WEBVTT - S05E05 | It's Layered | Delve Deeper Into... Side Hustle Culture | 50th Episode 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:15.080 I'm always always, sir. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.680 Be careful love those. 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:27.240 Umboo let We'll use your head. They will tear you 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:30.160 lack a purple talk. 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.080 Oh no, no, no, yeah. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:36.960 Yeah yeah yeah, oh no no no. 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.600 Hi. I'm Amanda and I'm Rumby. 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:43.560 Welcome to Its lay It. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.800 We're in a long distance friendship that started over twenty 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:48.600 years ago when we were in high school. 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:53.200 We'll be talking about all things life, love, family, anything 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.160 and everything else under the sun. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:59.680 Delve deeper with us because in life, you know my layers. 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:06.200 Oh no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh. 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:11.600 No, yeah, welcome, Welcome to a brand new episode of 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:16.839 It's Layered, Amanda. This is a little special, right, it's 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.720 a little you know, can you tell us what we're 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:20.640 a little hot girl. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:26.760 It's the huge milestone of fifty our fiftieth episode, guys, 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:32.960 in our fifth season, and it's episode five after fifth season. 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:37.320 Yes, episode five of the fifth season, fiftieth episode. Do 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:39.320 you see what we're doing there with the number five. 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:43.920 This summer with the numerology five five five, so associated 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.160 with change, so triple five. This could be changing location, 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.600 change of a drop, change of relationships, something that's just 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.840 you know, propelling you to the Next Dimension. So that 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.760 sounds pretty good for a fiftieth episode. 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.520 Think I love I love the dimension new dimension thing 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:07.120 you just mentioned over there. It's really dope. I mean, honestly, 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:10.120 we all we keep saying this that we didn't expect 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:11.840 to be here, that we would get this far. 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:19.000 And we have our little pop virtual hug because I 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:21.960 could not have done this without you. You've made fifty 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.440 pass by so quickly, Like how how. 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:29.960 Especially considering we record like across the globe, So Charlie, 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:31.720 if I tell you, guys, let you in on a 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.680 little secret. And the worst when it comes to I'm 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:39.680 always missing up times on time zone WI zones, they 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.360 mess in my head. Worse if we're also recording someone 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:46.400 in a different time zone to Blader of Us list. 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.239 It's all work, guys, but it become plain, it's becomplex. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.680 It'd be like what am I doing? But like, seriously, 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.440 we love doing what we do, and it's so fitting 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:01.000 for the topic we've chosen today for this episode. Side 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.079 hustle culture every day. 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:10.919 I'm hustling every day. I'm hustling every day. Every day. 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:15.280 I'm hustling. No, no, I don't even know what he says, 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:19.160 but I'm like what he says, the way he says, Okay, 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:25.160 yeah five culture. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's different kind of hustle. 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.200 We're not not necessarily talking about that. 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:35.000 Yeah yeah, g version of hustling. I ain't pushing no peace, 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:41.040 I ain't pushing no drugs. I am just doing something else. 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.839 Something else. So, Amanda, what is a side hustle to you? 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.640 I think for me, it's just having Like obviously, we 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.080 all got our nine to five or we all got 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:55.480 what we went to school for, quote unquote, especially as 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.880 Zim kids, we went to do whatever you need a 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:00.720 degree and got a job. This is something you do 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.240 literally on the side of that, whether it's something that 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.600 brings you money or brings you joy, or you just 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:10.520 do it for whatever reason. It's literally something on the 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.400 side of your main hustle, which is just your main 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:14.440 nine to five. 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:15.080 Yeah. 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:16.480 Do you think that's the same for you? 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.719 I completely agree, And I'm trying to find just like 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.720 you're looking for something. Apparently, the term hustle comes from 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:28.960 It's a late seventeenth century word that comes from Dutch 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.440 Hutzalan hustle sinds three of them. Oh, and it dates 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.719 back to the early twentieth century. So it's a Dutch 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:40.119 word which means shake or toss, shake or top. Okay, 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.760 So I guess what Amanda said about it being not 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:47.839 tied specifically to your regular regular or nine to five, 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.800 it implies it just something on the side, just doing 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:53.719 like a side Also, you know how that hus is 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.359 doing on the side, and I agree it's not aligned 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:03.240 typically not aligned with what you're studying or what your 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:04.520 full time job would be. 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.679 Do you have or have you had something you consider 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:10.840 side hustle. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:16.440 Yes and no. I mean yes, I've worked consulting in 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.840 digital marketing, social media management and that kind of thing, 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.359 so I've definitely done that. But I also do a 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.960 lot of my hobbies but in a hussle way. I 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.839 don't know how to explain it. So, for example, this 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:35.000 podcast would be doing the side hustle. I've worked on 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:39.880 other platforms and done other things, so definitely, I think 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:43.440 it's always been something I've done, but I haven't looked 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:45.880 at it necessarily as like, oh, my side hustle. It's 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:47.760 just something I enjoy doing or do on the. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.200 Side, So it's more like to get the creative juices 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:53.960 out rather than the hustle I hope this makes me 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.520 money because that's what ends up happening right side. 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.839 Yeah, exactly, So it's more hobby based. What about your 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.120 I mean, I know what your side hustle. 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.240 Is, but uh yeah, well definitely my styling business is 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.440 what people would probably consider a side hustle, Charlie, when 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.200 you're filling out forms, when you're ninety five and you're like, 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.960 I got ten minutes, let me quickly do something. Yeah 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:18.240 like it? That is I would definitely have to say 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.560 that is a side hustle for me. It's something that 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:23.560 I would in an ideal world where we get everything 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.520 we want, it would not be a side hustle. That 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.919 would be my main hustle and I will not be 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.360 doing my nine to five. But obviously reality is reality, 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:37.560 and it's a side hustle that I one day hope 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:43.640 becomes my hustle. So definitely the podcast, definitely I've done. 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.719 It's similar to you. I've done so many little things 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.920 here and there to just keep the creative juices going. 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.279 And I know a lot of friends who like bake, 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.920 A lot of friends who I mean even babysitting when 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.080 you want to have money on the side or wedding 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.599 up hours. So it's like I get like one of 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:04.640 those things that depends. The reasons will differ, but the 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:08.640 ethos is the same that you're doing something apart from 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:10.360 your main income. 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:14.920 For sure, and obviously something that is it's become a 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:18.120 hot hot thing, hot take. Like everyone wants to talk 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.880 about side hustles and all that, like what's your side hustle? 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:27.320 Why is there increasing pressure for having a side hustle? 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.520 Like people like, what's your hussle? What's your side hustle? 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.000 Like why do you think that's. 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:35.720 I mean, definitely being Zimbabwean, it's economic. You know, if 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.080 you're a teacher by trade for example, and what will 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.600 you get paid? Peanuts? So you can't be then just 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.200 relying on that, you know. Then that's why people do 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:48.680 their chicken project or their baking project or whatever events. 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.440 So I think it's just a lot of it ends 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.920 up being economic. I mean even in the broader world 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.440 or the Western society cost of living crisis, right, so 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.640 people people want to have things and do things and travel, 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:04.920 and sometimes that can't all come from the one pocket, 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.160 the one pot, so people then try and make another. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.720 I think that's why there's an increasing pressure. But I 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.920 also think there's this thing of being seen always to 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:16.680 be working, working hard, you know, not just sitting down, 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:21.840 not just relaxing. So it then perpetuates this whole you 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:23.600 need to be doing your ninety five and then after 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.840 ninety five need to come home and keep going like 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.440 you just keep work, work, work, work, work, right, for. 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:32.719 Sure, And I think we'll talk about the drawbacks in 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.600 a little bit, but it's so right. And I think 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.480 for people who are like yourself and I we always 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:41.920 talking about this, who are doers, it can be a 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.560 problematic mindset you have because it's like there's no off switch. 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:50.080 And I totally agree. I think that the pressure is 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:54.320 real from an economic standpoint. I was reading how the 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.600 hassle culture started in the seventies with you know, the 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:04.160 technological revolution as a in you could do more, faster, quicker. 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.520 Then of course, by the time computers became a thing, 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:10.040 it's like you're on the grind now, it's like you're grinding, grinding. 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:15.439 But for me, as you talked about Zimbabwe, I also 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.160 thought about it's I think it's historic right because it's 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:23.800 like black people have been excluded in mainstream economies in 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.959 a lot of or certain professions. You know, growing up 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.480 you'd see my tach shops someone selling a little something 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.520 on the side. So it's not necessarily like brand new, 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.800 just like kale is not brand new to Zimbabwe. It's 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:41.280 just putting it out there. We've been knowing. We've been 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:44.360 a meal prepping ain't new. We've been known about that, 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.600 like you know, recycling ain't new. We could go on, 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:51.400 but I think it's been an integral part of our 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.600 culture and system just for survival, like. 