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Speaker 1: Time for the week that was and joining us in

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Speaker 1: the studio this morning from the colp Marie Claire Boothby,

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Speaker 1: good morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, Good morning Katy, and to your listeners, We've got

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Speaker 2: from the Northern Territory News.

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Speaker 1: Cam Smith, Good morning to you, Cam morning, Katy, good

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Speaker 1: to have you on the show. And from the Labor Party,

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Speaker 1: well is the Minister for Business and various other portfolios.

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Speaker 1: Joel Bauden, Good morning to you, good morning, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for your time this morning. Everyone. Now, before we

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Speaker 1: get into the issues of the week, we know that

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Speaker 1: the story that has really captivated the Northern Territory and

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Speaker 1: indeed the whole of Australia and around the world is

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Speaker 1: the Outback wrangler Matt Wright, facing the Supreme Court of

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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory next month in relation to the chopper

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Speaker 1: crash that killed Chris Willow Wilson. We know that arriving

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Speaker 1: at the Darwin Local Court yesterday morning with his wife,

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Speaker 1: he was confronted by dozens of journalists and camera cruz

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Speaker 1: from across the country. Now, mister Wright was committed to

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Speaker 1: stand trial on one count of attempting to pervert the

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Speaker 1: course of justice, which was listed for Jane eighteen. His

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Speaker 1: other six charges were adjourned until June in the local court.

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Speaker 1: Now co accues Neil Mellon and Michael Burbich also face court.

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Speaker 1: Both pleaded guilty to destroying a mobile phone and preventing

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Speaker 1: it from being used as evidence, and there are other

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Speaker 1: charges were dropped. Now, we do indeed need to be

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Speaker 1: incredibly careful what we say in relation to this due

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Speaker 1: So look, I did just want to start the show

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Speaker 1: by keeping our listeners up to date with exactly what's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it is before the courts. The judicial process

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Speaker 4: It was interesting though, just to see former Senator Nigel

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Speaker 4: It was a very interesting to see Nigel involved and

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Speaker 4: you might just say he was carrying on a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It was. It's really interesting to see that and it

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Speaker 1: We've seen it in the past when some of the

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Speaker 1: major stories that have you know, have really put the

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it was interesting to see just just what

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the hustle and bustlele, he got caught up in it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's what happens.

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Speaker 4: Journalists are doing their job and former senators going and

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Speaker 1: Interesting interesting times. Indeed, well look let's move along because

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Speaker 1: there is so much to cover off on this morning.

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Speaker 1: And yesterday afternoon, after I'd finished the show for the AVA,

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Speaker 2: And Katie, it is absolutely horrific. When I read that letter,

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Speaker 2: I mean, even last night, Katie, talking about these decisions

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Speaker 2: I need to make sure that I go somewhere safe.

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Speaker 2: And I know that other Territorians think the same thing.

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Speaker 2: And this is now happening during the day. You know,

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Speaker 2: all of those incidents that you have just said is appalling.

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Speaker 2: And the problem we have is that the government keeps

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Speaker 2: But unless we change our system, which is completely broken.

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Speaker 2: We need there's legislation changes, there's changes in the way

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Speaker 5: And we know.

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Speaker 2: From just pure statistics how things are skyrocketing and every

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Speaker 5: We're in an emergency.

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Speaker 2: We can't afford to continue to have our territory and

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's at an absolute low point when you've

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Speaker 4: Rolled, and that is an absolute low point. CODI, You're right,

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Speaker 4: it's disgusting and it's outrageous. I actually personally know Poppy

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Speaker 4: In fact, we caught up just recently and we were

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Speaker 3: So it is just awful to hear that.

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Speaker 1: But Joel, what do you think though, then, about the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, those two under the age of criminal responsibility need

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Speaker 1: This is the thing, and this is where I think

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Speaker 1: If you've got elderly women that cannot go and have

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we have to address the immediate issue, right which

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Speaker 3: That is just absolutely outrageous and well.

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Speaker 1: It's not acting out, it's breaking the law. It is.

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Speaker 4: It's breaking the law, and so they're breaking the law

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Speaker 4: and they should be dealt with under the law. As

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Speaker 4: you said, those who are under the age of criminal

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Speaker 4: to be really, really tough on that type of sentencing.

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Speaker 4: That is not incarceration for someone who's under the age

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Speaker 3: We have to be tough and we have to work hard.

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Speaker 4: It's great that they were able to locate them and

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Speaker 4: then we have to deal with them in their appropriate manner.

