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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me. Lola Berry, author, nutritionist,

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Speaker 1: and yoga teacher, join me as we get to know

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Speaker 1: these guests and learn about how their failures have ultimately

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Speaker 1: shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly Failing with Lola Berry. Hello, lols. Here,

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Speaker 1: quick little check in for everybody who's listening is probably

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Speaker 1: living in self isolation right now. Just want to send

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Speaker 1: you out some big love. I know I have some

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Speaker 1: days where I feel on top of it all and

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Speaker 1: pretty okay with it all, and then I have other

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Speaker 1: days where I feel like I've wasted a whole day

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Speaker 1: and get really guilty around that, And I just think

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like we've got to lean into this,

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Speaker 1: definitely letting go of control, but also the ebb and

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Speaker 1: flow of it all. And I think it's completely natural

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Speaker 1: to have some really good days and some days where

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Speaker 1: you might doubt yourself or worry or get a bit

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Speaker 1: anxious about how work's gonna look. So I just want

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Speaker 1: you to know you're not alone. I've definitely had those

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Speaker 1: days the goodies and they're not so goodies, And I

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Speaker 1: just want you to know ye completely not alone. And

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Speaker 1: on a really positive note, we have got an incredible

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Speaker 1: guest today. I completely fangirled over him. I was so

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Speaker 1: nervous at the start. I don't know if you'll be

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Speaker 1: able to tell. I'm pretty sure you will be able

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Speaker 1: to tell. His name is Max May. He's a wonderful

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Speaker 1: makeup artist and a hair artist as well. Actually hair

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Speaker 1: artist is that a word? I don't know, but it

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Speaker 1: is now that Max May he is, so I've taught completely.

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Speaker 1: He's really passionate about drawing and painting, and in fact,

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Speaker 1: he describes the face as like a canvas and it's

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Speaker 1: really interesting. I've been following him on Instagram for Yongks

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Speaker 1: and you see the way he uses his hands and

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Speaker 1: his fingers to kind of blend when he's doing makeup,

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Speaker 1: and it really does look like you're looking at an artist.

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Speaker 1: This guy travels the world with his work and he's

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Speaker 1: got a really awesome vibe about him. He's a Capricorn too,

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Speaker 1: so super earthy and grounded. I really hope you enjoy

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Speaker 1: this chat with Max May. I was, like I said,

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Speaker 1: fangirld and I'd been wanting to get him on the

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Speaker 1: pod for YONKS. So we recorded this in January in Sydney,

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Speaker 1: and thank you so much, Max May for jumping on

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Speaker 1: the pod. It was a total honor to have you.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy Guys, I'm so excited to have you here because

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Speaker 1: I have always been with a fangirl of the incredible

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Speaker 1: Max May. Now, I when did we first meet? Do

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Speaker 2: I mean, my first real memory of actually having a

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we.

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Speaker 2: Were in her hotel and I was getting her ready

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Speaker 1: Visit with like green coffees and green juice.

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Speaker 2: For it, and we just like had a really beautiful

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Speaker 3: And I remember.

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Speaker 2: What were we talking about. Yeah, we were just talking

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Speaker 2: about people and their generosity. And when you meet someone

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Speaker 2: that you just have this kind of amazing connection with,

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Speaker 2: it feels so real. But yet you don't really know them.

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Speaker 2: You just know them from off the Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 2: And they are what you expected because you were what

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Speaker 3: You were exactly like that person.

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Speaker 2: Like you know when you go to a concert and

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Speaker 2: it's like you've listened to that person on CD, but

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Speaker 2: and then you get the concert and you're like that

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Speaker 3: You're like, WHOA, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm in the CD.

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Speaker 3: It's like I'm in the record. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And we were kind of talking about that and how

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Speaker 3: Like that songs and happening.

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Speaker 2: Then I remember when you laughed. I was I.

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Speaker 3: Was like that checks real?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know? I still remember from that day,

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Speaker 1: So told me that as well after, But I was

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Speaker 1: I remember you said, I'll tell you where the best

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Speaker 3: It's a lucky it's total lucky. It's not like Melbourne.

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Speaker 1: So from that moment I kind of like fangirl over

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Speaker 1: you because i'd been following you on Insta for ages,

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Speaker 3: Yes. Really, I've had to go pretty much most of the.

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Speaker 2: I just really love like Australia, that Australian beauty, and

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Speaker 2: I've really built my career off that. So I really

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Speaker 2: It's funny what I've done with them by rather than

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Speaker 2: the internationals that come here. I mean obviously, yes, like

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Speaker 3: But I just think that everyday people.

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Speaker 2: They are the ones that I find that people really

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Speaker 1: And so from that moment that I started kind of

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Speaker 1: She goes, We're gonna get Max And I was like,

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Speaker 1: and so I remember that. I still remember that morning

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Speaker 1: getting up and being like, oh, I'm so scared. I

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Speaker 1: I was really nervous because and this is what I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited to explore with you. Yes, you are hair

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Speaker 1: looking at all the different articles, but then there's YouTube,

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Speaker 1: VID's everything, and then your ambassadors, your own ambassador for

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Speaker 1: all different kinds of products as well. So you're a

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Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I was so nervous. I don't know if you knew that.

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Speaker 3: I think you told me.

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Speaker 1: more like really excited to kind of like unpack about

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Speaker 1: how you talk about the Australian woman and the people

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Speaker 1: that you work with. For me, when I connect to someone,

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Speaker 1: it's a feeling I get around them, and I remember

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Speaker 1: being super nervous being in your presence, but then going

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Speaker 1: like within two seconds you were like sit down like you.

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Speaker 1: I was felt very comfortable. I felt very safe in

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Speaker 1: like I'm okay to be myself.

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Speaker 2: I think that this is not the first time I've

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Speaker 2: heard this. I hear this a lot, and it's not

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Speaker 2: I have been told this before that I do people

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Speaker 2: what I do as a make up artist, is that

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Speaker 2: connection that I have with people. Yeah, generally I will

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Speaker 2: choose who I work with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to take that as a compliment.

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Speaker 2: And I you know, I have a feeling for me.

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Speaker 3: My job is very emotive.

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Speaker 2: If I don't love the person and I'm not into it,

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Speaker 2: I can see that reflecting in my work. So as

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Speaker 2: on who I'm saying yes to work? Because if I

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Speaker 2: trusting what I'm doing, we can achieve think like different,

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Speaker 1: That's a testament to you, and I think as well,

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Speaker 1: there's another side of any kind of whether we make

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Speaker 1: And I bet you've had moments where you're like, well, like,

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Speaker 3: Has that happened totally? Yes? Always? Always.

