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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was.

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Speaker 2: It's been a few weeks between well public holidays and

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Speaker 2: me being away, but we are back and joining me

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Speaker 2: in the studio is the COLP Jared Mayley.

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Speaker 3: Good morning to you, Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 2: And we've got the Minister for Police and also Territory Families,

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Speaker 2: Kate Warden, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 4: Kate most importantly member for Samson.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely and Jared obviously the Member for Nelson, and we

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Speaker 2: have also got the Member for Goid Kizy Appuic.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Katy, morning bush people.

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Speaker 2: It's wonderful to have you all in the studio and

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Speaker 2: it has been an incredibly busy week, there is no

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Speaker 2: doubt about it. I do want to start with a

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Speaker 2: terribly tragic situation that we've seen well earlier last week

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Speaker 2: or through last week, but learned more about over the

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Speaker 2: course of the weekend, and that is the deaths of

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Speaker 2: a woman and a baby in Alice Springs. We now know,

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Speaker 2: Minister Warden, you did reveal throughout the weekend that the

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Speaker 2: man who was there was in possession obviously gun. We

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Speaker 2: know that that person is also deceased and it was

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Speaker 2: found at the scene but you also revealed that it

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Speaker 2: was a fourteen week old baby that was killed.

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Speaker 1: In this instance. Many, you know, many left wondering.

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Speaker 2: I think at this point in time, after such a terrible,

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Speaker 2: terrible domestic violence incident, is what is what it appears

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Speaker 2: to be? How we make some change in this space.

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Speaker 2: We know that there was also a situation in Catherine

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Speaker 2: about a week ago as well. It's not fatality, yeah,

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Speaker 2: a terrible like a terrible tragedy. But when we talk

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Speaker 2: about domestic and family violence in the Northern Territory, it's

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Speaker 2: atrocious what's gone on.

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Speaker 4: It's absolutely heartbreaking.

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Speaker 5: Katie, and I think the figure that resonates, there's a

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Speaker 5: couple of figures that resonate really strongly with me, and

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Speaker 5: they have done for a couple of years. And in fact,

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Speaker 5: if you look over the parliamentary record for the last

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Speaker 5: couple of years, I've raised domestic and family violence as

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Speaker 5: an issue. I think at every single sittings, what's the

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Speaker 5: You know, if you five out of every six homicides

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Speaker 5: are related to Mesican.

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Speaker 4: Family violence, that's a lot.

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Speaker 5: Five out of every six if you think about that,

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Speaker 5: that's in the territory. The second statistic is you're forty

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Speaker 5: times more likely if you're a woman in the Northern

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Speaker 5: Territory to be hospitalized from domestic and family violence and

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Speaker 5: any other woman in Australia.

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Speaker 4: And I think they're the.

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Speaker 5: Really important things that we have to keep in mind

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Speaker 5: because they show you that the effect this has, the

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Speaker 5: flow on effect. It has an effect on children not

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Speaker 5: going to school, has an effect on our hospital systems

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Speaker 5: and particularly on our frontline police officers that are having

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Speaker 5: to deal with this. So if you you know sixty

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Speaker 5: eight on average callouts today for our police for domestic

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Speaker 5: and family violence in the Northern Territory, that's just not

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Speaker 5: good enough.

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Speaker 4: We've been saying it's not good enough.

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Speaker 5: But it requires a massive effort by everybody because it's

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Speaker 5: not just police.

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Speaker 4: They're the front liners.

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Speaker 5: So you have to get in and do the hard

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Speaker 5: educative work with young children. You have to do the

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Speaker 5: work for recidivus offenders, perpetrators, you have to do the

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Speaker 5: work with victim survivors, all of that stuff, and that'll

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Speaker 5: cause call no cost money. So we've been calling federally

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Speaker 5: and finally I think everybody's now talking about it, so

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Speaker 5: I want to thank everybody.

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Speaker 4: I think the local media get it.

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Speaker 5: I said that last week, But nationally we've been ignored

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Speaker 4: That occurred.

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Speaker 2: And what I found utterly astonishing is the fact that

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Speaker 1: I can't believe it, which is.

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Speaker 5: Why we stepped up and we started speaking out a

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Speaker 5: I think Katie and I said it, if that had

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Speaker 4: It just wasn't.

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Speaker 5: And it wasn't because the local media weren't reporting it.

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Speaker 5: It was because it was ignored. And I think it's

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Speaker 5: And it was really great this week because I think

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Speaker 5: it is just untenable that this continues as it has been.

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Speaker 2: Was that offender, alleged offender known to authorities.

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Speaker 5: So that information at the moment is being looked at.

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Speaker 4: My understanding is there's.

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Speaker 5: Not this great, big wrong rap sheet which we often

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Speaker 5: we're leaving the police to make that investigation because they

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Speaker 5: that's the biggest question we should ask.

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Speaker 6: But was he was he actually a licensed firearm? Horus

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Speaker 6: hold word? Was he he not licensed? Our gun was not.

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Speaker 2: Legally This is a part of the police.

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Speaker 4: They've got to do that work they.

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Speaker 1: Are And do you think though as well?

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Speaker 2: I mean, part of the discussion earlier in the week

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Speaker 2: very little detail that was known at that point in time,

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Speaker 2: and I understand that there is certainly a thorough investigation

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Speaker 2: that has to be gone through by the territory police,

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Speaker 2: but there was certainly a sense from some that information

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Speaker 1: Do you think that we need.

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Speaker 2: To come out stronger right from the get go in

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Speaker 2: a situation like this.

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Speaker 5: I think, Katie, you've got to have some precaution about presuming.

