have to see
Speaker 2: it's gonna make sense because.
Speaker 3: I don't think we are educated in business terms as
Speaker 3: a society, let alone as a community Zimbabwean community. It's
Speaker 3: not normal to be taught like, okay, do the business plan,
Speaker 3: what's the cost benefits? What the risk analysis?
Speaker 2: Have you done? What analysis have you? You know, it's
Speaker 2: it's kind of just well starting people will be like,
Speaker 2: oh my chickens cost three dollars and you're okay, how
Speaker 2: did you get to that number? Yes, and it's blinglingk blingling.
Speaker 2: It's like okay, how like literally we do not have Yeah,
Speaker 2: we just do what something like like the for Zimbove
Speaker 2: with especially, we literally just do what someone else is doing.
Speaker 2: You know, and it's like, oh this worked for such
Speaker 2: and such a should work for me. But so I
Speaker 2: guess that just chosen back to not everyone's meant to
Speaker 2: be a hassle, because there's no intention with approaching it
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 3: For sure, I have a question for you. Do you
Speaker 3: have what side hassle a part of you your world
Speaker 3: or with your family growing up or even now, did
Speaker 3: you see it happen?
Speaker 2: Definitely, yes, I have to admit, like my parents got
Speaker 2: a farm. Before getting farms was like I think you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, And then they start selling chickens.
Speaker 2: Actually my dad I think was just the ninety five years.
Speaker 2: It's like Charlie, I'm fine over her, but my mom
Speaker 2: was like I want more, which was always more creative.
Speaker 2: So if I remember like dressing chickens and like getting
Speaker 2: them ready, then we used to like drop them off
Speaker 2: at Zetirapy there's like a depot just outside of town,
Speaker 2: and like they yeah, that's that was like a one
Speaker 2: client obviously, and it would like stick all these stickers
Speaker 2: on them with But like I think she just had
Speaker 2: that in her, like I and I think because I
Speaker 2: saw her obviously doing the finance thing, but I also
Speaker 2: saw her doing that on the weekends. It's kind of
Speaker 2: like was like, Okay, you can make this work. I
Speaker 2: do not think at any point I obviously will not know,
Speaker 2: but I do not think at any point she thought
Speaker 2: I'm gonna quit finance and totally do this. But I
Speaker 2: think it was there was something in her where it
Speaker 2: was like, we have this farm, let's utilize it, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think I guess because I saw that, I
Speaker 2: also had the privilege and the freedom to think, this
Speaker 2: is something I can do. So I think a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff a lot of times, but don't also think
Speaker 2: of it because it comes from fear. We can't do
Speaker 2: things we've never really seen represented well. Yes, you know,
Speaker 2: and especially in the black community, if you haven't seen
Speaker 2: someone doing well with a side hustle, you'd be like,
Speaker 2: don't do side hustling because you're just gonna sink your
Speaker 2: money and all this stuff. Yeah, But the opposite of
Speaker 2: that is it sometimes can wait can work for sure?
Speaker 2: What about you?
Speaker 3: I definitely thought my mom became a housewife when we
Speaker 3: were kids, when we moved to South Africa specifically and
Speaker 3: when you moved to ghan and she was really taken
Speaker 3: by Bautique printing and all tie and eye and what
Speaker 3: sort of you know that thing of like my wife
Speaker 3: has her side, you know, just a project to keep
Speaker 3: her busy. I really think that's how it started out.
Speaker 3: But my mom really ran with it and started. She
Speaker 3: went to different courses and by the time we moved
Speaker 3: back to Zimbabwe, it was a business she started for herself.
Speaker 3: When we were back home, they even updated a certain
Speaker 3: portion of the home so she could have the screen
Speaker 3: printing and the TI dyeing. She you cell and she
Speaker 3: had a shop at sam Levey's village at some point
Speaker 3: and so on and so forth. Then I think when
Speaker 3: my parents got their farm, that kind of had to
Speaker 3: be sidelined and she had to focus on helping. And
Speaker 3: then she also went on courses like farming pigs, farming this.
Speaker 3: So she was and right now she started a new
Speaker 3: hustle which she does in the city with chickens and
Speaker 3: it's growing. She started off small and then now you know,
Speaker 3: catching up, getting bigger, more clients. And I really think
Speaker 3: women are good at side.
Speaker 2: Huss said, have you seen that women and women are
Speaker 2: the ones really on the backbone of side hustle culture.
Speaker 2: A lot of times people will tell you. I put
Speaker 2: my kids through school, waking up early to go and
Speaker 2: sell my flusit like seriously, because we also we have
Speaker 2: no pride.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, women are not afraid to
Speaker 3: to to do what is deemed as low.