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Speaker 2: I feel like my I feel like ninety percent of

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Speaker 1: You know, Oh, come on, because you are so You're

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Speaker 2: Someone hates you, don't it's not going to you're going

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Speaker 2: don't like them. And for me, it's the same. If

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Speaker 2: I love you and I really like you, and I'm

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Speaker 2: there's something bigger and better within my work and that's

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Speaker 2: generally where my relationships have formed built those you know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this. This is this is the way

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Speaker 1: fan should be doing business, don't you think so? My

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Speaker 1: question is like, with a bit of googling and researching,

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Speaker 1: you started off hair. Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: And then was it true you were like had this

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Speaker 2: I started cutting my friend's hair. And a lot of

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Speaker 2: them were models and you know whoever's but you know

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Speaker 2: they were obviously I was cutting. I was obviously doing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, started testing. I was assisting, so I was

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Speaker 2: So I think they saw something in me like that.

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Speaker 1: So literally every day it was just like, let's.

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Speaker 2: I would just start putting things on and if it

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Speaker 2: And it was like, oh, should I put cream in that?

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Speaker 1: It sounds like as well you come people. A lot

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Speaker 1: Isn't like you go to UNI, you finish a degree,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I think, but my question is, You've

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Speaker 1: got this. When we speak about essence, your essence is

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Speaker 1: just like this is me, I'm confident, and I think

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Speaker 2: Now none there's one hundred percent of self confidence though

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Speaker 2: that's yeah, that's bullshit. And as maybe as together as

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Speaker 2: generally they're the complete opposite. And they're using that as

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Speaker 2: I am very much like that. Like you said to me,

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Speaker 1: That random question. What's your star sign?

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Speaker 3: I'm a Capricorn?

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Speaker 1: Are you a Capricorn?

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Speaker 3: I'm a Capricorn.

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Speaker 1: I means it's your birthday? Has it been or soon?

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Speaker 2: My birthday is in a couple of weeks, it's on

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Speaker 2: the sixteenth.

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Speaker 1: I love Capricorns.

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Speaker 2: I was on my way here and I was sitting

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Speaker 3: Where is it you scroll on the GRAMD screenshot of

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Speaker 1: It a Capricorn?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: So Capricorns, for people listening, are an Earth sign. I'm

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Speaker 1: I love other Earth signs, but Capricorns are considered one

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Speaker 1: of the hardest working star signs.

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Speaker 2: My mum describes Capricorn's as up ship creek without a paddle,

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Speaker 3: We love it, but.

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Speaker 1: I think the Capricorns see it through like that will

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Speaker 3: We do it.

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Speaker 2: We will see it through and we'll do it the

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Speaker 2: hardest way because it's the right way, which is why

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Speaker 2: I just love that term so much.

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Speaker 3: Up creek without a paddle.

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Speaker 2: But on my way here, I saw this little quote

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Speaker 2: loved it. It's about Capricorn January mantra this is this

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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, yeah, I love this.

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Speaker 3: This is your year screensaver.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Few things that are I feel like I've been doing

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Speaker 2: When I saw that, I was just like, yeah, it

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Speaker 2: made it a little bit of truth there, I head.

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00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know whether it's going to be true.

443
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,199
Speaker 1: It will be, it will be.

444
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 3: I loved it.

445
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 1: My next question, so, I don't know where this fits

446
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 1: in your timeline exactly, but we spoke about it in

447
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: the past. You've done time living in Los Angeles as well,

448
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: Is that correct, La?

449
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: I have lived in New York, Paris, London, I've done

450
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:26,159
Speaker 2: work in Germany, Tokyo, Italy, just went.

451
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 3: To Israel I saw. I've worked around. I've been around.

452
00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,200
Speaker 1: But have you done time living in the States? Yes, Yeah,

453
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: how was that La?

454
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't leave that that long.

455
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I lasted six months, that's still solid.

456
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably the least I've been any of those places.

457
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: You're more New York.

458
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 2: I liked New York. Yes, Look, I really I really

459
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 2: love LA. I love the lifestyle there, you know, that

460
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 2: whole desert life. It's very me with the beach kind

461
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 2: of in. I think mentally I was not in the

462
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 2: right place to be there. It was it made me

463
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 2: feel a little ill. You know, that makes just with

464
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: the way people would relate to you. I just don't

465
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,719
Speaker 2: think that it was where I was. I was not

466
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 2: in the right place in my head to be there,

467
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 2: and I wasn't in a bad place.

468
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Speaker 3: I just it was not melting with me. And I

469
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 3: did good there.

470
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 2: I did some really great celebrity and that's what I

471
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 2: was there for, and I had a really great time.

472
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 2: And I still go back and do bits and bobs,

473
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 2: but it's not really, it's not It was not the

474
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:32,679
Speaker 2: place me.

475
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've heard a lot of people say say

476
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: that about I'll never say never.

477
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Speaker 3: I may go about, Oh, that's exciting.

478
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: And you've done all like a lot of international fashion weeks,

479
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Speaker 1: is that right?

480
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

481
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 2: So I mean for quite a few years there, I

482
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 2: would do it twice a year. I took some time

483
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: off and I recently started back up. A couple of

484
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: years ago, I had some family things did I really

485
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: wanted to be present for here, and and also career

486
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 2: things were kind of going on that I felt like

487
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: I needed to be here, like building my brand and whatnot.

488
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 2: But I am kind of back into doing the circuit now.

489
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: I'm just doing it once a year because I have

490
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 2: quite a lot of international clients and I go away

491
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 2: quite a lot through the year.

492
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Speaker 1: So I was talking to Matt, my boyfriend, is like,

493
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Speaker 1: ask him about Italy, because were you in Italy last year?

494
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in Italy at the end of last

495
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 3: year in September.

496
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Speaker 1: You were shooting right now.

497
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Speaker 2: I was over there working. Yes, So I went over

498
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: there for a few weeks working and I stayed on

499
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Speaker 2: and I did a little driving tour around an area

500
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Speaker 2: called Pullia.

501
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: That's where his mom's from, which was just.

502
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Speaker 3: Like mind blowing.

503
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Speaker 2: I've done a lot of Italy, and I mean when

504
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: I say a lot, I've done a majority of it.

505
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: I just had not done that heel of the boot

506
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: to Italy is the shape of the b I had

507
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,159
Speaker 2: not done that section. And to be completely honest with you,

508
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: it is different. I mean I feel like there's a

509
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 2: similarity through Italy around from top to botto, like even

510
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 2: when you go down to Sicily, but that heel, the architecture,

511
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 2: even though the language it's very different. And it really

512
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 2: kind of like took me by surprise. I mean I

513
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: went to some pretty amazing villages that were like these

514
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: little kind of rock huts, and then I went to

515
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: this cave city and it was just like so different.

516
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 2: It was like the little huts were kind of like

517
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: nearly Turkish. Yeah, they were called trolley's. And then I

518
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 2: went to this cave city, which was kind of like

519
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 2: Game of Thrown. It was like going back in time, right,

520
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 2: it was like going back in time. The city had

521
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 2: been close to two hundred years or something retired and

522
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: it not long opened up. So yeah, it was a

523
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: really awesome little adventure and really blew me out of

524
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: the water.