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Speaker 5: I like your choice of words, because we have to

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Speaker 5: use the words alleged all the way through. But I

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Speaker 5: think as soon as we were able to, we named

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Speaker 5: it for what it was. And you do have to

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Speaker 5: let the police do you would you would you know,

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Speaker 5: keep yourself, wouldn't you if let's say, for example, there

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Speaker 5: the police allowed to do that, and forensically, you know,

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Speaker 5: the police do their work. At the same time, when

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Speaker 5: make sure that you speak up loudly. And that's what

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Speaker 5: we've done in this instance, and we will continue to

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Speaker 5: do it. We did it last year around the lady

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Speaker 5: we called out then, but there was we didn't get

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Speaker 5: the traction there, and that was That's one of the

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Speaker 5: things that's really spurred us on this time.

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Speaker 4: We just have to keep doing it.

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Speaker 5: We have to bring our spotlight on it because otherwise

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Speaker 5: the federal government of any ILK can ignore us. And

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Speaker 5: up till now, I tell you, the previous government would

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Speaker 5: not give us needs based funding and we tried, and

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Speaker 5: we tried for a couple of years. So we have

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Speaker 5: to keep that because that's if they know that we

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Speaker 4: Katie. I'll think.

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Speaker 6: I understand the legal issues and everyone does surrounding these

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Speaker 6: It was murder suicide, bottom line. The woman in Catherine,

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Speaker 6: she was murdered. They were killed, you know, same as

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Speaker 6: you know, she was she was she was murdered. She

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Speaker 6: I think I agree with what Kate's saying and other

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Speaker 6: people have said it too. Is I feel and I

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Speaker 5: Well look at.

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Speaker 6: Domestic my feeling from the southern world. There was that

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Speaker 6: that was another case of and that was that was

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Speaker 6: it's everyone knows it was port Headlen, evern knows three

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Speaker 6: in Canada and America's there's been a case recently of siblings,

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Speaker 6: the press all around the country. But because I get,

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Speaker 6: doesn't seem it's not good enough as you suggest.

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Speaker 3: It's just been going up and up and up, you know,

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Speaker 3: I know labor had to check them for a while,

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Speaker 3: but it needs to be a biparlisan approach. Domestic violence

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Speaker 3: is a scourge across all our all communities and it

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Speaker 3: needs to be fixed. And it's just unfortunately it's been

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Speaker 3: also a bit worried about where the alcohol is now

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Speaker 3: going to be available in some of these abrigal communities.

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Speaker 3: There's been fifteen odd years of no alcohol and the

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Speaker 3: consultation is going what's going on, we don't really know.

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Speaker 3: But what I'm concerned about is that these communities have

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Speaker 3: known about this for the for the last ten years.

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Speaker 3: This was going to stop the federal We know it's

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Speaker 3: federal government legislation, but all these little things out up

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Speaker 3: because the bottom line is a domestic violence who has

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Speaker 3: been increasing and it's getting worse.

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Speaker 2: Well. It is something that we've spoken to since John

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Speaker 2: those communities. As I understand that there was only seven

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Speaker 1: So far there's a decided to talk out.

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Speaker 5: I know that are looking at it, but we've also

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Speaker 5: got to remember that an awful lot of places when

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Speaker 4: To being dry.

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Speaker 5: I think there's a couple of bits of information that

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Speaker 5: and I think it's great that people like John Patterson

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Speaker 4: He's not living an Elliott.

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Speaker 5: We have seen successive governments, you know, make decisions for

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Speaker 1: Well, they're consecutive.

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Speaker 4: Have all said no, we want to control it ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Well, it is just twenty minutes after nine o'clock if

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Speaker 1: We then caught up with the.

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Speaker 1: But I tell you what I mean.

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Speaker 2: If this isn't the lightning rod that we need to

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Speaker 1: It was terrible, ya, Katie.

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Speaker 3: Look, territory is are living in fear and unfortunately this

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Speaker 3: You know, there was knives, there was yelling, there's screaming,

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Speaker 4: We know that.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a good drive market and right now

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Speaker 2: I actually had a taxi driver contact us through the

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Speaker 1: They were at Wilworth's that that day.

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Speaker 2: Apparently whenever think it unfolded and they decided to end

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Speaker 5: Earlier in the year, you know, we had up to

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Speaker 4: Reasons are they've come in from where they are.

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Speaker 5: I think there's certainly an element of urban drift, which

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Speaker 5: But we've seen that big disturbance also out at what recently.

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Speaker 5: So I can tell you that in response to what

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Speaker 4: And I think one of the things.

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Speaker 5: I heard yesterday excuse me, I heard them that that

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Speaker 4: Police if they might not be able to respond immediately.

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Speaker 5: But if they then determine let's say that Wilworth's hot

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Speaker 5: there's things going on.

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Speaker 4: Police can get in early and disburse people.

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Speaker 5: We are working on a longer term way of trying

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Speaker 2: So what is being done right now to try and

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Speaker 5: Territorized work that's happening out at Wadire to fix the

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Speaker 4: The housing that's been constructed in what it's all.

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Speaker 5: You know, people are living on top of each other

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Speaker 4: It's never a small enough thing. Please call it in.

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Speaker 2: You have people ringing us saying that it in and

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Speaker 6: They're trying to because I've got people I know who

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Speaker 6: the authorities can only act when they've got evidence. You

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Speaker 6: can't just say social media is not social media's useful

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Speaker 6: for not factual evidence.

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Speaker 2: I feel as though we've reached a point at the moment,

447
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Speaker 2: because you know, there's obviously the situation that unfolded at

448
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Speaker 2: the Woolworths in the city, but then we also had

449
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Speaker 2: a situation in Catherine yesterday or the day before where

450
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Speaker 2: some kids were chased by a man unknown to them

451
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Speaker 2: with a knife. A statement came out from the police

452
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Speaker 2: on that one. We also saw in Alice Springs police

453
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Speaker 2: arrested a man who allegedly seriously assaulted a woman before

454
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Speaker 2: stripping naked and damaging a taxi in Alice Springs on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: We've also seen, you know, the vision that's come out

456
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Speaker 2: of you know, without going into specifics, people stripping naked

457
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Speaker 2: in our city, you know.

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Speaker 1: And and Katie, you've got.