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Speaker 1: So the problem now is that it's the way in

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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what those cabinet conversations must be like,

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Speaker 1: I think it's because and Joel, please correct me if

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not going to speak about ideology within the

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Speaker 3: To continue to work.

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Speaker 4: I understand that what I will commit to doing is

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Speaker 1: Well, look, Poppy is going to join us on the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, without going into the cabinet conversations, there are always

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Speaker 1: But like seriously, because you know, look, you've been on

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Speaker 4: Well, clearly, the one thing that I would go back

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Speaker 1: Cam You've lived here for a long time. I mean,

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Speaker 6: Not to this extent, Kadie. No. One of the incidents

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Speaker 2: So now that the laws have changed, Katie, and we

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Speaker 5: I mean, where is that data? I mean, the police

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Speaker 2: Show that anymore, and it's pushed to territory families. But

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Speaker 1: It's reached the point I think as well, where people

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Speaker 1: what you are elected to do, and they want to

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Speaker 1: see it happen quickly. Yeah, all right, We're going to

442
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Speaker 1: take a very short break. You are listening to Mix

443
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Speaker 1: one oh four nine's three sixty. It is the week

444
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Speaker 1: that was. If you've got something on your mind, feel

445
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Speaker 1: free to send us a message. There are a lot

446
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Speaker 1: of messages coming through on the text line this morning.

447
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Speaker 1: I will get to those throughout the morning. And just

448
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Speaker 1: a reminder that we are going to be speaking to

449
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Speaker 1: Poppy Politis just after ten o'clock this morning and hearing

450
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Speaker 1: more about that incident involving her mum. A lot of

451
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Speaker 1: you quite concerned about that on the text line. Now

452
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Speaker 1: we know that Alice Springs, as I touched on before,

453
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Speaker 1: it's gone through a very tough year. There is no

454
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Speaker 1: other way to put it. Throughout the week, more cars

455
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Speaker 1: were stolen. There was also a sexual assault in the

456
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Speaker 1: early hours of Monday morning. As of a little earlier

457
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Speaker 1: in the week, that person was still at large. We

458
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Speaker 1: do know that new programs over the summer holiday period,

459
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Speaker 1: it has been announced, are going to well. They're aimed

460
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Speaker 1: at keeping young people healthy and engaged and promoting a

461
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Speaker 1: community safety across Central Australia. So the federal government announcing

462
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Speaker 1: or going some way to providing some more clarity, I

463
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Speaker 1: guess you'd say on exactly how much and how that

464
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Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million dollars with the Plan for

465
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Speaker 1: a Better Safer Future for Central Australia is going to

466
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Speaker 1: be spent. So we are going to see a new targeted,

467
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Speaker 1: culturally led diversion program for up to fifty at risk

468
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Speaker 1: Aboriginal young people in Allie Springs over the coming months.

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Speaker 1: So for these kids identify fighters particularly at risk, there

470
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Speaker 1: is going to be a service tailored culturally lead activities

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Speaker 1: and interventions such as therapeutic camps and day trips. Look,

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Speaker 1: I think it's a step in the right direction. I'm

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Speaker 1: just not sure why it's only happening now, right at

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Speaker 1: the end of the year, and why we didn't try

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Speaker 1: and get something going a bit earlier.

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Speaker 4: And it's a good point, Katie, because I grew up

477
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Speaker 4: in al Springs and I know that when I was young,

478
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Speaker 4: we were active, we were engaged and therefore hopefully didn't

479
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Speaker 4: need diversion programs the Summer plan.

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Speaker 3: Brent Potter's been down there regularly.

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Speaker 4: I'm actually down in our Springs next week and then

482
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Speaker 4: i'll be down there over the Christmas period. We travel

483
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Speaker 4: down there and holiday with the in laws in our springs.

484
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Speaker 4: It's really important to have programs, to have something now

485
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Speaker 4: organized sports stops and school stops. So we need to

486
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Speaker 4: have an engagement strategy, and I think having the pool

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Speaker 4: open and being free to get in with lunch and

488
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Speaker 4: dinner available, food available is a good start. When I

489
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Speaker 4: was young, we sshed to go to the pool almost

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Speaker 4: every night after school. Mum needed to look after four

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Speaker 4: or five kids, and she's like, all right, take us

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Speaker 4: to the pool.

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Speaker 3: Well that's an option over this summer period.