525
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 3: Caught me, by surprise a.

526
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Speaker 1: Lot of people when you speak to Italian people, because

527
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't an Italian boy. When you meet an Italian,

528
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 1: they were.

529
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 3: Like, oh where what?

530
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: Where is his family from? And on Christmas Day we

531
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: eat aditional pool ya like from because his family grow

532
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: up like in poverty, his mum's parents, and they eat

533
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: this like weird kind of like it's delicious. So it's

534
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: like this turkey and bread pudding as a main almost

535
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: like a turkey lasagna, but with bread instead of pasta.

536
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: And that is like from her local little village, and

537
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: that was like a peasant food.

538
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 3: Is the bread like a looking thing?

539
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: I think they get really upset when you call it

540
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 2: a They call it something else.

541
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, well, I only see the finished product,

542
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: but I break all my gluten rules that day. I'm like,

543
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: bring it on his mum's and Lucy, I'm like, bring

544
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: it on Lucy. So I want to before I dip

545
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: into like you quickly before we started mentioned like the

546
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: failiary lessoning kind of like and I love your ethos

547
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: around all of it. But has there been a moment

548
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: and this is a really like upper but has there

549
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: been a moment in your career where you're like, how

550
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: the F is this happening?

551
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:56,239
Speaker 3: Right?

552
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: Like that pinch yourself moment because looking at like your

553
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 1: history and all the things you've done, I'm like, that'd

554
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: be a moment for me. That'd be a moment that'd

555
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: be And I feel like there are so many You've

556
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: got so many highlights, But is there every in a

557
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: moment when you're on set and you're just like, hell

558
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: is this? Like you know, and like even like I'll

559
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: have little moments in my career and I'm like, oh

560
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: my god, Like, yes.

561
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 3: You work.

562
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: You're a cap on, and you work very hard to

563
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: get to where you are. I understand that, but you've

564
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: got to have my thoughts, Yeah you are.

565
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 3: I don't really think like that.

566
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah you don't. The dreaming, you're You're not a dreaming.

567
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 2: But when it comes to work, I mean I dream.

568
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: There are things that I really do dream about and

569
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: that I will be dreaming about, like my work or

570
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: like you know, like a love.

571
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 3: Moment or but it's not like that.

572
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: Work is very practical to me and very functional, and

573
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: I have steps in my mind. I in my head

574
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: am only as good as my last job. I don't

575
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 2: see things a hundred jobs back. I do have to

576
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 2: remind myself if I get a little kind of like

577
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: down in my head because that last job is not amazing,

578
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: that there have been amazing things that have happened throughout

579
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: my career and to try and.

580
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: Focus on them.

581
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: But ultimately me as a person, I focus on my

582
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: last job, and that is my gauge of who I am,

583
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 2: or where I sit or what my level is.

584
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: So would you say you're hard on yourself.

585
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: Phone, I am very hard on myself.

586
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

587
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: When you said that, I was like, WHOA, that's like

588
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: a hard worker. That's a very hard worker's mentality. It's

589
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: great and it's something to aspire to feel. But it's

590
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: also like everyone like, that's just equanimity. That's the ebbs

591
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: and flows of life. There are going to be the

592
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: odd jobs where you're like, well, I wish that went

593
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: a little bit better or and often things are out

594
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: of your hand, especially when if you're a makeup ys.

595
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: You've got talent, you've got producers, you've got the client,

596
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 1: you've got maybe a location and something is not on

597
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: time or something's missing or something like I imagine you're kind

598
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: of juggling a lot of things in the air that

599
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: some of the stuff is probably out of your control.

600
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: If something doesn't go totally to plan.

601
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 2: It is there's a lot out of a lot that

602
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: is out of my control.

603
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. It is.

604
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: But you know, like I don't my job. I don't

605
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: really have anything tangible at the end of the day.

606
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 2: I don't have a whole or I don't have a building.

607
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 2: I just have that feeling and maybe that picture or

608
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: maybe that connection like I had with you. You know,

609
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: we had this beautiful connection. I have that feeling. So

610
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: that's really all that is there for me, you know.

611
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: So I guess that is why it's you know, it

612
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 2: influences me so much and is how I kind of

613
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: see things.

614
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: I imagine the artists would speak very similarly though, because

615
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: there's not like, yeah, yes, there might be a piece

616
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: of art that's the tangible thing at the end of it,

617
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: but they're not necessarily doing it for that tangible thing.

618
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: It's there. There's an amazing free curfa called David Rastovich,

619
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: and he's like at the end of a wave, He's like,

620
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to hold on to. I don't

621
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: bring anything like.

622
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Speaker 3: Me like you bost yours off. Yeah, you watch your hair,

623
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 3: it's gone. He just flicks off the back of that way.

624
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so fa any and he said, but that

625
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: feeling of being to having the freedom to live that way,

626
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: he said, I want to live that way for as

627
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: long as I can, which is pretty It's a very

628
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: powerful and a very kind of like spiritually awakened way

629
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: to live if you think about it, because it's not

630
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: materialistic at all.

631
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: Very cool no, but also as well, you're constantly looking

632
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: for that, aren't you striving for that and driving towards that.

633
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: Well, that's your capricorn as well. It's like like like

634
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: I think you're the hardest working but super driven like

635
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: staff sign wise, So when you came in here, he

636
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: talked about this idea of like every day you rock

637
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: up onto a shoot or have a new gig or

638
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: you're looking after new talent, there's almost this feeling of

639
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: like like you think about when we go for a

640
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: job interview, or you're starting something for the first time

641
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: first day of work, you get that, and it's that

642
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: feeling of like I could fail, I could, I could

643
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: fuck this up, I could I could? You get that every.

644
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: Day every day is like starting a new job, like

645
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: you said, I don't really know what is going to happen.

646
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, there are clients that I work with

647
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: a lot, and there are models that I work with

648
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: a lot, and celebrities I work with a lot. But ultimately,

649
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: every day is like starting a new job. Are they

650
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: going to like me? You know? Am I going to

651
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: get on well with them? Am I going to be

652
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: able to read them and give them the right kind

653
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: of you know, side of myself back so that they

654
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: enjoy working with me?

655
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: So that is.

656
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: Definitely something that I deal with every single day. Can

657
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: I do the job? Am I going to see what

658
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: they're showing me and be able to interpret that?

659
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: Right? Are they going to like my interpretation?

660
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: So there's those those are going through my head every

661
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: single day, and I mean it's not a bad thing.

662
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: I think I do thrive on that.

663
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: I was about say, do you like that feeling?