Speaker 2: Even going to England to be nurses and whatever. That
Speaker 2: is also a side hustle at the time because at
Speaker 2: the time when all this nursing stuff started, cos these
Speaker 2: jobs that are going started, the care work, all this
Speaker 2: stuff that started, the men need to be convinced, and
Speaker 2: the women went and would be like, Okay, how many men.
Speaker 3: Up, Yes, exactly exactly so.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what I was saying before. We're
Speaker 2: alluded to before that you can't think it's beyond you,
Speaker 2: you can't make it, take it personally. You just have
Speaker 2: to do what you need to do. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean for sure? And yeah, do.
Speaker 3: What she needs to do it it's inspiring. And I
Speaker 3: think I definitely get my creative side from my mom.
Speaker 3: I think my dad has a creative side on in
Speaker 3: his own tip like visually he sees things esthetically a
Speaker 3: certain way, and I think I get that from him.
Speaker 3: But my mom definitely, and she also has I can't
Speaker 3: do She's like, figure it out, bright and.
Speaker 2: Which I?
Speaker 3: Which I? And she's not an overthinker like me. I
Speaker 3: think that's what really propels her on some of us.
Speaker 3: I'll be doing the cost benefits, lashdown run. I'll be like,
Speaker 3: what's the cost benefit, what's the ratest, what's the the
Speaker 3: you know which sometimes can you know inhibit you paralysis analysis.
Speaker 3: I'll just drop that in there because we're gonna get
Speaker 3: to that a little treat at the end of the episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So any advice though, how to navigate this space.
Speaker 3: I think that when it comes to side hushold culture,
Speaker 3: you need to do something that you stand tent toes
Speaker 3: down behind. It needs to be something that you can believe,
Speaker 3: at least from what I have witnessed. It needs to
Speaker 3: be something that it pushes you. Honestly, though some people
Speaker 3: succeed in businesses that maybe they don't care about, knew
Speaker 3: nothing about before and all that. But you need to
Speaker 3: be confident in it, and Santano's down that you can
Speaker 3: do it. It's about a self belief and always think
Speaker 3: about what can what something different I can bring to
Speaker 3: the table that would be availume to people, and who
Speaker 3: are my clients who's my audience and why should they
Speaker 3: care about what I have to say or do or
Speaker 3: provide them. I don't know what advice you are really
Speaker 3: in the side.
Speaker 2: I definitely I think we also need to remember that
Speaker 2: we're in positions of service, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: When you have your business, especially when you're in the
Speaker 2: grassroots level, you don't have twenty people working for you.
Speaker 2: So don't act like you do child like you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, just humble yourself, be there for
Speaker 2: your clients. Like all we're talking about about the people
Speaker 2: who run to go and get changed or give your
Speaker 2: plastic bag or give you a bit of suce with
Speaker 2: your mango. Yes, wash your hands, like, just be in
Speaker 2: a season of service, yes, because that just keeps growing
Speaker 2: and growing. And people then do do word of mouth
Speaker 2: because you treated them well? Do word of mouth because
Speaker 2: they see your talent. You know. I hate it when
Speaker 2: you see hairdresses and they make you wait four five hours,
Speaker 2: they cancel on you the day before, they do all
Speaker 2: of this. Yes, we need your services, of course, but
Speaker 2: make me want to come back, yes, you know, make
Speaker 2: me not go look at me? You also does it,
Speaker 2: because come on, we're not unique. We all if you
Speaker 2: look you even these days with the internet, if you
Speaker 2: look for one hairdresser, you'll find tens, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So it's like, what makes you, as you said,
Speaker 2: what makes you stick out? What's your little extra to
Speaker 2: make your extraordinary? What's that little say that that makes
Speaker 2: you think, Okay, only room we can do my hair?
Speaker 2: You know, only room we can sell me these tomatoes?
Speaker 3: Yes, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I think we lose that and and
Speaker 2: nowadays we just think if you don't want to do
Speaker 2: with my time or no, like we're we're in a
Speaker 2: season of service to our time.
Speaker 3: And repeat customers are really valuable because the effort to
Speaker 3: gain new customers is so much harder as opposed to
Speaker 3: someone I trust. I trust Amanda, and I'm going to
Speaker 3: ask you every time to help me with my starling.
Speaker 3: If you didn't know Amanda is a stylist, we might
Speaker 3: have some new listeners over years.
Speaker 2: So she like what if that's what she does?
Speaker 3: And also for shoots, and she also does consultations.
Speaker 2: Why we're friends like these, how can I fail?