459
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Speaker 4: To just stand it.

460
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Speaker 5: Than people living rough and antisocial behavior, that's people with

461
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Speaker 5: significant mental health.

462
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Speaker 2: But Kate, it's also if they've got significant mental health

463
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Speaker 2: problems and they're on the streets of Darwin. It's actually

464
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Speaker 2: a dangerous situation for everybody.

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Speaker 5: Need to make an intervention for those people. But we

466
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Speaker 5: also have and we are the first government that's ever

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Speaker 5: done it. We've also got the facilities out at Baton

468
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Speaker 5: Road which is a wrap around service with Mission Australia

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Speaker 5: to address such issues and get people into.

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Speaker 1: We've got everything that we need. Why are we still

471
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Speaker 1: seeing the issues because people to people, we had a situation.

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Speaker 4: So there's been a surge again of people coming in.

473
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Speaker 5: We've had the displacement out of what A and I

474
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Speaker 5: think we need to make sure that we not only

475
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Speaker 5: do the pointy end stuff which the police are doing

476
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Speaker 5: an amazing job of doing and picking up people and

477
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Speaker 5: solving crimes as they happen.

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Speaker 4: I see them every day, the amount of work that

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Speaker 4: they do.

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, you've got to look at

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Speaker 5: those social factors and we're doing that way. Well.

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Speaker 2: The kids just message through and said Katie. I can

483
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Speaker 2: hear the Alice Springs residents from here screaming at the

484
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Speaker 2: radio that the behavior at all words in Darwin is

485
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Speaker 2: an everyday event in their town. Action is required now.

486
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Speaker 2: And look, I think that that's what I'm getting at,

487
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Speaker 2: is that, you know, the the incident in our CBD

488
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Speaker 2: is I think it's a lightning rod for all of us.

489
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Speaker 2: We go, holy moly, this is not behavior that anybody

490
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Speaker 2: should be should be accepting. And I think we can

491
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Speaker 2: all agree in this studio that none of us accepted.

492
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Speaker 2: But we have also got a situation where it's certainly

493
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Speaker 2: not isolated. You know, we had business owners in our

494
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Speaker 2: CBD meeting late yesterday to discuss this very incident and

495
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Speaker 2: discuss this very issue. While that was happening, somebody had

496
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Speaker 2: to be apprehended by the police across the world. You

497
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Speaker 2: know why that was happening, But we've also got the case,

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Speaker 2: you know, in Alice Springs. Where as I'm saying, you know,

499
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Speaker 2: this is this sort of thing, all this anti social

500
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Speaker 2: behavior is happening on the regular, how can you expect

501
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Speaker 2: to become our population or or you know, really try

502
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Speaker 2: to make this place the beautiful place that we.

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Speaker 4: All all love.

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Speaker 5: And Katie, I can respond directly on the other Spring stuff.

505
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Speaker 5: So we've been working really hard over the lot well

506
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Speaker 5: since I became the police Minister on perhaps trying to tackle.

507
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Speaker 4: That in a new way.

508
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Speaker 5: So as of next week, we've got a very senior

509
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Speaker 5: person leading up whole body of new workdown in Ourice Spring.

510
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Speaker 5: And that's probably as much as I'll say about it today,

511
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Speaker 5: but we are I've been acutely aware of issues in

512
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Speaker 5: Alice Springs and watch them over a while. But now

513
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Speaker 5: that I have both portfolios, I have now put the

514
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Speaker 5: police and the youth justice teams together. That co location

515
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Speaker 5: and cooperation of those two areas will take a little

516
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Speaker 5: time to bed down, but they will be able to

517
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Speaker 5: do earlier interventions with families with young people that are

518
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Speaker 5: going off. We've done that in Alice and we're doing

519
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Speaker 5: it up here out.

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Speaker 4: Of the Nightcliff Police Station.

521
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Speaker 5: So they're two straight away things I've been able to

522
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Speaker 5: do with the talk portfolios, and now I'm going to

523
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Speaker 5: I'm leading a new approach in Ola Springs. And one

524
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Speaker 5: of the other things in Alice Springs is that I've

525
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Speaker 5: been speaking to Priscilla and she doesn't mind me saying

526
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Speaker 5: it publicly. Out of Naga, we are going to call

527
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Speaker 5: together the vulnerable families out of Alice Springs in order

528
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Speaker 5: to hear what they're saying and to say, well, you know,

529
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Speaker 5: what sort of supports do you need, How can we

530
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Speaker 5: better support you?

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Speaker 4: And what job are you going to do? What i

532
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Speaker 4: you going to do about your kids?

533
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Speaker 5: Because seriously, in other springs, we never hear the voices

534
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Speaker 5: of the family. We keep talking about them, and we

535
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Speaker 5: keep saying we're going to do this and that to

536
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Speaker 5: them family.

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Speaker 4: The agreements, but what are they doing?

538
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Speaker 5: So Narger have pleasingly said that they're really happy to

539
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Speaker 5: help us and support us, and we'll and lead that peace.

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Speaker 5: So that will be I'm asked for that those two

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Speaker 5: pieces of work to be done urgently, and Alice and

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Speaker 5: I have lots more to say about in the next

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Speaker 5: couple of weeks, but.

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Speaker 3: Meeting yesterday where you said there was more any social behavior,

545
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Speaker 3: and I understand there was a lot of people there

546
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Speaker 3: and some frustration. And this is an example. I understand

547
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Speaker 3: no government ministers turned up at all, so this is

548
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Speaker 3: an exacting There was people there talking about what's going on,

549
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Speaker 3: and yet no one from the government. We did we

550
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Speaker 3: people was on the radio. So did you show the

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Speaker 3: government that I was actually.

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Speaker 2: On my My understanding is that John who owns who

553
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Speaker 2: called that meeting from John John said he'd certainly been

554
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Speaker 2: in contact with Minister Kirby's office, is my understanding.

555
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Speaker 1: And I want to get bombed down here because I

556
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Speaker 1: actually think that this is so okay.