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:58.800 Literally yes, yes, and educational levels too. And I remember, 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.400 I mean we would look at maybe so much our generation, 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.000 but definitely like our parents and older. You could only 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.679 be a nurse, you could only be a teacher. So 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.839 then if you because of a colonial rule, so if 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.079 you're not going to be a nurse, not going to 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.240 be a teacher, then what else can you do? So 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.880 then it became like informal sector became bigger and bigger, 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:21.120 you know, selling selling food or selling tomatoes, whatever it 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.160 is to just pay for school feasons. A lot of 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.680 people have been raised by side hustle culture. Absolutely, you know, 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.040 it's not such a oh yeah, you know because most 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.520 formal sectors in these countries are not working properly, so 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:37.440 people have look elsewhere at all. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:42.000 And and actually a lot of people earn more from 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:45.720 the side hustle than a man already spoke spoke about 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.160 like you actually make more. Whether it's legal or not, 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:51.160 that's now your business with yourself and the tax man. 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:52.640 But you know what I mean. 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.280 Yeah, do you think social media pushed it? Though? To me? Though, 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:01.720 like I think longer I went and yeah, because influence 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:02.640 has a side hackler. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:06.320 Yes, initially, typically yes, initially it's. 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.880 Right before brands start approaching you and stuff. A lot 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.400 of them are working nine to five, and then they decide, okay, 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.920 now I'm actually making more money off TikTok or off 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:17.880 YouTube or off I think. 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:21.280 I think social media has just made it look more glamorous, 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:25.600 and so the dream of like ooh, you two can 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.600 live like this, which always this is the what's the 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.560 thing conspiracy theory in me, it's like, why are they 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.000 letting us black people live glamorous lives and like lux lives? 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.480 Now all of a sudden, when they were holding us back, 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.040 must be they hadn't someone else there, something else, But 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.960 that's a conversation there than we do. They got exactly. 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:46.720 They still got. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:50.400 More, but absolutely it's it's social media has made it 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:56.240 more you know, acceptable and attractive because not everyone wants 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.360 to side hustle selling tomatoes, you know what I mean? 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:03.360 Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, do you reckon everyone's being on that? 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.520 Do you reckon everyone's meant to be a hustler? 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:05.880 No? 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.480 Yeah, My people know because zimbablegans are in the cutthold 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:15.319 of a hustler every day. 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:21.920 Your customers, Yeah, probably a hustler, exactly exactly have you 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.240 have you seen this thing that was going around about 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.000 jay Z denying his cousin like four thousand, three hundred 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.600 US dollars or something, and everyone's like, hey, how could he? 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:31.280 What? 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:31.079 What? 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.080 And I think he was being interviewed by Kevin Hart 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.720 and he mentioned this and all the interview is old, 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.360 but then this thing has come up and everyone's like, ah, 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:44.480 I just give him. But it's like that energy, Like 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.920 people have all these ideas all the time, but whether 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.280 or not they come into fruition is a different story, 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.080 you know, So not everyone is kind of made for that. 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.920 And I feel like, even even though you're a hustler, 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:05.200 the business plan or the the idea still has has 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.920 to have some sort of structure, right, You're either gonna 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:09.400 go and buy it, like I said for my Bearet 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:13.120 for example, who Gemma spoke about not last season. You're 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.000 gonna go and buy these clothes and then you're gonna 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.040 have to have enough money to go and buy another 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.200 bail to then go and serve it. And you have 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:21.880 to have the customers you have to have. You have 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.560 to compete because you know, my bet, when you go 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.880 it's like the whole you know, stretch, and you have 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.000 to be like, no, I got the best T shirt 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:32.520 for you when someone's walking past. So it's not like 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.520 and not everyone has that. Not everyone has that business acumen, 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:40.880 not everyone has that interpersonal skills. And I think people 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.480 just think and then I know Zimbabwe is definitely due 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:48.040 to lack of That's why everyone now does a chicken project. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:52.080 But the whole ethos of it was that only those 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:54.560 who can really do it should be doing it. You know, 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:57.360 I can go to your ninety five, but not because 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.640 there's no ninety five everybody would do. 