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Speaker 4: Not forgetting that it can get to forty or forty

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Speaker 4: five degrees during the day in Al Springs over the

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Speaker 4: Christmas period.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think that's part of it. But again I

498
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Speaker 1: think a lot of people sort of questioning, you know,

499
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Speaker 1: why we are in a situation where kids are just

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Speaker 1: continuing to be out on the streets even throughout the

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Speaker 1: school year, so even at a time when you would

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Speaker 1: suspect that they are busy and when they do have

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Speaker 1: activities to be engaged in. As I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: throughout this week, Loan can, there's been quite a few

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Speaker 1: car theft incidents that I know. The NT News has

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Speaker 1: reported on that there's been, you know, one vehicle ramming

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Speaker 1: a security car and the police.

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Speaker 6: It's back to the future. It's where we wear in January.

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Speaker 3: It's sovious.

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Speaker 7: Climactic is to do with the weather, and it's to

511
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Speaker 7: do with behavior, and you know, the tough issues for

512
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Speaker 7: governments to deal with, but something's got to be done

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Speaker 7: in an environment like Alice Springs.

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Speaker 3: So Joel's putting forward these.

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Speaker 7: Measures that they're they're a start, there's something, but you know,

516
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Speaker 7: the government's focus is on a long term solution, you know,

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Speaker 7: a generational solution. I just not quite sure that's going

518
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Speaker 7: to be quick enough for the people that live in

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Speaker 7: the territory of them.

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Speaker 2: But also you mentioned that you know, it's a summer plan,

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Speaker 2: Like I agree with you, Kaddy. These horrific incidences that

522
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Speaker 2: have been happening, and a lot of them are happening

523
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Speaker 2: with young people, have been happening all year at a

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Speaker 2: time where they are at school and are going to sport.

525
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Speaker 2: And we also know that though a lot of the

526
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Speaker 2: children around the territory are actually not going to school.

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Speaker 3: So that's another issue.

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Speaker 2: Rates are appalling, and I mean Natasha Files will continue

529
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Speaker 2: to say if you're in school, you're not committing crimes.

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Speaker 2: We can't even get these kids to school and I

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Speaker 2: think it just goes back to those.

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Speaker 5: The programs that you talk about.

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Speaker 2: What are they are they only just being stood up

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Speaker 2: for summer because they, you know, could they've been there

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Speaker 2: all year. I mean Marian Scrimmas came out this week, Yeah,

536
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Speaker 2: and she basically said to the labor government, her own

537
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Speaker 2: colleagues that you need to step up because those programs

538
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Speaker 2: went in place before they changed the age of criminal

539
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Speaker 2: responsibility on the show. I mean that was changed twelve

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Speaker 2: months ago. Imagine twelve months of the right programs with

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Speaker 2: the government that focuses on victims and making sure that

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Speaker 2: they're safe rather than focusing on.

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Speaker 1: By Chancey Paig, the Attorney General, that they would all

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Speaker 1: be in place, that those programs would all be in place.

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Speaker 1: He had given us that commitment on this show. So

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Speaker 1: if that is not the case, why not.

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Speaker 4: Well, there's a large number of not for profits or

548
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Speaker 4: NGOs as we call them in Alice Springs who do

549
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Speaker 4: run a wide range of different programs and they're the

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Speaker 4: ones that we we know about.

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Speaker 3: In kids and adults utilize.

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Speaker 4: I think the Summer Plan, though even though it's called

553
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Speaker 4: the Summer Plan, is something that we need to implement

554
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Speaker 4: over the longer term, like in Alis during the middle

555
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Speaker 4: part of the year, it's freezing cold, right, so you've

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Speaker 4: got to adapt your program or your plan for that

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Speaker 4: period of time. I think people forget in the top

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Speaker 4: band that Alice can get below zero in the winter

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Speaker 4: time and it's above forty five in the summer time.

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Speaker 1: Look, I will say we have been told that Minister

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Speaker 1: for Territory Families Naiar kit and Minister for Police Brent

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Speaker 1: Potter are going to be holding a media event this

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Speaker 1: morning regarding the new Territory Families and Police corespond a

564
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Speaker 1: model to have child protection practitioners available at Alice Springs

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Speaker 1: Police station and a central safe place location in Palmerston. Look,

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Speaker 1: I think this is a good thing. I do think

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Speaker 1: that if we do have those Territory Families staff that

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Speaker 1: are able to respond, particularly when we're talking about some

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Speaker 1: of the youth crime that we've seen, and particularly when

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Speaker 1: you're talking about kids under the age of twelve, I

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Speaker 1: hope that this is something that does see some immediate impact.

