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Speaker 2: Be careful love those.

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Speaker 1: Umboo let We'll use your head. They will tear you

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Speaker 1: lack a purple talk.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, oh no no no.

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Speaker 3: Hi. I'm Amanda and I'm Rumby.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Its lay It.

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Speaker 3: We're in a long distance friendship that started over twenty

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Speaker 3: years ago when we were in high school.

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Speaker 2: We'll be talking about all things life, love, family, anything

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Speaker 2: and everything else under the sun.

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Speaker 3: Delve deeper with us because in life, you know my layers.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, welcome, Welcome to a brand new episode of

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Speaker 3: It's Layered, Amanda. This is a little special, right, it's

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Speaker 3: a little you know, can you tell us what we're

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Speaker 3: a little hot girl.

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Speaker 2: It's the huge milestone of fifty our fiftieth episode, guys,

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Speaker 2: in our fifth season, and it's episode five after fifth season.

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Speaker 3: Yes, episode five of the fifth season, fiftieth episode. Do

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Speaker 3: you see what we're doing there with the number five.

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Speaker 2: This summer with the numerology five five five, so associated

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Speaker 2: with change, so triple five. This could be changing location,

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Speaker 2: change of a drop, change of relationships, something that's just

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Speaker 2: you know, propelling you to the Next Dimension. So that

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Speaker 2: sounds pretty good for a fiftieth episode.

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Speaker 3: Think I love I love the dimension new dimension thing

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Speaker 3: you just mentioned over there. It's really dope. I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 3: we all we keep saying this that we didn't expect

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Speaker 2: And we have our little pop virtual hug because I

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Speaker 2: could not have done this without you. You've made fifty

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Speaker 2: pass by so quickly, Like how how.

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Speaker 3: Especially considering we record like across the globe, So Charlie,

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Speaker 3: if I tell you, guys, let you in on a

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Speaker 3: little secret. And the worst when it comes to I'm

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Speaker 3: in a different time zone to Blader of Us list.

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Speaker 2: It's all work, guys, but it become plain, it's becomplex.

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Speaker 2: It'd be like what am I doing? But like, seriously,

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Speaker 2: we love doing what we do, and it's so fitting

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Speaker 2: for the topic we've chosen today for this episode. Side

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Speaker 2: hustle culture every day.

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Speaker 3: I'm hustling every day. I'm hustling every day. Every day.

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Speaker 3: I'm hustling. No, no, I don't even know what he says,

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Speaker 3: but I'm like what he says, the way he says, Okay,

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Speaker 3: yeah five culture. Yeah, Yeah, that's that's different kind of hustle.

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Speaker 3: We're not not necessarily talking about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, g version of hustling. I ain't pushing no peace,

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Speaker 2: I ain't pushing no drugs. I am just doing something else.

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Speaker 3: Something else. So, Amanda, what is a side hustle to you?

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Speaker 2: I think for me, it's just having Like obviously, we

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Speaker 2: what we went to school for, quote unquote, especially as

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's the same for you?

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Speaker 3: I completely agree, And I'm trying to find just like

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Speaker 3: So I guess what Amanda said about it being not

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Speaker 3: For sure, and obviously something that is it's become a

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Speaker 3: Why is there increasing pressure for having a side hustle?

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Speaker 2: I mean, definitely being Zimbabwean, it's economic. You know, if

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Speaker 3: And and actually a lot of people earn more from

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Speaker 3: Yes, initially, typically yes, initially it's.

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Speaker 2: Right before brands start approaching you and stuff. A lot

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Speaker 3: I think social media has just made it look more glamorous,

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Speaker 3: Now all of a sudden, when they were holding us back,

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Speaker 3: that's a conversation there than we do. They got exactly.

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Speaker 2: They still got.

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Speaker 3: More, but absolutely it's it's social media has made it

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, do you reckon everyone's being on that?

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Speaker 2: Do you reckon everyone's meant to be a hustler?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, My people know because zimbablegans are in the cutthold

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Speaker 4: Your customers, Yeah, probably a hustler, exactly exactly have you

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Speaker 4: have you seen this thing that was going around about

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 3: And I think he was being interviewed by Kevin Hart

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Speaker 2: like starting on a tech company or something, it's like

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00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 2: a different mindset.