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.000 It's like when you're driving down the road and it's 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:07.240 mango season. I mean obviously, because but everybody be selling 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:10.839 the same thing. Like nothing differentiate and as a customer, 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.000 you're like, what do I choose? But I've noticed even 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.760 like the lady near my parents' place. I remember when 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.120 I was home in April, I went to buy like 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.880 some veggies and some tomatoes, but there was a distinct lady. 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.560 She understood business. She was she was quick to reach 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:28.040 out and be like, oh, I can give you this 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.720 or whatever then quisa. 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:35.960 Or you know, or even washing your hand thing with 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.600 you to wash your hair. Yeah, I enhance and a 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:43.000 plastic bag to carry my veggies home as well. 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.880 It's just like on the basic level, and I don't 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.040 think everyone has that. And I saw that and we 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:51.680 spoke about it when I was planning for my Aurora 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.960 where it's like you want to support local businesses, but 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:58.440 sometimes local businesses don't want you to support them because 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:03.120 there isn't that culture of like cultivating you know, good 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.520 relationships and things like that. 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.520 So no, yeah, I think that's the saddest form of 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.080 hassler for me, the one who's doing it with no choice, yes, 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.960 you know, because then it's like there's no calling to it, 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:18.000 there's no I can do this to it. There is 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:20.360 just I have to exactly when people are stuck in 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.960 a corner. A lot of times we don't perform at 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.600 our best. Yes, So I think like, yeah, even when 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.680 it comes to Haustler's, it's like if you feel like 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.720 this or nothing, it's like it loses that like that 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.120 authenticity about it. 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:33.400 You know. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.200 Then that's when you don't get the plastic bag, when 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:36.440 you buy your mangles. 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.440 And you're just like, okay. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.720 It's angry with you, or you don't have change, my guy, 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.840 someone else will be like mamm made change, and that's 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:50.160 going to go exactly exactly difference and get angry with 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:51.880 me exactly, or like the. 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.440 Ones you put then nonsense tomatoes at the bottom of 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:56.480 the dish. And then only when you open your plastic 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:59.520 you're like, seriously, you know, repeat customers, you need to 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.520 think about the things like she will tell me need 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:05.120 to come. So I don't think everyone's is kind of 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:08.320 wired that way. But what would you say are some 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:11.240 of the benefits to the to the hussle culture or 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:12.880 side hussle culture specifically? 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:18.520 I suppose for me is that the the opportunities are endless, 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.240 right as I said before, in Zimbabwe, especially where it's 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:25.160 like education, education, education books, books, books, if you're not 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:29.360 so inclined, then then can be another option for you. Right, 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.880 You're not just gonna be like, oh okay, I didn't 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:33.920 become a nurse or a teacher. What do I do now? 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.400 They're like, okay, I can do this instead. And also 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.440 we have what I like to call our God given gifts, 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.920 you know, and it's nice if you can make something 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.360 out of them. You know, sorry about bake and they 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.520 give you the recipe, Like my child, my cake didn't 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:55.320 turn out. It ain't work, the main thing. So it's like, 0:16:55.600 --> 0:17:00.360 why not be given your flowers quote unquote for your talents? 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:04.720 You and I think in informal sectors or even as 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.320 you said, a lot of times for black people, we've 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.840 been shut out of these formal sectors. It's nice that 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.520 it can we have another space where we can operate, 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:18.640 you know, and also breeds creativity. I think people really 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.280 I think outside the box more so than ninety five. 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:27.000 And I think it's such a great like you and 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:30.560 I have already mentioned, it's a great outlet, you know, 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:34.040 for those of us who and especially we've talked about 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.880 being an African child and the restrictions or the limitations 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.160 to what you can do and who you can even 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.040 though you know, yes, I have this, you know, I'm 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:46.600 really into fashion and I can see and limited to okay, 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:50.240 but you're studying science. It's like, okay, Yeah, if I 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:53.280 don't get to do what I love off bat, I 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.439 will study and get myself that job and then branch 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:00.000 off into that at the Avenue. And it keeps us 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.280 live because I think if we don't have those outlets, 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:06.520 you're just like dying. Like this podcast has been such 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:11.080 a reprieve and you know, therapeutic for us definitely when 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:15.119 especially when the pandemic was at its height. You know, 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.679 it can really do a lot for you. So I 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:19.080 definitely see. 