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Speaker 3: Kid's been really strong on this.

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Speaker 4: She's coming to the Territory Famili's portfolio just recently, you know,

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Speaker 4: four or five weeks ago. She's been really strong and

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Speaker 4: not too still anyone's thunder. But they will be obviously

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Speaker 4: going out today and making further announcements along.

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Speaker 3: With Brent Potter.

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Speaker 4: They've got you've got two new ministers in new portfolios,

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Speaker 4: sorry new portfolios, one new minister on the other one.

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Speaker 4: But Brent and Naria kid clearly passionate and have been

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Speaker 4: empowered in their portfolios to make some change.

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Speaker 1: Are they going to be operational like twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: a day.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if it's twenty four hours a day.

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Speaker 4: Obviously the police are. I'm not one hundred percent sure

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Speaker 4: about the Territory Family's unit. But if we can stand

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Speaker 4: the Territory Family unit up as many hours as possible

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Speaker 4: during to day, because we know that it's not a

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Speaker 4: business hours model, right, It's not nine to five, it's

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Speaker 4: not eight to five or whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: It's it's in the evening, in the night and in

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Speaker 3: the morning.

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Speaker 7: It's a reflection just of the severity, in the seriousness

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Speaker 7: of what was going on in Alice in January. I've

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Speaker 7: just been told that ben Fordham's radiation pro Go on

596
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Speaker 7: two GB gives a ten thousand dollars prize for news

597
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Speaker 7: tip of the Year which Darren Clarks won't be right

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Speaker 7: to rating the profile of crime in Alice Springs, which

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Speaker 7: is a credit to his profile and his capacity to well.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what, Like whether people like him or not,

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Speaker 1: what he has done all throughout the year is he

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Speaker 1: has kept the spotlight on our springs and he's kept

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Speaker 1: the spotlight on the issues that are absolutely impacting Central

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Speaker 1: Australia and it's been a horrendous time for them and

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Speaker 1: for so many people that live there. You know, we

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Speaker 1: are talking long term territories. We've got some wonderful, wonderful

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Speaker 1: people right around the Northern Territory and do you know

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Speaker 1: what that is what keeps I think everybody a little

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Speaker 1: bit positive is that you have got great people who

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Speaker 1: do want this place to thrive and we've got to

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Speaker 1: get back to the way that we once were. This

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Speaker 1: stuff that we're seeing at the moment's just not good enough.

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Speaker 6: People like Darren Clark remember what it was like twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Years that's right, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't know what it was like twenty five

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Speaker 4: thirty years ago growing up in Ala Springs, and that's

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Speaker 4: why I'm in the position that I'm in. Courtesy of

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Speaker 4: the electorate of Johnston and the constituents there.

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Speaker 3: But because I want to contribute to the Northern territory.

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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to take a really quick break.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, I do want to talk about

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Speaker 1: the liquor store opening hours change and what it's going

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Speaker 1: to mean for some of those workers, and if we've

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Speaker 1: got a bit more clarity on exactly which locations are

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Speaker 1: going to be impacted. You're listening to Mix one O

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Speaker 1: four nine's three sixty. It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: What we do know today or well as of Monday,

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Speaker 1: we are going to see those opening hours, the operating

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Speaker 1: hours for our bottle shops change. So the government announced

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Speaker 1: last week the changes around alcohol and ten till twelve

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Speaker 1: is the hours that a number of those well sorry,

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Speaker 1: they're no longer going to operate open from ten. They're

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Speaker 1: going to open from twelve. For a number of takeaway

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Speaker 1: out let's across Darwin and Palmeston. We've just had clarity

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Speaker 1: that it is Darwin, Palmerston and Cooler Linger which are included.

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Speaker 1: As I understand it, Howard Springs just found out that

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Speaker 1: they are all so included. Humpty Doo and Wogash are

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Speaker 1: not included. As far as I understand, Joel, is that

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Speaker 1: your understanding as a Minister for Business.

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Speaker 3: So that's my current understanding, Codie.

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Speaker 4: It's loosely at this point time, so not one hundred

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Speaker 4: percent guaranteed, but out to the Artum Highway, so clearly

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Speaker 4: the Humby tavels on the other side of the Artam

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Speaker 4: how a Virginia tavern wa guys out and around. So

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Speaker 4: that's where we will clarify that and get back to

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Speaker 4: you with the absolute map. We're just betting that down

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Speaker 4: at the moment. But as you said, it's going from

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Speaker 4: a ten am opening to a twelve noon opening and

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Speaker 4: that's for a trial period over the next couple of months.