557
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Speaker 6: Many years ago, when it was a labor government and

558
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Speaker 6: they because Combat Scallus was the health minister, they wanted

559
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Speaker 6: to put a secure care facility down in bees Creek

560
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Speaker 6: and we objected and we had I was supposed to

561
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Speaker 6: call a win, and con was very concerned that people

562
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Speaker 6: hadn't been consulted and hadn't been explained properly. So background

563
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Speaker 6: then a secure care facility went to Foundation Road, which

564
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Speaker 6: is just before the level Male. My point is, if

565
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Speaker 6: there are people who are obviously got mental health issues,

566
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Speaker 6: clearly mental health issues. Why hasn't that? And I know

567
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Speaker 6: the secure care facility is still their foundation road. I

568
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Speaker 6: don't know if there's it's in Jerry's elect I don't

569
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Speaker 6: know if there's any people residing in it or been

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Speaker 6: cared for.

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Speaker 3: But if there are.

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Speaker 6: People who are clearly unbalanced, mental deficiencies, mental health problems,

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Speaker 6: doesn't matter who or where they are, why are they

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Speaker 6: not being basically rounded up, assessed and decided yes, you

575
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Speaker 6: need a bit of care, you need to live in

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Speaker 6: this facility for a period of time. Because I know

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Speaker 6: it's there, and it's probably partially empty.

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Speaker 4: So that's not it's actually a used facility.

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Speaker 1: Is it used?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely?

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Speaker 6: But why isn't there another facility if it's clearly a

582
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Speaker 6: mental health issue not a physical issue that you know,

583
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Speaker 6: they're not starving, they're not macated.

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Speaker 5: That courts actually do determine that around people and they

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Speaker 5: manage through the county ward And.

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Speaker 6: No, no, not county ward is just where they have

587
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Speaker 6: to reside.

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Speaker 4: For a period of time.

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Speaker 1: You have to get or that you would.

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Speaker 6: Have should be getting caught and well there is a

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Speaker 6: process for that.

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Speaker 2: Look, I do want to before we move along, I

593
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Speaker 2: actually want to talk about the fact as well. With

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Speaker 2: part of all of this discussion is, you know, the

595
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Speaker 2: alcohol issues that we are saying now. We spoke to

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Speaker 2: the territory police last week. I think it would have

597
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Speaker 2: been we spoke further about alcohol police.

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Speaker 1: Well, well that's you know, that is a good question.

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Speaker 2: But you know, they had spoken about the fact that

600
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Speaker 2: they feel as though they.

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Speaker 1: Can't arrest their way out of this. I get that.

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Speaker 2: I get that we've got CCTV for the CCTV now

603
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Speaker 2: and they're people monitoring that CCTV to make sure that

604
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Speaker 2: there are certain things that are not happening not only

605
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Speaker 2: in our CBD, but also in Ollie Springs and other locations.

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Speaker 2: But the real argument from a lot of people and

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Speaker 2: a lot of territories. The lord mayors come out and

608
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Speaker 2: said it, as have others, is that police presence and

609
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Speaker 2: police on their segways, police in the streets. That visibility

610
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Speaker 2: of police does make a huge difference. Kate, as the

611
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Speaker 2: Minister for Police, are we going to see more police

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Speaker 2: on our streets to try to combat some of these issues.

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Speaker 4: So we have.

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Speaker 5: Obviously increased police numbers significantly over our term, and I

615
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Speaker 5: have had these discussions in the last couple of weeks

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Speaker 5: and I in fact, I was out at the Royal

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Speaker 5: Show and I chatted to the guys on segways.

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Speaker 4: Out there because they were at.

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Speaker 5: The show on the segways and discussed that very point

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Speaker 5: about getting them back out and I have asked.

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Speaker 4: For that to happen. I want them to be visible.

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Speaker 6: But obviously what about police on horses they used to

623
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Speaker 6: be in the city know that act.

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Speaker 5: I think I saw the police on horse down at

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Speaker 5: Katheen and spoke to them there about the fact that

626
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Speaker 5: they still do that.

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Speaker 4: It's certainly something I can ask.

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Speaker 6: I haven't seen them for a long time and they

629
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Speaker 6: did do not only just.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and we do have city Safe patrols going through

631
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Speaker 5: that is in combination with the City of Darwin. Although

632
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Speaker 5: I think that we pay for them predominantly they like it,

633
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Speaker 5: but they don't want to have to.

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Speaker 4: Pay for it.

635
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Speaker 5: So you know, that's a long tradition between governments and

636
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Speaker 5: local governments those sorts of arrangements. But we are doing

637
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Speaker 5: everything that we can. But as I would say, Katie,

638
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 5: it's really important. The police do do a lot of

639
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Speaker 5: arrests and as they say, they can't rest their way

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Speaker 5: out of it. This is a generational issue and we

641
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Speaker 5: are putting everything in place that we can to try

642
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Speaker 5: and not just work with.

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Speaker 4: The current group.

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Speaker 5: Can I just it'd be interesting, I just because this

645
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Speaker 5: is a good show for putting these things out. At

646
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Speaker 5: this we're seeing the tail end of the baby bonus here.

647
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Speaker 5: And what I can say is that people don't have

648
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Speaker 5: a talk about long game politics. But you know, Jared,

649
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Speaker 5: you know, you and I both in and at different

650
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Speaker 5: times we might be in governments and stuff and we

651
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Speaker 5: make decisions. That's one of the things that's come to

652
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Speaker 5: me as a government minister about making decisions.

653
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Speaker 4: You must make a decision and think ahead.

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Speaker 5: And I think that the consequences of and it was

655
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Speaker 5: a John Howard decision around baby bonuses to pay people

656
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Speaker 5: have kids.

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Speaker 4: You can see now that a lot of people and possibly.

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Speaker 5: All the wrong people had not all the wrong people,

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Speaker 5: but you know, it was about population growth at the time,

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Speaker 5: and I remember it well because about you know, a

661
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Speaker 5: year with one of my children.