664
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: But it still is there and it's still is something

665
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: that I am dealing with every day. And sometimes you know,

666
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: it does make you feel a little queasy in your tommy,

667
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: or you do feel a little nervous, or maybe a

668
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: beata sweat does run down the side of my temple.

669
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day. When I look

670
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: back at that, I kind of at that point get

671
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: a little kick out.

672
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: Of it totally.

673
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe not so much when it's happening, But I

674
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: also think that I am someone that is able to

675
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:28,959
Speaker 2: do that.

676
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: I do feel like that I.

677
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: Am quite in tune and I am quite fast with

678
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: getting in tune with people's personalities and what they want

679
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: to see out of me and what they like.

680
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: I do feel like that is a.

681
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: Talent of mine and I kind of like get a

682
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: kick out of that as well.

683
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it's intuition understanding human behavior. Yes, And I

684
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: think one thing I'm learning about you is like I've

685
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: always known you're super creative, Like I've been very aware

686
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: of that, but you've also got the smarts. So you

687
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: put creative and smarts together. You're almost like, although you

688
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: don't have something tangible to show at the end of

689
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: the day, you are quite a force to be reckoned

690
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: with because you've got a purpose. You're very clear on

691
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: that purpose, and you've got that kind of like it's

692
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: almost like you know what this is a yoga word,

693
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: you know what your dama is, you know what your

694
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: purpose is, you know what you and I know it's

695
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: a good combo to have that the strength of like,

696
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: because a lot of creatives will be creative but quite

697
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: whimsical and like we're just talking a bit dreamy and

698
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: a bit.

699
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 3: And that, yeah, put their art into place. Yeah.

700
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: Usually My mom told me when I was super when

701
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: I was super young, she was like, stick to what

702
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: you know, work out what you're good at, and stick

703
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: to it. And I know what I'm good. I know

704
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: that I'm good with personality. I know that I have

705
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: a very particular style which I've created, and I know

706
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: that I'm good at it. And within that kind of

707
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: you know, give it take a little bit, I stay

708
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: within that totally.

709
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: And this is where I want to see the and

710
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: explore how your strength almost takes on this whole new level.

711
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: And I used to watch you in that Being Lara

712
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: Bingal reality show and you I remember you were like

713
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: glaming her up in the back of a car or

714
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: a cab and like she'd be like, I just want

715
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: to lose five kilos and You're like, look, I've got

716
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: the glass in my hand right now, you know, Like

717
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: just do you remember all this?

718
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: Like I'm a makeup it's not a cousin there's no lungtime.

719
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: I in this black suit, sister so breathing, so amazing.

720
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: I still remember seeing I still remember that seeing that

721
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: and thinking, oh, and in that moment being a young

722
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: I was kind a young girl when I was watching,

723
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: because that'd be what two thousand, it'd be a while

724
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: ago now, that reality show.

725
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: Like seven lifetimes ago. Yeah, I'm not even sure. It

726
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: would be at least ten years ago totally.

727
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: And I remember watching it. Guy, I loved it because

728
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: I was like, I can relate to that feeling.

729
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: Oh, I just want that five kilos.

730
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: I remember relating to that thing, and then you kind

731
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: of like breaking the ice listen, going like we've got

732
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: to work with what we've got here, and it was

733
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: just but also.

734
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: Picking her up totally.

735
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: And that is my relationship with most of my clients,

736
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: Like I'm the closest person to them at that point,

737
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: and they're generally going through a lot of fear. There's

738
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 2: a lot of fear rattling through their head at the time,

739
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 2: because you know, like Larry in that situation, she would

740
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: be rolling out of the back of that car onto

741
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: a red carpet in and outfit and there would be

742
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: two hundred people there and then a million people behind

743
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: those cameras, and every single one of them have an

744
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: opinion and we'd be judging her. So they go through

745
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: a lot in their mind and you know, to get

746
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: themselves to be as confident to go out and do it.

747
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 2: So my big part of my job is, you know,

748
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: is to be instill confidence in them and tell them

749
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: that I believe in them, and tell them that I

750
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: think that they look really beautiful, and them having a

751
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 2: trust that I am telling the truth. I am very

752
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: truthful and a lot of people can't handle that I

753
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: do tell I do aim very direct, and.

754
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: I love that about it.

755
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: But it's like you will always know where you stand

756
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: with me, and and you know, nine out of ten times,

757
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: if I'm there, I believe in you, and I think

758
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: that what I'm saying is one hundred percent, you know.

759
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 3: And also as well, I.

760
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: Love beautiful, strong, powerful women and to watch to be

761
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: with a woman and to get her ready and to

762
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: see her in that vuneral period and then watch her

763
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: walk out there onter national TV or out in front

764
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: of a crowd and fucking own that shit.

765
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: Yeah so much. Yeah, it just it's I just love it.

766
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: You're like the MVP, the most important player in that

767
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: real like in the inn, but in the set, like

768
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: if you talk about that moment, like say you've got

769
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: a red carpet event, Like say Client X has got

770
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: a red carpet event. They're feeling anxious. It's a bit

771
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: of self doubt or they're worried about what those two

772
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: hundred people behind the cameras are going to write about them,

773
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: or say about them, or think about them. And you've

774
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: got this window of time right before when they're literally raw,

775
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: they've got no makeup on. You're going to be seeing

776
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: them the most vulnerable. And then you've got them and

777
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: although you're doing makeup like you're also like almost like

778
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: prepping their whole essence to go out onto that red carpet.

779
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: As opposed to such a fine balance, I am making

780
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 2: them look great and making them feel great about themselves.

781
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: I'm giving them confident in what they're seeing.

782
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: Yes, great, But I'm ultimately also like I'm giving them

783
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 2: what hopefully is what the energy that they want, whether

784
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 2: it's a really calm energy to bring their energy down

785
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: so that they can think clearly, so that they can

786
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: get their lines right, say what they need to say

787
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: or you know, do what they need to do, whatever

788
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: it may be, and then also like without distracting them

789
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: or being too much or annoying them. So yeah, it's

790
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 2: a really fine balance for me. And yeah, a lot

791
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 2: of clients will also, not only the girls will choose

792
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 2: me because of that, but a lot of clients will

793
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: as well because I'm able to, you know, make the

794
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: environment right for her to be the best that she can.

795
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 2: And I love that kind of balance, and I just

796
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 2: love seeing women in those positions. It's so cool and exhilarating,

797
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: and you know, people just don't realize like what has

798
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: happened before for them to get there, you know, and

799
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: to do what they did. Yeah, Like recently I did

800
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: Jackie Jo for the mask.

801
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: I was watching all your stuff on.

802
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: The on radio.

803
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: She's not in the forefront. It's not visually about her.