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Speaker 1: And so that's so just correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: Above the Arnhem.

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Speaker 5: Highlight, above the Itach. So Katie, today's Friday.

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Speaker 2: These bottle shops and retailers have Monday, they'll have this

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Speaker 2: new law. Some of them are not even sure yet

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Speaker 2: whether they're going to be opening at ten or twelve.

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Speaker 2: I mean that just shows that this government does not

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Speaker 2: understand how business operates and they're planning and their rosters.

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Speaker 5: I mean, a.

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Speaker 2: Worker who doesn't know where they're going to be starting

660
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Speaker 2: at ten or twelve. I mean, we've all heard the

661
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Speaker 2: examples of some people who've had to have their hours cut,

662
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Speaker 2: the ones that I don't know if they will or not.

663
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Speaker 2: I mean, how awful is that? And right before Christmas

664
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Speaker 2: if you lost ten hours a week from your income,

665
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Speaker 2: that is huge.

666
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Speaker 4: I appreciate the advice member for brandness a bit disingenuous.

667
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Speaker 4: I run a business for six years in Melbourne. I

668
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Speaker 4: know how to roster. I know how important it is

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Speaker 4: to give people the hours on a consistent basis. I

670
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 4: would hate for you to sit here and say that

671
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 4: I don't know how to run a business Friday. It's

672
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Speaker 4: a bit disingenuous two days, A bit disingenuous to say

673
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Speaker 4: that live on radio when I'm sitting here and I've

674
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Speaker 4: run a business in Melbourne in one of the busiest,

675
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Speaker 4: most competitive markets in Australia for cafe restaurants, for the

676
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 4: men I am standing up from. And that's what I'm

677
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Speaker 4: doing right now. And this is why we're going to

678
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Speaker 4: clarify it. And rosters can be altered.

679
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Speaker 3: You should. You should understand this right, Rosters.

680
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Speaker 4: Can we ago even though workers do need certainty and

681
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Speaker 4: I accept and respect that and workers have potentially lost

682
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Speaker 4: hours in this change. But to sit here it's a

683
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Speaker 4: bit disingenuous and mischievous to say that I don't understand

684
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Speaker 4: small business or business.

685
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Speaker 2: We went to the hospitality luncheon and then and didn't

686
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Speaker 2: say a word about what was going to be happening.

687
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Speaker 2: And then the very next day the surprise came.

688
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Speaker 3: Out by the Minister for Business.

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Speaker 5: You're also the Minister for Hospitality.

690
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Speaker 4: Minister for Businesses and Hospitality. I attended an event as

691
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Speaker 4: in vice.

692
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Speaker 5: Did you know about it?

693
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Speaker 3: The state? I stayed till dessert.

694
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Speaker 4: Now, there were a number of other coalp people who attended,

695
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Speaker 4: members of that seal, people who didn't even see dessert

696
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Speaker 4: because you come in, you get your photo, and then

697
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Speaker 4: you piss off.

698
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Speaker 5: Did you know about.

699
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Speaker 3: I had leaders and mine?

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Speaker 1: The fact is it's one thing whether you've had dessert,

701
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Speaker 1: But did you tell them that you're going to change

702
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Speaker 1: their bcauiness?

703
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Speaker 3: As is now public?

704
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Speaker 4: And I'm not only met with Alex Bruce and Paul

705
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Speaker 4: Palmer a couple of days or it might have been

706
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 4: a week prior to that event. In fact, I've met

707
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Speaker 4: with Alex Bruce twice since the announcement, and I accept

708
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Speaker 4: and respect their displeasure and their.

709
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Speaker 3: Opposal to this change.

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Speaker 4: I accept that, but we have to agree on some

711
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Speaker 4: things and then we're going to disagree with that. You've

712
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Speaker 4: sat here for the last forty five minute and tried

713
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Speaker 4: to accuse the government not doing anything and not having

714
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Speaker 4: a plan. It said, we're trying to do something in

715
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Speaker 4: the busiest period of time by changing the liquor hours,

716
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Speaker 4: and you know what, if it doesn't work after this trial,

717
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Speaker 4: then we're going to try something else. But it's disingenuous

718
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Speaker 4: by you men for friend to get here on your

719
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Speaker 4: high horse and have a crack at me about not

720
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Speaker 4: understanding small business because I do and I ran a

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Speaker 4: business in Melbourne for six years.