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Speaker 4: About getting it.

663
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Speaker 5: But you know, people got six thousand dollars I think

664
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Speaker 5: a time per child, and you've got big families. It

665
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Speaker 5: did address population growth, but you also had people that

666
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Speaker 5: don't have those skills through territory families. We spent a

667
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Speaker 5: lot of time investing skills. But this is a really

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Speaker 5: good lesson in policy making and making sure that you

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Speaker 5: tailor it and think about the longevity of policies, a

670
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Speaker 5: bit like the intervention.

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Speaker 4: What happens in fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, one other thing I do want to ask

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Speaker 2: about before we move on is this two kilometer rule. Now.

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Speaker 2: I know that Jered Mayley, you were yesterday saying that

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Speaker 2: the laws making it an offense to consume liquor in

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Speaker 2: public within that two kilometers of a licensed premises must

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Speaker 2: be reinstated. Now, we spoke about this back in May.

678
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Speaker 2: I believe it was after I'd spoken to the hospitality

679
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Speaker 2: CEO about it through the week, and then Natasha Files

680
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Speaker 2: before becoming the Chief Minister, was in the studio for

681
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Speaker 2: the week that was and we spoke about it. Now,

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Speaker 2: my understanding is that that two kilometer radius rule is

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Speaker 2: still in place, but if somebody is drinking, the only

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Speaker 2: measure that can be utilized is that they can get

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Speaker 2: they can destroy the alcohol.

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Speaker 3: Essentually, I can explain you've hit the nail on head.

687
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Speaker 3: The two kilmer laws still exists, but the only remedy

688
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Speaker 3: the police can do is tip out the alcohol. What

689
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Speaker 3: we're saying is what the coop want to do. Case

690
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Speaker 3: remember in two thousand and nine and the labor government

691
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Speaker 3: cut this out so to make it an offense where

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Speaker 3: the police can arrest if they want to. But we're

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Speaker 3: talking about being a deterrent. The people go out there,

694
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Speaker 3: they tip out the alcohol and then they walk off

695
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Speaker 3: and they know they can't do any thing about it.

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Speaker 3: The police are What we want to do is given

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Speaker 3: another tool in the toolbox to be able to not

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Speaker 3: arrest everyone, but if there's a person doing it constantly,

699
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Speaker 3: to give them the power to go and make it

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Speaker 3: a to terrance, so you don't go and drink in

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Speaker 3: a public place and make it, get it arrested, give

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Speaker 3: them a fine and get them off the street. Because

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Speaker 3: if alcohol fueled anti social behavior is going through the roof,

704
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: people just are sick of it and what you see,

705
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Speaker 3: what you accept, and it's time to do something about it.

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Speaker 3: Labor government have changed all we want to bring it

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Speaker 3: back because territory are telling us that they're sick of

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Speaker 3: alcohol field and sol behavior right across the tenter.

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Speaker 5: So I think that that's you know, it's a good point,

710
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Speaker 5: but that you know, Darwin Palmerston, but they're all dry areas.

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Speaker 5: We've actually done more. It's beyond that. And yes police

712
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Speaker 5: can pour it out.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing in the city to put it

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Speaker 1: really bluntly.

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Speaker 5: Because there's a market happening, Katie, and I think that

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Speaker 5: that's a huge amount of business.

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Speaker 3: It needs to happen so terror to stop these people drinking,

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Speaker 3: so and go to.

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Speaker 6: The seconds finds for the bootleggers need to be excessive.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what for this?

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Speaker 2: If you're not actually supposed to be drinking in the CBD,

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Speaker 2: then what are people drinking there?

723
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Speaker 3: And because they know there's no deterrent, they know they

724
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Speaker 3: don't get into trouble that you get tipped down and

725
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Speaker 3: they go buy some more.

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Speaker 4: Here's the point, Katie.

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Speaker 5: Our jails get full with people on fines and that

728
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Speaker 5: is a reason. People that are vulnerable, people that need

729
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Speaker 5: a different response, and that is about getting them off

730
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Speaker 5: our street and back to their communities or into some

731
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Speaker 5: help around homelessness.

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Speaker 4: Giving people fines and chucking them in.

733
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Speaker 3: And giving a community service in the streets.

734
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Speaker 5: What about a community service where we do do commmunity service,

735
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Speaker 5: make them going to do something they can actually not

736
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Speaker 5: just put them in jails.

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Speaker 3: Don't accept that kind of work. We give them a fine,

738
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Speaker 3: that don't will community service. Go find they're going to

739
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Speaker 3: do community service.

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Speaker 4: They do do community.

741
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Speaker 3: Were not working because right now, if you get caught

742
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 3: drinking in public, you can't get community service. Call you

743
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: get our cool tipped out. That's it. So there's no

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Speaker 3: community service.

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Speaker 5: So you want to make it completely illegal for somebody

746
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Speaker 5: that can't pay a fine to be fine, and then

747
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Speaker 5: they've got and then you.

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Speaker 3: Come I think community So I think what.

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Speaker 2: He's saying, and I think the point that does need

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Speaker 2: to be made is there does actually need to be

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Speaker 2: a deterrent.

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Speaker 3: For people if they're drinking.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is to that. I

754
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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 5: Alcohol, and they can still tip it out and I'll

756
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Speaker 5: tell you if you are an alcoholic and the police

757
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Speaker 5: come on and take away.

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Speaker 4: And this is the point the secondary currency.

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Speaker 5: Really let's ask the community if you know where secondary

760
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Speaker 5: supply is coming from, then please let the police know.

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Speaker 4: That's really really.

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Speaker 5: Important because when I talk, when we've been talking about

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Speaker 5: stronger futures, and we did just a moment ago, if

764
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Speaker 5: anybody thinks that there was not drinking going on in

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Speaker 5: places like the other Springstown camps when they were dry,

766
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Speaker 5: or any of those other places.