434
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Speaker 3: I feel different, mindset different.

435
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I think that.

436
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Speaker 3: You so right as you said, you have to know

437
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 3: yourself if you can handle it. And sometimes I think

438
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 3: we don't really think about the cost of it, if

439
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 3: that makes sense, Like yeah, yes, definitely, Oh I can

440
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 3: do it if they can do it too. But everyone

441
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: talks about the grind and how tough it is and

442
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 3: how yeah draining it is, and for me, it's not

443
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 3: worth it if you're doing it just because that's what

444
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 3: everyone is doing. We also see it that now in

445
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 3: Zim because the formal sector is very small for you

446
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 3: to get a job or actually make a career for yourself.

447
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 3: People are just like, well, okay, cheatah business, and it's like,

448
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 3: that's not in world in white. I was never wired

449
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 3: that way. So knowing yourself and being honest with yourself

450
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 3: is a big, big thing. And also maybe just have

451
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: a hobby. I've seen somewhere where people say, not every

452
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: hobby is a side hustle. It's okay, does that a girl? Yes,

453
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 3: just have the hobby. It's all right, yes it it's

454
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 3: not necessary. But I wouldn't say just keep.

455
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Speaker 2: It in your circle of influence. And it's all exactly.

456
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't say a side hustle is a waste

457
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 3: of time. I think it's sustained many families, many communities.

458
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 3: It's necessary. It's been a necessary part of our history

459
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 3: and our modern day age. So we can't discount it

460
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Speaker 3: at all.

461
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have to also remember forever and launches

462
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: the business. The probably ten other ones that failed, you

463
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 2: know what I mean, like the one that ends up

464
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: making it that people know about. There's a few that

465
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 2: they would have stopped started, you know. Lemonade stand when

466
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: you're young kids all the way to like all these things.

467
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: They also teach you a lot of things that textbooks

468
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: and stuff can't teach teach you, you know, approaching people

469
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: and trying to have customer service and all that stuff

470
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Speaker 2: is it's it's hard to teach. You just have to

471
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: experience it and see how it is for yourself. So

472
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 2: it's not always you know, yes, financially people could look

473
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Speaker 2: at it like that, but there's other ways we're growing

474
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: that are not always financial.

475
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 3: True, But I think a lot of especially where we

476
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 3: come from, everything is tied to okay, Marie, or what

477
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 3: do you got or what are you able to gain

478
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 3: from this? Unfortunately?

479
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like what are you doing this for? Like I'm

480
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 2: sure our parents even think, okay, girls, you got a podcast?

481
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: And then you feel like it's like what where is

482
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: this going? What are you going to be doing a

483
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: radio show? Like it has to be going somewhere for

484
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: them to be like, oh, okay, you know, not just but

485
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, what if I just enjoy doing something

486
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: that's not good enough?

487
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: Yes and getting answered listen to that advice, so now

488
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 3: you must And it's like and.

489
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, so you've you've done this business, are

490
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: you dispersed it? Because last time I changed, you couldn't

491
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 2: set your tomatoes. Okay, don't now come and tell me that.

492
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: But yeah. Thinking about family though, what type of support

493
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: would you expect from family and friends when you have

494
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 2: a side hustle.

495
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 3: It's a good question because there's often a debate of

496
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: are you expected. Are your family and friends expected to

497
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: your clients to expect to be your clients buy from you.

498
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 3: I think the most important support is talking through your ideas,

499
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: say you know you can do this, or you know,

500
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: share what you're doing, and if they're able to help invest,

501
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: that's all well and good. If they're able to support

502
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: and purchase, that's all well and good. But you will

503
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: have people who will support you from your family and friends.

504
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 3: But I don't think the expectation that erybody is going

505
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: to support you, It's impossible. I think it's more to

506
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 3: do with the emotional mental support, sometimes physical. If you

507
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: need to package your goods, be like, hey, honey, that

508
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: is what we need to be doing, and then they

509
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 3: talk exactly for you, Amanda. As a working mom, if

510
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: your side hustle, someone needs to look after Jerome, It's

511
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: like okay, and someone saying okay, I will babysit so

512
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: and so so. In that way, I think that's really

513
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 3: helpful support connecting you to people saying have you thought

514
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: about this? Or you know, sometimes being your champion when

515
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 3: you lose faith in yourself, all those kinds of ways.