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Speaker 1: Well, then I suppose you'd understand the impact that it's

723
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Speaker 1: having those on those employees who were saying to us

724
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Speaker 1: earlier in the week that they don't know what their

725
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Speaker 1: hours are going to be, and the impact that it's

726
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Speaker 1: going to have on them. Now, Yes, the next month,

727
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Speaker 1: I guess for the next month it's going to like

728
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Speaker 1: it's an interesting time to trial things because it is

729
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Speaker 1: a very busy time and it will mean that a

730
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Speaker 1: lot like a lot of workers will have maybe extended

731
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Speaker 1: hours because it's that Christmas trading period, so they may

732
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Speaker 1: be getting double time on some days and things like that.

733
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Speaker 1: But how are you going to measure the success or

734
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Speaker 1: the failure of these reduced hours.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really good question.

736
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Speaker 4: And what we'll do will work closely with police, will

737
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Speaker 4: work closely with retailers to check things like volume, volume

738
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Speaker 4: of alcohol, police reports of any social behavior, arrests, the

739
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Speaker 4: type of arrests, and what the assaults are. There'll be

740
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Speaker 4: a whole range of data put into this. Again, it

741
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Speaker 4: is a small ish period of time, being a couple

742
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Speaker 4: of months over the Christmas New Year period.

743
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Speaker 3: I take your point. There will be penalty rates.

744
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Speaker 4: There is a number of different public holidays which hard

745
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: working individuals will put their family second or their social

746
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Speaker 4: life second, and they will go and work, and all

747
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Speaker 4: credit to them, and I accept again, as I said before,

748
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Speaker 4: someone might lose ten hours a week and that's not

749
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Speaker 4: great for someone.

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Speaker 3: During the Christmas period of time, there.

751
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Speaker 4: Will be a lot of data collected where will work

752
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Speaker 4: and work and continue working to try and alleviate the

753
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Speaker 4: issues we've been talking about today.

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Speaker 2: I think those people in Alice Springs will be watching

755
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Speaker 2: this space very closely. Because they will remember very well

756
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Speaker 2: when there was a trial, so an emergency power used

757
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Speaker 2: by the Chief Minister to reduce the bottle shop hours

758
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Speaker 2: in Alice Springs to reduce crime because of their police

759
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Speaker 2: resourcing issue. Of course, we know that since that time happened,

760
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Speaker 2: the alcohol sales are still on the rise, and so

761
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Speaker 2: are the alcohol related assaults. So is this trial going

762
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Speaker 2: to be just extended for another period? And I agree

763
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Speaker 2: with the question on what the data you're going to

764
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Speaker 2: be using, because there wasn't a lot coming out of

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Speaker 2: Ala Springs that looked like it was working. And then

766
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Speaker 2: is it just going to be a flash in the pan. Okay,

767
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Speaker 2: we're just going to do it for another eighteen months,

768
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Speaker 2: just like that did in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 5: That impacts everybody.

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Speaker 1: Look, you know, from a real punter perspective, like from

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Speaker 1: somebody who you know who's not a big drinker, I don't,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't do a lot of binge drinking

773
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Speaker 1: or anything like that. I might have a bottle of

774
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Speaker 1: wine every couple of weeks, you know, but I do

775
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Speaker 1: enjoy being able to go and purchase my bottle of

776
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Speaker 1: wine if I so choose, or I do enjoy going

777
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Speaker 1: and being up to have a few sangreeas with dinner.

778
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Speaker 1: But from what I can see, and I guess what

779
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: everybody around the territory can see, is we have got

780
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Speaker 1: all of these different measures in place and fair enough.

781
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Speaker 1: But you know, the BDR was meant to be able

782
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Speaker 1: to work to stop the problem drinking that we see.

783
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Speaker 1: The flaw price was meant to be able to stop

784
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Speaker 1: the problem drinking that we are seeing. You know, we've

785
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Speaker 1: had a number of initiatives implemented to try to stop

786
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Speaker 1: the issues that we're seeing, yet they continue on. And

787
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Speaker 1: I don't disagree with the Northern Territory government taking some

788
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: tough steps to try and make a change. I think

789
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Speaker 1: that that absolutely has to happen. But you know, once again,

790
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Speaker 1: you know, the big thing is is that you do

791
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Speaker 1: have to consult with people and you do have to

792
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: make sure that they're aware of what is going on

793
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: if it's going to be impacting their daily business.