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Speaker 4: They're kidding themselves. I've spoken to the police in the Berkley.

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Speaker 5: They're not actually overly concerned about Elliott not being dry anymore.

769
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Speaker 5: What they're concerned about is what they've been concerned about

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Speaker 5: for a long time, and that's.

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Speaker 4: Black market drug boot alcohol, bootlegging.

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Speaker 5: Over the borders for me side, because they've got porous borders.

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Speaker 4: They are very very strong indict things that we need.

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Speaker 3: To do something about it much rather put money.

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Speaker 2: We need to do something and so that we are

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Speaker 2: going to take a very short break.

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Speaker 1: If you've just joined us.

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Speaker 2: We've got Jered Maley, Kate Warden and Keesy Epiric in

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Speaker 2: the studio this morning.

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Speaker 1: Now, I do want to talk about.

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Speaker 2: Well, the situation that we now find ourselves in with

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Speaker 2: a by election in the seat of Fanny Bay. The

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Speaker 2: date's been set for August twenty after the former Chief Minister,

784
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: well Michael Gunner stood down. He stood down obviously as

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Speaker 2: the Chief Minister a couple of months ago and then it.

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Speaker 6: Never been seen since I'll let you say that, yes,

787
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Speaker 6: messages do his risk assessment when he was on that

788
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Speaker 6: cattle prop.

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Speaker 1: No idea, no idea.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, however you look at it, well he is

791
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Speaker 2: he stood down. At what it means is there's going

792
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Speaker 2: to be a by election. I think this is going

793
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Speaker 2: to be an incredibly interesting by election.

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Speaker 1: Yes, for a number of reasons.

795
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Speaker 2: Now, firstly, it's going to depend who both party are

796
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Speaker 2: pre selects, and that's going.

797
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Speaker 1: To have a huge part to play.

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Speaker 2: But I also think you know it's going it is

799
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 2: going to be a bit of a test for Lea

800
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Speaker 2: Finocchio's leadership in the fact that.

801
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Speaker 6: And Natasha Files I think, yeah both, I wouldn't just

802
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 6: target the seal pizza test.

803
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Speaker 1: For both leaders Yep.

804
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 6: To see very similar reasons and also very different reasons.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely So. It is going to be a fascinating

806
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: one to observe. If you're a political observer like me

807
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: and totally uninvolved in any way.

808
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Speaker 4: I'm not going to get you on the Doge game anyway.

809
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to find out what everybody's talking about.

810
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: I think I can guess.

811
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Speaker 5: Michael's been in that seat for I think sixteen years.

812
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 5: I've been working alongside Michael, I think for about twenty

813
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 5: I had to think a lot the other day about

814
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 5: casting my mind back about, you know, first working with

815
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 5: him in jack our Kits office.

816
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 4: You know, he'd been a man for a long time.

817
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 5: He has put his heart and soul into Fanny Bay,

818
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 5: and I know that when I came on as a

819
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 5: local member, I've sort of looked at Michael in the

820
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 5: way he's been, you know, with the people of Fanny

821
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 5: Bay and very personal.

822
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: I think in the territory we've only got just over

823
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 4: five and a half thousand.

824
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 5: People electric per electorate that vote. That's not all of

825
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 5: you've got. You know, you've got people that can't vote

826
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 5: in your electrics as well. But you know that he's

827
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 5: been one on one with.

828
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 4: A lot of people there.

829
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 5: He knows he's been working with the Perrap business people

830
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 5: for a long time. He's done some great changes through

831
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 5: the schools in his whole electorate. He's he's achieved some

832
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 5: really good things. I mean, just look back at Kringle Flats.

833
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 5: I was working in housing, and before my time in housing,

834
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 5: I remember there was some terrible incidents of anti social

835
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 5: behavior actually in Kringle over a long time that triggered

836
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 5: the you know, the end of Karingle, and he's really

837
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 5: gone on and developed redeveloped lots of really good work.

838
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Speaker 3: In that area, the roof at the moment, lots of things.

839
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: There's been lots of labor failures in.

840
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: Anyway, This isn't how, This isn't who are you going

841
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: to vote for?

842
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: For the Labor I just one know who's running.

843
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 6: The other thing that will be critical in the outcome

844
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 6: of this by election is clearly that major parties CLP,

845
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 6: AOP will have candidates. But I think you'll find the

846
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 6: Greens will put up a very good candidate because there's

847
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 6: got a bit of a green underbelly in the Sea

848
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 6: of Fanny Bay, like Nightcliff, and I think a lot

849
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 6: of people who aspire to becoming a local member like Independence,

850
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 6: will put their hand up. And then of course you'll

851
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 6: get a few the nutters that put their hand up

852
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 6: on a regular basis, and it doesn't matter where the

853
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 6: seat is. But the critical thing will be the preferences.

854
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 6: That's assuming that both major parties have a good candidate

855
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 6: and they both poll well, Green's preferences tend to go

856
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 6: to the Labor Party, so the cop are going to

857
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 6: have to poll exceptionally.

858
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: Well, it's almost two one.

859
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 6: To stay ahead, to stay ahead of Labor, because if

860
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 6: the preference flow is right, it normally does in most

861
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 6: of our nightclists in particulars it is always has a

862
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 6: high Green vote.

863
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: The preferences from Greens tend.

864
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Speaker 6: To go to Labor. So it's going to be critical

865
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 6: for both major parties is to have really good candidates,

866
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Speaker 6: well known and strong campaigns.

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Speaker 1: Who are you tipping here that that's going to run off?

868
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Speaker 6: I guess I already told my tip because this is

869
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 6: the fellow I don't know personally. Ed Smelto's the counselor,

870
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 6: because Michael Gunner came out front and center in the

871
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 6: last council elections supporting him, promoting him. You know, Red

872
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 6: T Shirt Brigade were there for him, and.

873
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 4: He's actually just a down good but I can.