516
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 3: Whether or not they buy from you, I don't think

517
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: you should take it as a given.

518
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: They don't want to domato because maybe your tomatoes.

519
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: Down the road.

520
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, so.

521
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: Let them let them.

522
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: I don't think that's been My biggest lesson has been that,

523
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: I think in having a side hustle over side business

524
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: that my friends and family. Look, it's especially in Zimbabwean culture,

525
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: especially in African culture, we tend to be a bit hales.

526
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, we need endorsement from other people

527
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, my sister is actually doing something cool,

528
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Sometimes sometimes we realize it ourselves,

529
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: but as the culture this general, we tend not to yes,

530
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: you know you like see like Indian people, for example,

531
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: once one opens the business, the whole street gonna end

532
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: up being you know, and that's they just have that

533
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: like they have that business acumen that we I guess

534
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: do a lot of reasons we do not have quite

535
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: as much. And I find like I think sometimes when

536
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: I walked into my business, I expected that that everyone

537
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: supports me and lifts me up. But then I realized that, yeah,

538
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: my friends and family aren't my clients. Like, yeah, it's

539
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 2: great if they do and do become that, but I

540
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: shouldn't expect it. It's almost like just expect the worst

541
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: and then you know, you get whatever you get as

542
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: a bonus. Yes, because then in the day, you in yourself.

543
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: You have to be your biggest champion. You have to

544
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: be your biggest because in the day, yeah, I can

545
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: help you post your stuff, I can take care of Jerome,

546
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: but if I can to last minute, you guys to

547
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: still be able to make it work.

548
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: You know what I mean exactly.

549
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: So it's almost like it's nice if you have it,

550
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: great if you do, but it's not the end of

551
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 2: the world if you if you don't.

552
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 3: And this is a question for the listeners, I really

553
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 3: want to understand, why can we not just support especially

554
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: zimbabwek We've alluded to this many an episode, We've touched

555
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 3: on it, and what is it in us as a people?

556
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 3: We really struggle. I just want to understand the cater

557
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: ration holeration in the dancery. Okay, we took it and

558
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: ran with it, and I don't understand it. It's really

559
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: a question. Maybe one day someone will answer it. But

560
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 3: as we continue, at what point do you feel that

561
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: the side hustle stops being a side hustle and becomes

562
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: the main chick? You know, it's not the sad piece.

563
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: No side piece now and it ends up being financial? Right?

564
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: And how much time it's making taking away from your

565
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: other stuff that you do, if you're willing to take

566
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 2: the risk, if you're willing to make the jump all

567
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 2: those questions. At some point, it's like your business. And

568
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: maybe when it grows beyond your side astle grows beyond you,

569
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: maybe when you hire someone else, maybe when you know

570
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 2: room is not just only packing up the packages for me.

571
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: Now I'm paid, you're a little bit of the salary salary,

572
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: you know, maybe maybe when you pay yourself so like

573
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: I think that, yeah, it ends up being financial. I

574
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: think in most cases, yeah, sure, when you can sustain

575
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: yourself financially in some sort of way you want to do.

576
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: Or you can see the that at this trajectory. It

577
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: makes sense for me to make it the full time

578
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: because not everyone puts the side hustle in the midst

579
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: of like it's being you know, more financially profitable than

580
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: your nine five. But you can project and see the

581
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: trajectory is going on. It requires one time and dedication.

582
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 3: So then I have to say, okay, bye bye, let

583
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: me put my full effort into this.

584
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, you have to do the risk analysis

585
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: and you see.

586
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: This analysis.

587
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: You have to make sure, yeah, you have to see

588
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: it's gonna make sense because.

589
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: I don't think we are educated in business terms as

590
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: a society, let alone as a community Zimbabwean community. It's

591
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: not normal to be taught like, okay, do the business plan,

592
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 3: what's the cost benefits? What the risk analysis?