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Speaker 7: The fact that the fact that the Chief Minister any

795
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 7: days earlier had made assurance as to hospitality NT that

796
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Speaker 7: there'd be no changes that would affect business operations days

797
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 7: before making an announcement which significantly changed business operations suggest

798
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Speaker 7: certainly that there isn't a.

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Speaker 6: Plan and you can.

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Speaker 7: Obviously you've got to try different things, and that's the

801
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 7: position we're at now, but we'd be really we need

802
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Speaker 7: to know what the outcomes are.

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Speaker 1: And how Yeah, and look that I think is a

804
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Speaker 1: really good point, cam like, we need to know what's

805
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: actually working even with the BDR, with the different measures

806
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: that we have got in place, you know, what measures

807
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: are we actually using to see that they are working?

808
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: And you know, let's have a bit of a different

809
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: think about it.

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00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 7: When the BDR was scrapped by the CLP in twenty twelve,

811
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Speaker 7: there was an instant reaction. Once the BDR went, there

812
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 7: was a response because nothing else was put in place.

813
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 7: But when the BDR operates for a long while, it

814
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 7: just seems to be it seems to be able to

815
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Speaker 7: be worked around by people that want to get alcohol.

816
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Speaker 4: And I think unfortunately the BDR gets looked at in

817
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 4: isolation like we have to do everything and it's totality

818
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,760
Speaker 4: with the palis with changing some hours. I mean, our springs,

819
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Speaker 4: as you know, have had significant changes to their operating

820
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 4: hours in Alice Springs. But we've got to do the

821
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 4: whole totality of the tactics and the options during this

822
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Speaker 4: period time and then review it.

823
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Speaker 3: And we have to continue to.

824
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Speaker 4: Plan act and then review, plan act and review because

825
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Speaker 4: as you said, it's not working as well as we want.

826
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Speaker 4: We want to change behavior, we want to improve the

827
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Speaker 4: community out of people's lives.

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Speaker 1: And look, while we are talking about this, I think

829
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Speaker 1: it's important to also take a look at the emergency

830
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Speaker 1: presentations in a report. I think that you'd covered earlier

831
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Speaker 1: in the week cam where we've got the Northern Territory

832
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Speaker 1: has now got the highest rate of emergency presentations in

833
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Speaker 1: the country and the number of people visiting the department

834
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Speaker 1: and the length and the time that they're waiting is

835
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Speaker 1: at a teen year high. So it was this starter

836
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Speaker 1: released by the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare showing

837
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Speaker 1: that there were more than one hundred and eighty one

838
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Speaker 1: thousand presentations in twenty twenty two to twenty three financial year,

839
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Speaker 1: up from one hundred and seventy one thousand the previous year.

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Speaker 1: We spoke quite extensively about this. Yeares today massive numbers,

841
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Speaker 1: aren't they?

842
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 7: They're enormous? And what impact is alcohol in all of that? Yeah,

843
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 7: I have to do with the stronger futures changes.

844
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a fair point, the one which I hadn't

845
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Speaker 1: sort of thought of whether that has seen that increase

846
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Speaker 1: in numbers or not. We did speak to the head

847
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Speaker 1: of the AMA, Kath Oh sorry, doctor Robert Parker. We

848
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Speaker 1: also spoke to Kath Hatcher from the Nursing and We're

849
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,760
Speaker 1: Free Federation yesterday. She said, right now in the Northern

850
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Speaker 1: Territory we are four hundred and twenty nurses full time

851
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: equivalent down. She said that it is worse than it

852
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: was during COVID exactly.

853
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Speaker 4: We met with the an MF and T recently about

854
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Speaker 4: that and Kath's presented those numbers, but also the changing

855
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 4: behavior of the workforce that there has been a transient

856
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 4: nature because of the need and the demand on different skills.

857
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 4: I'm seeing as the Skills Minister at the moment we're

858
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 4: trying to attract talent, but other jurisdictions are one paying

859
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 4: a bit more and two providing incentives on that side.

860
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Speaker 3: And so we are.

861
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Speaker 4: We're short on nurses, we're short on doctors, we're short

862
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 4: on chippies and concretors and plumbers and Sparky's. We've got

863
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 4: to do a little bit more in the skills area

864
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 4: to attract people to the NT and I.