874
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: Say he's a CEP. I haven't got anyone, And if

875
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 3: you're interested in running for the seal, deprecation is.

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Speaker 1: Open right now.

877
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: It's going to clothes on Sunday, contact contract if you

878
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Speaker 3: want to run.

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00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 4: He's got no one.

880
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: Somebody yesterday so I got told that Ben Hosking was

881
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 2: out door knocking yesterday.

882
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: Kotkey jaw.

883
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Speaker 3: So ultimately we've got a lot of people applying, but

884
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Speaker 3: we want more reply.

885
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: I forget you either.

886
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: I've also been told that the Labor Party that's there's

887
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: a bit of a well there is somebody who's working

888
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: in Nicole Madison's office.

889
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 4: Democracy.

890
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 5: So we've opened pre selections. They do close I think

891
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 5: later today because we've had time for a left three weeks,

892
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 5: isn't it So yeah, but I think Katie's going to

893
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 5: I and I don't know the smell man.

894
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 6: Good luck for m if he wants to.

895
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 4: Do that good people but needs a lot of interesting

896
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 4: It's going to.

897
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 6: Come down to a very good type campaign by the.

898
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 4: Major campaign with my tip.

899
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 6: My tip is the COLP is in the running to

900
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 6: take it because, as you've said before, Jared, the policies

901
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 6: and the and the social upheaval that not only just

902
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 6: the seat of Fanny Bay and all the other parts

903
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 6: of the you know that electric, but elsewhere in the territory.

904
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 6: And I think people take a by election to send

905
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 6: a message. The daily one was a bit of an

906
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 6: anomaly in my view, but people take the opportunity when

907
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 6: there's a by election to send a strong message to

908
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 6: the sitting government, so you know, it'll be interesting to

909
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: see how you go.

910
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 3: Social behavior is going to be very front end, so.

911
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: I'll be watching very closely do everything that's.

912
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: An unfold lived in that seat government.

913
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: We are going to have to take a very short break.

914
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four nine. It

915
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 2: is just six minutes away from ten o'clock. But before

916
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 2: we wrap up this morning, I do definitely want to

917
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 2: take a look at these diesel and unleaded prices now,

918
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 2: just to take you across and to take the panel

919
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 2: across as well, to have a look at the terminal

920
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: gate price in Darwin today for your unleaded it's sitting

921
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: at a dollar sixty point one, so that's at the

922
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: terminal gate. It continues to go down, so Monday this

923
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: week it was at a dollar sixty three. When you

924
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: go across to the Bowser Well one locations at a

925
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: dollar ninety three. All of the others are at a

926
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: dollar ninety nine. So I'll just let you ponder that

927
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: that gap there.

928
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: Those margins.

929
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: Now, let me take you across to the terminal gate

930
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: price for your diesel today in Darwin a dollar eighty

931
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: five point six. On Monday, it was at a dollar

932
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 2: ninety two. Those prices continue to go down at the

933
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 2: terminal gate. Now when you go across to the Bowser

934
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: the Fairest, you'll find it about two dollars nineteen. It

935
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: then goes up to two dollars twenty five, all the

936
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: way up to two dollars twenty nine. Now, what I

937
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: will say is that over the course of the week

938
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: we have been banging on about this, those prices have

939
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 2: gone down probably about four.

940
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: Cents over the course of the week.

941
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: Now, as you can hear, those margins are massive. Now,

942
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: I did have one of the smaller retailers contact.

943
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: Me through the week. They're an independent retailer.

944
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 2: They didn't tell me which one, but essentially they said

945
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: that they've got to add transport onto their costs because

946
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: they have to purchase their petrol from one of the

947
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: larger retail or one of the larger companies is my understanding.

948
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: But you know, these prices.

949
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: We're meant to have a fuel excise in place of

950
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: twenty two cents, and they're still that high.

951
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: I said it during the week.

952
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:54,919
Speaker 2: I reckon, we need to do what New Zealand did

953
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: about a week ago. Their Prime Minister Jacindra Adurn came

954
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: out really strong and said these spectral companies need to

955
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: please explain their margins.

956
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 3: Katie. What we did the COLP this week in Parlam

957
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: we gave notice that we're going to introduce a bill

958
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: called Fuel Price Disclosure Bill, which is essentially going to

959
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: force the fuel retails to disclose their profits because there

960
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: is what forty cents odd difference between when you buy

961
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: it and when you sell it, and ultimately in the

962
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: ACE Triple C said if that information is disclosed, it

963
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: may force those companies to bring down fuel costs. Because

964
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: we know that the territory has got the worst performing economy.

965
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 3: Delights have told us the Jine Report concepts come out

966
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: the fifteenth I think quarter will last. So we're our

967
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,959
Speaker 3: cost of living here in the territory is over the top.

968
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 3: We've got the charity of distance as well, because people

969
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: got to drive a long way, specially in the rural

970
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: area to go shopping. So every little cent makes a difference.

971
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: So that's what the COLP doing about it. We kind

972
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: of try and get this to bring fuel prices down

973
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: because it's hurting a lot of territorium.

974
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 5: Do you think that Katie that there is a lot

975
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 5: of factors in here. I would welcome the a Triple C,

976
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 5: and I think they've threatened it before and it be

977
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 5: really I would welcome the coming in and actually doing

978
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 5: an investigation. And because they've actually got an impromata to

979
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 5: do that, it would be awesome if they did.

980
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 2: There's nothing stopping our Chief Minister from sending a letter

981
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: to these spectral companies and saying, please explain it.

982
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 4: This has been done actually well.

983
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 5: So one of the issues in the Northern Territory is

984
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 5: much more complex than just to straightforward make sure you

985
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 5: tell us you know you're actually biting the people at

986
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 5: the end that are trying.

987
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 4: To obviously make a living try.

988
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 5: Absolutely so are we, but we have one fuel distributor

989
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 5: in the Northern Territory who makes it very tricky. We

990
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 5: also have a lag and I was listening yesterday to

991
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 5: somebody on radio talking nationally. One of the biggest issues

992
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 5: we've got, and it's totally uncontrollable, is about.