804
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 2: It's about the way that she thinks, and it's about

805
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: her voice. And I just adore her and I always

806
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: have I listen to the radio station. I'm like number

807
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: one fan of hers, and we worked on She's beautiful

808
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: and so yeah, she asked me to do it. I've

809
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: never really done a full TV show like that before

810
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: because I've never been able to commit. It was in

811
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 2: a really great time frame that I could work into,

812
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: and so I said yes, because I love her every

813
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: single day, Jackie, you let me do a completely and

814
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: utterly different These were books that she's never done before.

815
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: I mean, for a woman that doesn't do this every day,

816
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 2: that takes balls and her fashion. So it was just

817
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: not only her hair and makeup, it was her outfit

818
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: as well. It was a completely utter look and every

819
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: day we were coming up with a completely different looking style.

820
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: And to do that is so ballsy because most women

821
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: who even do that every day just want to stay

822
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: within the realm of their natural style because they don't

823
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: want to be thrown too much into criticism because can

824
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: go really wrong. So for me to work with someone

825
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: like Jackie, that was just like, okay, high ponytail today,

826
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: You're going to run gaffa tape around the top of

827
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: the ponytail, and we're going to put you in a

828
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: pink you know dress bla blah blah off the shoulder,

829
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 2: and I'm going to do a neon pink libya, and

830
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: I'm going to draw your eyebrows on at the end.

831
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 2: Because depending on how tight I get your hair up

832
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: and high will gauge on how how we do your

833
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: eyebrows because we don't need look too angry like most

834
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: people would freak out. It was just like take me

835
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: and she'd look at herself in the mirror and she

836
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 2: was so wow.

837
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: Like it was perfect for that show as well though,

838
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: because there was that kind of like freedom to take

839
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: it anyway you wanted to. I felt well done.

840
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 3: Ultimately, that takes guts, yeah.

841
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: But that also is to bring it back to you.

842
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: That is also a reflection of view because everyone's putting

843
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: their trust in you, not just Jackie, but also the stylist,

844
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: the team because you.

845
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: Would have been finded by that team.

846
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: Yeah hundred. So my question, my next question comes back to,

847
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: like you you have totally bridged this kind of like

848
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: step between Max the makeup artist to Max May. You're

849
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: a brand within yourself now and you're booked like you

850
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: were just direct as well. Like I know, even the

851
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: MITS is issued. I was like, can we get Max,

852
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, we're going to do it. Like

853
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: that's because you're known for you and for who you

854
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: are and yes, the feeling you give people, But I mean,

855
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: how do you go because like, are there any naysayers?

856
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: Like how do you go from Okay, I'm number five

857
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: on the call sheet and I'm doing rocking up at

858
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: this time, I'm doing hair and makeup and I'm getting

859
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: too We're gonna like maxis Well.

860
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 2: It went from being a macropodist, Yeah, being on a shoot,

861
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: being part of that team doing my job. Style was

862
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: doing their job, maybe the hair was doing their job.

863
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: Photographer taking the photographs, client giving us, you know, an

864
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: idea of how they want everything to look and to

865
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: come together. And then you know, going into a campaign

866
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: or kadlah blah blah blah to me kind of you know,

867
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: working as an educator, so working with different grounds, presenting

868
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: in front of beauty editor's talking about these new products

869
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: coming out.

870
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: Maybe you know also sent.

871
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: Me newed by Nature stuff too, It's so good totally.

872
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: And then you know, working with the brand, creating their

873
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: TVCs on how to apply or digital on how.

874
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 3: To apply and how to use product.

875
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: And then I started doing my blog, so I started

876
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 2: talking about what I was doing, talking about new products,

877
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: things that I loved, how I'd use them. Then that

878
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 2: kind of just took off and then started working with

879
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: the brands in developing products and trialing and testing them,

880
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: and that side of things, packaging, is it functional, how

881
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 2: does the product work? Does it last? I mean, these

882
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: were all things that kind of I mean, it sounds

883
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: like it happened super fast, but it didn't, and there

884
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: was no real road for me. I just knew that

885
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 2: I wanted to do more than go and stand on

886
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 2: a studio floor at the side of the paper roll,

887
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: watching the model work and looking at my makeup and

888
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 2: making sure it was right. I wanted to do more.

889
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 2: I felt like I could do more. I love products,

890
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: I love the education behind them. I love the thought

891
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: of the marketing and how they fit into what's happening

892
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: in fashion and what's happening, you know, on the pages

893
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 2: of a magazine.

894
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 3: There was more to.

895
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: It for me than that, but there was no No

896
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: one had really done that here, so there was no

897
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 2: one really for me to talk. I just knew that

898
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: I wanted to do it, and it was trial and error.

899
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 2: I started the blog, first, started working with brands, doing

900
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: an education writing about the products. Then I started building

901
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 2: and it was a bit of a momentum. I was

902
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: also working with a lot of different celebrities and fine

903
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 2: tuning their style. I mean I did it with Lara.

904
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 2: She went from a wag to being this fashion icon,

905
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: you know. So I started working with a lot of

906
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: other celebrities doing that. Then I started working with department

907
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 2: stores and Meca and David Jones, and it just kind

908
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: of ricocheted. But ultimately, there's not been really any path

909
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: for me, no kind of steps. This is how it's done.

910
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: There was not really anyone to tell me how to

911
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: do it. I just did it and I had to

912
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: go and not everything worked out. Maybe I didn't look

913
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: the best doing all of the things. Maybe a lot

914
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 2: of people didn't like what I was doing or didn't

915
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: like the result, But ultimately I was just trying so

916
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: that the second time it would come around.

917
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 3: If I got that opportunity second.

918
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: Time, you know, if it worked then, and most of

919
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: it did, that's when it kind of like took that

920
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: next step, do you know what I'm saying. So it

921
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: was very difficult. It was it was a lot of

922
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: noises in my head, like am I doing the right thing?

923
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 3: Should I be doing this?

924
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: Should I Is this going to ruin my opportunity of

925
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: just being a makeup artist and working until I'm sixty

926
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: like this could throw everything to the wind. And it

927
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: was a big digital movement as well. It was the

928
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: fashion industry was really fighting. They were not liking especially creatives,

929
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: because they were like, oh, suddenly now everyone's got an Instagram,

930
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: there a makeup artis are they're a photographer of this?

931
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: But I knew that it was going to be the future,

932
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: and I knew that I had to kind of grasp

933
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 2: that somehow get onto it as it was starting, but

934
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: still maintain myself fundamentally as just a makeup artist. So

935
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 2: it was a really hard line to It was a

936
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: really hard balance for me to, you know, do new

937
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: things over here and be this person, but still manage

938
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 2: that world that I'd come from, something that.

939
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: Didn't resent me.

940
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: How do you feel like? So I saw you recently

941
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: in Viron and you did an event like a makeup

942
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: tutorial with.

943
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 3: Al and Spell.