865
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Speaker 2: Think when it comes to any of those skills, and

866
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Speaker 2: in particular this week, all the talk about the hospital

867
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Speaker 2: and what's going on there, it goes back to the

868
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Speaker 2: point that we have to make the territory attractive place

869
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: to want to come here and to stay here. I mean,

870
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Speaker 2: I've heard countless stories of people who come here to

871
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: work and then they just end up in being attacked

872
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: or just fear and going to the shops, all the

873
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: stuff we've already spoken about, just even today on this show, Katie,

874
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: and I think it goes back to the fact that

875
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Speaker 2: the government continued to focus on things like, as an example,

876
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: with the alcohol, the supply of the alcohol. So it's

877
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: always about how can we stop the supply, how can

878
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: we stop businesses from selling it, instead of focusing on

879
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 2: the demand that is needed for alcohol. If we were

880
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 2: to focus on those like chronic alcoholics, ones that do

881
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 2: cause misery to themselves and to plenty of others through

882
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 2: assaults or dv and all those horrific things that happen,

883
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: and also the ones that are in the families where

884
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: those kids do come out to the street, then we

885
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: can start to change things. This government is just hell

886
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 2: bent on focusing on all the wrong problems and prioritizing

887
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 2: I guess the wrong areas, which it just can't continue.

888
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,439
Speaker 2: I mean, they're just doubling down on everything they do.

889
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: Territorians can see through the spin that they're spinning. They

890
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: can see things aren't changing. They can see things are

891
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: getting worse. If we can't fix our social issues, we

892
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: can't attract people to the territory, then we can't keep

893
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: them here and we're just going to continue to spiral downwards.

894
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: And that's nobody wants that territory. I've lived here my

895
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: whole life, and this is not the territory I know.

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00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: We are going to have to take a very quick break.

897
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: If you're listening to Mix ONEOW four nine's three sixty

898
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: eighty is the week that was well, we are just

899
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: about ready to wrap up, but just on that discussion

900
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: that we're having a short time ago about the emergency

901
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: presentations to the hospitals across the Northern Territory. It was

902
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: a real hit this week when we learned that charles

903
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: Dale University wouldn't be getting the funding cam for the

904
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: medicine program that they were going to be delivering.

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00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 6: It was a devastating blow for the territory.

906
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 3: Katie.

907
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 7: It was not noteworthy that the Prime Minister made a

908
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 7: very generous offer around the voice, which may not have

909
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 7: delivered any outcomes, but was a nice gesture. He was

910
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 7: an absolute opportunity to do something for the Northern Territory

911
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 7: for a very disadvantaged cohort of people health wise, and

912
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 7: the places didn't come to the territory. They got two

913
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 7: point eight million to advance the case for a medical

914
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 7: school next time at C do you but it's a

915
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 7: very very disappointing decision for the Northern Territory.

916
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 4: And we need a medical school, we need we need medicine,

917
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 4: we need medical practitioners, and then we need to train

918
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 4: our own in the Northern Territory.

919
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: It seemed like a no brainer to me. One of

920
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: our listeners suggested, well, why don't we make Palmers and

921
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: Regional Hospital a full facility for for our for indigenous

922
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: health and look at training people there, look at bringing

923
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: people to the Northern Territory that focus on those issues

924
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: that we only see in the Northern Territory that are

925
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: really unique to us here. In the endt I thought

926
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: do you know what these are? The kind of ideas

927
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: we do need to have sometimes to listen to them. Now,

928
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: oh well, Joel hey, that's your portfolio.

929
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 3: My portfolio. Thanks coding.

930
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: Look we are going to have to wrap up. It

931
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: is after ten o'clock. We've got a little bit over

932
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 1: this morning. Always good to have you all in this studio.

933
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: Mary Claire Boothby, thanks so much for your time this morning.

934
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Speaker 5: Thank you, Katie.

935
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 2: And don't forget that a lot of venues are selling

936
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: Palmestan Lions Christmas cakes.

937
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 5: This in my office I am too and they are delicious, so.

938
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Speaker 1: Thank you for bringing one in for us all this morning.

939
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: Much appreciated. Cam Smith from the Northern Territory News, thank

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00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: you for your time today.

941
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 6: Great to be here, Katie Hey break to everyone.

942
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: Yeah you too, thank you. And Joel Bouten, the Minister

943
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: for Business, and various other portfolios. It's hard to know

944
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,479
Speaker 1: which one to say. Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Cody