593
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: Have you done? What analysis have you? You know, it's

594
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: it's kind of just well starting people will be like,

595
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: oh my chickens cost three dollars and you're okay, how

596
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 2: did you get to that number? Yes, and it's blinglingk blingling.

597
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: It's like okay, how like literally we do not have Yeah,

598
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: we just do what something like like the for Zimbove

599
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: with especially, we literally just do what someone else is doing.

600
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: You know, and it's like, oh this worked for such

601
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: and such a should work for me. But so I

602
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: guess that just chosen back to not everyone's meant to

603
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: be a hassle, because there's no intention with approaching it

604
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: that way.

605
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 3: For sure, I have a question for you. Do you

606
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: have what side hassle a part of you your world

607
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: or with your family growing up or even now, did

608
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: you see it happen?

609
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 2: Definitely, yes, I have to admit, like my parents got

610
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: a farm. Before getting farms was like I think you

611
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: know what I mean, And then they start selling chickens.

612
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: Actually my dad I think was just the ninety five years.

613
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: It's like Charlie, I'm fine over her, but my mom

614
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: was like I want more, which was always more creative.

615
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: So if I remember like dressing chickens and like getting

616
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: them ready, then we used to like drop them off

617
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: at Zetirapy there's like a depot just outside of town,

618
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: and like they yeah, that's that was like a one

619
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: client obviously, and it would like stick all these stickers

620
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: on them with But like I think she just had

621
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: that in her, like I and I think because I

622
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: saw her obviously doing the finance thing, but I also

623
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: saw her doing that on the weekends. It's kind of

624
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 2: like was like, Okay, you can make this work. I

625
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: do not think at any point I obviously will not know,

626
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: but I do not think at any point she thought

627
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna quit finance and totally do this. But I

628
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: think it was there was something in her where it

629
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: was like, we have this farm, let's utilize it, you know. Yeah,

630
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: And I think I guess because I saw that, I

631
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: also had the privilege and the freedom to think, this

632
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: is something I can do. So I think a lot

633
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: of stuff a lot of times, but don't also think

634
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: of it because it comes from fear. We can't do

635
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: things we've never really seen represented well. Yes, you know,

636
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: and especially in the black community, if you haven't seen

637
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: someone doing well with a side hustle, you'd be like,

638
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 2: don't do side hustling because you're just gonna sink your

639
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: money and all this stuff. Yeah, But the opposite of

640
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: that is it sometimes can wait can work for sure?

641
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 2: What about you?

642
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 3: I definitely thought my mom became a housewife when we

643
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: were kids, when we moved to South Africa specifically and

644
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: when you moved to ghan and she was really taken

645
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: by Bautique printing and all tie and eye and what

646
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: sort of you know that thing of like my wife

647
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: has her side, you know, just a project to keep

648
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 3: her busy. I really think that's how it started out.

649
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 3: But my mom really ran with it and started. She

650
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: went to different courses and by the time we moved

651
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: back to Zimbabwe, it was a business she started for herself.

652
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: When we were back home, they even updated a certain

653
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: portion of the home so she could have the screen

654
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: printing and the TI dyeing. She you cell and she

655
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 3: had a shop at sam Levey's village at some point

656
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 3: and so on and so forth. Then I think when

657
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 3: my parents got their farm, that kind of had to

658
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: be sidelined and she had to focus on helping. And

659
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: then she also went on courses like farming pigs, farming this.

660
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: So she was and right now she started a new

661
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 3: hustle which she does in the city with chickens and

662
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: it's growing. She started off small and then now you know,

663
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: catching up, getting bigger, more clients. And I really think

664
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 3: women are good at side.

665
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: Huss said, have you seen that women and women are

666
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: the ones really on the backbone of side hustle culture.

667
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: A lot of times people will tell you. I put

668
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: my kids through school, waking up early to go and

669
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: sell my flusit like seriously, because we also we have

670
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: no pride.

671
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 3: I was going to say, women are not afraid to

672
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 3: to to do what is deemed as low.