944
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so masterclass, a masterclass, but people were getting selfies

945
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: with you after and someone had the exact same tattoo

946
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 1: that you have and got it. So like that's kind

947
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: of that You're moving into that celebrity kind of space

948
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: of where people really look up to you and look

949
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: to you as kind of like a beacon of light

950
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: and guidance and things like that. How does it feel

951
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: when you're kind of like on that other side where

952
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: you're living more that you are the brand, you are

953
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: the celebrity.

954
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 2: I mean, girls that I've worked with over the years

955
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 2: have kind of given me insight into that, So that

956
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: has helped a lot. I mean, working with Laura and

957
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: seeing her go from just being that, you know, you know,

958
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: everyday girl into that super celebrity and watching her handling it,

959
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,479
Speaker 2: you know, Jodie and Jess and the ongoing and Cole

960
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: and the Cats and all these people ongoing, watching them

961
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: how they kind of like react to that and how

962
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: they deal with that has helped me a lot. But

963
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: it feels weird because I mean, ultimately I'm a makeup artist.

964
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: I'm meant to be behind the scenes. That is kind

965
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: of the era that I also come from as well.

966
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: So it's been a little strange. But I mean with

967
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: social media and this like celebrity craze thing that everybody

968
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: loves a celebrity, it has really put makeup artists and

969
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: hairstylists as a whole and brought us out into the forefront.

970
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: I mean, there are makeup artists out there that have

971
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: massive brands like Charlotte Tilbury and Pat McGrath, and they're

972
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: like super duper celebrities. They're like more famous than the

973
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: photographers and the models that they're working with, you know.

974
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: So it's quite extraordinary to come from an era where

975
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 2: you weren't you weren't seen, you were behind them, behind

976
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: the curtains, to becoming like super famous. I mean not

977
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: that I'm supervi, I mean.

978
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: There were people like that, like, oh my gosh.

979
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's weird, but it's kind of flattering. It's definitely,

980
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: it's definitely really flattering to walk into that environment, walking

981
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: that Cactus garden and just see seventy women that have

982
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: like you know, seen and on social media. And Ellen

983
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 2: and I organized that master class a week beforehand, so

984
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: that's three days before Christmas we're talking because it happened

985
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: on the fourth. We organized to hoist that master class

986
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: and the Charactus Garden at Spell with the girls at Spell,

987
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 2: and we filled that back room with nearly seventy women.

988
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,280
Speaker 2: All of our sponsors came onboard, We had a really

989
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: awesome gift bag, and to walk in and see all

990
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: those brands supporting us and just see all those beautiful

991
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: women and guys that are super interested in Ellen I

992
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 2: and what we're doing. It's like it's really humbling, and

993
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: it's really it's nice.

994
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing, and it's a testament to you, guys.

995
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: And one thing with you is like you and al

996
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,479
Speaker 1: are kind of like this amazing force together as well,

997
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: Like she pretty much only works with you, and she's

998
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 1: you're very much part of her whole look. Like she's

999
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: known for those like toussle that toussled hair and that

1000
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: really like sexy beach like effortless beach look. And that's

1001
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: like you've created that.

1002
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 3: Yes, well we created that together. Yeah, yeah, we we had.

1003
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: I met her actually while I was doing being Laara Bingle.

1004
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: I met her at the w hotel Laura's on the

1005
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 2: cover I think of like Cosmo or something, and Elle

1006
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 2: was there and she came up and introduced herself to

1007
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: Laura and then asked to meet me as well, and

1008
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: Laura brought me out and we chatted for a little while,

1009
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: and then a few weeks later she had an opportunity

1010
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: for a job that she says to me now that

1011
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: she thought was fit for me.

1012
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 3: Am I.

1013
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: And I came over to her house and she was like,

1014
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: she was like, you know, this is what you need

1015
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 2: to look on my fridge. I just need to tell

1016
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 2: you what's happening on my fridge, Like I'm not ashamed

1017
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: of it, but it's there. And I'm a super fan.

1018
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: And I was like what And walk into the kitchen

1019
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: and there's like just all these paparazzi photos of me

1020
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 2: and like in these strangest places, and then Lara and

1021
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: I and Jodie and I and me with all these

1022
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 2: different kind of girls or whatever, like and you know,

1023
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: magazines have done different style shops of me, and there

1024
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: was this whole fridge full of these clinics and I

1025
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I was like.

1026
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,959
Speaker 1: Wow, that's incredible.

1027
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 2: But I just really liked that vulnerability that she showed

1028
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 2: me and that she was not ashamed of that, and

1029
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be ashamed of that.

1030
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 3: And I just loved her style. And she's one of the.

1031
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: Most incredible humans You'll over in my head, I'll say

1032
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: it here and i'll say it right now. She is

1033
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,959
Speaker 2: literally one of the most incredible humans I have ever met.

1034
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: There is something so extraordinary about that woman, and I

1035
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: just adore that.

1036
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: I listened to a really cool podcast with her, and

1037
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: she talked about going to the Kim Cut she in

1038
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: an event and like getting herselfie with Chris Jenner or

1039
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: something like this, I waited in the bathroom or something

1040
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: really or walked back here. There was like some bit

1041
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: where she like just was like, I'm a super fan

1042
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: and I'm proud of it. Yes, and I love that.

1043
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 1: It's like only real, Yeah, you're owning all of that.

1044
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: And I've only worked with there on a few occasions,

1045
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: and I'm always like, you're a champ. She's such a champ,

1046
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: such a champ and doing so much my Like, I

1047
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: can't believe we're almost at the end. How crazy it's gone.

1048
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 3: Fast, right, it's gone very fast.

1049
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure you get asked this a lot, and I

1050
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: know you've done things in the past with products, but

1051
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: if you thought about your own range, like I imagine

1052
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: that that's a natural trajectory you just mentioned, Charlot.

1053
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 3: I have.

1054
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: I've done lots of collaborations with lots of brands, and

1055
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: I've worked on lots of product developments. Maybe it'll happen.

1056
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like it's a super saturated market.

1057
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 2: There's a lot of makeup out there doing it. I

1058
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: mean I had some really similar I had some really

1059
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: amazing ideas that you know that I are still in

1060
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 2: my bank right now of what I could do. But

1061
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: for me, I really love working with brands and with

1062
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 2: personalities and creating that and working with them and creating something.

1063
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: Never say never, I may come out with something, but

1064
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: right now, for me, what feels right is working with

1065
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: those brands and I want to pursue that and do

1066
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: more collaborations. I work very closely and have a sponsorship

1067
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 2: with new By Nature and Australian makeup brand Natural Cruelty Free.

1068
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 3: I love them.

1069
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: I love their ethos, I love everything that they do.

1070
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: I love the colors. I've been working with them for years,

1071
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: but the last year I've started working with them. I

1072
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: mean maybe I would like to, you know, bring out

1073
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: something with my name on it that's with them, because

1074
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 2: I love that brand so much.

1075
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: And the values match up.

1076
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.