993
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 4: What's going on overseas that's influencing this.

994
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 5: But I do think, you know, a Triple C has

995
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 5: the power to do exactly what Jared is saying, come

996
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 5: in and talk to those and I was the chair

997
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 5: of the Public Accounts Committee. We did an investigation. We

998
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 5: bought all the fuel companies in we investigated all of

999
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 5: the information that they gave us.

1000
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 4: Around where they were.

1001
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 5: The one thing that worries me is that so many

1002
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 5: of those fuel prices are exactly the same.

1003
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 1: That's exactly this is what I'm saying, A.

1004
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: Triple see your website.

1005
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 5: So the A triple C actually has a role to

1006
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 5: play in collusion. So that says to me that if

1007
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 5: you're saying it's one ninety nine zero point five as

1008
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 5: you can see on your screen, then that ultimately that

1009
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 5: needs to be investigated.

1010
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: So but wait for the A triple C.

1011
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: Let's you know, we don't even hate to go the

1012
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: whole of the immediate counters of the legislation. Yeah, but

1013
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: those chief ministers sitting up power to make the power though.

1014
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: To ask them to please explain why.

1015
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: The processes talking about is that forty cent difference? So

1016
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 3: you know, we're not talking about overseas. You know what

1017
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 3: the market is. But what's saying when you buy it

1018
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,479
Speaker 3: and then you sell it and you make forty cents

1019
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: profit per leader, and that's not including we've still got

1020
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 3: the exercise, you know, dealing later on. So what about

1021
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 3: that right now? That's about something the territory government can

1022
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 3: deal with right now if they want to do that,

1023
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 3: if they had their political will, which obviously they don't.

1024
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 4: You had a couple on there that are lower than others.

1025
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I'd be.

1026
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: Very happy they haven't been that much lower throughout the week.

1027
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: They might be today a couple of them are cent

1028
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: or two. Do you know what it's It's hardly worth

1029
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 2: people's while in some cases striving.

1030
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 5: So my thing is, I think the Age triople c

1031
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 5: needs to come in. They've already got the legislation that

1032
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 5: allows them to do it. They should come in and

1033
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 5: ask for a please explain and make sure there's no

1034
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 5: collusion going on, which when you see all those prices

1035
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 5: are exactly the same, they absolutely have a role to

1036
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 5: play this.

1037
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 6: People tend to think of fuel prices and adding the

1038
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 6: cost to you know, the things that we humans consume,

1039
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 6: But it goes across the board and a lot of

1040
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 6: people aren't, you know, like steal for example, and transportation

1041
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 6: and house buildings. Even the contractors who sell hay for stock,

1042
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 6: like I get the large roll bales of hay, which

1043
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 6: tews you about. They vary from seventy five to eighty

1044
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 6: dollars a bail. They're those massive ones and Jared knows

1045
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 6: about them. And I got to order in the last

1046
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 6: week and the fallacy. Look, I'm really sorry, but I

1047
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 6: have to put them up to eighty five, he said,

1048
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 6: because specifically because of fuel. So that goes across the community.

1049
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 6: People don't see that, but it goes across all the

1050
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 6: race industry, truck trucking.

1051
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 3: The past. Can I ask the question before we go?

1052
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 5: Just like on Wednesday the CLP said they were going

1053
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 5: to introduce this bill and on Thursday there was no bill.

1054
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 4: So where's we're.

1055
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 3: Going to introduce it? Just like normal sittings when.

1056
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 5: Somewhere a process or you would normally introduce it on

1057
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 5: Thursday and we haven't seen it anyway, So your flag

1058
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 5: that hasn't happened. I think the age Triple ce can

1059
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 5: come in straight away and do something.

1060
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: So well, is the government going to right to the

1061
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 1: triple to ask them to do that.

1062
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 4: I can do that tomorrow to make sure that we

1063
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 4: invite them in.

1064
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 5: And I think there was they did talk about doing something,

1065
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 5: so maybe they have already got something in hand, having

1066
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 5: had a lot of experience in here in this space

1067
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 5: around the Public Accounts Committee.

1068
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 4: It's not as easy as you know them profiteering. There's

1069
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 4: lots of layers.

1070
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 5: And you know, we do have a price leg so

1071
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 5: the people that the one distributor here buys it a

1072
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 5: certain price and they have to get all of that

1073
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 5: out of about.

1074
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: We did speak to a to an expert in this

1075
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: space earlier in the week and he said that the

1076
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 2: lag that is happening at the moment, explained, it's too long.

1077
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: And that's where I reckon.

1078
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: If you're able to write to the a trible c

1079
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: and ask them to have a look into it, but

1080
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: I think as well even asking them to you know,

1081
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 2: if there are reasons for this.

1082
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: Then I'm all is.

1083
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: But at the moment, you know, it's a really big

1084
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: gap and I think that that territories do deserve the

1085
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: right to know what those reasons are.

1086
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: But that's it.

1087
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 4: We've run out of time.

1088
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: We've actually run over time.

1089
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: Have you all in the studio? Jared Bailey, the Deputy

1090
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 2: Opposition Leader, and thank you. Kate Warden, the Member for

1091
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: Sanderson and also the Police Minister and Minister for domestic

1092
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: and family violence and plenty.

1093
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: Of other poros prevention and Jill Price is of you

1094
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: the one thing to say.

1095
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 6: Remember last year and I said these visitors came to

1096
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 6: stay and they wouldn't.

1097
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: Go away back again.

1098
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: They're still here.

1099
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 6: They've come back, family, Lynn and Mail. They've come back.

1100
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 6: They call Boomerang kids. Can't keep them away.

1101
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 4: Enjoy. We are going to have to.

1102
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: Leave it there.

1103
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 2: Thank you all so very much for your time this morning.

1104
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one O four nine. It

1105
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: is the Week that was