673
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 2: Even going to England to be nurses and whatever. That

674
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 2: is also a side hustle at the time because at

675
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: the time when all this nursing stuff started, cos these

676
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: jobs that are going started, the care work, all this

677
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: stuff that started, the men need to be convinced, and

678
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: the women went and would be like, Okay, how many men.

679
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: Up, Yes, exactly exactly so.

680
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: And I think that's what I was saying before. We're

681
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 2: alluded to before that you can't think it's beyond you,

682
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: you can't make it, take it personally. You just have

683
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: to do what you need to do. You know what

684
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: I mean for sure? And yeah, do.

685
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 3: What she needs to do it it's inspiring. And I

686
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 3: think I definitely get my creative side from my mom.

687
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 3: I think my dad has a creative side on in

688
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: his own tip like visually he sees things esthetically a

689
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: certain way, and I think I get that from him.

690
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 3: But my mom definitely, and she also has I can't

691
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: do She's like, figure it out, bright and.

692
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 2: Which I?

693
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 3: Which I? And she's not an overthinker like me. I

694
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 3: think that's what really propels her on some of us.

695
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: I'll be doing the cost benefits, lashdown run. I'll be like,

696
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: what's the cost benefit, what's the ratest, what's the the

697
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 3: you know which sometimes can you know inhibit you paralysis analysis.

698
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 3: I'll just drop that in there because we're gonna get

699
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: to that a little treat at the end of the episode.

700
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. So any advice though, how to navigate this space.

701
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 3: I think that when it comes to side hushold culture,

702
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 3: you need to do something that you stand tent toes

703
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: down behind. It needs to be something that you can believe,

704
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: at least from what I have witnessed. It needs to

705
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 3: be something that it pushes you. Honestly, though some people

706
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 3: succeed in businesses that maybe they don't care about, knew

707
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 3: nothing about before and all that. But you need to

708
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 3: be confident in it, and Santano's down that you can

709
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 3: do it. It's about a self belief and always think

710
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: about what can what something different I can bring to

711
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 3: the table that would be availume to people, and who

712
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: are my clients who's my audience and why should they

713
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 3: care about what I have to say or do or

714
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: provide them. I don't know what advice you are really

715
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: in the side.

716
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: I definitely I think we also need to remember that

717
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: we're in positions of service, you know what I mean.

718
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: When you have your business, especially when you're in the

719
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: grassroots level, you don't have twenty people working for you.

720
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: So don't act like you do child like you know

721
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, just humble yourself, be there for

722
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: your clients. Like all we're talking about about the people

723
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 2: who run to go and get changed or give your

724
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 2: plastic bag or give you a bit of suce with

725
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: your mango. Yes, wash your hands, like, just be in

726
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 2: a season of service, yes, because that just keeps growing

727
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: and growing. And people then do do word of mouth

728
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: because you treated them well? Do word of mouth because

729
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: they see your talent. You know. I hate it when

730
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: you see hairdresses and they make you wait four five hours,

731
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 2: they cancel on you the day before, they do all

732
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: of this. Yes, we need your services, of course, but

733
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: make me want to come back, yes, you know, make

734
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 2: me not go look at me? You also does it,

735
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: because come on, we're not unique. We all if you

736
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 2: look you even these days with the internet, if you

737
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: look for one hairdresser, you'll find tens, you know what

738
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: I mean. So it's like, what makes you, as you said,

739
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: what makes you stick out? What's your little extra to

740
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: make your extraordinary? What's that little say that that makes

741
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 2: you think, Okay, only room we can do my hair?

742
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: You know, only room we can sell me these tomatoes?

743
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 3: Yes, you know.

744
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: So it's like, I think we lose that and and

745
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 2: nowadays we just think if you don't want to do

746
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: with my time or no, like we're we're in a

747
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: season of service to our time.

748
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 3: And repeat customers are really valuable because the effort to

749
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: gain new customers is so much harder as opposed to

750
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 3: someone I trust. I trust Amanda, and I'm going to

751
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 3: ask you every time to help me with my starling.

752
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 3: If you didn't know Amanda is a stylist, we might

753
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 3: have some new listeners over years.

754
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 2: So she like what if that's what she does?

755
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,439
Speaker 3: And also for shoots, and she also does consultations.