1077
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: And there's some girls that are doing some awesome things

1078
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 2: that I think that I would like to kind of

1079
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 2: jump in on and work as the makeup artist and

1080
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 2: the personality style then come out with products. I think

1081
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: that is more the right thing for me right now

1082
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: and the smart thing and it just it just makes

1083
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 2: more sense to me than just to come out with

1084
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 2: a brand. It's not really about that for me. It's

1085
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: about that connection and that purpose and I think that's

1086
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: where I sit.

1087
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: And it sounds like again coming out with this intuition,

1088
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: you kind of go with this feels right for me

1089
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: right now, and you're not saying never to anything. It's like,

1090
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: this is what feels right for me right now, and

1091
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to explore that. There are so many like

1092
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: I'm like I do. I'm going to run out of time,

1093
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: and I've got to ask you a few more things

1094
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: on the lessons and failures kind of like concept, have

1095
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: you ever been on a shoot or a work gig

1096
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: where you're like, this doesn't fit, this is not feeling

1097
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: right today, Like whether it be there's somebody that's might

1098
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: not even be talent, but like I don't know if

1099
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: it's talent or someone producing it, and you're like, this

1100
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: person's a bit of a dick. I'm probably not going

1101
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: to work with them again. Have you had moments and

1102
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that you've verbalized it, but have you

1103
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: had moments where like, like I know, for me like

1104
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: I've in the past, I've worked with someone and they

1105
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: totally didn't pay me right and took me in for

1106
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: a ride, and I was like, we'll never work with

1107
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: that person again. And I don't necessarily kick up a fast,

1108
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: but I'll just make a mental check of like, because

1109
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: I think people when you're the master of your own ship,

1110
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: which is what you are, you're your own boss, you

1111
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: almost have to be able to navigate when you're getting

1112
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: taken advantage of Does that happen a bit or has

1113
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: it happened.

1114
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 2: Nothing's I mean yes to certain degrees. I mean there

1115
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: have been many jobs with people that I think, oh, yeah,

1116
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 2: I don't really get on well with you, or maybe

1117
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: there's clients with styles that doesn't necessarily gel with mine

1118
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 2: and I thought, oh, yeah, probably not the best person

1119
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: for this job, or you know, creatively or personality.

1120
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 3: Yeah one definitely. And I mean you can't control that

1121
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: totally totally.

1122
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 2: There's always going to be new clients and you're never

1123
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 2: really going to know, but yeah, you learn by that.

1124
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: I generally will when it comes around. I will be like,

1125
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: oh god, I could take that money so easily, or

1126
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 2: I could take that little bit of kind of peer

1127
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: publicity that I've aligned with them, But you know what,

1128
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: I'm not going to because I want to love what

1129
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 2: I do and I want to work walk away feeling great,

1130
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,240
Speaker 2: And like I said to you before, for me walking

1131
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,280
Speaker 2: away at the end of the day and feeling great

1132
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: about what I've done is is how I judge myself

1133
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: as an artist and as a business person.

1134
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 3: That is really the thing that gauges me on.

1135
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: So would you say you're comfortable saying no.

1136
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 3: Yes, very comfortable. I say no a lot.

1137
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 2: I have to management, but I have publicity pr management

1138
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: and look after my digital and I have a management

1139
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 2: look after my creative side of things.

1140
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 3: They know everything. They're like god if they know everything,

1141
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 3: but I think they know after may.

1142
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: Sometimes after a couple of goes, I will say then

1143
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 2: say yes, such a feelingnotiations, But most of the time

1144
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: they know everything.

1145
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: That's powerful though, and I think it's uh. It's that

1146
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: whole concept of marching to be your own drum, like

1147
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: you're your own boss, so you've got to have your

1148
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: own back.

1149
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 2: Yes, I just want to be happy, and I see

1150
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 2: so many people doing what I do that are not happy,

1151
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: and I don't want to become that I don't want

1152
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: to be bitter or I don't want to be angry.

1153
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 3: I don't want to I want.

1154
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: To wake up every day and love what I'm doing,

1155
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,879
Speaker 2: and I foresee being able to do that, saying by

1156
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: saying no.

1157
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 3: Articulate, I don't.

1158
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: Feel like that is that is the number one priority

1159
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 2: for me, totally my happiness.

1160
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: Speaking of happiness, right when we came in, you were like, oh,

1161
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: I don't really relationships is not something that I'm like, Oh,

1162
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: it's a pinnacle. I want it. The way you said,

1163
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: the way that relationships fit into your life, I think

1164
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: is really really cool, especially for people that are really

1165
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: working on their career and wanting to give that their all. Jimmer,

1166
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: what you said.

1167
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: About I love love and I love being in love,

1168
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: and everybody wants to be loved.

1169
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 3: But I love my life.

1170
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 2: I have a great life, probably the best best position

1171
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 2: in my life. I am happy with who I am

1172
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: as a person. I like who I am. I like

1173
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 2: my life, and I don't need anyone to make my

1174
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: life better. If they fit into my life and I

1175
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: fit into theirs, then so be it. Yeah, but I

1176
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 2: don't need someone to make my life better, So I'm

1177
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 2: not out there looking for love or looking for a relationship.

1178
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 3: But I think that's very powerful without saying cold.

1179
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 1: No, you don't sound cold at all. And obviously they've

1180
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: got a love Italian greyhounds, right.

1181
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: Yes, Well I have my dog exactly you believe it

1182
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: or not. He's a dog that can actually cut off,

1183
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: actually puts hiss around my neck and cuddles in.

1184
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 3: So you know, I've got that totally. And he's a

1185
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 3: pretty hard it's pretty stiff camp Frank.

1186
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 1: He's getting Matt, my boyfriend's like, is Frank coming.

1187
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 3: I really wanted to.

1188
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: Bring Frank, but I was shooting just around the corner,

1189
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 2: so I couldn't go home and get him.

1190
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: But I really wanted to bring him. Him and I

1191
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 3: can just hang out.

1192
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: I know he's he's the.

1193
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 3: St around. They kind of got the same building.

1194
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 1: Totally, one hundred pp.

1195
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 3: I need to have a look at that the way

1196
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: he walks to see if he's a little.

1197
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: Got a little struck. We'll find out. Last, lucky last

1198
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: question is and you've probably got projects that you can't

1199
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: talk about, but and you're already kind of doing exactly

1200
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 1: what you love now. And you have been the artist

1201
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: of your career and of your life. But you know

1202
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: what if we fast forward to like a couple of

1203
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: years from now with like, is anything, because because I feel.

1204
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 3: Like you're what would I like to achieve?

1205
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also you've been in this phase where you've really,

1206
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: like in the last few years, really built yourself as

1207
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: a brand and confidently honestly from a very vulnerable, real

1208
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: open space, like and that's why I think a testament

1209
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: to your success. So yeah, where like do you see

1210
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: that growing in a couple of years time? Like, what's

1211
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: the goal?