Speaker 3: We need to know we met, Let them let them know,
Speaker 3: let them she's you know, she's got a certification from
Speaker 3: the Australian Institute Styling Institute Institute. She she got it,
Speaker 3: she got got it. That's an she'd be educated educated
Speaker 3: and she also got the style. And if you want
Speaker 3: to see some of her work for my wedding.
Speaker 2: And styling, she gonna be way too much credit. You
Speaker 2: got that, I your mom.
Speaker 3: I definitely got it. But she just also added obviously
Speaker 3: her little time. Remember the photographer, I know we're digressing.
Speaker 3: Remember the photographer for my check wedding. We laid out,
Speaker 3: you laid out the dresses and so including my mom's dress.
Speaker 3: I think my mom had moms.
Speaker 2: Dress our dresses, yes, yes, and then your beauty is
Speaker 2: waiting dress.
Speaker 3: He was like, who who styled this? And I was
Speaker 3: like and he was so sure he was sugar, And
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: Like these check people now let him now. He was
Speaker 2: like okay, he was really sure. We digress, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we digress. But also maybe that's another point of advice.
Speaker 2: Be your biggest cheerleader in the room. Like I remember,
Speaker 2: like I went to the seminar and like Americans are
Speaker 2: so good with self promoting, like we were. It was
Speaker 2: like a podcast thing and they were like, you know,
Speaker 2: even when someone's a guest on a podcast and make
Speaker 2: it sound like they owned the podcast, you know, like
Speaker 2: Australians have told Poppy syndrome. You know, don't be seen
Speaker 2: being too you know, egotistical, but it's like it's a
Speaker 2: mixture of both. Don't be like a nose about it.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, also let people know this
Speaker 2: is what I do. I can help you. I can
Speaker 2: advertise yourself a little bit for sure.
Speaker 3: And you know the ones who are confident, so what's up?
Speaker 3: Aunties and uncles, they just be sending you there thing
Speaker 3: and I just sign up to know I'm not auture.
Speaker 2: But WhatsApp that's coming clutch with those business blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: because now you know what do you need the website
Speaker 2: for what do you need? Like it's such a good
Speaker 2: informal sector because people can put their photos of their
Speaker 2: cakes and they're stapping. You're like bless us, you know,
Speaker 2: like for roombes, for roombs are hands in her We
Speaker 2: had one of my girls that I know from ZIM
Speaker 2: and she literally when I got her number, I just
Speaker 2: saw the platters she had to offer. It was just
Speaker 2: so easy and I thought, WhatsApp.
Speaker 3: It's really helpful for those that's good advice. And man,
Speaker 3: get your nice profile my photos because even business cater
Speaker 3: the caterer for Rota, like the snacks after the blessing,
Speaker 3: before the mail, it was just on what tapp. I
Speaker 3: just looked. I was like, Okay, that sounds good. Even
Speaker 3: the cake lady like it helped goes a long way
Speaker 3: and I loved them even to these this day, like
Speaker 3: my makeup artists and ZIM and the promo on on WhatsApp.
Speaker 2: She just themn like get your get your work, work work.
Speaker 2: I also realized that there is work behind it. Be
Speaker 2: ready to work, be ready to show up and show
Speaker 2: out and make people remember you in a good way.
Speaker 2: Yeaes for sure.
Speaker 3: She was actually and she had behind the scenes that
Speaker 3: came like she was just wanting. Sheign yes, brought her
Speaker 3: formal makeup chair.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, you know what we need to
Speaker 2: do a whole list and just like real advertise all
Speaker 2: those girl because they're doing things and they've been doing things.
Speaker 3: Hayman class make up by patience. If you wanted to know,
Speaker 3: justh God, this has been so so refreshing and I
Speaker 3: thoroughly enjoyed this conversation this topic. We hope you've enjoyed
Speaker 3: talking about it. But before we go, before I let
Speaker 3: you go.
Speaker 2: For our fiftieth episode, ROOMBI, what do we have for
Speaker 2: the peoples we have.
Speaker 3: So excited talking about, you know, hustling fiftieth episode, we
Speaker 3: have launched our website. Yes, finally, five seasons in. Yes,
Speaker 3: might be late for some of y'all, but it's right
Speaker 3: on time for us.
Speaker 2: We have our perfect timing.
Speaker 3: For perfect timing, we have our website. It's at www
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Speaker 3: what's the point? Why should they care?
Speaker 2: Well? Our tagline is delve deeper, right, So what better
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Speaker 2: get to know more about our episodes, get to know
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Speaker 2: Than having a website, it's like the perfect landing page
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Speaker 2: This episode is a perfect example of that. We're big
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Speaker 3: You completely, absolutely, and we'll be will we're blogging again,
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Speaker 3: also try to grow in a sustainable at a sustainable
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