756
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 2: Why we're friends like these, how can I fail?

757
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 3: We need to know we met, Let them let them know,

758
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: let them she's you know, she's got a certification from

759
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: the Australian Institute Styling Institute Institute. She she got it,

760
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: she got got it. That's an she'd be educated educated

761
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 3: and she also got the style. And if you want

762
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 3: to see some of her work for my wedding.

763
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: And styling, she gonna be way too much credit. You

764
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: got that, I your mom.

765
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 3: I definitely got it. But she just also added obviously

766
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: her little time. Remember the photographer, I know we're digressing.

767
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: Remember the photographer for my check wedding. We laid out,

768
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: you laid out the dresses and so including my mom's dress.

769
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 3: I think my mom had moms.

770
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: Dress our dresses, yes, yes, and then your beauty is

771
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: waiting dress.

772
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 3: He was like, who who styled this? And I was

773
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: like and he was so sure he was sugar, And

774
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 3: I was.

775
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: Like these check people now let him now. He was

776
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: like okay, he was really sure. We digress, but like, yeah,

777
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: we digress. But also maybe that's another point of advice.

778
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: Be your biggest cheerleader in the room. Like I remember,

779
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: like I went to the seminar and like Americans are

780
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: so good with self promoting, like we were. It was

781
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: like a podcast thing and they were like, you know,

782
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 2: even when someone's a guest on a podcast and make

783
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 2: it sound like they owned the podcast, you know, like

784
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: Australians have told Poppy syndrome. You know, don't be seen

785
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: being too you know, egotistical, but it's like it's a

786
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: mixture of both. Don't be like a nose about it.

787
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: But at the same time, also let people know this

788
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: is what I do. I can help you. I can

789
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 2: advertise yourself a little bit for sure.

790
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: And you know the ones who are confident, so what's up?

791
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 3: Aunties and uncles, they just be sending you there thing

792
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 3: and I just sign up to know I'm not auture.

793
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: But WhatsApp that's coming clutch with those business blah blah blah,

794
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: because now you know what do you need the website

795
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 2: for what do you need? Like it's such a good

796
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 2: informal sector because people can put their photos of their

797
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: cakes and they're stapping. You're like bless us, you know,

798
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: like for roombes, for roombs are hands in her We

799
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: had one of my girls that I know from ZIM

800
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: and she literally when I got her number, I just

801
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 2: saw the platters she had to offer. It was just

802
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: so easy and I thought, WhatsApp.

803
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: It's really helpful for those that's good advice. And man,

804
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,280
Speaker 3: get your nice profile my photos because even business cater

805
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: the caterer for Rota, like the snacks after the blessing,

806
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: before the mail, it was just on what tapp. I

807
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 3: just looked. I was like, Okay, that sounds good. Even

808
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: the cake lady like it helped goes a long way

809
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 3: and I loved them even to these this day, like

810
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 3: my makeup artists and ZIM and the promo on on WhatsApp.

811
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: She just themn like get your get your work, work work.

812
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: I also realized that there is work behind it. Be

813
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: ready to work, be ready to show up and show

814
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: out and make people remember you in a good way.

815
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: Yeaes for sure.

816
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: She was actually and she had behind the scenes that

817
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: came like she was just wanting. Sheign yes, brought her

818
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: formal makeup chair.

819
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, you know what we need to

820
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: do a whole list and just like real advertise all

821
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: those girl because they're doing things and they've been doing things.

822
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 3: Hayman class make up by patience. If you wanted to know,

823
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 3: justh God, this has been so so refreshing and I

824
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 3: thoroughly enjoyed this conversation this topic. We hope you've enjoyed

825
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: talking about it. But before we go, before I let

826
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 3: you go.

827
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: For our fiftieth episode, ROOMBI, what do we have for

828
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: the peoples we have.

829
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 3: So excited talking about, you know, hustling fiftieth episode, we

830
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 3: have launched our website. Yes, finally, five seasons in. Yes,

831
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 3: might be late for some of y'all, but it's right

832
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: on time for us.

833
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: We have our perfect timing.