1212
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if I have exact goals.

1213
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 3: I don't.

1214
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: I don't specific goals right now. I love what I'm doing.

1215
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: I'd like to work with more brands in product development.

1216
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: I'd like to maybe come out with some products again

1217
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: that my name is kind of you know, on or

1218
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 2: attached with those brands.

1219
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 3: I would like to maybe turn all of.

1220
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: My work on my blog into something hardcovered. Oh that

1221
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: could be something cool, so like you know, through the

1222
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 2: through the the eras and over the last fifteen years

1223
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: and do like something cool like diary esque or something.

1224
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 2: And you're going to ask this question, So I was

1225
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: thinking about it on the way, But I mean, yeah,

1226
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm constantly, constantly growing and constantly doing things.

1227
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: I just would like the opportunity to keep doing that,

1228
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: to keep coming home at the end of the day

1229
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 2: and being happy and loving what I've done that day,

1230
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: just having great people around me.

1231
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 3: Great friends, and traveling. I love traveling.

1232
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 2: I want to keep doing more and more of that.

1233
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, there are a few things that I would

1234
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 2: like to do to grow with keep growing with the

1235
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: brands that I'm working with, and you know, maybe start

1236
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: developing something cool with them.

1237
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 1: And totally, yeah, you have this really innate ability where

1238
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: you kind of stay in your own lane, and yet

1239
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: you're in a market where you know there are makeup

1240
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: artists out there and there are people building brands out there,

1241
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: and you have this ability to just be you stay

1242
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: in your lane and you don't really get caught up

1243
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 1: in the drama ever. Really like you're just like, what's

1244
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: your advice? People listening? I promised a bit of last question.

1245
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 1: I know I said that about the but for people

1246
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: that are kind of like they've got a dream, they've

1247
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: got a goal or they're working on they may be

1248
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: a makeup artist, they may be who knows, like an

1249
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: influencer how do you not get caught up? Like, how

1250
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: do you stay in your own lane and not get

1251
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: caught up in the sound around you?

1252
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 3: Wow, I don't know, because I think you.

1253
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: Do that very well. However you do that.

1254
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: I think I do. Yeah, I definitely stay in my lane.

1255
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 2: I definitely stick to what I know and what I'm

1256
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: good at. I mean, I also am quite like opinionated

1257
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: and quite strong in my thoughts and my opinions. So

1258
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: I mean not always am I like keeping my nose clean.

1259
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 2: I mean to get myself into trouble, so maybe it's

1260
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: just not seen as much. I definitely don't get involved

1261
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 2: in things that I'm not Like, I don't go to

1262
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 2: events that I don't have a purpose for, Like if

1263
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: I don't work for that brand, or if I'm not

1264
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 2: like aligned with that brand, or it's not beauty related

1265
00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: or something to do with me.

1266
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 3: I don't go to anything.

1267
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 2: To go to anything to be seen, it has to

1268
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: be a client or I have to be working for them,

1269
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: or that's to be some sort of alignment there for me.

1270
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 3: So I think that kind of helps.

1271
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not really I don't really care whether

1272
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 2: I go or not either, Like it's generally more of

1273
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: a business, like a business reason that I'm there, so

1274
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm not hungry for it like that.

1275
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's massive though, the amount of people and

1276
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: influence in Melbourne. I see. No, that's perfect because if

1277
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: in Melbourne you'll go to an event and you'll see

1278
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: the exact same set of people at every event, and

1279
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 1: it's like, well, what's the purpose?

1280
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't get. Maybe they do have a purpose.

1281
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1282
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 2: I mean, for me, there's no if there's no reason

1283
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: for me to be there, there's no reason for me

1284
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: to be there. I'm better after, you know, like doing

1285
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: prepping for the next day, or like you know, working

1286
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 2: out what I'm going to do on don't big editorial

1287
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: I'm doing in a week or so, you know, if

1288
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 2: I'm doing like a tour with a celebrity, like working

1289
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 2: out my looks then going to an event and being

1290
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,480
Speaker 2: seen in a red carp or you know, going to

1291
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 2: a party and just to be a part of the

1292
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: in group or whatever. I just don't think I really

1293
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: have a drive for that. I mean, I am able

1294
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,919
Speaker 2: to really work in that environment, and I am able

1295
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 2: to do what I need to do in that environment.

1296
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 2: But I definitely don't have that, like I need to

1297
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 2: be there, you know, so I don't really know how

1298
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: to answer that question. I just think that, like, you

1299
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: just got to be who you are and be real

1300
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 2: and don't get caught up and what anyone else is

1301
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: doing and what other people are saying, because it's never

1302
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: going to work for you. Just work out who you are,

1303
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: what makes you happy, and where you want to be

1304
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 2: and just try and a picture in your head the

1305
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 2: breakdown of how or.

1306
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 3: The steps of how it's to.

1307
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: Get you to that point and where what you need

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Speaker 2: to touch and do and say to get to there,

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Speaker 2: and just try and stay to that.

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Speaker 3: And today's true to who you are.

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Speaker 2: Don't let anyone change that because that will screw I

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Speaker 2: love it.

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Speaker 1: You've totally there's wise advice from Maximae the Capricorn practical

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Speaker 1: straight No, It's amazing. Thank you so much. Been honored

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Speaker 1: to have you here. I've totally fangirled as well, which

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Speaker 1: I knew I would. But I'm wrapped because you've been

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Speaker 1: on my like to do. We've been trying to do

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Speaker 1: this for a few months, so.

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Speaker 3: I've been looking forward to this. This has been great.

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Speaker 2: I love listening to your pods. I love listening to

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Speaker 2: you talk. I'm such a great fan of your work. Ah,

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Speaker 2: I mean even my mom has your cookbooks. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: also a huge fan. So it's an honor or two

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Speaker 2: to come here and to chat to you and for

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Speaker 2: you to be interested in what I'm doing. So it's

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Speaker 2: also really like cool to see you doing such awesome,

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Speaker 2: amazing things like how many books do you have now?

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Speaker 2: Like podcasts and you're own TV shows, radio shows, like

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Speaker 2: it's extraordinary.

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Speaker 3: You're an inspiration.

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Speaker 1: You are, But thank you.

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Speaker 3: Very inspiring for me.

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Speaker 1: And also, Babe, just hang out with me all the time. Please,

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Speaker 1: thank you so so much. Everybody here. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: put links in all the show notes for everything to

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Speaker 1: do with Max and so he'll be you can learn

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Speaker 1: everything you want to learn. The blog is unreal. I've

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Speaker 1: learned so much from it, and thank you. Thank you

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Speaker 1: keep doing what you're doing, Big Glove. That's a wrap

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Speaker 1: on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always, thank you

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Speaker 1: to our guests, and let's continue the conversation on Instagram.

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