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:21.359 And like if you think about a lot of the 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:25.080 innovative businesses started out as side hustle. Yes, you know, 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.840 it's not like even in the Western world, it's not 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:33.080 like even Amazon and all that's starting people's garages, you know, 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:35.159 they're not just like they're still getting to work and 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.520 in the evening they're doing their side hustle hoping it 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:38.399 becomes something. 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:38.800 Yeah. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:42.879 So I think it just drives innovation, it drives thinking 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:46.960 outside the box. Yeah, there's a lot of benefits to it. 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:51.040 And I think when people do something that they really 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:55.399 are called to. It also shows you that there's a 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:59.360 place for everyone in this world. I feel like sometimes 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:04.120 it's especially in formal sector, can feel very limited. You're 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.840 not wanted too this. It kind of says, you know what, 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.159 free game. And I think the Internet has been a 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:13.119 blessing in that way to say, actually there's room and 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.399 space for you. What you do with that room and space, 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.879 now that's your your own issue, but it's just it 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.720 just makes it validates you as a human, especially as 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:27.920 minorities or those previously excluded from a lot of these sectors. 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.720 So yeah, yeah, yeah, What do you think could be 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.919 the drawbacks then, because you're obviously pro we got the 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:38.119 podcast pros exactly. 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:43.240 I think the drawbacks burnout absolutely if you think about 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:48.240 where it's the side hassle isn't your only hussle. You 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.359 quickly burnout because when you come home when you're supposed 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:55.840 to be resting, you are working, and it can lead 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.800 to an imbalanced life and you have to be very 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:04.000 intentional about taking the time out to rest. I think too, 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:08.840 some of the drawbacks it the pressure. As we've mentioned that, 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:10.679 oh we all need to have side house. What if 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.760 I'm not wired then that way, what if the formal sector, 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.520 But it seems the world often judges people are how 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:20.159 could you not have a side hustle, you know, we 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:24.119 can't survive anymore on you know, one means of in 0:20:24.200 --> 0:20:27.600 one stream of income, you need to have additional income 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:33.600 sources and streams. So that whole culture has definitely led 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:38.080 to a lot of burnout people over working themselves. And 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:42.359 I think that's why as much as side hustole culture 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:48.280 has been propelling forward during COVID and after as these 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.960 last few years we've seen the great resignation or the 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:57.679 silent resignation is the silent resis quiet twining, quiet quitting 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:02.760 because people realize it's unsustainable. It often comes at the 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:05.040 cost of your own well being and mental weal. 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:10.359 Yeah. Yeah, And speaking of being unsustainable, I think also financial, yes, 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:14.399 because like sometimes side hustles then require capital and then 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:17.879 people then use their normal hustle to then Now, but 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:21.080 this has to work, you know, and like it loses 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:24.320 that that fun aspect of it. It loses that it's 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.560 like make or break right, there's like one of those 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:28.840 that reality show is not a reality show, but whatever 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.320 you want. A shark tank where you go on and 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.520 you talk about your business and then you get investors, right, 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.040 and then it's like that's great and all. But a 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:40.280 lot of the questions they ask is how much money 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.280 have you put into this? Yes? You know, and then 0:21:43.320 --> 0:21:47.159 they see how liable this viable? And hold the liability 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.199 as well of this business because like people with thinking 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.480 their houses, people thinking all their pay from the work 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.239 for twenty years, then they got one day eureka, I'm 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:58.680 gonna go and do this, and then sun all their 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:01.639 money that they work so hard or into that one idea. 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.439 And I think it's just because people have this, it 0:22:04.480 --> 0:22:07.080 has to work, it will work, and then they dream big, 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:10.359 which is good, but unfortunately not everyone who dreams big 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:14.120 gets to land where they're you know. So I think 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:16.040 the drawback is that it makes you think, wow, I 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:19.760 can do everything, but can you really? Is it feasible? 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:23.560 You have to do calculated risk to see if this 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:24.320 can work. 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:29.920 It's definitely high risk in some regards, like if the 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:33.520 investment is low and roads are high, that's great for you. 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:38.119 But sometimes, as you mentioned, the the risk is high 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:41.360 and then you invest a lot and there's a lot 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:45.800 to lose, which can be challenging. Would you say that 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.919 side hustles are a waste of time? I mean I 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:52.640