834
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 3: For perfect timing, we have our website. It's at www

835
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: dot It's late podcast dot com. Why are website, Amanda,

836
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 3: what's the point? Why should they care?

837
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: Well? Our tagline is delve deeper, right, So what better

838
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: way to do that than to get to know us more,

839
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: get to know more about our episodes, get to know

840
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: more about our thoughts, get to share as a community.

841
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: Than having a website, it's like the perfect landing page

842
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: to just to just be as one. You know we will.

843
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,959
Speaker 2: This episode is a perfect example of that. We're big

844
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: supporters of sharing things. And I've learned this, what if

845
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: you learned? Let's come together, let's chat about it. The

846
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: ethos of ours of our podcast, and so the thought

847
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: the website is just the perfect way to bring all

848
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 2: them thoughts into one, don't.

849
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Speaker 3: You completely, absolutely, and we'll be will we're blogging again,

850
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: Amanda and I, so we'll be sharing a bit of

851
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: you know, some of the things that we want to

852
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 3: talk about. You can also subscribe so that you get

853
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 3: the latest information first. We're just so excited to just

854
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 3: take it to the next step. You know. One thing

855
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 3: about Side Hustles is I think progression for us as

856
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 3: individuals and as a duo with this podcast is so important.

857
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 3: So we constantly surprise to some or not. We constantly

858
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 3: ask ourselves like what else can we do? But we

859
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 3: also try to grow in a sustainable at a sustainable

860
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 3: rate because we know that we have a lot going

861
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: on in our lives, so we we obviously don't want

862
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 3: to start something and then you know, yeah, yeah.

863
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: And also to make it our episodes somewhat more accessible

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Speaker 2: as well, Like I mean, if you're gonna be jumping

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Speaker 2: off Spotify or Apple Podcasts or any of the places

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Speaker 2: where you get your podcasts normally, it's nice for us

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Speaker 2: to have our catalog elsewhere somewhere where we own as

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Speaker 2: well as black women, very very important for us to

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Speaker 2: own our own stuff. And the website is a perfect

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Speaker 2: place because it's it's ours. I mean, hey, who knows,

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Speaker 2: one day we might just be like, oh the episodes

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Speaker 2: on the podcast and podcast only, yeah only, you never know,

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Speaker 2: so that could be our growth, that could be our goal.

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Speaker 2: But definitely check it out, tell us what you think.

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Speaker 2: Subscribed and right along on this journey with us for sure.

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Speaker 3: So that's our ZIM shout out to be shouting out ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Yes we can, Okay, bet on ourselves half that we

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Speaker 2: are every day. Yeah, but we're upside.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, so shout out. Please check us out.

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Speaker 3: Will leave all the information in the show notes, and

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Speaker 3: also shout out to all our listeners, all our new listeners,

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Speaker 3: everyone who dms us.

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Speaker 2: We see you.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate you, seriously, seriously, like we keep hitting different

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Speaker 3: milestones and as we said earlier, the little podcast that could,

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Speaker 3: and we keep coulding.

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Speaker 2: So we're greateful that we keep going. At some point

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Speaker 2: we're not going to be the little podcast anymore. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna just be like, Okay, we appreciate the journey. Fifty

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Speaker 2: episodes is no joke. There's blood, sweat and tears behind

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Speaker 2: these episodes. We do our episodes with intent because we

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Speaker 2: we wanted to provide something that we were looking for

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Speaker 2: as well, you know, And and we're so happy that

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Speaker 2: you guys are engage with us, engaging with the content,

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Speaker 2: engaging with the guests that we have this season, our

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Speaker 2: Barbie season Barb. So please keep cheering this episode fifty today,

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Speaker 2: but the other rest of the season is coming along

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Speaker 2: and you've still got many more surprises for you.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, thank you so so much. Thanks, and thank you

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Speaker 3: for listening, tuning in, share it with your friend, your

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Speaker 3: friend's friends, your auntie, your uncle, whoever you think can

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Speaker 3: enjoy this episode and all our previous episodes. And we

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Speaker 3: will see you guys on the next one. Take care everyone, bye.

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Speaker 2: We will tell you lack a purple

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Speaker 1: Talk no no, no, yeah yeah yeah yeah